The Geography Of WWIII

[PoliticalChic]

"Philippines' Duterte warns over South China Sea 'flashpoint'

Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte voiced rare frustration with China Friday, urging progress on a code of conduct for the contested South China Sea, which he warned was becoming a "flashpoint".

Duterte was delivering a speech at an economic forum in Tokyo, but veered off script with remarks about the resource-rich sea, over most of which China claims sovereignty despite competing claims from the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei, Taiwan and Vietnam.

Beijing and the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) have for years tried to hammer out a code of conduct to govern the disputed waters, but the process has been slow.

....an international maritime tribunal ruled early in Duterte's presidency that China's claims to the area have no legal basis."

Why is any of this our problem.

The Filipinos threw us out... probably because they were upset we were stealing all their hot chicks...

The Chinese have a chick shortage, maybe they can work it out.

Only a fool wouldn't recognize it for what it is.....

....raise your paw.


For an echo of your post, pick up a copy of

Listen for the echo.

 

[irosie91]

To understand where China will look to solve it's energy problem,...

Paracel and Spratly Islands Forum The Cow Tongue China s Claims in the Eastern Sea South China Sea




6. "...it is not difficult to understand...of seizing the South China Sea, ...when briefing papers are telling them of untold riches of the sea. According to estimates...Nansha's ( the eighth largest island of Spratly Islands and the fourth largest among Philippine-occupied Spratly islands) oil reserves total over 10 billion tons..."
From the novel "Dragon Strike," by Hawksley

a. " In 1968, oil was discovered in the region.[4]The Geology and Mineral Resources Ministry of the People's Republic of China (PRC) has estimated that the Spratly area holds oil and natural gas reserves of 17.7 billion tons (1.60 × 1010kg),[citation needed]compared to the 13 billion tons (1.17 × 1010kg) held byKuwait, placing it as, potentially, the fourth largest reserve bed in the world. These large potential reserves have assisted in intensifying the territorial claims of the neighbouring countries." Spratly Islands dispute - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




7. " The Spratly Islands dispute is an ongoing territorial dispute between Brunei,China (People's Republic of China),Malaysia, the Philippines,Taiwan (Republic of China), and Vietnam, concerning ownership of the Spratly Islands, a group of islands and associated "maritime features"(reefs, banks, cays, etc.) located in the South China Sea. The dispute is characterised by diplomatic stalemate and the employment of low-level military pressure techniques (such as military occupation of disputed territory) in the advancement of national territorial claims. All except Brunei occupy some of the maritime features." Spratly Islands dispute - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


If it were to gain total control of the South China Sea, which includes the Spratly and Paracel Islands, China would not need to import a drop of oil for the foreseeable future.


As an emerging superpower......what do you suppose the future of the South China Sea indicates?

If China does take over the South China Sea, could we not live with that?
Why, exactly, do we care?

I care----the South China sea is part of the pacific in the same manner that the EAST RIVER is part of the Hudson

I guess I'd find a more practical answer helpful.

stretch your limited imagination. The East river provides access to SIGNIFICANT ports-------via the Hudson River which opens on the ATLANTIC OCEAN. During world war II-----the Atlantic Ocean was
a very important arena of war

 

[PoliticalChic]

To understand where China will look to solve it's energy problem,...

Paracel and Spratly Islands Forum The Cow Tongue China s Claims in the Eastern Sea South China Sea




6. "...it is not difficult to understand...of seizing the South China Sea, ...when briefing papers are telling them of untold riches of the sea. According to estimates...Nansha's ( the eighth largest island of Spratly Islands and the fourth largest among Philippine-occupied Spratly islands) oil reserves total over 10 billion tons..."
From the novel "Dragon Strike," by Hawksley

a. " In 1968, oil was discovered in the region.[4]The Geology and Mineral Resources Ministry of the People's Republic of China (PRC) has estimated that the Spratly area holds oil and natural gas reserves of 17.7 billion tons (1.60 × 1010kg),[citation needed]compared to the 13 billion tons (1.17 × 1010kg) held byKuwait, placing it as, potentially, the fourth largest reserve bed in the world. These large potential reserves have assisted in intensifying the territorial claims of the neighbouring countries." Spratly Islands dispute - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




7. " The Spratly Islands dispute is an ongoing territorial dispute between Brunei,China (People's Republic of China),Malaysia, the Philippines,Taiwan (Republic of China), and Vietnam, concerning ownership of the Spratly Islands, a group of islands and associated "maritime features"(reefs, banks, cays, etc.) located in the South China Sea. The dispute is characterised by diplomatic stalemate and the employment of low-level military pressure techniques (such as military occupation of disputed territory) in the advancement of national territorial claims. All except Brunei occupy some of the maritime features." Spratly Islands dispute - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


If it were to gain total control of the South China Sea, which includes the Spratly and Paracel Islands, China would not need to import a drop of oil for the foreseeable future.


As an emerging superpower......what do you suppose the future of the South China Sea indicates?

If China does take over the South China Sea, could we not live with that?
Why, exactly, do we care?

