The Flag of Treason

[JustAGuy1]

Flag of Treason

 

[Asclepias]

LOL go fly your rainbow flag you gay faggot. As for the Confederate flag it is NOT treasonous as it does not exists anymore and all the confederates were pardoned. It is simply a historical flag of our past. Remind me do you support BLM in tearing down Washington's statue, Lincoln? Remind me again who is the traitor?

I thought confederates and kkk etc, were Democrats? So why are Republicans fighting to keep a flag belonging to Democrats up?

Because Republicans aren’t fascist scum like you Dimwingers.

Because Democrats of slavery and the kkk have switched parties with the Republicans is more likely.... y'all try to blame the Dems of today for past sins, but it's really the ancestors of today's Republicans in the South's past sins... is what seems obvious, to me....

Which party had a KKK leader serving in the Senate until 2010?

That would be YOUR racist party.

Which party had a KKK leader serving in the Senate until 2010?

That would be YOUR racist party.

Derp...
The former confederate states are all conservative red states, dope.
Did the ideology of the populations of those states change or just their party affiliation?

Southern states wised up and sent YOUR racist party packing.

Southern states wised up and sent YOUR racist party packing.

LOL...
Bruh...that is some dumb shit.
Yes, the party name is racist. Not the people.

Those who make up your party are racists.

HTH.

Yet your party is the one that prays at racist statues.

 

[bripat9643]

It wasn't an act of war, nimrod. Ft Sumter was SC territory. Firing on your own territory is not an act of war, period.

Title had passed to the US government.

"Title" means it's just a piece of property. Walmart is not a separate country. It's part of the state where I live. It has the same exact kind of "title" to the property it sits on as the federal government had with respect to Ft Sumter. It's part of South Carolina. Of course you will idiotically continue to post this already debunked claim because otherwise you will have to admit that the federal government made war on the State of South Carolina.

Actually RETARD the US Government is different then the State and while it may allow some state laws to be enforced reserves the right to make it that FEDERAL law applies to that property, go ahead and go to a US Base and READ the sign posted before you enter.

Wrong, turd, the federal government cannot treat the property of Ft Sumter differnt than it can treat the property of any other state. The federal government cannot just nullify state laws.

Your claim is 100% bullshit.

LOL a State has NO authority on Federal land EXCEPT what the Federal Government cedes to it. Try this dumb ass if a Military member commits a crime on federal property Federal NOT state authorities have jurisdiction and a Military Court determines the punishment.

That was a Federal claim at the time and one of the things that was thought to be a violation of States' rights. After secession the CSA was the federal government of SC.

Wrong the Constitution is clear the President and Congress CAN declare martial law and order troops to put down insurrection. If as you claim anyone at any time can simply declare they are no longer part of the US then there would be NO such clause as it would be meaningless.

Secession is not insurrection.

Nothing in the Constitution says that states cannot secede from the Union.

That ass whooping said you couldnt secede. Give it a rest. The south will never rise again.

Another idiot who doesn't get the point.

The point was that you inbreds lost the war. Now youre trying to make it seem like it was something noble. No. You just got your asses kicked and every since then its been one ass kicking after another.

My ancestors were never in the war, moron. They're Irish and Canadian immigrants.

The discussion here is about whether a state can secede. You aren't even participating in it. You're just making cracks from the sidelines.

"The discussion here is about whether a state can secede. "

The answer is emphatically "hell no". if you try again we will just beat your asses again. Move your ass back to europe if you want to secede.

discussing anything with you is a complete waste of time. Now go away.

Still here. Again no where in the constitution does it say you clowns had a right to secede.

That's not required, shit for brains. You have a right to anything that isn't prohibited.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The Constitution SPECIFICALLY cedes to the Federal Government the right authority and power to determine whether a State is in fact meeting the demands of the governed people via the TYPE of Government the State has. Succession does in fact equate to insurrection under the terms of the Constitution as written.

Really? Where does it say that?

Look, just admit that secession was NOT a clear matter prior to the Civil War. States voluntarily joined a union and kept their sovereignty under the Constitution. Before the war, it was VERY MUCH an unclear matter of law.

Here ya go dumb ass.

Section 4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Article IV

Constitution of the United States

View the full United States Constitution, Bill of Rights, and all Amendments online. Additional summaries and explanations.

constitutionus.com

Oh my GOD.

How is the United States guaranteeing States that IT will be a Republican form of government and protecting against foreign invasions relevant to a State's relationship with the Union? How is the United States' guarantee to a State to protect that State against "domestic violence" relevant to a State remaining in the Union?

You are obviously NOT a constitutional scholar. That was not even the justification, nor could it have been. That is RETARDED!!!

The argument the Union used was loosely based on the preamble stating that the States were entering a "Perpetual Union" the implication being that not only would it would last forever without needing renewal, BUT that the States surrendered the choice to leave. COMPLETE BULLSHIT. Perpetual means that it does not need to be renewed. It does NOT mean "you can't leave."

The Constitution doesn't say anything about a "perpetual union." The Articles of Confederation said that, and those became obsolete the minute the Constitution was approved.

