The First Black Republican Presidential Nominee Will Be.....

[Grumblenuts]

"She" being who?

 

[Correll]

"She" being who?

There is another thread about Candence Owens stating her intent to run for an unspecified office. I am pretty sure that is whom he is referring to.

 

[Grumblenuts]

So, show it, in an example so we can see how it would play out.

Fine. Black woman caught driving while black. White patrolman rapes, strangles, and dumps her body in some woods. Second white patrolman stops by and spits, "Stupid ****** was just asking for it." They both then drive away.

 

[Correll]

So, show it, in an example so we can see how it would play out.

Fine. Black woman caught driving while black. White patrolman rapes, strangles, and dumps her body in some woods. Second white patrolman stops by and spits, "Stupid ****** was just asking for it." They both then drive away.

Come on spin it out. The story. Identify the interests of the two communities and how you think it would play out.

It's easy to be a critic. Now it's your turn to do the example.

Don't be afraid. I'm not an asshole looking to play silly games.

 

[Grumblenuts]

I'm not an asshole looking to play silly games.

Sure fooling me then!

Come on spin it out. The story. Identify the interests of the two communities and how you think it would play out.

I just did. Don't like it? Kiss my lily white ass.

 

[Correll]

I'm not an asshole looking to play silly games.

Sure fooling me then!

Come on spin it out. The story. Identify the interests of the two communities and how you think it would play out.

I just did. Don't like it? Kiss my lily white ass.

In my example I identified both sets of conflicting interests and showed how it resolved, ie the INdians getting their interests represented, ie winning.


What are the interests in your example?

 

[Correll]

I'm not an asshole looking to play silly games.

Sure fooling me then!

Come on spin it out. The story. Identify the interests of the two communities and how you think it would play out.

I just did. Don't like it? Kiss my lily white ass.

So, I'll guess.

The black interest would be for justice for their murdered member. Simple enough. I guess we see something along the lines of Black Lives Matter, and you support that...


And you imagine the the whites would rally around the murderous cop and resist that? Perhaps, launching a campaign arguing that the woman was a dangerous criminal, or just giving the cop a pass? And you don't support that, and you assume that evul wacist whites would?

 

[Grumblenuts]

No. The woman is the minority, interested in going somewhere and surviving, unmolested. The two whites cops represent the majority, expressing their common interest in seeing one another overtly engage in racist activity; the first by preventing the uppity minority from getting anywhere, the second by cheering on the first one's work.

If the woman could be revived, I'd be interested in her thoughts regarding what happened. Could not care less what the cops had to say for themselves.

 

[Correll]

No. The woman is the minority, interested in going somewhere and surviving, unmolested. The two whites cops represent the majority, expressing their common interest in seeing one another overtly engage in racist activity; the first by preventing the uppity minority from getting anywhere, the second by cheering on the first one's work.

If the woman could be revived, I'd be interested in her thoughts regarding what happened. Could not care less what the cops had to say for themselves.

It is interesting that you can only imagine the "White interest" as A. criminal and B. directly harmful to the minority in question.


You seem to be refusing to consider the actual groups in question. Why is that?

 

[Correll]

In my example, neither group were comic book villains...

 

[Correll]

No. The woman is the minority, interested in going somewhere and surviving, unmolested. The two whites cops represent the majority, expressing their common interest in seeing one another overtly engage in racist activity; the first by preventing the uppity minority from getting anywhere, the second by cheering on the first one's work.

If the woman could be revived, I'd be interested in her thoughts regarding what happened. Could not care less what the cops had to say for themselves.

You know, this reminds me of a conversation I had with IM2, a year or so ago, if I recall correctly.


He posted an example of a corrupt cop, who was abusing minority women drivers, pulling them over and arresting them or ticketing them and allowing them to get off the crime, if they provided sexual favors.


lM2, was furious about this, because the cop was being tried with an all white jury.


And he assumed racism. Sorry, he assumed Evul Wacism.

 

[Faun]

Can you name ONE White interest that you would side with the whites vs any conflicting minority interests?

Logically, a minority's interests could only conflict with those of whites given that minority was:
A. Not itself vastly identifiable as "white."
B. Economically (and therefore politically) more powerful than whites in general.

A conflict in interests does not require that.


American indian tribes have an interest in having their treaties respected so they can benefit from having casinos.

They have less economic and political power then whites, yet they have an interest and generally have it advanced and represented in policy.


Your attempt to pretend that such conflicts do not happen, is not realistic.

So you're saying the interests of white people still conflict with those of Native Americans? White people can't have casinos? White people don't want to respect the treaties they once agreed to any more?

White people have way more casinos than Native Americsns.

But even in the casinos that Native Americans own, they employ many people of ALL races. I visit several of them regularly where I live in California. Sometimes to dine, of just play some roulette or blackjack.

I also live 3 hours from Vegas and go to championship fights there all the time.

Literally every hotel and casino on the Vegas strip is owned by a white real estate mogul.who had family members or connections in organized crime years ago.