I care----the South China sea is part of the pacific in the same manner that the EAST RIVER is part of the Hudson

I guess I'd find a more practical answer helpful.

Excellent question.


"How much trade transits the South China Sea? The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) estimates that roughly 80 percent of global trade by volume and 70 percent by value is transported by sea."
How much trade transits the South China Sea? | ChinaPower Project

https://chinapower.csis.org/much-trade-transits-south-china-sea/

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why is any of this our problem.

Being an idiot, you do have to ask.

The Filipinos threw us out... probably because they were upset we were stealing all their hot chicks...

And then less than year later they cried and whined for us to come back, when your heroes and favorite labor racketeers the Red Chinese sent a few boats to make scary noises at them.

The Chinese have a chick shortage, maybe they can work it out.

Maybe they just buy your sister from you.

I must say, you provided just what he deserves.

 

[PoliticalChic]

To understand where China will look to solve it's energy problem,...

Paracel and Spratly Islands Forum The Cow Tongue China s Claims in the Eastern Sea South China Sea




6. "...it is not difficult to understand...of seizing the South China Sea, ...when briefing papers are telling them of untold riches of the sea. According to estimates...Nansha's ( the eighth largest island of Spratly Islands and the fourth largest among Philippine-occupied Spratly islands) oil reserves total over 10 billion tons..."
From the novel "Dragon Strike," by Hawksley

a. " In 1968, oil was discovered in the region.[4]The Geology and Mineral Resources Ministry of the People's Republic of China (PRC) has estimated that the Spratly area holds oil and natural gas reserves of 17.7 billion tons (1.60 × 1010kg),[citation needed]compared to the 13 billion tons (1.17 × 1010kg) held byKuwait, placing it as, potentially, the fourth largest reserve bed in the world. These large potential reserves have assisted in intensifying the territorial claims of the neighbouring countries." Spratly Islands dispute - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




7. " The Spratly Islands dispute is an ongoing territorial dispute between Brunei,China (People's Republic of China),Malaysia, the Philippines,Taiwan (Republic of China), and Vietnam, concerning ownership of the Spratly Islands, a group of islands and associated "maritime features"(reefs, banks, cays, etc.) located in the South China Sea. The dispute is characterised by diplomatic stalemate and the employment of low-level military pressure techniques (such as military occupation of disputed territory) in the advancement of national territorial claims. All except Brunei occupy some of the maritime features." Spratly Islands dispute - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


If it were to gain total control of the South China Sea, which includes the Spratly and Paracel Islands, China would not need to import a drop of oil for the foreseeable future.


As an emerging superpower......what do you suppose the future of the South China Sea indicates?

If China does take over the South China Sea, could we not live with that?
Why, exactly, do we care?

I care----the South China sea is part of the pacific in the same manner that the EAST RIVER is part of the Hudson

I guess I'd find a more practical answer helpful.

I have your passport photo here....

 

[OldLady]

To understand where China will look to solve it's energy problem,...

Paracel and Spratly Islands Forum The Cow Tongue China s Claims in the Eastern Sea South China Sea




6. "...it is not difficult to understand...of seizing the South China Sea, ...when briefing papers are telling them of untold riches of the sea. According to estimates...Nansha's ( the eighth largest island of Spratly Islands and the fourth largest among Philippine-occupied Spratly islands) oil reserves total over 10 billion tons..."
From the novel "Dragon Strike," by Hawksley

a. " In 1968, oil was discovered in the region.[4]The Geology and Mineral Resources Ministry of the People's Republic of China (PRC) has estimated that the Spratly area holds oil and natural gas reserves of 17.7 billion tons (1.60 × 1010kg),[citation needed]compared to the 13 billion tons (1.17 × 1010kg) held byKuwait, placing it as, potentially, the fourth largest reserve bed in the world. These large potential reserves have assisted in intensifying the territorial claims of the neighbouring countries." Spratly Islands dispute - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




7. " The Spratly Islands dispute is an ongoing territorial dispute between Brunei,China (People's Republic of China),Malaysia, the Philippines,Taiwan (Republic of China), and Vietnam, concerning ownership of the Spratly Islands, a group of islands and associated "maritime features"(reefs, banks, cays, etc.) located in the South China Sea. The dispute is characterised by diplomatic stalemate and the employment of low-level military pressure techniques (such as military occupation of disputed territory) in the advancement of national territorial claims. All except Brunei occupy some of the maritime features." Spratly Islands dispute - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


If it were to gain total control of the South China Sea, which includes the Spratly and Paracel Islands, China would not need to import a drop of oil for the foreseeable future.


As an emerging superpower......what do you suppose the future of the South China Sea indicates?

If China does take over the South China Sea, could we not live with that?
Why, exactly, do we care?

I care----the South China sea is part of the pacific in the same manner that the EAST RIVER is part of the Hudson

I guess I'd find a more practical answer helpful.

Excellent question.