Right. I was arguing under the incorrect ASSUMPTION that the "perpetual union" means that it survives REPLACEMENT of the AoC (which is an incorrect legal argument). Even if it were true that the union is "perpetual" that does not mean it cannot be rescinded.

 

[bripat9643]

It wasn't an act of war, nimrod. Ft Sumter was SC territory. Firing on your own territory is not an act of war, period.

Title had passed to the US government.

"Title" means it's just a piece of property. Walmart is not a separate country. It's part of the state where I live. It has the same exact kind of "title" to the property it sits on as the federal government had with respect to Ft Sumter. It's part of South Carolina. Of course you will idiotically continue to post this already debunked claim because otherwise you will have to admit that the federal government made war on the State of South Carolina.

Actually RETARD the US Government is different then the State and while it may allow some state laws to be enforced reserves the right to make it that FEDERAL law applies to that property, go ahead and go to a US Base and READ the sign posted before you enter.

Wrong, turd, the federal government cannot treat the property of Ft Sumter differnt than it can treat the property of any other state. The federal government cannot just nullify state laws.

Your claim is 100% bullshit.

LOL a State has NO authority on Federal land EXCEPT what the Federal Government cedes to it. Try this dumb ass if a Military member commits a crime on federal property Federal NOT state authorities have jurisdiction and a Military Court determines the punishment.

That was a Federal claim at the time and one of the things that was thought to be a violation of States' rights. After secession the CSA was the federal government of SC.

Wrong the Constitution is clear the President and Congress CAN declare martial law and order troops to put down insurrection. If as you claim anyone at any time can simply declare they are no longer part of the US then there would be NO such clause as it would be meaningless.

Secession is not insurrection.

Nothing in the Constitution says that states cannot secede from the Union.

That ass whooping said you couldnt secede. Give it a rest. The south will never rise again.

Maybe so but you took a very serious ass-whooping of your own to make it stick.

if you havent found something worth dying to gain then you havent lived. My ancestors killed up some racist honkys so I could be free.

If you are black it is much more likely that it was my white ancestors who did that deed. Somehow you don't seem all that grateful.

Your white ancestors didnt fight to free me. They fought to keep the union together and make sure the south didnt start enslaving other whites.

Your black ancestors didn't fight to free you either, moron.

Of course they did. They killed a bunch of honkys to make sure I wouldnt have to be born a slave.

ROFL! There were a few thousand of them. Can you prove they actually killed anyone?

You're only proving that you're a thuggish ignoramus.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

It wasn't an act of war, nimrod. Ft Sumter was SC territory. Firing on your own territory is not an act of war, period.

Title had passed to the US government.

"Title" means it's just a piece of property. Walmart is not a separate country. It's part of the state where I live. It has the same exact kind of "title" to the property it sits on as the federal government had with respect to Ft Sumter. It's part of South Carolina. Of course you will idiotically continue to post this already debunked claim because otherwise you will have to admit that the federal government made war on the State of South Carolina.

Actually RETARD the US Government is different then the State and while it may allow some state laws to be enforced reserves the right to make it that FEDERAL law applies to that property, go ahead and go to a US Base and READ the sign posted before you enter.

Wrong, turd, the federal government cannot treat the property of Ft Sumter differnt than it can treat the property of any other state. The federal government cannot just nullify state laws.

Your claim is 100% bullshit.

LOL a State has NO authority on Federal land EXCEPT what the Federal Government cedes to it. Try this dumb ass if a Military member commits a crime on federal property Federal NOT state authorities have jurisdiction and a Military Court determines the punishment.

That was a Federal claim at the time and one of the things that was thought to be a violation of States' rights. After secession the CSA was the federal government of SC.

Wrong the Constitution is clear the President and Congress CAN declare martial law and order troops to put down insurrection. If as you claim anyone at any time can simply declare they are no longer part of the US then there would be NO such clause as it would be meaningless.

Secession is not insurrection.

Nothing in the Constitution says that states cannot secede from the Union.

That ass whooping said you couldnt secede. Give it a rest. The south will never rise again.

Maybe so but you took a very serious ass-whooping of your own to make it stick.

if you havent found something worth dying to gain then you havent lived. My ancestors killed up some racist honkys so I could be free.

If you are black it is much more likely that it was my white ancestors who did that deed. Somehow you don't seem all that grateful.

Your white ancestors didnt fight to free me. They fought to keep the union together and make sure the south didnt start enslaving other whites.

That is true in part. I don't know about enslaving white people, but the general aim was to keep the union together.

 

[Asclepias]

It wasn't an act of war, nimrod. Ft Sumter was SC territory. Firing on your own territory is not an act of war, period.

Title had passed to the US government.

"Title" means it's just a piece of property. Walmart is not a separate country. It's part of the state where I live. It has the same exact kind of "title" to the property it sits on as the federal government had with respect to Ft Sumter. It's part of South Carolina. Of course you will idiotically continue to post this already debunked claim because otherwise you will have to admit that the federal government made war on the State of South Carolina.

Actually RETARD the US Government is different then the State and while it may allow some state laws to be enforced reserves the right to make it that FEDERAL law applies to that property, go ahead and go to a US Base and READ the sign posted before you enter.

