Zone1 The Greater Sin

[hadit]

Because they place themselves higher than the Church, higher than the Pope. Who else are they above?

We are all equal at the foot of the cross. Yes, even the Pope.

 

[ding]

No papers being checked, just two women who know each other well, one Catholic the other Anabaptist. The Catholic told the Anabaptist she could not take communion during mass. That is the problem.

Why is following rules a problem? Did she have a problem with following rules?

 

[hadit]

Why is following rules a problem? Did she have a problem with following rules?

Why the "rules" that arbitrarily exclude believers in the first place? This is one reason why Catholics are accused of being exclusionary, of considering themselves superior to other believers. "I know Jesus put no restrictions on celebrating communion, but we're special so we set up rules to keep you guys out".

And no, she had no problem with arbitrary, exclusionary rules. She left the service, went to her car and hasn't gone to Catholic service since. And why should she when she is clearly not wanted?

 

[Meriweather]

You don't know? I would think you would more readily be aware of that than I.

Of course I know. I was wondering if you were aware of this.

One priest. Do you know his name?

 

[hadit]

Of course I know. I was wondering if you were aware of this.

One priest. Do you know his name?

According to Peter, we are all a royal priesthood. Why do Catholics reject that and say only certain people can be priests? Jesus Christ is the great High Priest.

 

[Meriweather]

We do not have special requirements before we join with fellow believers in remembrance of Christ. All He said was to eat and drink in remembrance of Him. All fellow believers are welcome. Why are Catholics being restrictive and exclusionary?

And what if someone who does not believe in Christ, in fact has contempt of Christ and his Last Supper, joins you and demands communion?

 

[hadit]

And what if someone who does not believe in Christ, in fact has contempt of Christ and his Last Supper, joins you and demands communion?

Did you miss this phrase?

"All fellow believers"

Please don't be ridiculous in your argument.

 

[Meriweather]

We are all equal at the foot of the cross. Yes, even the Pope.

You avoided the question. I have no doubt the Pope is at the foot of the cross. I am asking you who else your wife and friend believe they are above? They believe they should not have to follow the beliefs, customs, prayers, and practices of the Catholic faith; that they should be allowed to come in and do things their own way. That's some level of pride, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Meriweather]

Why the "rules" that arbitrarily exclude believers in the first place? This is one reason why Catholics are accused of being exclusionary, of considering themselves superior to other believers. "I know Jesus put no restrictions on celebrating communion, but we're special so we set up rules to keep you guys out".

And no, she had no problem with arbitrary, exclusionary rules. She left the service, went to her car and hasn't gone to Catholic service since. And why should she when she is clearly not wanted?

All are welcome. Again, that level of pride that she is the judge of an entire Church.

 

[hadit]

You avoided the question. I have no doubt the Pope is at the foot of the cross. I am asking you who else your wife and friend believe they are above? They believe they should not have to follow the beliefs, customs, prayers, and practices of the Catholic faith; that they should be allowed to come in and do things their own way. That's some level of pride, wouldn't you agree?

No, she respected the wishes of the Catholic woman who sought to exclude her and left the service. She was heartbroken because all she wanted to do was celebrate communion with her friend and the Lord, but the Catholic woman put her traditions and rules above unity in the Body of Christ. Pride would have been demanding to be included.

 

[Meriweather]

According to Peter, we are all a royal priesthood. Why do Catholics reject that and say only certain people can be priests? Jesus Christ is the great High Priest.

You finally realized the answer. The Catholic Church has one priest, Jesus Christ. All others, the special priesthood, and we the baptized priests, all serve him, our Priest, in various ways.

 

[hadit]

All are welcome. Again, that level of pride that she is the judge of an entire Church.

Wrong, again. The Catholic woman put her rules and traditions above unity in the Body of Christ. Obviously, all are NOT welcome. How can you claim that when my wife clearly was not? My wife judged no one, and left the service so as not to cause a commotion or interrupt. She respected her friend's wishes, but that did nothing to prevent her from sadness that the church rejected her.

 

[Meriweather]

No, she respected the wishes of the Catholic woman who sought to exclude her and left the service. She was heartbroken because all she wanted to do was celebrate communion with her friend and the Lord, but the Catholic woman put her traditions and rules above unity in the Body of Christ. Pride would have been demanding to be included.

Those were not the wishes of the Catholic woman who, in fact, did not exclude her any more than any Catholic that day who did not receive communion. The woman who left put herself above all else. I doubt she was heartbroken had she been participating in the rest of the Mass. Had she been participating in the rest of the Mass she would have been joyful. That woman put herself above all others and expected all others to bow down to her wishes.

 

[hadit]

You finally realized the answer. The Catholic Church has one priest, Jesus Christ. All others, the special priesthood, and we the baptized priests, all serve him, our Priest, in various ways.