"How much trade transits the South China Sea? The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) estimates that roughly 80 percent of global trade by volume and 70 percent by value is transported by sea."
How much trade transits the South China Sea? | ChinaPower Project

How much trade transits the South China Sea? | ChinaPower Project

Most of the shipping in the South China Sea is from China, a huge trader in the world. Since we are the largest trading partner with China, I guess we would find it necessary to transit the South China Seas, but wouldn't China need that, too? It takes two to trade.

There was no need for you to post that insult. I was simply asking a question.

 

[PoliticalChic]

To understand where China will look to solve it's energy problem,...

Paracel and Spratly Islands Forum The Cow Tongue China s Claims in the Eastern Sea South China Sea




6. "...it is not difficult to understand...of seizing the South China Sea, ...when briefing papers are telling them of untold riches of the sea. According to estimates...Nansha's ( the eighth largest island of Spratly Islands and the fourth largest among Philippine-occupied Spratly islands) oil reserves total over 10 billion tons..."
From the novel "Dragon Strike," by Hawksley

a. " In 1968, oil was discovered in the region.[4]The Geology and Mineral Resources Ministry of the People's Republic of China (PRC) has estimated that the Spratly area holds oil and natural gas reserves of 17.7 billion tons (1.60 × 1010kg),[citation needed]compared to the 13 billion tons (1.17 × 1010kg) held byKuwait, placing it as, potentially, the fourth largest reserve bed in the world. These large potential reserves have assisted in intensifying the territorial claims of the neighbouring countries." Spratly Islands dispute - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




7. " The Spratly Islands dispute is an ongoing territorial dispute between Brunei,China (People's Republic of China),Malaysia, the Philippines,Taiwan (Republic of China), and Vietnam, concerning ownership of the Spratly Islands, a group of islands and associated "maritime features"(reefs, banks, cays, etc.) located in the South China Sea. The dispute is characterised by diplomatic stalemate and the employment of low-level military pressure techniques (such as military occupation of disputed territory) in the advancement of national territorial claims. All except Brunei occupy some of the maritime features." Spratly Islands dispute - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


If it were to gain total control of the South China Sea, which includes the Spratly and Paracel Islands, China would not need to import a drop of oil for the foreseeable future.


As an emerging superpower......what do you suppose the future of the South China Sea indicates?

If China does take over the South China Sea, could we not live with that?
Why, exactly, do we care?

I care----the South China sea is part of the pacific in the same manner that the EAST RIVER is part of the Hudson

I guess I'd find a more practical answer helpful.

Excellent question.


"How much trade transits the South China Sea? The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) estimates that roughly 80 percent of global trade by volume and 70 percent by value is transported by sea."
How much trade transits the South China Sea? | ChinaPower Project

How much trade transits the South China Sea? | ChinaPower Project

Most of the shipping in the South China Sea is from China, a huge trader in the world. Since we are the largest trading partner with China, I guess we would find it necessary to transit the South China Seas, but wouldn't China need that, too? It takes two to trade.

There was no need for you to post that insult. I was simply asking a question.

If we take suggestions from those as short-sighted as you are, we would allow China to control some 80% of all commercial shipping, as well as the gas and oil reservoirs of that area.


"The Geopolitics of Oil and Gas in the South China Sea
Insights from Eufracia Taylor and Hugo Brennan.

By Mercy A. Kuo
December 12, 2018


Diplomat author Mercy Kuo regularly engages subject-matter experts, policy practitioners and strategic thinkers across the globe for their diverse insights into U.S. Asia policy. This conversation with Eufracia Taylor and Hugo Brennan – Senior Asia Analysts at risk consultancy Verisk Maplecroft – explores the motives of China’s push for joint oil and gas exploration in the South China Sea, and the broader consequences for geopolitics.

Explain the agenda behind Beijing’s offer of “joint oil and gas exploration” in the South China Sea to Southeast Asian countries.

The assertion of sovereignty over disputed areas is the name of the game, and Beijing considers joint oil and gas exploration as an important policy tool in pursuit of this goal. Signs of claimant states negotiating with Beijing to jointly explore for resources in their own Exclusive Economic Zones (EEZs) go a long way towards legitimizing China’s nine-dash line.

The strategic context affecting upstream development in the South China Sea is a rising China that is increasingly able and willing to assertively pursue its perceived sovereign rights to oil and gas resources."
The Geopolitics of Oil and Gas in the South China Sea



A pity you stuck to Chutes and Ladders rather than Chess.

 

[PoliticalChic]

To understand where China will look to solve it's energy problem,...