The few casinos that Native Americans own throughout America are small time by comparison to what is in Vegas.

...

Correct. I was offering that as as example of a conflict of interests to a lib who is pretending to be confused at how groups, or at least whites, can have interests.


To be clear, I fully support the rights of Indians to have interests and to organize and work to have those interests represented and advanced in policy.

Indeed, I picked this as an example, because I could not care less about it, and it would be easy for me to discuss logically and rationally without having any of my own concerns clouding my thinking.


To be more clear, I also support the rights of hte whites in the area to have their interests and to organize and work together to see them represented in policy.


That is what Grumble really can't deal with. The idea that whites might have interests and, god forbid, be wiling to push from them ESPECIALLY AGAINST A MINORITY INTEREST?

lol!!!


And, he can't see how racist his position is.

He doesn't appear to not understand that "whites can have interests".

Maybe he is looking for an example of an interest that primarily affects the white population.

Maybe one like the opioid epidemic. That's one that I would bet most people would get behind.
I certainly would.

But generally casinos bring jobs, entertainment venue destinations and city revenue that is good for lifting property values.


At least that's the case in my state. When I go to casinos here, the vast majority of the patrons are typically white people who appear to be having a good time.

1. You don't need to agree with an interest to see that it exists.

2. An issue does not have to effect primarily one group, for that group to have an interest in it.

3. Smaller more contained examples are better than bigger ones, with more factors to confuse the issue. There is no reason for him to not be able to see and understand the issues and the ideas present. He is being willfully obtuse.

1. Where did I state that agreement on a issue has to be present for it to exist?

2. It is you who brought up "white interests" For an interest to be identified as a "white interest" wouldn't it need to important to enough white people for it to gain support?


3. As far as Grumble goes, I cannot speak for him. However I have seen him ask you to identify what you consider to be a "white issue" several times, but up until now, you have only presented Indian gaming casinos. Surely there must be more?

1. When you offered an alternative that "most people could get behind" that was my take away.

2. Sure. Tons. But I think that Grumble is being dishonest in asking for that listing. He knows damn well that whites have interests.

1. You were correct. Most people would likely support fighting the opioid epidemic. It is a genuine crisis.

2. Again, if there are "tons of white interests", maybe some here would discuss them, if some examples were offered.

As opposed to assuming what you think "Grumble knows", why not just point out a couple of them that specifically affect white people in your opinion?

1. As I said, you don't need to agree with an interests to admit it exists and to discuss it.

2. I gave an example.

3. Because asking stupid questions like that, is often used as a form of evasion.

4. Do you understand the example I gave?

No, you gave a bullshit nonexistent example. There's no such white interest against Indian casinos. Many whites support them. Many whites want them. Many whites work at them and many whites visit them.

Do you want to admit that you are like Grumble? That you opposed the concept of white interests because whites are the majority?


While supporting the idea of minority interests of course.

You'd have to provide an actual example of "white interests" for me to answer. Not made up ones like your ridiculous Indian casino example.

 

[Correll]

Can you name ONE White interest that you would side with the whites vs any conflicting minority interests?

Logically, a minority's interests could only conflict with those of whites given that minority was:
A. Not itself vastly identifiable as "white."
B. Economically (and therefore politically) more powerful than whites in general.

A conflict in interests does not require that.


American indian tribes have an interest in having their treaties respected so they can benefit from having casinos.

They have less economic and political power then whites, yet they have an interest and generally have it advanced and represented in policy.


Your attempt to pretend that such conflicts do not happen, is not realistic.

So you're saying the interests of white people still conflict with those of Native Americans? White people can't have casinos? White people don't want to respect the treaties they once agreed to any more?

White people have way more casinos than Native Americsns.

But even in the casinos that Native Americans own, they employ many people of ALL races. I visit several of them regularly where I live in California. Sometimes to dine, of just play some roulette or blackjack.

I also live 3 hours from Vegas and go to championship fights there all the time.

Literally every hotel and casino on the Vegas strip is owned by a white real estate mogul.who had family members or connections in organized crime years ago.

The few casinos that Native Americans own throughout America are small time by comparison to what is in Vegas.

...

Correct. I was offering that as as example of a conflict of interests to a lib who is pretending to be confused at how groups, or at least whites, can have interests.


To be clear, I fully support the rights of Indians to have interests and to organize and work to have those interests represented and advanced in policy.

Indeed, I picked this as an example, because I could not care less about it, and it would be easy for me to discuss logically and rationally without having any of my own concerns clouding my thinking.


To be more clear, I also support the rights of hte whites in the area to have their interests and to organize and work together to see them represented in policy.


That is what Grumble really can't deal with. The idea that whites might have interests and, god forbid, be wiling to push from them ESPECIALLY AGAINST A MINORITY INTEREST?

lol!!!


And, he can't see how racist his position is.

He doesn't appear to not understand that "whites can have interests".

Maybe he is looking for an example of an interest that primarily affects the white population.