Wrong, turd, the federal government cannot treat the property of Ft Sumter differnt than it can treat the property of any other state. The federal government cannot just nullify state laws.

Your claim is 100% bullshit.

LOL a State has NO authority on Federal land EXCEPT what the Federal Government cedes to it. Try this dumb ass if a Military member commits a crime on federal property Federal NOT state authorities have jurisdiction and a Military Court determines the punishment.

That was a Federal claim at the time and one of the things that was thought to be a violation of States' rights. After secession the CSA was the federal government of SC.

Wrong the Constitution is clear the President and Congress CAN declare martial law and order troops to put down insurrection. If as you claim anyone at any time can simply declare they are no longer part of the US then there would be NO such clause as it would be meaningless.

Secession is not insurrection.

Nothing in the Constitution says that states cannot secede from the Union.

That ass whooping said you couldnt secede. Give it a rest. The south will never rise again.

Another idiot who doesn't get the point.

The point was that you inbreds lost the war. Now youre trying to make it seem like it was something noble. No. You just got your asses kicked and every since then its been one ass kicking after another.

My ancestors were never in the war, moron. They're Irish and Canadian immigrants.

The discussion here is about whether a state can secede. You aren't even participating in it. You're just making cracks from the sidelines.

"The discussion here is about whether a state can secede. "

The answer is emphatically "hell no". if you try again we will just beat your asses again. Move your ass back to europe if you want to secede.

discussing anything with you is a complete waste of time. Now go away.

Still here. Again no where in the constitution does it say you clowns had a right to secede.

Nowhere does it state that you don't. You don't know how the law works? Whatever isn't specificially prohibited is permitted, not as you believe that only that which is specifically allowed is allowed. Yours is the understanding of a Stalinist.

Obviously it wasnt permitted which is why you suffered such a beat down.

 

[JustAGuy1]

It wasn't an act of war, nimrod. Ft Sumter was SC territory. Firing on your own territory is not an act of war, period.

Title had passed to the US government.

"Title" means it's just a piece of property. Walmart is not a separate country. It's part of the state where I live. It has the same exact kind of "title" to the property it sits on as the federal government had with respect to Ft Sumter. It's part of South Carolina. Of course you will idiotically continue to post this already debunked claim because otherwise you will have to admit that the federal government made war on the State of South Carolina.

Actually RETARD the US Government is different then the State and while it may allow some state laws to be enforced reserves the right to make it that FEDERAL law applies to that property, go ahead and go to a US Base and READ the sign posted before you enter.

Wrong, turd, the federal government cannot treat the property of Ft Sumter differnt than it can treat the property of any other state. The federal government cannot just nullify state laws.

Your claim is 100% bullshit.

LOL a State has NO authority on Federal land EXCEPT what the Federal Government cedes to it. Try this dumb ass if a Military member commits a crime on federal property Federal NOT state authorities have jurisdiction and a Military Court determines the punishment.

That was a Federal claim at the time and one of the things that was thought to be a violation of States' rights. After secession the CSA was the federal government of SC.

Wrong the Constitution is clear the President and Congress CAN declare martial law and order troops to put down insurrection. If as you claim anyone at any time can simply declare they are no longer part of the US then there would be NO such clause as it would be meaningless.

Secession is not insurrection.

Nothing in the Constitution says that states cannot secede from the Union.

That ass whooping said you couldnt secede. Give it a rest. The south will never rise again.

Maybe so but you took a very serious ass-whooping of your own to make it stick.

if you havent found something worth dying to gain then you havent lived. My ancestors killed up some racist honkys so I could be free.

If you are black it is much more likely that it was my white ancestors who did that deed. Somehow you don't seem all that grateful.

Your white ancestors didnt fight to free me. They fought to keep the union together and make sure the south didnt start enslaving other whites.

Your black ancestors didn't fight to free you either, moron.

Of course they did. They killed a bunch of honkys to make sure I wouldnt have to be born a slave.

ROFL! There were a few thousand of them. Can you prove they actually killed anyone?

You're only proving that you're a thuggish ignoramus.

Asslips is an abject liar.

 

[Nostra]

It wasn't an act of war, nimrod. Ft Sumter was SC territory. Firing on your own territory is not an act of war, period.

Title had passed to the US government.

"Title" means it's just a piece of property. Walmart is not a separate country. It's part of the state where I live. It has the same exact kind of "title" to the property it sits on as the federal government had with respect to Ft Sumter. It's part of South Carolina. Of course you will idiotically continue to post this already debunked claim because otherwise you will have to admit that the federal government made war on the State of South Carolina.

Actually RETARD the US Government is different then the State and while it may allow some state laws to be enforced reserves the right to make it that FEDERAL law applies to that property, go ahead and go to a US Base and READ the sign posted before you enter.

Wrong, turd, the federal government cannot treat the property of Ft Sumter differnt than it can treat the property of any other state. The federal government cannot just nullify state laws.

Your claim is 100% bullshit.

LOL a State has NO authority on Federal land EXCEPT what the Federal Government cedes to it. Try this dumb ass if a Military member commits a crime on federal property Federal NOT state authorities have jurisdiction and a Military Court determines the punishment.