Paracel and Spratly Islands Forum The Cow Tongue China s Claims in the Eastern Sea South China Sea




6. "...it is not difficult to understand...of seizing the South China Sea, ...when briefing papers are telling them of untold riches of the sea. According to estimates...Nansha's ( the eighth largest island of Spratly Islands and the fourth largest among Philippine-occupied Spratly islands) oil reserves total over 10 billion tons..."
From the novel "Dragon Strike," by Hawksley

a. " In 1968, oil was discovered in the region.[4]The Geology and Mineral Resources Ministry of the People's Republic of China (PRC) has estimated that the Spratly area holds oil and natural gas reserves of 17.7 billion tons (1.60 × 1010kg),[citation needed]compared to the 13 billion tons (1.17 × 1010kg) held byKuwait, placing it as, potentially, the fourth largest reserve bed in the world. These large potential reserves have assisted in intensifying the territorial claims of the neighbouring countries." Spratly Islands dispute - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




7. " The Spratly Islands dispute is an ongoing territorial dispute between Brunei,China (People's Republic of China),Malaysia, the Philippines,Taiwan (Republic of China), and Vietnam, concerning ownership of the Spratly Islands, a group of islands and associated "maritime features"(reefs, banks, cays, etc.) located in the South China Sea. The dispute is characterised by diplomatic stalemate and the employment of low-level military pressure techniques (such as military occupation of disputed territory) in the advancement of national territorial claims. All except Brunei occupy some of the maritime features." Spratly Islands dispute - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


If it were to gain total control of the South China Sea, which includes the Spratly and Paracel Islands, China would not need to import a drop of oil for the foreseeable future.


As an emerging superpower......what do you suppose the future of the South China Sea indicates?

If China does take over the South China Sea, could we not live with that?
Why, exactly, do we care?

I care----the South China sea is part of the pacific in the same manner that the EAST RIVER is part of the Hudson

I guess I'd find a more practical answer helpful.

Excellent question.


"How much trade transits the South China Sea? The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) estimates that roughly 80 percent of global trade by volume and 70 percent by value is transported by sea."
How much trade transits the South China Sea? | ChinaPower Project

How much trade transits the South China Sea? | ChinaPower Project

Most of the shipping in the South China Sea is from China, a huge trader in the world. Since we are the largest trading partner with China, I guess we would find it necessary to transit the South China Seas, but wouldn't China need that, too? It takes two to trade.

There was no need for you to post that insult. I was simply asking a question.

"There was no need for you to post that insult. I was simply asking a question."


You're probably right.
Am I a good person. No.

But do I try to make myself better every day? Also, no.





Forbearance is not one of my gifts....seems I don't suffer fools gladly





That reminds me: I would like to apologize to anyone I have not insulted as of yet. Please be patient....I will get to you shortly.

 

[anynameyouwish]

There is an old saying: "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography."
Ambrose Bierce

And today's geography lesson will introduce the ineluctable lead-up to WWIII.




Just as blood keeps the human organism alive, oil is the life's-blood of an industrial nation....imagine how absurd it would be for the leader of an modern nation to suggest...'Well, seeing as how much trouble and strife oil causes....our nation is going on a ten-year plan to wean ourselves off oil and all the other petroleum products.'
(Did somebody say 'Obama'??)


Contrary to the fables spread by Liberals....there are no alternatives to petroleum.


Here....the facts about oil, China, and the future.....WWIII.




1. "For China the problem was particularly acute: by the turn of the century, after years of an average growth of 7 percent in demand, it was faciang a shortfall in oil of 3,500,000 tons a year and this had to be met by imports. Its efforts to find oil in home waters had been to little avail: the East China Sea produced some modest gas finds but no oil to speak of.

The best find was a huge gas reservoir off the south coast of the Hainan Island at the northern end of the South China Sea, and an 800 km. sub-marine pipeline had been constructed to pipe 2,900,000 cubic meters of gas a day to fire a power station in Hong Kong."
From the novel "Dragon Strike," by Hawksley


a. " State media says China has found more than 100 billion cubic meters of natural gas in the politically volatile South China Sea.
The natural gas was discovered at the Lingshui 17-2 gas field, 150 kilometers south of southern Hainan island. "
China says natural gas found off Hainan s shores - The Standard




2. "Onshore, the application of new drilling techniques succeeded in extracting more oil from the Daqing field in the north-east, China's most productive- indeed the north-eastern oilfields accounted for 70 % of onshore production."
From the novel "Dragon Strike," by Hawksley


a. " Annual crude oil output at Daqing Oil Field, China's largest oil field, will fall to 30 million tons by 2010, a steep drop of 18.4 million tons from last year's level, Xinhua news agency reported yesterday.

Daqing's crude output will shrink by 7 percent yearly in the following seven years. Its crude output is expected to drop to 20 million tons by 2020, said Gai Ruyin, mayor of Daqing City in Heilongjiang Province.

The report also said there is only 500 million tons of recoverable oil reserve left in the country's largest oil field,..."
China s Daqing Oil Field Passes Peak



What to do....what to do...??

we'll have WWIII because of people like YOU!


I can live in peace with everyone.


YOU can't!


I can live side by side with gays, atheists, muslims, buddhists, christians, wiccans, pagans.....

YOU can't!


I have no desire to go on message boards and rant and rave about "the evil ways of our enemies!"


YOU DO!.......


as long as people like YOU (and your islamic, christian, russian, iranian, n korean, chinese counterparts) keep riling up the neanderthals into a murderous frenzy we will always have war......


I wish you'd stop.

I could use a good nights sleep......

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is an old saying: "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography."
Ambrose Bierce

And today's geography lesson will introduce the ineluctable lead-up to WWIII.




