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[Correll]

Trump wants to get Putin to the table for a chance at immediate peace. Europe wants Ukraine to keep fighting. If you’re OK with more deaths in Ukraine then I guess Europe’s strategy will work for you. But there’s no reason for the US to keep committing resources with nothing in return.

I'm NOT ok with more deaths in Ukraine. So, yeah, I support us being OUT OF IT.

 

[luiza]

making the ascii rounds now>>>>


Many of you probably watched what took place between Donald Trump and Zelenskyy tonight. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, you might be thinking to yourself, Oh my God, Donald Trump just screwed up.
However, as a lifelong practitioner of martial arts, strategy, and philosophy, let me explain the difference between what you believe you witnessed and what actually happened.

Donald Trump has been under constant political persecution since the beginning of his first term. Over time, he has learned to be patient and calculated.
Tonight, Zelenskyy was invited to the Oval Office. However, both Trump and JD Vance knew exactly what Zelenskyy was going to do—he would use this opportunity, in front of the American people, to make a power play. Both Trump and Vance anticipated this.

When Zelenskyy began appealing to the emotions of the American people, JD Vance stepped in, accusing him of disrespecting Donald Trump. This was brilliant strategy. It’s important to understand that Zelenskyy is trying to gain access to NATO.
Trump knew this but could not allow it to happen. If Ukraine joins NATO, the U.S. would be bound by NATO’s collective defense agreement—an attack on one is an attack on all.

Now consider the larger implications: Ukraine and Russia despise each other. If Ukraine were to become a NATO member, any future skirmish between them would obligate the U.S. to enter into direct conflict with Russia. This would mean World War III. And if that happened, China would have to choose a side—they would almost certainly align with Russia.

So what you witnessed tonight was a setup. Trump and JD Vance knew that the only way to achieve peace was to strategically align, at least on the surface, with Russia. Why? Because Russia would never sign a peace treaty if Ukraine were admitted into NATO.

This is why Trump dismantled Zelenskyy’s argument. And when Zelenskyy, seeing his play failing, tried to backtrack and offer a treaty, Trump refused.
Zelenskyy’s real intent was clear—he would not agree to peace unless security guarantees were in place. But what was he actually saying? That NATO must accept Ukraine. However, Russia would never agree to peace, knowing that NATO, their historical adversary, would surround them.

Zelenskyy, Putin, and Trump all knew this. Zelenskyy, thinking he had Democratic support, believed he could make this bold move on live television. But Trump and Vance saw right through it and outmaneuvered him.
They knew that, in the short term, Democrats and the media would try to use this moment against them. But they also knew they had two years before midterms to prove their strategy was the right one. So they held their ground—brilliantly so.

Now, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to back down and accept Trump's terms. But here’s the genius part—Trump is actually protecting Ukraine without dragging the U.S. into war.
By negotiating a mineral deal, Trump ensures that Americans will be involved in Ukraine’s mining industry. This prevents Russia from launching an invasion, because attacking Ukraine would mean endangering American lives—something that would force the U.S. to respond.

Trump played both sides like a master chess player. In the end, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to concede, because without U.S. support, Ukraine cannot win a prolonged war against Russia. And once U.S. companies have mining operations in Ukraine, Putin will be unable to attack without triggering massive international consequences.

Don’t underestimate Donald Trump. In this game of chess, he’s 10 moves ahead of everyone.

~S~

This subject obviously stirred you and your post is your longest ever and is a brilliant one because it is accurate . Thanks .
I also believe this is effectively the end of that disgusting little man but I am not sure how Pooty and Trumpfy will share the spoils whilst keeping a dozey EU quiet . It's doubtless a horrible thing to say , but the Ukeys themselves will just have to do as told because they have nobody with enough power to take on the two Titans . Macron and Starmer are Deep State minions anyhow and are probably instructed just to look and sound serious -- a fake opposition for Sheeple theatre

The way they sort matters and the speed that they choose to achieve it will , I hope, tell me their exact relationship and which is Deep State .
Neither , one or both .
I favour both at this precise point .

and cutting through a half dozen books on matters, I believe this to be the case because the next subject on the agenda will be Zero Point energy ;
and that needs a perfectly aligned strong Elite Team, if they are going to have any chance of creating the world they want .
Which means the total control of Sheeple and billions fewer of them .
But imho only .

 

[rightwinger]

Trump wants to get Putin to the table for a chance at immediate peace. Europe wants Ukraine to keep fighting. If you’re OK with more deaths in Ukraine then I guess Europe’s strategy will work for you. But there’s no reason for the US to keep committing resources with nothing in return.

Immediate peace to Trump means Putin keeps all captured land, no longer has to defend it, Ukraine pays the US $500 billion and sanctions are lifted

Why would Ukraine want that?

 

[luiza]

Immediate peace to Trump means Putin keeps all captured land, no longer has to defend it, Ukraine pays the US $500 billion and sanctions are lifted

Why would Ukraine want that?

Because they out of the game.
No pot
All gone

Except two little European mice telling them they can provide a few bodies , three tanks and some cutlery .

 

[Dogmaphobe]

There is a free world somewhere?