Maybe one like the opioid epidemic. That's one that I would bet most people would get behind.
I certainly would.

But generally casinos bring jobs, entertainment venue destinations and city revenue that is good for lifting property values.


At least that's the case in my state. When I go to casinos here, the vast majority of the patrons are typically white people who appear to be having a good time.

1. You don't need to agree with an interest to see that it exists.

2. An issue does not have to effect primarily one group, for that group to have an interest in it.

3. Smaller more contained examples are better than bigger ones, with more factors to confuse the issue. There is no reason for him to not be able to see and understand the issues and the ideas present. He is being willfully obtuse.

1. Where did I state that agreement on a issue has to be present for it to exist?

2. It is you who brought up "white interests" For an interest to be identified as a "white interest" wouldn't it need to important to enough white people for it to gain support?


3. As far as Grumble goes, I cannot speak for him. However I have seen him ask you to identify what you consider to be a "white issue" several times, but up until now, you have only presented Indian gaming casinos. Surely there must be more?

1. When you offered an alternative that "most people could get behind" that was my take away.

2. Sure. Tons. But I think that Grumble is being dishonest in asking for that listing. He knows damn well that whites have interests.

1. You were correct. Most people would likely support fighting the opioid epidemic. It is a genuine crisis.

2. Again, if there are "tons of white interests", maybe some here would discuss them, if some examples were offered.

As opposed to assuming what you think "Grumble knows", why not just point out a couple of them that specifically affect white people in your opinion?

1. As I said, you don't need to agree with an interests to admit it exists and to discuss it.

2. I gave an example.

3. Because asking stupid questions like that, is often used as a form of evasion.

4. Do you understand the example I gave?

No, you gave a bullshit nonexistent example. There's no such white interest against Indian casinos. Many whites support them. Many whites want them. Many whites work at them and many whites visit them.

Do you want to admit that you are like Grumble? That you opposed the concept of white interests because whites are the majority?


While supporting the idea of minority interests of course.

You'd have to provide an actual example of "white interests" for me to answer. Not made up ones like your ridiculous Indian casino example.

Sure. The interest in being able to organize to advocate for your interests, without being attacked and slandered for it, like minorities are allowed to do.


That is a white interest, that is denied us.


Do you support that interest or oppose it?

 

[Faun]

Can you name ONE White interest that you would side with the whites vs any conflicting minority interests?

Logically, a minority's interests could only conflict with those of whites given that minority was:
A. Not itself vastly identifiable as "white."
B. Economically (and therefore politically) more powerful than whites in general.

A conflict in interests does not require that.


American indian tribes have an interest in having their treaties respected so they can benefit from having casinos.

They have less economic and political power then whites, yet they have an interest and generally have it advanced and represented in policy.


Your attempt to pretend that such conflicts do not happen, is not realistic.

So you're saying the interests of white people still conflict with those of Native Americans? White people can't have casinos? White people don't want to respect the treaties they once agreed to any more?

White people have way more casinos than Native Americsns.

But even in the casinos that Native Americans own, they employ many people of ALL races. I visit several of them regularly where I live in California. Sometimes to dine, of just play some roulette or blackjack.

I also live 3 hours from Vegas and go to championship fights there all the time.

Literally every hotel and casino on the Vegas strip is owned by a white real estate mogul.who had family members or connections in organized crime years ago.

The few casinos that Native Americans own throughout America are small time by comparison to what is in Vegas.

...

Correct. I was offering that as as example of a conflict of interests to a lib who is pretending to be confused at how groups, or at least whites, can have interests.


To be clear, I fully support the rights of Indians to have interests and to organize and work to have those interests represented and advanced in policy.

Indeed, I picked this as an example, because I could not care less about it, and it would be easy for me to discuss logically and rationally without having any of my own concerns clouding my thinking.


To be more clear, I also support the rights of hte whites in the area to have their interests and to organize and work together to see them represented in policy.


That is what Grumble really can't deal with. The idea that whites might have interests and, god forbid, be wiling to push from them ESPECIALLY AGAINST A MINORITY INTEREST?

lol!!!


And, he can't see how racist his position is.

He doesn't appear to not understand that "whites can have interests".

Maybe he is looking for an example of an interest that primarily affects the white population.

Maybe one like the opioid epidemic. That's one that I would bet most people would get behind.
I certainly would.

But generally casinos bring jobs, entertainment venue destinations and city revenue that is good for lifting property values.


At least that's the case in my state. When I go to casinos here, the vast majority of the patrons are typically white people who appear to be having a good time.

1. You don't need to agree with an interest to see that it exists.

2. An issue does not have to effect primarily one group, for that group to have an interest in it.

3. Smaller more contained examples are better than bigger ones, with more factors to confuse the issue. There is no reason for him to not be able to see and understand the issues and the ideas present. He is being willfully obtuse.

1. Where did I state that agreement on a issue has to be present for it to exist?

2. It is you who brought up "white interests" For an interest to be identified as a "white interest" wouldn't it need to important to enough white people for it to gain support?