Just as blood keeps the human organism alive, oil is the life's-blood of an industrial nation....imagine how absurd it would be for the leader of an modern nation to suggest...'Well, seeing as how much trouble and strife oil causes....our nation is going on a ten-year plan to wean ourselves off oil and all the other petroleum products.'
(Did somebody say 'Obama'??)


Contrary to the fables spread by Liberals....there are no alternatives to petroleum.


Here....the facts about oil, China, and the future.....WWIII.




1. "For China the problem was particularly acute: by the turn of the century, after years of an average growth of 7 percent in demand, it was faciang a shortfall in oil of 3,500,000 tons a year and this had to be met by imports. Its efforts to find oil in home waters had been to little avail: the East China Sea produced some modest gas finds but no oil to speak of.

The best find was a huge gas reservoir off the south coast of the Hainan Island at the northern end of the South China Sea, and an 800 km. sub-marine pipeline had been constructed to pipe 2,900,000 cubic meters of gas a day to fire a power station in Hong Kong."
From the novel "Dragon Strike," by Hawksley


a. " State media says China has found more than 100 billion cubic meters of natural gas in the politically volatile South China Sea.
The natural gas was discovered at the Lingshui 17-2 gas field, 150 kilometers south of southern Hainan island. "
China says natural gas found off Hainan s shores - The Standard




2. "Onshore, the application of new drilling techniques succeeded in extracting more oil from the Daqing field in the north-east, China's most productive- indeed the north-eastern oilfields accounted for 70 % of onshore production."
From the novel "Dragon Strike," by Hawksley


a. " Annual crude oil output at Daqing Oil Field, China's largest oil field, will fall to 30 million tons by 2010, a steep drop of 18.4 million tons from last year's level, Xinhua news agency reported yesterday.

Daqing's crude output will shrink by 7 percent yearly in the following seven years. Its crude output is expected to drop to 20 million tons by 2020, said Gai Ruyin, mayor of Daqing City in Heilongjiang Province.

The report also said there is only 500 million tons of recoverable oil reserve left in the country's largest oil field,..."
China s Daqing Oil Field Passes Peak



What to do....what to do...??

we'll have WWIII because of people like YOU!


I can live in peace with everyone.


YOU can't!


I can live side by side with gays, atheists, muslims, buddhists, christians, wiccans, pagans.....

YOU can't!


I have no desire to go on message boards and rant and rave about "the evil ways of our enemies!"


YOU DO!.......


as long as people like YOU (and your islamic, christian, russian, iranian, n korean, chinese counterparts) keep riling up the neanderthals into a murderous frenzy we will always have war......


I wish you'd stop.

I could use a good nights sleep......

You could have saved beaucoup time and bytes by simply stating your old meme, "Better Red Than Dead."


What a dunce.

 

[JoeB131]

Being an idiot, you do have to ask.

Nope. You guys still haven't given me a good reason why an American has to die because the Filipinos and Chinese are fighting over some crappy little islands.

 

[JoeB131]

Only a fool wouldn't recognize it for what it is.....

....raise your paw.


For an echo of your post, pick up a copy of

Again, really didn't answer my question... Let's say the Chinese INVADE the Philippines and take it over....

Why is this my problem? Why is this worth ONE American life?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Only a fool wouldn't recognize it for what it is.....

....raise your paw.


For an echo of your post, pick up a copy of

Again, really didn't answer my question... Let's say the Chinese INVADE the Philippines and take it over....

Why is this my problem? Why is this worth ONE American life?

Why is this worth one American life?


1. "What would you say, though, if I told you that this “good thing” that the government is forcing on us in the name of “saving the environment” is responsible for no less than 2,000 deaths per year?

Back in 2002, the National Academy of Sciences did a study on the effects of CAFE. They found that over the three decades CAFE has been in effect, downsizing of cars and trucks for fuel economy has cost us about 2,000 lives per year.

Less steel framing and smaller size equals more miles per gallon. It also means you’re rolling down the road in a vehicle with much less crashworthiness, making you more vulnerable to every stationary object, to that semi behind you … and to the guy in the normal-sized car.

This death toll figure was arrived at long before President Obama recently upped the CAFE standards by 30% and more. The death toll going forward will be even higher.

Imagine the reaction of the oh-so-energy conscious Democrats to a private company causing 2,000 plus deaths per year. We’d be having show hearings by the dozen, the company execs lined up in the hearing room for the TV cameras like a corporate murderer’s row. The coverage would be non-stop, as it was for the much smaller death toll involving SUV drivers who never could figure out how to inflate their tires correctly. Special legislation would be enacted to “stop the carnage.” The government would air PSAs urging us not to buy the product.

However, since CAFE is a government product — and now, so too are the cars — none of that is happening. Instead of trying to scare us out of such vehicles as they have (falsely) been doing with SUVs, they’re silent on the dangers involved with cars that are built far too small and light.
"Pajamas Media » The Hidden Death Toll of Higher CAFE Standards
The Hidden Death Toll of Higher CAFE Standards





2. President Obama has declared that auto companies' fleets must average 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025, almost double the current 27.5. Standing at his side when he made the announcement were executives from the Big Three automakers.