That was a Federal claim at the time and one of the things that was thought to be a violation of States' rights. After secession the CSA was the federal government of SC.

Wrong the Constitution is clear the President and Congress CAN declare martial law and order troops to put down insurrection. If as you claim anyone at any time can simply declare they are no longer part of the US then there would be NO such clause as it would be meaningless.

Secession is not insurrection.

Nothing in the Constitution says that states cannot secede from the Union.

That ass whooping said you couldnt secede. Give it a rest. The south will never rise again.

Another idiot who doesn't get the point.

The point was that you inbreds lost the war. Now youre trying to make it seem like it was something noble. No. You just got your asses kicked and every since then its been one ass kicking after another.

My ancestors were never in the war, moron. They're Irish and Canadian immigrants.

The discussion here is about whether a state can secede. You aren't even participating in it. You're just making cracks from the sidelines.

"The discussion here is about whether a state can secede. "

The answer is emphatically "hell no". if you try again we will just beat your asses again. Move your ass back to europe if you want to secede.

But, at the time, it was still a question. It was still not clear.

The issue was settled by Brute force, not by facts and logic.

Good. Slavery was instituted by brute force. Not facts and logic.

Slaves in America were supplied by blacks in Africa.

 

[bripat9643]

It wasn't an act of war, nimrod. Ft Sumter was SC territory. Firing on your own territory is not an act of war, period.

Title had passed to the US government.

"Title" means it's just a piece of property. Walmart is not a separate country. It's part of the state where I live. It has the same exact kind of "title" to the property it sits on as the federal government had with respect to Ft Sumter. It's part of South Carolina. Of course you will idiotically continue to post this already debunked claim because otherwise you will have to admit that the federal government made war on the State of South Carolina.

Actually RETARD the US Government is different then the State and while it may allow some state laws to be enforced reserves the right to make it that FEDERAL law applies to that property, go ahead and go to a US Base and READ the sign posted before you enter.

Wrong, turd, the federal government cannot treat the property of Ft Sumter differnt than it can treat the property of any other state. The federal government cannot just nullify state laws.

Your claim is 100% bullshit.

LOL a State has NO authority on Federal land EXCEPT what the Federal Government cedes to it. Try this dumb ass if a Military member commits a crime on federal property Federal NOT state authorities have jurisdiction and a Military Court determines the punishment.

That was a Federal claim at the time and one of the things that was thought to be a violation of States' rights. After secession the CSA was the federal government of SC.

Wrong the Constitution is clear the President and Congress CAN declare martial law and order troops to put down insurrection. If as you claim anyone at any time can simply declare they are no longer part of the US then there would be NO such clause as it would be meaningless.

Secession is not insurrection.

Nothing in the Constitution says that states cannot secede from the Union.

That ass whooping said you couldnt secede. Give it a rest. The south will never rise again.

Another idiot who doesn't get the point.

The point was that you inbreds lost the war. Now youre trying to make it seem like it was something noble. No. You just got your asses kicked and every since then its been one ass kicking after another.

My ancestors were never in the war, moron. They're Irish and Canadian immigrants.

The discussion here is about whether a state can secede. You aren't even participating in it. You're just making cracks from the sidelines.

"The discussion here is about whether a state can secede. "

The answer is emphatically "hell no". if you try again we will just beat your asses again. Move your ass back to europe if you want to secede.

discussing anything with you is a complete waste of time. Now go away.

Still here. Again no where in the constitution does it say you clowns had a right to secede.

Nowhere does it state that you don't. You don't know how the law works? Whatever isn't specificially prohibited is permitted, not as you believe that only that which is specifically allowed is allowed. Yours is the understanding of a Stalinist.

Obviously it wasnt permitted which is why you suffered such a beat down.

Obviously it is permitted, moron. You're the only one suffering a beat-down.

 

[Nostra]

LOL go fly your rainbow flag you gay faggot. As for the Confederate flag it is NOT treasonous as it does not exists anymore and all the confederates were pardoned. It is simply a historical flag of our past. Remind me do you support BLM in tearing down Washington's statue, Lincoln? Remind me again who is the traitor?

I thought confederates and kkk etc, were Democrats? So why are Republicans fighting to keep a flag belonging to Democrats up?

Because Republicans aren’t fascist scum like you Dimwingers.

Because Democrats of slavery and the kkk have switched parties with the Republicans is more likely.... y'all try to blame the Dems of today for past sins, but it's really the ancestors of today's Republicans in the South's past sins... is what seems obvious, to me....

Which party had a KKK leader serving in the Senate until 2010?

That would be YOUR racist party.

Which party had a KKK leader serving in the Senate until 2010?

That would be YOUR racist party.

Derp...
The former confederate states are all conservative red states, dope.
Did the ideology of the populations of those states change or just their party affiliation?

Southern states wised up and sent YOUR racist party packing.

Southern states wised up and sent YOUR racist party packing.

LOL...
Bruh...that is some dumb shit.
Yes, the party name is racist. Not the people.

Those who make up your party are racists.

HTH.

Yet your party is the one that prays at racist statues.

Link to anyone praying to a "racist statue"?