3. As far as Grumble goes, I cannot speak for him. However I have seen him ask you to identify what you consider to be a "white issue" several times, but up until now, you have only presented Indian gaming casinos. Surely there must be more?

1. When you offered an alternative that "most people could get behind" that was my take away.

2. Sure. Tons. But I think that Grumble is being dishonest in asking for that listing. He knows damn well that whites have interests.

1. You were correct. Most people would likely support fighting the opioid epidemic. It is a genuine crisis.

2. Again, if there are "tons of white interests", maybe some here would discuss them, if some examples were offered.

As opposed to assuming what you think "Grumble knows", why not just point out a couple of them that specifically affect white people in your opinion?

1. As I said, you don't need to agree with an interests to admit it exists and to discuss it.

2. I gave an example.

3. Because asking stupid questions like that, is often used as a form of evasion.

4. Do you understand the example I gave?

No, you gave a bullshit nonexistent example. There's no such white interest against Indian casinos. Many whites support them. Many whites want them. Many whites work at them and many whites visit them.

Do you want to admit that you are like Grumble? That you opposed the concept of white interests because whites are the majority?


While supporting the idea of minority interests of course.

You'd have to provide an actual example of "white interests" for me to answer. Not made up ones like your ridiculous Indian casino example.

Sure. The interest in being able to organize to advocate for your interests, without being attacked and slandered for it, like minorities are allowed to do.


That is a white interest, that is denied us.


Do you support that interest or oppose it?

Looks like I have to repeat myself because you're a racist idiot.

You"ll need to cite an example of what you mean by "white interest" for me to answer that....

Organizing is not a "white interest."

 

[Correll]

Can you name ONE White interest that you would side with the whites vs any conflicting minority interests?

Logically, a minority's interests could only conflict with those of whites given that minority was:
A. Not itself vastly identifiable as "white."
B. Economically (and therefore politically) more powerful than whites in general.

A conflict in interests does not require that.


American indian tribes have an interest in having their treaties respected so they can benefit from having casinos.

They have less economic and political power then whites, yet they have an interest and generally have it advanced and represented in policy.


Your attempt to pretend that such conflicts do not happen, is not realistic.

So you're saying the interests of white people still conflict with those of Native Americans? White people can't have casinos? White people don't want to respect the treaties they once agreed to any more?

White people have way more casinos than Native Americsns.

But even in the casinos that Native Americans own, they employ many people of ALL races. I visit several of them regularly where I live in California. Sometimes to dine, of just play some roulette or blackjack.

I also live 3 hours from Vegas and go to championship fights there all the time.

Literally every hotel and casino on the Vegas strip is owned by a white real estate mogul.who had family members or connections in organized crime years ago.

The few casinos that Native Americans own throughout America are small time by comparison to what is in Vegas.

...

Correct. I was offering that as as example of a conflict of interests to a lib who is pretending to be confused at how groups, or at least whites, can have interests.


To be clear, I fully support the rights of Indians to have interests and to organize and work to have those interests represented and advanced in policy.

Indeed, I picked this as an example, because I could not care less about it, and it would be easy for me to discuss logically and rationally without having any of my own concerns clouding my thinking.


To be more clear, I also support the rights of hte whites in the area to have their interests and to organize and work together to see them represented in policy.


That is what Grumble really can't deal with. The idea that whites might have interests and, god forbid, be wiling to push from them ESPECIALLY AGAINST A MINORITY INTEREST?

lol!!!


And, he can't see how racist his position is.

He doesn't appear to not understand that "whites can have interests".

Maybe he is looking for an example of an interest that primarily affects the white population.

Maybe one like the opioid epidemic. That's one that I would bet most people would get behind.
I certainly would.

But generally casinos bring jobs, entertainment venue destinations and city revenue that is good for lifting property values.


At least that's the case in my state. When I go to casinos here, the vast majority of the patrons are typically white people who appear to be having a good time.

1. You don't need to agree with an interest to see that it exists.

2. An issue does not have to effect primarily one group, for that group to have an interest in it.

3. Smaller more contained examples are better than bigger ones, with more factors to confuse the issue. There is no reason for him to not be able to see and understand the issues and the ideas present. He is being willfully obtuse.

1. Where did I state that agreement on a issue has to be present for it to exist?

2. It is you who brought up "white interests" For an interest to be identified as a "white interest" wouldn't it need to important to enough white people for it to gain support?


3. As far as Grumble goes, I cannot speak for him. However I have seen him ask you to identify what you consider to be a "white issue" several times, but up until now, you have only presented Indian gaming casinos. Surely there must be more?

1. When you offered an alternative that "most people could get behind" that was my take away.

2. Sure. Tons. But I think that Grumble is being dishonest in asking for that listing. He knows damn well that whites have interests.

1. You were correct. Most people would likely support fighting the opioid epidemic. It is a genuine crisis.

2. Again, if there are "tons of white interests", maybe some here would discuss them, if some examples were offered.

As opposed to assuming what you think "Grumble knows", why not just point out a couple of them that specifically affect white people in your opinion?

