The Free World needs a new leader

[Missourian]

Actually, the free world needs a new military, and economic alliance, minus the US.

This will devastate the US economy, and end intelligence relationships that puts the US national security in extreme danger.

It will create a new arms race, that will slowly diminish the need for US weapons, which further erodes our economy, and safety in the world.

In short, the rest of the free world can do to the US what it did to Russia during the Cold War. An isolated country, which is devastating to a free market based economic power.

Please do this. Solve your own problems with Russia, and spend your own money doing it.

 

[BlackSand]

There is an aggressor, which is Russia and a people who have suffered aggression, which is Ukraine,” said French President Emmanuel Macron, hitting back at Trump’s attempts to treat the two sides evenly. “You have to respect those who have been fighting since the beginning because they are fighting for their dignity, their independence, for their children, and for the security of Europe.”

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Looks like Macron wants the job ... Might as well see what he's got.

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[BlackSand]

Leave Ukraine. Return all territory you took illegally. Return all of its citizens.

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What do you think the chances of that happening are in the hands of President Zelensky ...
Or even with help from President Macron?

I mean I tried to look it up ... And no one but Zelensky and you think that is going to happen so far ...
And President Zelensky doesn't have the manpower to win against Russia.

President Zelensky says he won't Surrender ... And President Putin is probably not going to either ...
So are you going to put on your Superman cape and go show them how that's going to happen?

Who exactly do you think has the leverage, power, or persuasion to make what you suggested happen ...
Much less be more than just a stupid idea?

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[Delldude]

There is an aggressor, which is Russia and a people who have suffered aggression, which is Ukraine,” said French President Emmanuel Macron, hitting back at Trump’s attempts to treat the two sides evenly. “You have to respect those who have been fighting since the beginning because they are fighting for their dignity, their independence, for their children, and for the security of Europe.”

You don't get to the negotiating table calling each other names.

Take it a step further..........Z just got $260 million from the EU, money for peace talks????

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

All of the Republican Congress are cowards and lapdogs, because they value the power of their seat more than the future of this great country. Trump has overplayed his hand for the first time for real when talking about what's happening with Ukraine and Russia, and this might break the dam of those who have allowed ignorance and hubris to rule their decision making. The time is coming to use the XXVA to remove Trump.

 

[BlackSand]

All of the Republican Congress are cowards and lapdogs, because they value the power of their seat more than the future of this great country. Trump has overplayed his hand for the first time for real when talking about what's happening with Ukraine and Russia, and this might break the dam of those who have allowed ignorance and hubris to rule their decision making. The time is coming to use the XXVA to remove Trump.

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You should contact your Representatives on Capitol Hill and tell them to get that ball rolling ...
Although it will probably work out just as well as President Zelensky's plan did.

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[John Edgar Slow Horses]

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You should contact your Representatives on Capitol Hill and tell them to get that ball rolling ...
Although it will probably work out just as well as President Zelensky's plan did.

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It was Trump's plan that failed:

` no deal for rare metals
` no peace

 

[Delldude]

All of the Republican Congress are cowards and lapdogs, because they value the power of their seat more than the future of this great country.

That why Pelosi let dems in critical states with upcoming elections, vote no on crucial bills so they wouldn't piss of their constituents?

 

[BlackSand]

It was Trump's plan that failed:

` no deal for rare metals
` no peace

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President Zelensky wasn't interested in Peace ... Not even peace with our President ...
And didn't get anything but escorted out the door.
But hey ... Hitch your wagon to that loser if you feel like it ...

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[John Edgar Slow Horses]

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President Zelensky wasn't interested in Peace ... Not even peace with our President ...
And didn't get anything but escorted out the door.
But hey ... Hitch your wagon to that loser if you feel like it ...

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President Trump ended up a fool.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

So, you hate America.

Supplying them indefinately will bankrupt us and destroy the USA.

Go fuck yourself.

I don't hear any whining about the constant steam of $$$, we send to Israel, and the US has been doing that for decades.
Republicans were responsible for the longest war in US history.

 

[luiza]

After over 80 years of US leadership of the Free World, Trump has aligned the US with the policies of Putin.
The rest of the world can no longer trust us to do what is right.

European leaders on Friday rallied to defend Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy after United States President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance subjected him to a tirade of withering and infantilizing abuse in the Oval Office.

European Union foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas said: “Today, it became clear that the free world needs a new leader. It’s up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge.”

Obviously a real hopeless OP .

When you base an argument on a single premiss , you must ensure that this hoped for logical rock is exactly that, and not some airy -fairy nonsense based on an out of date piece of romantic drivel .

Namely , your idea of What and Where the Free World has been/is /might be .
If you believe that the US or Europe or both could or should represent it , you need to demonstrate Why that could and should be the case .
You ignore that basic need .
You just make an arbitrary assumption .

But you are so lost that you separately even deny the existence of Deep State .
And I have no time to deal with individuals locked into so much mental confusion and literal trauma.

 

[22lcidw]

I don't hear any whining about the constant steam of $$$, we send to Israel, and the US has been doing that for decades.
Republicans were responsible for the longest war in US history.

When the left-wing Jews in politics start sounding that alarm and denying aid then there will be a start of belief. Eventually right-wing people will spew what you do about Israel after your party becomes totally anti-Israel.

 

[rightwinger]

Obviously a real hopeless OP .

When you base an argument on a single premiss , you must ensure that this hoped for logical rock is exactly that, and not some airy -fairy nonsense based on an out of date piece of romantic drivel .