After you find that, explain how a rock can be racist.

 

[Asclepias]

It wasn't an act of war, nimrod. Ft Sumter was SC territory. Firing on your own territory is not an act of war, period.

Title had passed to the US government.

"Title" means it's just a piece of property. Walmart is not a separate country. It's part of the state where I live. It has the same exact kind of "title" to the property it sits on as the federal government had with respect to Ft Sumter. It's part of South Carolina. Of course you will idiotically continue to post this already debunked claim because otherwise you will have to admit that the federal government made war on the State of South Carolina.

Actually RETARD the US Government is different then the State and while it may allow some state laws to be enforced reserves the right to make it that FEDERAL law applies to that property, go ahead and go to a US Base and READ the sign posted before you enter.

Wrong, turd, the federal government cannot treat the property of Ft Sumter differnt than it can treat the property of any other state. The federal government cannot just nullify state laws.

Your claim is 100% bullshit.

LOL a State has NO authority on Federal land EXCEPT what the Federal Government cedes to it. Try this dumb ass if a Military member commits a crime on federal property Federal NOT state authorities have jurisdiction and a Military Court determines the punishment.

That was a Federal claim at the time and one of the things that was thought to be a violation of States' rights. After secession the CSA was the federal government of SC.

Wrong the Constitution is clear the President and Congress CAN declare martial law and order troops to put down insurrection. If as you claim anyone at any time can simply declare they are no longer part of the US then there would be NO such clause as it would be meaningless.

Secession is not insurrection.

Nothing in the Constitution says that states cannot secede from the Union.

That ass whooping said you couldnt secede. Give it a rest. The south will never rise again.

Maybe so but you took a very serious ass-whooping of your own to make it stick.

if you havent found something worth dying to gain then you havent lived. My ancestors killed up some racist honkys so I could be free.

If you are black it is much more likely that it was my white ancestors who did that deed. Somehow you don't seem all that grateful.

Your white ancestors didnt fight to free me. They fought to keep the union together and make sure the south didnt start enslaving other whites.

Your black ancestors didn't fight to free you either, moron.

Of course they did. They killed a bunch of honkys to make sure I wouldnt have to be born a slave.

ROFL! There were a few thousand of them. Can you prove they actually killed anyone?

You're only proving that you're a thuggish ignoramus.

Prove to who? I dont prove things to inferiors. Its none of my business if you believe me or not. Just make sure you dont fuck up and start another war. Personal attack removed

 

[bripat9643]

It wasn't an act of war, nimrod. Ft Sumter was SC territory. Firing on your own territory is not an act of war, period.

Title had passed to the US government.

"Title" means it's just a piece of property. Walmart is not a separate country. It's part of the state where I live. It has the same exact kind of "title" to the property it sits on as the federal government had with respect to Ft Sumter. It's part of South Carolina. Of course you will idiotically continue to post this already debunked claim because otherwise you will have to admit that the federal government made war on the State of South Carolina.

Actually RETARD the US Government is different then the State and while it may allow some state laws to be enforced reserves the right to make it that FEDERAL law applies to that property, go ahead and go to a US Base and READ the sign posted before you enter.

Wrong, turd, the federal government cannot treat the property of Ft Sumter differnt than it can treat the property of any other state. The federal government cannot just nullify state laws.

Your claim is 100% bullshit.

LOL a State has NO authority on Federal land EXCEPT what the Federal Government cedes to it. Try this dumb ass if a Military member commits a crime on federal property Federal NOT state authorities have jurisdiction and a Military Court determines the punishment.

That was a Federal claim at the time and one of the things that was thought to be a violation of States' rights. After secession the CSA was the federal government of SC.

Wrong the Constitution is clear the President and Congress CAN declare martial law and order troops to put down insurrection. If as you claim anyone at any time can simply declare they are no longer part of the US then there would be NO such clause as it would be meaningless.

Secession is not insurrection.

Nothing in the Constitution says that states cannot secede from the Union.

That ass whooping said you couldnt secede. Give it a rest. The south will never rise again.

Maybe so but you took a very serious ass-whooping of your own to make it stick.

if you havent found something worth dying to gain then you havent lived. My ancestors killed up some racist honkys so I could be free.

If you are black it is much more likely that it was my white ancestors who did that deed. Somehow you don't seem all that grateful.

Your white ancestors didnt fight to free me. They fought to keep the union together and make sure the south didnt start enslaving other whites.

Your black ancestors didn't fight to free you either, moron.

Of course they did. They killed a bunch of honkys to make sure I wouldnt have to be born a slave.

ROFL! There were a few thousand of them. Can you prove they actually killed anyone?

You're only proving that you're a thuggish ignoramus.

Prove to who? I dont prove things to inferiors. Its none of my business if you believe me or not. Just make sure you dont fuck up and start another war. This time you will have to deal with me personally.

If you're not trying to prove anything, then why are you here? Are you just howling at the moon?

You're actually telling me not to start a war?

What a fool.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

It wasn't an act of war, nimrod. Ft Sumter was SC territory. Firing on your own territory is not an act of war, period.

Title had passed to the US government.