1. As I said, you don't need to agree with an interests to admit it exists and to discuss it.

2. I gave an example.

3. Because asking stupid questions like that, is often used as a form of evasion.

4. Do you understand the example I gave?

No, you gave a bullshit nonexistent example. There's no such white interest against Indian casinos. Many whites support them. Many whites want them. Many whites work at them and many whites visit them.

Do you want to admit that you are like Grumble? That you opposed the concept of white interests because whites are the majority?


While supporting the idea of minority interests of course.

You'd have to provide an actual example of "white interests" for me to answer. Not made up ones like your ridiculous Indian casino example.

Sure. The interest in being able to organize to advocate for your interests, without being attacked and slandered for it, like minorities are allowed to do.


That is a white interest, that is denied us.


Do you support that interest or oppose it?

Looks like I have to repeat myself because you're a racist idiot.

You"ll need to cite an example of what you mean by "white interest" for me to answer that....

Organizing is not a "white interest."

Being able to organize and advocate without being viciously attacked and slandered, is certainly an interest.


Indeed, it is the beginning of getting all interests. If you cannot even speak out to request an interest, how can you ever get it?


Being denied that ability, is the end of all interests. Having it, is the beginning of getting all inerests.


Grumble was clear. He opposes this interest for whites.


What is your position on it?

 

[Correll]

Can you name ONE White interest that you would side with the whites vs any conflicting minority interests?

Logically, a minority's interests could only conflict with those of whites given that minority was:
A. Not itself vastly identifiable as "white."
B. Economically (and therefore politically) more powerful than whites in general.

A conflict in interests does not require that.


American indian tribes have an interest in having their treaties respected so they can benefit from having casinos.

They have less economic and political power then whites, yet they have an interest and generally have it advanced and represented in policy.


Your attempt to pretend that such conflicts do not happen, is not realistic.

So you're saying the interests of white people still conflict with those of Native Americans? White people can't have casinos? White people don't want to respect the treaties they once agreed to any more?

White people have way more casinos than Native Americsns.

But even in the casinos that Native Americans own, they employ many people of ALL races. I visit several of them regularly where I live in California. Sometimes to dine, of just play some roulette or blackjack.

I also live 3 hours from Vegas and go to championship fights there all the time.

Literally every hotel and casino on the Vegas strip is owned by a white real estate mogul.who had family members or connections in organized crime years ago.

The few casinos that Native Americans own throughout America are small time by comparison to what is in Vegas.

...

Correct. I was offering that as as example of a conflict of interests to a lib who is pretending to be confused at how groups, or at least whites, can have interests.


To be clear, I fully support the rights of Indians to have interests and to organize and work to have those interests represented and advanced in policy.

Indeed, I picked this as an example, because I could not care less about it, and it would be easy for me to discuss logically and rationally without having any of my own concerns clouding my thinking.


To be more clear, I also support the rights of hte whites in the area to have their interests and to organize and work together to see them represented in policy.


That is what Grumble really can't deal with. The idea that whites might have interests and, god forbid, be wiling to push from them ESPECIALLY AGAINST A MINORITY INTEREST?

lol!!!


And, he can't see how racist his position is.

He doesn't appear to not understand that "whites can have interests".

Maybe he is looking for an example of an interest that primarily affects the white population.

Maybe one like the opioid epidemic. That's one that I would bet most people would get behind.
I certainly would.

But generally casinos bring jobs, entertainment venue destinations and city revenue that is good for lifting property values.


At least that's the case in my state. When I go to casinos here, the vast majority of the patrons are typically white people who appear to be having a good time.

1. You don't need to agree with an interest to see that it exists.

2. An issue does not have to effect primarily one group, for that group to have an interest in it.

3. Smaller more contained examples are better than bigger ones, with more factors to confuse the issue. There is no reason for him to not be able to see and understand the issues and the ideas present. He is being willfully obtuse.

1. Where did I state that agreement on a issue has to be present for it to exist?

2. It is you who brought up "white interests" For an interest to be identified as a "white interest" wouldn't it need to important to enough white people for it to gain support?


3. As far as Grumble goes, I cannot speak for him. However I have seen him ask you to identify what you consider to be a "white issue" several times, but up until now, you have only presented Indian gaming casinos. Surely there must be more?

1. When you offered an alternative that "most people could get behind" that was my take away.

2. Sure. Tons. But I think that Grumble is being dishonest in asking for that listing. He knows damn well that whites have interests.

1. You were correct. Most people would likely support fighting the opioid epidemic. It is a genuine crisis.

2. Again, if there are "tons of white interests", maybe some here would discuss them, if some examples were offered.

As opposed to assuming what you think "Grumble knows", why not just point out a couple of them that specifically affect white people in your opinion?