The New York Times reported: "It is an extraordinary shift in the relationship between the companies and Washington. But a lot has happened in the last four years, notably the $80 billion federal bailout of General Motors, Chrysler and scores of their suppliers, which removed any itch for a politically charged battle from the carmakers."

Right. They're happy to agree to stupid rules, since they are now dependent on government favors.

Obama said that under his new rule, "everyone wins. Consumers pay less for fuel, the economy as a whole runs more efficiently."

Sounds impressive, but he didn't mention the costs. The Center for Automotive Research says the new standard will raise the price of cars by about $7,000. You'd need to save a lot on fuel to break even.


Bob Deans of the Natural Resources Defense Council, one of America's biggest environmental groups, said that Kazman and I are wrong.

"Cars like the Chevy Cruise -- 42 miles per gallon -- get top marks on safety. The Ford Focus, more than 40 miles per gallon -- top marks in safety. We're getting safer cars, and they're not coming at the expense of fuel efficiency."

Deans added: "By increasing that gas mileage for our auto fleet, we can cut our oil consumption in this country by 4 million barrels per day by 2030. That would almost wipe out our OPEC purchases daily. It will make our country stronger."

But we use oil for lots of things. If we cut gasoline use by a third, unlikely as that would be, we'd still only reduce our fossil fuel use by 7 percent. That does not make much difference for $7,000 a car and 2,000 extra deaths each year.

"It's not necessarily a smaller car that we're talking about," Deans replied. "You look at Chevy Malibu. That is a 3,400-pound car. It's not a small car. It's getting 33-miles to the gallon. We believe Detroit can do this."
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45420






3. Richard Threlkeld, a former correspondent for CBS News, was killed today in a car crash on Long Island.

Threlkeld, 74, who lived with his wife in East Hampton, was driving his Mini Cooper north on the Cross Highway in Amagansett when he collided with a propane tanker that was traveling east on the Montauk Highway, police said.

His car then went off the road and hit a fence. He was taken to Southampton Hospital where he was pronounced dead.

The driver of the tanker, Earl Freyberger, was uninjured in the accident.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/..._ctqVkGmyh1efTQCvGZJ3SP#.TxB9JGjSUvY.facebook
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/...spondent_ctqVkGmyh1efTQCvGZJ3SP#ixzz1jjb9Gthp




As dumb as you are, and as hateful of America.....it is sooooo easy to skewer you.



On a personal note.....
You spend a great deal of time here....I'd rather see you take up a hobby that involves homemade munitions .

 

[JoeB131]

Why is this worth one American life?


1. "What would you say, though, if I told you that this “good thing” that the government is forcing on us in the name of “saving the environment” is responsible for no less than 2,000 deaths per year?

Why are you changing the subject.

The subject is, why should Americans die in a dispute between China and the Philippines?

Let's try to stick to that subject, shall we?

On a personal note.....
You spend a great deal of time here....I'd rather see you take up a hobby that involves homemade munitions .

Lot of hatefulness for someone who can't answer the question.

So why should Americans die for the Philippines? I mean, we liberated them from Spain, we Liberated them from Japan... and now we have to save them from China?

 

[irosie91]

I like yoyos

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why is this worth one American life?


1. "What would you say, though, if I told you that this “good thing” that the government is forcing on us in the name of “saving the environment” is responsible for no less than 2,000 deaths per year?

Why are you changing the subject.

The subject is, why should Americans die in a dispute between China and the Philippines?

Let's try to stick to that subject, shall we?

On a personal note.....
You spend a great deal of time here....I'd rather see you take up a hobby that involves homemade munitions .

Lot of hatefulness for someone who can't answer the question.

So why should Americans die for the Philippines? I mean, we liberated them from Spain, we Liberated them from Japan... and now we have to save them from China?

Why aren't you answering the question?

I auto mileage worth 2000 lives?


Speak up.


1. "What would you say, though, if I told you that this “good thing” that the government is forcing on us in the name of “saving the environment” is responsible for no less than 2,000 deaths per year?

Back in 2002, the National Academy of Sciences did a study on the effects of CAFE. They found that over the three decades CAFE has been in effect, downsizing of cars and trucks for fuel economy has cost us about 2,000 lives per year.

Less steel framing and smaller size equals more miles per gallon. It also means you’re rolling down the road in a vehicle with much less crashworthiness, making you more vulnerable to every stationary object, to that semi behind you … and to the guy in the normal-sized car.

This death toll figure was arrived at long before President Obama recently upped the CAFE standards by 30% and more. The death toll going forward will be even higher.

Imagine the reaction of the oh-so-energy conscious Democrats to a private company causing 2,000 plus deaths per year. We’d be having show hearings by the dozen, the company execs lined up in the hearing room for the TV cameras like a corporate murderer’s row. The coverage would be non-stop, as it was for the much smaller death toll involving SUV drivers who never could figure out how to inflate their tires correctly. Special legislation would be enacted to “stop the carnage.” The government would air PSAs urging us not to buy the product.