"Title" means it's just a piece of property. Walmart is not a separate country. It's part of the state where I live. It has the same exact kind of "title" to the property it sits on as the federal government had with respect to Ft Sumter. It's part of South Carolina. Of course you will idiotically continue to post this already debunked claim because otherwise you will have to admit that the federal government made war on the State of South Carolina.

Actually RETARD the US Government is different then the State and while it may allow some state laws to be enforced reserves the right to make it that FEDERAL law applies to that property, go ahead and go to a US Base and READ the sign posted before you enter.

Wrong, turd, the federal government cannot treat the property of Ft Sumter differnt than it can treat the property of any other state. The federal government cannot just nullify state laws.

Your claim is 100% bullshit.

LOL a State has NO authority on Federal land EXCEPT what the Federal Government cedes to it. Try this dumb ass if a Military member commits a crime on federal property Federal NOT state authorities have jurisdiction and a Military Court determines the punishment.

That was a Federal claim at the time and one of the things that was thought to be a violation of States' rights. After secession the CSA was the federal government of SC.

Wrong the Constitution is clear the President and Congress CAN declare martial law and order troops to put down insurrection. If as you claim anyone at any time can simply declare they are no longer part of the US then there would be NO such clause as it would be meaningless.

Secession is not insurrection.

Nothing in the Constitution says that states cannot secede from the Union.

That ass whooping said you couldnt secede. Give it a rest. The south will never rise again.

Another idiot who doesn't get the point.

The point was that you inbreds lost the war. Now youre trying to make it seem like it was something noble. No. You just got your asses kicked and every since then its been one ass kicking after another.

My ancestors were never in the war, moron. They're Irish and Canadian immigrants.

The discussion here is about whether a state can secede. You aren't even participating in it. You're just making cracks from the sidelines.

"The discussion here is about whether a state can secede. "

The answer is emphatically "hell no". if you try again we will just beat your asses again. Move your ass back to europe if you want to secede.

discussing anything with you is a complete waste of time. Now go away.

Still here. Again no where in the constitution does it say you clowns had a right to secede.

You could imply it by how the States kept so much of their sovereignty.

So, where does it say States CAN'T leave?

 

[Asclepias]

LOL go fly your rainbow flag you gay faggot. As for the Confederate flag it is NOT treasonous as it does not exists anymore and all the confederates were pardoned. It is simply a historical flag of our past. Remind me do you support BLM in tearing down Washington's statue, Lincoln? Remind me again who is the traitor?

I thought confederates and kkk etc, were Democrats? So why are Republicans fighting to keep a flag belonging to Democrats up?

Because Republicans aren’t fascist scum like you Dimwingers.

Because Democrats of slavery and the kkk have switched parties with the Republicans is more likely.... y'all try to blame the Dems of today for past sins, but it's really the ancestors of today's Republicans in the South's past sins... is what seems obvious, to me....

Which party had a KKK leader serving in the Senate until 2010?

That would be YOUR racist party.

Which party had a KKK leader serving in the Senate until 2010?

That would be YOUR racist party.

Derp...
The former confederate states are all conservative red states, dope.
Did the ideology of the populations of those states change or just their party affiliation?

Southern states wised up and sent YOUR racist party packing.

Southern states wised up and sent YOUR racist party packing.

LOL...
Bruh...that is some dumb shit.
Yes, the party name is racist. Not the people.

Those who make up your party are racists.

HTH.

Yet your party is the one that prays at racist statues.

Link to anyone praying to a "racist statue"?

After you find that, explain how a rock can be racist.

Rocks cant be racist. Statues can. If you knew what a statue was then you wouldnt have asked such a retarded question.

 

[Asclepias]

It wasn't an act of war, nimrod. Ft Sumter was SC territory. Firing on your own territory is not an act of war, period.

Title had passed to the US government.

"Title" means it's just a piece of property. Walmart is not a separate country. It's part of the state where I live. It has the same exact kind of "title" to the property it sits on as the federal government had with respect to Ft Sumter. It's part of South Carolina. Of course you will idiotically continue to post this already debunked claim because otherwise you will have to admit that the federal government made war on the State of South Carolina.

Actually RETARD the US Government is different then the State and while it may allow some state laws to be enforced reserves the right to make it that FEDERAL law applies to that property, go ahead and go to a US Base and READ the sign posted before you enter.

Wrong, turd, the federal government cannot treat the property of Ft Sumter differnt than it can treat the property of any other state. The federal government cannot just nullify state laws.

Your claim is 100% bullshit.

LOL a State has NO authority on Federal land EXCEPT what the Federal Government cedes to it. Try this dumb ass if a Military member commits a crime on federal property Federal NOT state authorities have jurisdiction and a Military Court determines the punishment.

That was a Federal claim at the time and one of the things that was thought to be a violation of States' rights. After secession the CSA was the federal government of SC.

Wrong the Constitution is clear the President and Congress CAN declare martial law and order troops to put down insurrection. If as you claim anyone at any time can simply declare they are no longer part of the US then there would be NO such clause as it would be meaningless.

Secession is not insurrection.

Nothing in the Constitution says that states cannot secede from the Union.

That ass whooping said you couldnt secede. Give it a rest. The south will never rise again.

