The greater good trumps the desires of an individual

That should be the model of American politics.

I see you know nothing of foundational American thought.

Look at his profile titles: “Pro-Government Progressive”

Obviously, someone who sees government as the vehicle to achieve “the greater good”; with individuals as having no higher role than as servants to that government, to be used as government deems appropriate to achieve this “higher good”.

He may very well, indeed, “…know nothing of foundational American thought”; more likely, he knows it and does not agree with it.
The greater good can not be achieved without government.

Every dictator would agree with you.
Except that dictators only push policies that benefit them. In our society, murder, theft, rape etc are illegal for a reason. Personal desires that harm others. My reasoning is no different from that.

Not true at all. Dictators are often great benefactors of the people. Caesar was a dictator, and under his rule Rome thrived. The same goes for Agusto Pinochet.

The majority often pushes policies that are harmful to large segments of the population. Democracy is no more benevolent or beneficent than a dictator.
 
I see you know nothing of foundational American thought.

Look at his profile titles: “Pro-Government Progressive”

Obviously, someone who sees government as the vehicle to achieve “the greater good”; with individuals as having no higher role than as servants to that government, to be used as government deems appropriate to achieve this “higher good”.

He may very well, indeed, “…know nothing of foundational American thought”; more likely, he knows it and does not agree with it.
The greater good can not be achieved without government.

Every dictator would agree with you.
Except that dictators only push policies that benefit them. In our society, murder, theft, rape etc are illegal for a reason. Personal desires that harm others. My reasoning is no different from that.

Not true at all. Dictators are often great benefactors of the people. Caesar was a dictator, and under his rule Rome thrived. The same goes for Agusto Pinochet.

The majority often pushes policies that are harmful to large segments of the population. Democracy is no more benevolent or beneficent than a dictator.
Democracy is usually much worse, which is why we are a Democratic Republic in the which, when founded, the pitchforks didn't have a vote.
 
Look at his profile titles: “Pro-Government Progressive”

Obviously, someone who sees government as the vehicle to achieve “the greater good”; with individuals as having no higher role than as servants to that government, to be used as government deems appropriate to achieve this “higher good”.

He may very well, indeed, “…know nothing of foundational American thought”; more likely, he knows it and does not agree with it.
The greater good can not be achieved without government.

Every dictator would agree with you.
Except that dictators only push policies that benefit them. In our society, murder, theft, rape etc are illegal for a reason. Personal desires that harm others. My reasoning is no different from that.

Not true at all. Dictators are often great benefactors of the people. Caesar was a dictator, and under his rule Rome thrived. The same goes for Agusto Pinochet.

The majority often pushes policies that are harmful to large segments of the population. Democracy is no more benevolent or beneficent than a dictator.
Democracy is usually much worse, which is why we are a Democratic Republic in the which, when founded, the pitchforks didn't have a vote.

We have devolved into a pure democracy. The republic went away when the 14th and 17th Amendments were passed.
 
That should be the model of American politics.

That being said, I am all for any personal freedom that does not harm the greater good.
I agree. Individualism is a threat to society. Oh and National Socialism,Fascism pretty much any kind of ideology that puts the good of the society before the selfishness of the individual. I agree 100%. The race comes before all else.
 
That should be the model of American politics.

That being said, I am all for any personal freedom that does not harm the greater good.
So you like the swinging rake theory?



You surely must realize that several people in the USA would like to put us back on 16 hours shifts at half the pay...
 
That should be the model of American politics.

That being said, I am all for any personal freedom that does not harm the greater good.

And how do we decide what constitutes the greater good?
The chosen leader decides. Adolph Hitler for example had the best intentions for HIS PEOPLE and dedicated his entire life to it. Instead of this democracy crap where any asshole can vote or run for president there needs to be a leadership principle installed and the best applicants chosen and educated even more and a council picked by the people would then pick the next leader.
 
That should be the model of American politics.

That being said, I am all for any personal freedom that does not harm the greater good.
So you like the swinging rake theory?



You surely must realize that several people in the USA would like to put us back on 16 hours shifts at half the pay...

Leave Rupert Murdoch and Karl Rove out of this.
 
That should be the model of American politics.

That being said, I am all for any personal freedom that does not harm the greater good.
So you like the swinging rake theory?



You surely must realize that several people in the USA would like to put us back on 16 hours shifts at half the pay...

Leave Rupert Murdoch and Karl Rove out of this.
I am a capitalist slave to Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway.....They hold my mortgage loan..
 
That should be the model of American politics.

That being said, I am all for any personal freedom that does not harm the greater good.
So you like the swinging rake theory?



You surely must realize that several people in the USA would like to put us back on 16 hours shifts at half the pay...

Leave Rupert Murdoch and Karl Rove out of this.
I am a capitalist slave to Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway.....They hold my mortgage loan..
You are the FIRST person I have ever heard of that has a mortgage with the man responsible for the 2008 Crash.
 
That should be the model of American politics.

That being said, I am all for any personal freedom that does not harm the greater good.
So you like the swinging rake theory?



You surely must realize that several people in the USA would like to put us back on 16 hours shifts at half the pay...

Leave Rupert Murdoch and Karl Rove out of this.
I am a capitalist slave to Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway.....They hold my mortgage loan..
You are the FIRST person I have ever heard of that has a mortgage with the man responsible for the 2008 Crash.
Well it was the best deal...and money, oops, debt is debt...
 
That should be the model of American politics.

That being said, I am all for any personal freedom that does not harm the greater good.

And how do we decide what constitutes the greater good?
The chosen leader decides. Adolph Hitler for example had the best intentions for HIS PEOPLE and dedicated his entire life to it. Instead of this democracy crap where any asshole can vote or run for president there needs to be a leadership principle installed and the best applicants chosen and educated even more and a council picked by the people would then pick the next leader.

You are well-named.
 
That should be the model of American politics.

That being said, I am all for any personal freedom that does not harm the greater good.

And how do we decide what constitutes the greater good?
The chosen leader decides. Adolph Hitler for example had the best intentions for HIS PEOPLE and dedicated his entire life to it. Instead of this democracy crap where any asshole can vote or run for president there needs to be a leadership principle installed and the best applicants chosen and educated even more and a council picked by the people would then pick the next leader.

You are well-named.
I know I am. :)
 

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