1. As I said, you don't need to agree with an interests to admit it exists and to discuss it.

2. I gave an example.

3. Because asking stupid questions like that, is often used as a form of evasion.

4. Do you understand the example I gave?

No, you gave a bullshit nonexistent example. There's no such white interest against Indian casinos. Many whites support them. Many whites want them. Many whites work at them and many whites visit them.

Do you want to admit that you are like Grumble? That you opposed the concept of white interests because whites are the majority?


While supporting the idea of minority interests of course.

You'd have to provide an actual example of "white interests" for me to answer. Not made up ones like your ridiculous Indian casino example.

Sure. The interest in being able to organize to advocate for your interests, without being attacked and slandered for it, like minorities are allowed to do.


That is a white interest, that is denied us.


Do you support that interest or oppose it?

Looks like I have to repeat myself because you're a racist idiot.

You"ll need to cite an example of what you mean by "white interest" for me to answer that....

Organizing is not a "white interest."

And you are the racist idiot, you fucking asshole.

 

[Faun]

Can you name ONE White interest that you would side with the whites vs any conflicting minority interests?

Logically, a minority's interests could only conflict with those of whites given that minority was:
A. Not itself vastly identifiable as "white."
B. Economically (and therefore politically) more powerful than whites in general.

A conflict in interests does not require that.


American indian tribes have an interest in having their treaties respected so they can benefit from having casinos.

They have less economic and political power then whites, yet they have an interest and generally have it advanced and represented in policy.


Your attempt to pretend that such conflicts do not happen, is not realistic.

So you're saying the interests of white people still conflict with those of Native Americans? White people can't have casinos? White people don't want to respect the treaties they once agreed to any more?

White people have way more casinos than Native Americsns.

But even in the casinos that Native Americans own, they employ many people of ALL races. I visit several of them regularly where I live in California. Sometimes to dine, of just play some roulette or blackjack.

I also live 3 hours from Vegas and go to championship fights there all the time.

Literally every hotel and casino on the Vegas strip is owned by a white real estate mogul.who had family members or connections in organized crime years ago.

The few casinos that Native Americans own throughout America are small time by comparison to what is in Vegas.

...

Correct. I was offering that as as example of a conflict of interests to a lib who is pretending to be confused at how groups, or at least whites, can have interests.


To be clear, I fully support the rights of Indians to have interests and to organize and work to have those interests represented and advanced in policy.

Indeed, I picked this as an example, because I could not care less about it, and it would be easy for me to discuss logically and rationally without having any of my own concerns clouding my thinking.


To be more clear, I also support the rights of hte whites in the area to have their interests and to organize and work together to see them represented in policy.


That is what Grumble really can't deal with. The idea that whites might have interests and, god forbid, be wiling to push from them ESPECIALLY AGAINST A MINORITY INTEREST?

lol!!!


And, he can't see how racist his position is.

He doesn't appear to not understand that "whites can have interests".

Maybe he is looking for an example of an interest that primarily affects the white population.

Maybe one like the opioid epidemic. That's one that I would bet most people would get behind.
I certainly would.

But generally casinos bring jobs, entertainment venue destinations and city revenue that is good for lifting property values.


At least that's the case in my state. When I go to casinos here, the vast majority of the patrons are typically white people who appear to be having a good time.

1. You don't need to agree with an interest to see that it exists.

2. An issue does not have to effect primarily one group, for that group to have an interest in it.

3. Smaller more contained examples are better than bigger ones, with more factors to confuse the issue. There is no reason for him to not be able to see and understand the issues and the ideas present. He is being willfully obtuse.

1. Where did I state that agreement on a issue has to be present for it to exist?

2. It is you who brought up "white interests" For an interest to be identified as a "white interest" wouldn't it need to important to enough white people for it to gain support?


3. As far as Grumble goes, I cannot speak for him. However I have seen him ask you to identify what you consider to be a "white issue" several times, but up until now, you have only presented Indian gaming casinos. Surely there must be more?

1. When you offered an alternative that "most people could get behind" that was my take away.

2. Sure. Tons. But I think that Grumble is being dishonest in asking for that listing. He knows damn well that whites have interests.

1. You were correct. Most people would likely support fighting the opioid epidemic. It is a genuine crisis.

2. Again, if there are "tons of white interests", maybe some here would discuss them, if some examples were offered.

As opposed to assuming what you think "Grumble knows", why not just point out a couple of them that specifically affect white people in your opinion?

1. As I said, you don't need to agree with an interests to admit it exists and to discuss it.

2. I gave an example.

3. Because asking stupid questions like that, is often used as a form of evasion.

4. Do you understand the example I gave?

No, you gave a bullshit nonexistent example. There's no such white interest against Indian casinos. Many whites support them. Many whites want them. Many whites work at them and many whites visit them.

Do you want to admit that you are like Grumble? That you opposed the concept of white interests because whites are the majority?


While supporting the idea of minority interests of course.

You'd have to provide an actual example of "white interests" for me to answer. Not made up ones like your ridiculous Indian casino example.

Sure. The interest in being able to organize to advocate for your interests, without being attacked and slandered for it, like minorities are allowed to do.