 

[Fang]

Immediate peace to Trump means Putin keeps all captured land, no longer has to defend it, Ukraine pays the US $500 billion and sanctions are lifted

Why would Ukraine want that?

We don’t know what territory would be lost until they come to the table. How many more people will die in the Ukraine war? European nations should commit troops.

 

[Delldude]

Immediate peace to Trump means Putin keeps all captured land, no longer has to defend it, Ukraine pays the US $500 billion and sanctions are lifted

Why would Ukraine want that?

Ukes want to go down fighting to the last man and sucker in NATO in the process.

Take it to the bank.

 

[Delldude]

European nations should commit troops.

Away we go.

And then expect the US to save their sorry asses.

 

[rightwinger]

Ukes want to go down fighting to the last man and sucker in NATO in the process.

Take it to the bank.

Ukes want to defend their sovereignty against an invader

Trump needs to explain…..if you stop defending yourself, I will do this

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

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For not doing what a two-bit failure like President Zelensky ...
Was telling him that he was going to have to do.

You might want to stop huffing paint ... Kemosabe ...
Because you have wandered a bit too far off the Reservation ...

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Trump can't make Z do anyting. And America as a whole was stunned by the Executive Offices acting like asses.

What is the approval rating for Trump berating Zelensky on Thursday?

Trump's approval rating has been a topic of discussion following his recent clash with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. According to a recent poll, both Trump and Zelensky share a 47 percent favorability rating among Americans. However, Trump's unfavorability rating is nearly double that of Zelensky's, with Trump at 49 percent and Zelensky at 28 percent1. The heated exchange between the two leaders has drawn mixed reactions, with some Trump supporters praising him and others expressing concern3. 1Newsweek | MSN2Newsweek | MSN3CNN

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

What is the approval rating for Trump berating Zelensky on Thursday?

Trump's approval rating has been a topic of discussion following his recent clash with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. According to a recent poll, both Trump and Zelensky share a 47 percent favorability rating among Americans. However, Trump's unfavorability rating is nearly double that of Zelensky's, with Trump at 49 percent and Zelensky at 28 percent1. The heated exchange between the two leaders has drawn mixed reactions, with some Trump supporters praising him and others expressing concern3.


1Newsweek | MSN2Newsweek | MSN3CNN

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Trump wants to get Putin to the table for a chance at immediate peace. Europe wants Ukraine to keep fighting. If you’re OK with more deaths in Ukraine then I guess Europe’s strategy will work for you. But there’s no reason for the US to keep committing resources with nothing in return.

This is Ukraine's deal and minerals.

Trump acted stupidly.

 

[Woodznutz]

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk sent a message to Zelenskyy insisting, “Dear Ukrainian friends, you are not alone,” while the office of Sweden's prime minister said: “You are not only fighting for your freedom but also for all of Europe’s.”

The Czech Republic, Spain, Latvia and Lithuania all sent similar messages of support.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen tweeted: “Be strong, be brave, be fearless. You are never alone, dear President@ZelenskyyUa.” In coordinated communication, the presidents of the European Council and Parliament sent out the same message.

Belgian Prime Minister Bart De Wever stressed that his country stood behind Ukraine, saying “their fight is our fight,” while Dutch Foreign Minister Caspar Veldkamp underlined support for Ukraine would come in the form of “whatever it takes, for as long as it takes.”

Did they tell Zelensky when they would be sending troops?

 

[luiza]

There is a free world somewhere?

Forgetting desert islands , where?
Not convinced I can think of any place .

 

[sparky]

Ukes want to defend their sovereignty against an invader

fine, let 'em pay their way.....~S~

 

[Woodznutz]

Zelensky: "We'll fight to the last Ukranian."
The Ukrainians: "Wait, what?!"

 

[luiza]

We don’t know what territory would be lost until they come to the table. How many more people will die in the Ukraine war? European nations should commit troops.

Not sure they have enough , and presently Russia has total air control through their Hyper Sonic Missiles and based on the last two years , NATO has no good combat tanks .US Abrams and German Leopards were next to useless .

 

[Delldude]

Ukes want to defend their sovereignty against an invader

They want to get even........and will use every means necessary to do it. That's why getting NATO boots on the ground is so important.

Trump needs to explain…..if you stop defending yourself, I will do this

He did and Z didn't want to hear it.

 

[Woodznutz]

Not sure they have enough , and presently Russia has total air control through their Hyper Sonic Missiles and based on the last two years , NATO has no good combat tanks .US Abrams and German Leopards were next to useless .

"Well, maybe they should have armed themselves." -William Munny.

 

[luiza]

They want to get even........and will use every means necessary to do it. That's why getting NATO boots on the ground is so important.

To do what?
Pooty aimed to have 1.5 million fighters available by this summer .
Do you want NATO to be humiliated for nothing?

Far better to wait and see what the two Boss Men think is the best deal , assess whom they are really fighting for and then act appropriately .
If they are both Deep State they will close down Ukraine as a war zone and move on to their next piece of theatre , back to the ME perhaps.
Then their overall strategy becomes clearer and you will see what other delights they might be planning in front of Zero Point Energy disclosure . Another Fake Pandemic, for example . Even a Fake Alien invasion .