However, since CAFE is a government product — and now, so too are the cars — none of that is happening. Instead of trying to scare us out of such vehicles as they have (falsely) been doing with SUVs, they’re silent on the dangers involved with cars that are built far too small and light.
"Pajamas Media » The Hidden Death Toll of Higher CAFE Standards
The Hidden Death Toll of Higher CAFE Standards





2. President Obama has declared that auto companies' fleets must average 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025, almost double the current 27.5. Standing at his side when he made the announcement were executives from the Big Three automakers.

The New York Times reported: "It is an extraordinary shift in the relationship between the companies and Washington. But a lot has happened in the last four years, notably the $80 billion federal bailout of General Motors, Chrysler and scores of their suppliers, which removed any itch for a politically charged battle from the carmakers."

Right. They're happy to agree to stupid rules, since they are now dependent on government favors.

Obama said that under his new rule, "everyone wins. Consumers pay less for fuel, the economy as a whole runs more efficiently."

Sounds impressive, but he didn't mention the costs. The Center for Automotive Research says the new standard will raise the price of cars by about $7,000. You'd need to save a lot on fuel to break even.


Bob Deans of the Natural Resources Defense Council, one of America's biggest environmental groups, said that Kazman and I are wrong.

"Cars like the Chevy Cruise -- 42 miles per gallon -- get top marks on safety. The Ford Focus, more than 40 miles per gallon -- top marks in safety. We're getting safer cars, and they're not coming at the expense of fuel efficiency."

Deans added: "By increasing that gas mileage for our auto fleet, we can cut our oil consumption in this country by 4 million barrels per day by 2030. That would almost wipe out our OPEC purchases daily. It will make our country stronger."

But we use oil for lots of things. If we cut gasoline use by a third, unlikely as that would be, we'd still only reduce our fossil fuel use by 7 percent. That does not make much difference for $7,000 a car and 2,000 extra deaths each year.

"It's not necessarily a smaller car that we're talking about," Deans replied. "You look at Chevy Malibu. That is a 3,400-pound car. It's not a small car. It's getting 33-miles to the gallon. We believe Detroit can do this."
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45420






3. Richard Threlkeld, a former correspondent for CBS News, was killed today in a car crash on Long Island.

Threlkeld, 74, who lived with his wife in East Hampton, was driving his Mini Cooper north on the Cross Highway in Amagansett when he collided with a propane tanker that was traveling east on the Montauk Highway, police said.

His car then went off the road and hit a fence. He was taken to Southampton Hospital where he was pronounced dead.

The driver of the tanker, Earl Freyberger, was uninjured in the accident.
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As dumb as you are, and as hateful of America.....it is sooooo easy to skewer you.



On a personal note.....
You spend a great deal of time here....I'd rather see you take up a hobby that involves homemade munitions .



Get out there and play with those explosives.

 

[JoeB131]

Why aren't you answering the question?

I auto mileage worth 2000 lives?

1) Doubt those figures are accurate.
2) Um, yeah, given that the environment is better off for it, it certainly is worth having auto milage standards. I kind of like having a planet that is still habitable.

So why should young American men die for a crappy Island in the South CHINA Sea. "South CHINA Sea"... seems like it's theirs already.

You see, I'd like to see us have a draft, and the children of the politicians, the wealthy, the right wing pundits who are always so keen to bring home other people's kids in boxes...

being third generation military, maybe it's time to make someone else's family carry the load for a change.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why aren't you answering the question?

I auto mileage worth 2000 lives?

1) Doubt those figures are accurate.
2) Um, yeah, given that the environment is better off for it, it certainly is worth having auto milage standards. I kind of like having a planet that is still habitable.

So why should young American men die for a crappy Island in the South CHINA Sea. "South CHINA Sea"... seems like it's theirs already.

You see, I'd like to see us have a draft, and the children of the politicians, the wealthy, the right wing pundits who are always so keen to bring home other people's kids in boxes...

being third generation military, maybe it's time to make someone else's family carry the load for a change.

Pity you can't see further than that big red nose of yours.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is an old saying: "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography."
Ambrose Bierce

And today's geography lesson will introduce the ineluctable lead-up to WWIII.




Just as blood keeps the human organism alive, oil is the life's-blood of an industrial nation....imagine how absurd it would be for the leader of an modern nation to suggest...'Well, seeing as how much trouble and strife oil causes....our nation is going on a ten-year plan to wean ourselves off oil and all the other petroleum products.'
(Did somebody say 'Obama'??)


Contrary to the fables spread by Liberals....there are no alternatives to petroleum.


Here....the facts about oil, China, and the future.....WWIII.




1. "For China the problem was particularly acute: by the turn of the century, after years of an average growth of 7 percent in demand, it was faciang a shortfall in oil of 3,500,000 tons a year and this had to be met by imports. Its efforts to find oil in home waters had been to little avail: the East China Sea produced some modest gas finds but no oil to speak of.