You're talking around what Peter said. We are a royal priesthood. That's all of the believers, the entire Body of Christ. Answer this, are YOU a priest? If you're a believer, Peter says you are.

 

[hadit]

Those were not the wishes of the Catholic woman who, in fact, did not exclude her any more than any Catholic that day who did not receive communion. The woman who left put herself above all else. I doubt she was heartbroken had she been participating in the rest of the Mass. Had she been participating in the rest of the Mass she would have been joyful. That woman put herself above all others and expected all others to bow down to her wishes.

That's the most ridiculous interpretation possible. You know that, right? Have you ever been rejected by those you consider to be your fellow believers? If you do, are you putting yourself above them?

That's preposterous and so far beneath a person who claims to be of faith I can hardly comprehend it.

What part of, "she left the service to respect the wishes of the Catholic woman and to mourn in private" is hard for you to grasp?

 

[Meriweather]

Wrong, again. The Catholic woman put her rules and traditions above unity in the Body of Christ. Obviously, all are NOT welcome. How can you claim that when my wife clearly was not? My wife judged no one, and left the service so as not to cause a commotion or interrupt. She respected her friend's wishes, but that did nothing to prevent her from sadness that the church rejected her.

Of course they are welcome. You are the one declaring them unwelcome, whereas I, a Catholic, assure they are very much welcome.

How would your wife disrupt a Mass by returning to her pew? Are you aware that all who do not partake of the Eucharist often go to the altar during communion to receive the blessing? Here is another question for you. As a child, we often visited Reservation of Native Americans. Some had areas, sacred to them, that were off limits to visitors. Would you and your wife feel entitled to walk through these areas despite the fact you do not follow their beliefs, customs, traditions?

 

[Meriweather]

You're talking around what Peter said. We are a royal priesthood. That's all of the believers, the entire Body of Christ. Answer this, are YOU a priest? If you're a believer, Peter says you are.

I became a priest at my baptism. I was about 52 days old at the time. So other than the first fifty or so days of my life, I have been a priest.

 

[Meriweather]

That's the most ridiculous interpretation possible. You know that, right? Have you ever been rejected by those you consider to be your fellow believers? If you do, are you putting yourself above them?

That's preposterous and so far beneath a person who claims to be of faith I can hardly comprehend it.

What part of, "she left the service to respect the wishes of the Catholic woman and to mourn in private" is hard for you to grasp?

The fact you think it is ridiculous says it all! Your wife steps into a place holy to many and wants things her way, even though she holds no belief in the Catholic faith. She wants to tell Catholics how to believe and to bow down to her and her beliefs. That woman was mourning her hurt pride, nothing more, nothing less. The fact that she left Mass "mourning" tells the entire story. It means she was not there to participate in the Mass and did not participate in the Mass. Pride goes before a fall, and that "mourning" was the fall.

 

[hadit]

Of course they are welcome. You are the one declaring them unwelcome, whereas I, a Catholic, assure they are very much welcome.

How would your wife disrupt a Mass by returning to her pew? Are you aware that all who do not partake of the Eucharist often go to the altar during communion to receive the blessing? Here is another question for you. As a child, we often visited Reservation of Native Americans. Some had areas, sacred to them, that were off limits to visitors. Would you and your wife feel entitled to walk through these areas despite the fact you do not follow their beliefs, customs, traditions?

She was heartbroken and didn't want to disrupt anyone else's worship with her sorrow. And you are again missing the entire point to satisfy your narrative.

1. Jesus put no restrictions on communion, just telling His disciples to do it in remembrance of Him. You did that.
2. Why do you compare communion, something the Lord set up as a COMMUNAL act of worship, to sacred Native American areas that are OFF LIMITS to visitors? Communion is supposed to be open to ALL believers, it is one thing that should unite, NOT separate us.

 

[hadit]

The fact you think it is ridiculous says it all! Your wife steps into a place holy to many and wants things her way, even though she holds no belief in the Catholic faith.

BS. The fact that you cannot allow a non-Catholic to celebrate a sacrament that is meant to UNITE us is why you stand accused of being exclusionary and believing you are superior.

She wants to tell Catholics how to believe and to bow down to her and her beliefs.

BS. She wanted to be in unity with her Catholic friends during a special moment that the Lord gave us to remember Him. The Catholics prefer their rules and regulations to being in unity with other believers in remembering Him. And then you wonder why you are accused of thinking you are superior to other believers.

That woman was mourning her hurt pride, nothing more, nothing less. The fact that she left Mass "mourning" tells the entire story. It means she was not there to participate in the Mass and did not participate in the Mass. Pride goes before a fall, and that "mourning" was the fall.

That is total BS and unworthy of someone who claims to be of faith. Do better to represent Christ, not yourself or your denomination. That is your downfall, that you put your denomination above the Body.