Namely , your idea of What and Where the Free World has been/is /might be .
If you believe that the US or Europe or both could or should represent it , you need to demonstrate Why that could and should be the case .
You ignore that basic need .
You just make an arbitrary assumption .

But you are so lost that you separately even deny the existence of Deep State .
And I have no time to deal with individuals locked into so much mental confusion and literal trauma.

Who runs the DEEP STATE?

 

[Delldude]

President Trump ended up a fool.

UK will wear that hat.

 

[BlackSand]

President Trump ended up a fool.

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For not doing what a two-bit failure like President Zelensky ...
Was telling him that he was going to have to do.

You might want to stop huffing paint ... Kemosabe ...
Because you have wandered a bit too far off the Reservation ...

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[Correll]

It was Trump's plan that failed:

` no deal for rare metals
` no peace

This seems to be the time for you to start making predictions about how well this will work out and how it will make trump look the fool.

After all, we all know that the europeans are the grown ups in the room and have the men and economy to replace the US's support.

And Zelenski knows he has the men he needs, He totally dismissed Trump and Vance. LOL. Stupids.


So, you should start a thread and go on record about how well you think, no make that KNOW it will go, because trump lost.

 

[sparky]

making the ascii rounds now>>>>


Many of you probably watched what took place between Donald Trump and Zelenskyy tonight. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, you might be thinking to yourself, Oh my God, Donald Trump just screwed up.
However, as a lifelong practitioner of martial arts, strategy, and philosophy, let me explain the difference between what you believe you witnessed and what actually happened.

Donald Trump has been under constant political persecution since the beginning of his first term. Over time, he has learned to be patient and calculated.
Tonight, Zelenskyy was invited to the Oval Office. However, both Trump and JD Vance knew exactly what Zelenskyy was going to do—he would use this opportunity, in front of the American people, to make a power play. Both Trump and Vance anticipated this.

When Zelenskyy began appealing to the emotions of the American people, JD Vance stepped in, accusing him of disrespecting Donald Trump. This was brilliant strategy. It’s important to understand that Zelenskyy is trying to gain access to NATO.
Trump knew this but could not allow it to happen. If Ukraine joins NATO, the U.S. would be bound by NATO’s collective defense agreement—an attack on one is an attack on all.

Now consider the larger implications: Ukraine and Russia despise each other. If Ukraine were to become a NATO member, any future skirmish between them would obligate the U.S. to enter into direct conflict with Russia. This would mean World War III. And if that happened, China would have to choose a side—they would almost certainly align with Russia.

So what you witnessed tonight was a setup. Trump and JD Vance knew that the only way to achieve peace was to strategically align, at least on the surface, with Russia. Why? Because Russia would never sign a peace treaty if Ukraine were admitted into NATO.

This is why Trump dismantled Zelenskyy’s argument. And when Zelenskyy, seeing his play failing, tried to backtrack and offer a treaty, Trump refused.
Zelenskyy’s real intent was clear—he would not agree to peace unless security guarantees were in place. But what was he actually saying? That NATO must accept Ukraine. However, Russia would never agree to peace, knowing that NATO, their historical adversary, would surround them.

Zelenskyy, Putin, and Trump all knew this. Zelenskyy, thinking he had Democratic support, believed he could make this bold move on live television. But Trump and Vance saw right through it and outmaneuvered him.
They knew that, in the short term, Democrats and the media would try to use this moment against them. But they also knew they had two years before midterms to prove their strategy was the right one. So they held their ground—brilliantly so.

Now, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to back down and accept Trump's terms. But here’s the genius part—Trump is actually protecting Ukraine without dragging the U.S. into war.
By negotiating a mineral deal, Trump ensures that Americans will be involved in Ukraine’s mining industry. This prevents Russia from launching an invasion, because attacking Ukraine would mean endangering American lives—something that would force the U.S. to respond.

Trump played both sides like a master chess player. In the end, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to concede, because without U.S. support, Ukraine cannot win a prolonged war against Russia. And once U.S. companies have mining operations in Ukraine, Putin will be unable to attack without triggering massive international consequences.

Don’t underestimate Donald Trump. In this game of chess, he’s 10 moves ahead of everyone.

~S~

 

[luiza]

Who runs the DEEP STATE?

Have you any idea how work is carried out in Projects which are classified as ABOVE TOP SECRET ?
Even an inkling?
Then you have your answer .
Everything is 100% compartmentalised on a NEED TO KNOW basis .
Every whistleblower who has ever come forward from any Black Project or Shadow Government area will tell you that.

And as you begin to research and begin to see how continuity is preserved, you realise the importance of specific families and their bloodlines .
Very obvious and generally recognised families are the Jewish ones from the Banking and Energy sectors .

And as you dig even deeper you appreciate how and when the Deep State was created ; and that it was a project coming from a specific ethnic group in a specific area because at that time they had mastered sea travel trading routes and had taken control of key natural resources .

Not something you are going to begin to usefully understand without years of work .
Twenty five years in my case and I am sure that I still know very little .

 

[Fang]

There is an aggressor, which is Russia and a people who have suffered aggression, which is Ukraine,” said French President Emmanuel Macron, hitting back at Trump’s attempts to treat the two sides evenly. “You have to respect those who have been fighting since the beginning because they are fighting for their dignity, their independence, for their children, and for the security of Europe.”

Trump wants to get Putin to the table for a chance at immediate peace. Europe wants Ukraine to keep fighting. If you’re OK with more deaths in Ukraine then I guess Europe’s strategy will work for you. But there’s no reason for the US to keep committing resources with nothing in return.