That is a white interest, that is denied us.


Do you support that interest or oppose it?

Looks like I have to repeat myself because you're a racist idiot.

You"ll need to cite an example of what you mean by "white interest" for me to answer that....

Organizing is not a "white interest."

Being able to organize and advocate without being viciously attacked and slandered, is certainly an interest.


Indeed, it is the beginning of getting all interests. If you cannot even speak out to request an interest, how can you ever get it?


Being denied that ability, is the end of all interests. Having it, is the beginning of getting all inerests.


Grumble was clear. He opposes this interest for whites.


What is your position on it?

"Being able to organize and advocate without being viciously attacked and slandered, is certainly an interest. "

No, it's not. If a group of whites choose to organize and advocate the white race by burning a cross on some black family's yard -- they should be viciously attacked and slandered and arrested.

Cite a legit "white interest" if you want me to answer.

 

[Faun]

Can you name ONE White interest that you would side with the whites vs any conflicting minority interests?

Logically, a minority's interests could only conflict with those of whites given that minority was:
A. Not itself vastly identifiable as "white."
B. Economically (and therefore politically) more powerful than whites in general.

A conflict in interests does not require that.


American indian tribes have an interest in having their treaties respected so they can benefit from having casinos.

They have less economic and political power then whites, yet they have an interest and generally have it advanced and represented in policy.


Your attempt to pretend that such conflicts do not happen, is not realistic.

So you're saying the interests of white people still conflict with those of Native Americans? White people can't have casinos? White people don't want to respect the treaties they once agreed to any more?

White people have way more casinos than Native Americsns.

But even in the casinos that Native Americans own, they employ many people of ALL races. I visit several of them regularly where I live in California. Sometimes to dine, of just play some roulette or blackjack.

I also live 3 hours from Vegas and go to championship fights there all the time.

Literally every hotel and casino on the Vegas strip is owned by a white real estate mogul.who had family members or connections in organized crime years ago.

The few casinos that Native Americans own throughout America are small time by comparison to what is in Vegas.

...

Correct. I was offering that as as example of a conflict of interests to a lib who is pretending to be confused at how groups, or at least whites, can have interests.


To be clear, I fully support the rights of Indians to have interests and to organize and work to have those interests represented and advanced in policy.

Indeed, I picked this as an example, because I could not care less about it, and it would be easy for me to discuss logically and rationally without having any of my own concerns clouding my thinking.


To be more clear, I also support the rights of hte whites in the area to have their interests and to organize and work together to see them represented in policy.


That is what Grumble really can't deal with. The idea that whites might have interests and, god forbid, be wiling to push from them ESPECIALLY AGAINST A MINORITY INTEREST?

lol!!!


And, he can't see how racist his position is.

He doesn't appear to not understand that "whites can have interests".

Maybe he is looking for an example of an interest that primarily affects the white population.

Maybe one like the opioid epidemic. That's one that I would bet most people would get behind.
I certainly would.

But generally casinos bring jobs, entertainment venue destinations and city revenue that is good for lifting property values.


At least that's the case in my state. When I go to casinos here, the vast majority of the patrons are typically white people who appear to be having a good time.

1. You don't need to agree with an interest to see that it exists.

2. An issue does not have to effect primarily one group, for that group to have an interest in it.

3. Smaller more contained examples are better than bigger ones, with more factors to confuse the issue. There is no reason for him to not be able to see and understand the issues and the ideas present. He is being willfully obtuse.

1. Where did I state that agreement on a issue has to be present for it to exist?

2. It is you who brought up "white interests" For an interest to be identified as a "white interest" wouldn't it need to important to enough white people for it to gain support?


3. As far as Grumble goes, I cannot speak for him. However I have seen him ask you to identify what you consider to be a "white issue" several times, but up until now, you have only presented Indian gaming casinos. Surely there must be more?

1. When you offered an alternative that "most people could get behind" that was my take away.

2. Sure. Tons. But I think that Grumble is being dishonest in asking for that listing. He knows damn well that whites have interests.

1. You were correct. Most people would likely support fighting the opioid epidemic. It is a genuine crisis.

2. Again, if there are "tons of white interests", maybe some here would discuss them, if some examples were offered.

As opposed to assuming what you think "Grumble knows", why not just point out a couple of them that specifically affect white people in your opinion?

1. As I said, you don't need to agree with an interests to admit it exists and to discuss it.

2. I gave an example.

3. Because asking stupid questions like that, is often used as a form of evasion.

4. Do you understand the example I gave?

No, you gave a bullshit nonexistent example. There's no such white interest against Indian casinos. Many whites support them. Many whites want them. Many whites work at them and many whites visit them.

Do you want to admit that you are like Grumble? That you opposed the concept of white interests because whites are the majority?


While supporting the idea of minority interests of course.

You'd have to provide an actual example of "white interests" for me to answer. Not made up ones like your ridiculous Indian casino example.