Maybe so but you took a very serious ass-whooping of your own to make it stick.

if you havent found something worth dying to gain then you havent lived. My ancestors killed up some racist honkys so I could be free.

If you are black it is much more likely that it was my white ancestors who did that deed. Somehow you don't seem all that grateful.

Your white ancestors didnt fight to free me. They fought to keep the union together and make sure the south didnt start enslaving other whites.

Your black ancestors didn't fight to free you either, moron.

Of course they did. They killed a bunch of honkys to make sure I wouldnt have to be born a slave.

ROFL! There were a few thousand of them. Can you prove they actually killed anyone?

You're only proving that you're a thuggish ignoramus.

Prove to who? I dont prove things to inferiors. Its none of my business if you believe me or not. Just make sure you dont fuck up and start another war. This time you will have to deal with me personally.

If you're not trying to prove anything, then why are you here? Are you just howling at the moon?

You're actually telling me not to start a war?

What a fool.

I'm here to laugh at you and point out every time I see you saying something stupid.

 

[Asclepias]

It wasn't an act of war, nimrod. Ft Sumter was SC territory. Firing on your own territory is not an act of war, period.

Title had passed to the US government.

"Title" means it's just a piece of property. Walmart is not a separate country. It's part of the state where I live. It has the same exact kind of "title" to the property it sits on as the federal government had with respect to Ft Sumter. It's part of South Carolina. Of course you will idiotically continue to post this already debunked claim because otherwise you will have to admit that the federal government made war on the State of South Carolina.

Actually RETARD the US Government is different then the State and while it may allow some state laws to be enforced reserves the right to make it that FEDERAL law applies to that property, go ahead and go to a US Base and READ the sign posted before you enter.

Wrong, turd, the federal government cannot treat the property of Ft Sumter differnt than it can treat the property of any other state. The federal government cannot just nullify state laws.

Your claim is 100% bullshit.

LOL a State has NO authority on Federal land EXCEPT what the Federal Government cedes to it. Try this dumb ass if a Military member commits a crime on federal property Federal NOT state authorities have jurisdiction and a Military Court determines the punishment.

That was a Federal claim at the time and one of the things that was thought to be a violation of States' rights. After secession the CSA was the federal government of SC.

Wrong the Constitution is clear the President and Congress CAN declare martial law and order troops to put down insurrection. If as you claim anyone at any time can simply declare they are no longer part of the US then there would be NO such clause as it would be meaningless.

Secession is not insurrection.

Nothing in the Constitution says that states cannot secede from the Union.

That ass whooping said you couldnt secede. Give it a rest. The south will never rise again.

Another idiot who doesn't get the point.

The point was that you inbreds lost the war. Now youre trying to make it seem like it was something noble. No. You just got your asses kicked and every since then its been one ass kicking after another.

My ancestors were never in the war, moron. They're Irish and Canadian immigrants.

The discussion here is about whether a state can secede. You aren't even participating in it. You're just making cracks from the sidelines.

"The discussion here is about whether a state can secede. "

The answer is emphatically "hell no". if you try again we will just beat your asses again. Move your ass back to europe if you want to secede.

discussing anything with you is a complete waste of time. Now go away.

Still here. Again no where in the constitution does it say you clowns had a right to secede.

You could imply it by how the States kept so much of their sovereignty.

So, where does it say States CAN'T leave?

The part where it says "indestructible union"

 

[9thIDdoc]

It wasn't an act of war, nimrod. Ft Sumter was SC territory. Firing on your own territory is not an act of war, period.

Title had passed to the US government.

"Title" means it's just a piece of property. Walmart is not a separate country. It's part of the state where I live. It has the same exact kind of "title" to the property it sits on as the federal government had with respect to Ft Sumter. It's part of South Carolina. Of course you will idiotically continue to post this already debunked claim because otherwise you will have to admit that the federal government made war on the State of South Carolina.

Actually RETARD the US Government is different then the State and while it may allow some state laws to be enforced reserves the right to make it that FEDERAL law applies to that property, go ahead and go to a US Base and READ the sign posted before you enter.

Wrong, turd, the federal government cannot treat the property of Ft Sumter differnt than it can treat the property of any other state. The federal government cannot just nullify state laws.

Your claim is 100% bullshit.

LOL a State has NO authority on Federal land EXCEPT what the Federal Government cedes to it. Try this dumb ass if a Military member commits a crime on federal property Federal NOT state authorities have jurisdiction and a Military Court determines the punishment.

That was a Federal claim at the time and one of the things that was thought to be a violation of States' rights. After secession the CSA was the federal government of SC.

Wrong the Constitution is clear the President and Congress CAN declare martial law and order troops to put down insurrection. If as you claim anyone at any time can simply declare they are no longer part of the US then there would be NO such clause as it would be meaningless.

Secession is not insurrection.

Nothing in the Constitution says that states cannot secede from the Union.

That ass whooping said you couldnt secede. Give it a rest. The south will never rise again.

Maybe so but you took a very serious ass-whooping of your own to make it stick.

if you havent found something worth dying to gain then you havent lived. My ancestors killed up some racist honkys so I could be free.

oh-----good-----they FREEED YOU. I am so glad
that you are happy now

Good thing I was born free. Thanks to my ancestors.