The best find was a huge gas reservoir off the south coast of the Hainan Island at the northern end of the South China Sea, and an 800 km. sub-marine pipeline had been constructed to pipe 2,900,000 cubic meters of gas a day to fire a power station in Hong Kong."
From the novel "Dragon Strike," by Hawksley


a. " State media says China has found more than 100 billion cubic meters of natural gas in the politically volatile South China Sea.
The natural gas was discovered at the Lingshui 17-2 gas field, 150 kilometers south of southern Hainan island. "
China says natural gas found off Hainan s shores - The Standard




2. "Onshore, the application of new drilling techniques succeeded in extracting more oil from the Daqing field in the north-east, China's most productive- indeed the north-eastern oilfields accounted for 70 % of onshore production."
From the novel "Dragon Strike," by Hawksley


a. " Annual crude oil output at Daqing Oil Field, China's largest oil field, will fall to 30 million tons by 2010, a steep drop of 18.4 million tons from last year's level, Xinhua news agency reported yesterday.

Daqing's crude output will shrink by 7 percent yearly in the following seven years. Its crude output is expected to drop to 20 million tons by 2020, said Gai Ruyin, mayor of Daqing City in Heilongjiang Province.

The report also said there is only 500 million tons of recoverable oil reserve left in the country's largest oil field,..."
China s Daqing Oil Field Passes Peak



What to do....what to do...??

we'll have WWIII because of people like YOU!


I can live in peace with everyone.


YOU can't!


I can live side by side with gays, atheists, muslims, buddhists, christians, wiccans, pagans.....

YOU can't!


I have no desire to go on message boards and rant and rave about "the evil ways of our enemies!"


YOU DO!.......


as long as people like YOU (and your islamic, christian, russian, iranian, n korean, chinese counterparts) keep riling up the neanderthals into a murderous frenzy we will always have war......


I wish you'd stop.

I could use a good nights sleep......

And now for an explanation of the difference between you and I........one a level even you can understand.



The Dog and the Wolf
A gaunt Wolf was almost dead with hunger when he happened to meet a House-dog who was passing by. "Ah, Cousin," said the Dog. "I knew how it would be; your irregular life will soon be the ruin of you. Why do you not work steadily as I do, and get your food regularly given to you?"

"I would have no objection," said the Wolf, "if I could only get a place."

"I will easily arrange that for you," said the Dog; "come with me to my master and you shall share my work."

So the Wolf and the Dog went towards the town together. On the way there the Wolf noticed that the hair on a certain part of the Dog's neck was very much worn away, so he asked him how that had come about.

"Oh, it is nothing," said the Dog. "That is only the place where the collar is put on at night to keep me chained up; it chafes a bit, but one soon gets used to it."

"Is that all?" said the Wolf. "Then good-bye to you, Master Dog."

Better starve free than be a fat slave.





Bow wow, doggie.

 

[OldLady]

If China does take over the South China Sea, could we not live with that?
Why, exactly, do we care?

I care----the South China sea is part of the pacific in the same manner that the EAST RIVER is part of the Hudson

I guess I'd find a more practical answer helpful.

Excellent question.


"How much trade transits the South China Sea? The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) estimates that roughly 80 percent of global trade by volume and 70 percent by value is transported by sea."
How much trade transits the South China Sea? | ChinaPower Project

How much trade transits the South China Sea? | ChinaPower Project

Most of the shipping in the South China Sea is from China, a huge trader in the world. Since we are the largest trading partner with China, I guess we would find it necessary to transit the South China Seas, but wouldn't China need that, too? It takes two to trade.

There was no need for you to post that insult. I was simply asking a question.

If we take suggestions from those as short-sighted as you are, we would allow China to control some 80% of all commercial shipping, as well as the gas and oil reservoirs of that area.


"The Geopolitics of Oil and Gas in the South China Sea
Insights from Eufracia Taylor and Hugo Brennan.

By Mercy A. Kuo
December 12, 2018


Diplomat author Mercy Kuo regularly engages subject-matter experts, policy practitioners and strategic thinkers across the globe for their diverse insights into U.S. Asia policy. This conversation with Eufracia Taylor and Hugo Brennan – Senior Asia Analysts at risk consultancy Verisk Maplecroft – explores the motives of China’s push for joint oil and gas exploration in the South China Sea, and the broader consequences for geopolitics.

Explain the agenda behind Beijing’s offer of “joint oil and gas exploration” in the South China Sea to Southeast Asian countries.

The assertion of sovereignty over disputed areas is the name of the game, and Beijing considers joint oil and gas exploration as an important policy tool in pursuit of this goal. Signs of claimant states negotiating with Beijing to jointly explore for resources in their own Exclusive Economic Zones (EEZs) go a long way towards legitimizing China’s nine-dash line.

The strategic context affecting upstream development in the South China Sea is a rising China that is increasingly able and willing to assertively pursue its perceived sovereign rights to oil and gas resources."
The Geopolitics of Oil and Gas in the South China Sea



A pity you stuck to Chutes and Ladders rather than Chess.

So they want oil and gas. Why is that something we should be afraid of. PLEASE do not post another of your long tl:dr articles. Just tell me in simple English in a paragraph or two, please. If you can.