Iran is already done. Further operations are redundant.

[rightwinger]

So your position is that we should stay?...

You broke it, you fix it

 

[Mac-7]

Iran's 2025 GDP was $356.5 billion. The total economic damage after 20 days of conflict is now $475-775 billion. That's 133-217% of their entire annual economic output. They're fucked.

Military losses - $45-65B

100+ naval vessels destroyed. Entire ballistic missile production infrastructure functionally destroyed. Capital ships gone. Major naval bases at Bandar Abbas, Chabahar, Konarak have all been hit.

No navy, no missile production, no deterrent capability.

Infrastructure damage - $180-250B

The South Pars gas field strike was the kill shot. $80-120B damage and a 3-5 year repair timeline. This field supplies 36% of Iran's gas reserves.

Iran is the 4th largest natural gas consumer globally. South Pars powers their electricity generation, home heating, industrial feedstock, petrochemical production.

Also destroyed - nuclear enrichment facilities, Kharg Island infrastructure (handles 90% of crude exports).

Lost economic output - $150-280B

The Strait of Hormuz has been blockaded for 20 days. Oil exports are constrained. Gas exports have halted. The Rial is at 1.1M+ per USD - total collapse.

Reconstruction costs - $100-180B

Except they can't reconstruct. South Pars requires advanced Japanese/South Korean technology. Sanctions block access. The Rial is worthless for imports. There's no revenue generation since exports are blocked. No financing is available.

The 3-5 year repair timeline cannot be met under sanctions with a collapsed currency and severely limited revenue. They have no pathway to reconstruction.

If we stopped all operations today, Iran is already non-functional. They have no military deterrent, crippled revenue generation, no reconstruction capacity, and no economic foundation.

Continuing strikes at this point is not a strategic necessity. The damage is terminal.

The problem is that its very easy to save enough weapons to sink a tanker with

And it only takes one

 

[rightwinger]

The problem is that its very easy to save enough weapons to sink a tanker with

And it only takes one

That is the problem with opening the strait

Even if we start escorting ships, they just have to wait

 

[Mac-7]

That is the problem with opening the strait

Even if we start escorting ships, they just have to wait

The Strait is a problem

The Irans have us by the throat right now

But lib’s ultimately will be disappointed

Or at least I hope so

 

[Zincwarrior]

Iran has been reduced to almost nothing.

They are still shooting drones. What if Trump TACOS and they still keep shooting?

 

[rightwinger]

The Strait is a problem

The Irans have us by the throat right now

But lib’s ultimately will be disappointed

Or at least I hope so

Iran has been planning this for decades

Trump walked into it

 

[Mac-7]

Iran has been planning this for decades

Trump walked into it

I dont think iran expected whats happening to them now

Such as the total failure of the made-in-china air defense system

Or the extent of the Israeli spy network inside the country

The muslim dictatorship survives so far, but its only hanging on by a thread

 

[Anomalism]

You broke it, you fix it

Which monolith are you attaching me to? Can you be specific?

 

[rightwinger]

Which monolith are you attaching me to? Can you be specific?

Trump is responsible for the closing of the Strait of Hormuz
HIs job is to fix it

 

[Anomalism]

Trump is responsible for the closing of the Strait of Hormuz
HIs job is to fix it

Any suggestions, or is your objective just to criticize Trump?

I think we should just leave and let them eat each other. It'll sort itself out.

 

[rightwinger]

Any suggestions, or is your objective just to criticize Trump?

I think we should just leave and let them eat each other. It'll sort itself out.

No question that Trump screwed the pooch on this one

He leaves and we are stuck with $5 gas and rising inflation
His assurance that this is a short term annoyance is ringing shallow

 

[E. Pluribus]

There is going to be a lot of pissed off Iranians when the fighting is over. Unfortunately, payback is going be a *****.

 

[Zincwarrior]

There is going to be a lot of pissed off Iranians when the fighting is over. Unfortunately, payback is going be a *****.

Trump' s version of help is on the way is to kill you.

 

[Anomalism]

No question that Trump screwed the pooch on this one

He leaves and we are stuck with $5 gas and rising inflation
His assurance that this is a short term annoyance is ringing shallow

So what's your solution? Do you look for solutions, or is your position just about criticizing Trump?

 

[Zincwarrior]

If the OP is correct, why ard we sending 10,000 marines there,?

 

[Zincwarrior]

So what's your solution? Do you look for solutions, or is your position just about criticizing Trump?

Put Trump in prison.

 

[Anomalism]

If the OP is correct, why ard we sending 10,000 marines there,?

Nation building. We're going to end up overseeing a regime change as well as paying to rebuild. This will most likely end up being another decades long process that costs us trillions of dollars.

All of that would be unnecessary if the mission was just to stop their nuclear capabilities, though.

It starts to look like more of an excuse, not the actual reason.

 

[rightwinger]

So what's your solution? Do you look for solutions, or is your position just about criticizing Trump?

A solution?
Shouldn’t Trump have considered solutions before he attacked?

Right now the Strait of Hormuz is closed indefinitely
I look at the geography and it does not seem like there is a solution

With a hundred ships a day, how do you stop EVERY possible attack?

 

[Anomalism]

Put Trump in prison.

Brilliant.

What's your solution with Iran, though?

 

[Anomalism]

A solution?
Shouldn’t Trump have considered solutions before he attacked?

Right now the Strait of Hormuz is closed indefinitely
I look at the geography and it does not seem like there is a solution

With a hundred ships a day, how do you stop EVERY possible attack?

I'm not a Trump supporter, so you're not going to bait me into reflexively defending him. Your obsession with focusing on trying to paint him negatively is irrelevant to me. I'm trying to actually think through this.