There would be a lot of dead white people had I made it to adulthood in that system.

It wasn't your ancestors that did it, moron. It was a bunch of white boys from the Midwest.

Nope. I had Black ancestors that fought in the Civil war and killed a bunch of honkys. 3 of them to be exact including a direct descendant.

Three KIA's doesn't win a war or free a people. It was mostly white boys that freed the blacks. And that includes some of my ancestors as well as your's. It is a shame that slaves weren't smart or strong enough to free themselves. It would have earned them some respect. Also would have saved a lot of dead white folks that you don't seem to appreciate.

 

[Asclepias]

It wasn't an act of war, nimrod. Ft Sumter was SC territory. Firing on your own territory is not an act of war, period.

Title had passed to the US government.

"Title" means it's just a piece of property. Walmart is not a separate country. It's part of the state where I live. It has the same exact kind of "title" to the property it sits on as the federal government had with respect to Ft Sumter. It's part of South Carolina. Of course you will idiotically continue to post this already debunked claim because otherwise you will have to admit that the federal government made war on the State of South Carolina.

Actually RETARD the US Government is different then the State and while it may allow some state laws to be enforced reserves the right to make it that FEDERAL law applies to that property, go ahead and go to a US Base and READ the sign posted before you enter.

Wrong, turd, the federal government cannot treat the property of Ft Sumter differnt than it can treat the property of any other state. The federal government cannot just nullify state laws.

Your claim is 100% bullshit.

LOL a State has NO authority on Federal land EXCEPT what the Federal Government cedes to it. Try this dumb ass if a Military member commits a crime on federal property Federal NOT state authorities have jurisdiction and a Military Court determines the punishment.

That was a Federal claim at the time and one of the things that was thought to be a violation of States' rights. After secession the CSA was the federal government of SC.

Wrong the Constitution is clear the President and Congress CAN declare martial law and order troops to put down insurrection. If as you claim anyone at any time can simply declare they are no longer part of the US then there would be NO such clause as it would be meaningless.

Secession is not insurrection.

Nothing in the Constitution says that states cannot secede from the Union.

That ass whooping said you couldnt secede. Give it a rest. The south will never rise again.

Another idiot who doesn't get the point.

The point was that you inbreds lost the war. Now youre trying to make it seem like it was something noble. No. You just got your asses kicked and every since then its been one ass kicking after another.

My ancestors were never in the war, moron. They're Irish and Canadian immigrants.

The discussion here is about whether a state can secede. You aren't even participating in it. You're just making cracks from the sidelines.

"The discussion here is about whether a state can secede. "

The answer is emphatically "hell no". if you try again we will just beat your asses again. Move your ass back to europe if you want to secede.

But, at the time, it was still a question. It was still not clear.

The issue was settled by Brute force, not by facts and logic.

Good. Slavery was instituted by brute force. Not facts and logic.

Slaves in America were supplied by blacks in Africa.

So the white boy fable goes.... Thank goodness I learned that was a just another white boy fable like egyptians being white.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

To me Confederate flags honor family members who died honorably fighting bravely for a good cause.

Fighting against the United States of America and in support of maintaining slavery is a good cause?

The simple fact is that the South wanted to self govern. You can argue the reason they wanted to self govern until the cows come home, it really doesn't matter. They no longer recognized the authority of Washington DC just as the USA no longer recognized the authority of the Crown 80 years prior.

To state their cause was "wrong" is to state our cause was wrong in 1776, because they only difference is the USA won it's war for independence.

They were wrong, the reason they left was because of a perceived threat to Slavery when in fact they had as much clout in the Congress as they did BEFORE lincoln was elected and a President alone could not change the Constitution nor state laws. They were worried that 20 years down the line Free States would out number the slave states enough to effect slavery, and instead of fighting politically to prevent that they instead cut their own throats and ended slavery in 3 years not 20.

*Sigh* Read the post again - the REASON is irrelevant. They wanted independence and they fought for it. Same as we did in 1776. If they were "wrong", so were we.

the REASON is irrelevant.

You all obviously want that to be the case. That's what the lost cause bullshit was meant to do. To change the narrative.
Its not irrelevant. Not at all.
The reason, the self stated reason by the confederate states, is exactly why those monuments and statues are being removed.

Do people have the right to self-determination or not?

Do people have the right to self-determination or not?

Apparently the negros didn't.

Sure they did. But the vast majority of them chose not to fight for it.

But you didn't answer the question: Do people have the right to self-determination or not?

Sure they did. But the vast majority of them chose not to fight for it.

Liar.
Your revisionist bullshit isn't gonna fly.

The war, for the confederacy was first and foremost about the preservation of their perceived racial superiority, slavery and the economic advanges thereof. As always, don't take my word for it. Take theirs.

There is nothing else. The fact that the average rube, not unlike yourself, never understood that is irrelevant to the fact that they were indeed fighting toward those ends.

Which of those self stated principles of the confederacy, racial superiority, slavery or the economic exploitation of said slaves through forced labor, deserve continued veneration in American society today?