Sure. The interest in being able to organize to advocate for your interests, without being attacked and slandered for it, like minorities are allowed to do.


That is a white interest, that is denied us.


Do you support that interest or oppose it?

Looks like I have to repeat myself because you're a racist idiot.

You"ll need to cite an example of what you mean by "white interest" for me to answer that....

Organizing is not a "white interest."

And you are the racist idiot, you fucking asshole.

LOLOL

You're fucking deranged, ya fucking racist.

 

[Correll]

Can you name ONE White interest that you would side with the whites vs any conflicting minority interests?

Logically, a minority's interests could only conflict with those of whites given that minority was:
A. Not itself vastly identifiable as "white."
B. Economically (and therefore politically) more powerful than whites in general.

A conflict in interests does not require that.


American indian tribes have an interest in having their treaties respected so they can benefit from having casinos.

They have less economic and political power then whites, yet they have an interest and generally have it advanced and represented in policy.


Your attempt to pretend that such conflicts do not happen, is not realistic.

So you're saying the interests of white people still conflict with those of Native Americans? White people can't have casinos? White people don't want to respect the treaties they once agreed to any more?

White people have way more casinos than Native Americsns.

But even in the casinos that Native Americans own, they employ many people of ALL races. I visit several of them regularly where I live in California. Sometimes to dine, of just play some roulette or blackjack.

I also live 3 hours from Vegas and go to championship fights there all the time.

Literally every hotel and casino on the Vegas strip is owned by a white real estate mogul.who had family members or connections in organized crime years ago.

The few casinos that Native Americans own throughout America are small time by comparison to what is in Vegas.

...

Correct. I was offering that as as example of a conflict of interests to a lib who is pretending to be confused at how groups, or at least whites, can have interests.


To be clear, I fully support the rights of Indians to have interests and to organize and work to have those interests represented and advanced in policy.

Indeed, I picked this as an example, because I could not care less about it, and it would be easy for me to discuss logically and rationally without having any of my own concerns clouding my thinking.


To be more clear, I also support the rights of hte whites in the area to have their interests and to organize and work together to see them represented in policy.


That is what Grumble really can't deal with. The idea that whites might have interests and, god forbid, be wiling to push from them ESPECIALLY AGAINST A MINORITY INTEREST?

lol!!!


And, he can't see how racist his position is.

He doesn't appear to not understand that "whites can have interests".

Maybe he is looking for an example of an interest that primarily affects the white population.

Maybe one like the opioid epidemic. That's one that I would bet most people would get behind.
I certainly would.

But generally casinos bring jobs, entertainment venue destinations and city revenue that is good for lifting property values.


At least that's the case in my state. When I go to casinos here, the vast majority of the patrons are typically white people who appear to be having a good time.

1. You don't need to agree with an interest to see that it exists.

2. An issue does not have to effect primarily one group, for that group to have an interest in it.

3. Smaller more contained examples are better than bigger ones, with more factors to confuse the issue. There is no reason for him to not be able to see and understand the issues and the ideas present. He is being willfully obtuse.

1. Where did I state that agreement on a issue has to be present for it to exist?

2. It is you who brought up "white interests" For an interest to be identified as a "white interest" wouldn't it need to important to enough white people for it to gain support?


3. As far as Grumble goes, I cannot speak for him. However I have seen him ask you to identify what you consider to be a "white issue" several times, but up until now, you have only presented Indian gaming casinos. Surely there must be more?

1. When you offered an alternative that "most people could get behind" that was my take away.

2. Sure. Tons. But I think that Grumble is being dishonest in asking for that listing. He knows damn well that whites have interests.

1. You were correct. Most people would likely support fighting the opioid epidemic. It is a genuine crisis.

2. Again, if there are "tons of white interests", maybe some here would discuss them, if some examples were offered.

As opposed to assuming what you think "Grumble knows", why not just point out a couple of them that specifically affect white people in your opinion?

1. As I said, you don't need to agree with an interests to admit it exists and to discuss it.

2. I gave an example.

3. Because asking stupid questions like that, is often used as a form of evasion.

4. Do you understand the example I gave?

No, you gave a bullshit nonexistent example. There's no such white interest against Indian casinos. Many whites support them. Many whites want them. Many whites work at them and many whites visit them.

Do you want to admit that you are like Grumble? That you opposed the concept of white interests because whites are the majority?


While supporting the idea of minority interests of course.

You'd have to provide an actual example of "white interests" for me to answer. Not made up ones like your ridiculous Indian casino example.

Sure. The interest in being able to organize to advocate for your interests, without being attacked and slandered for it, like minorities are allowed to do.


That is a white interest, that is denied us.


Do you support that interest or oppose it?

Looks like I have to repeat myself because you're a racist idiot.

You"ll need to cite an example of what you mean by "white interest" for me to answer that....

Organizing is not a "white interest."

Being able to organize and advocate without being viciously attacked and slandered, is certainly an interest.


Indeed, it is the beginning of getting all interests. If you cannot even speak out to request an interest, how can you ever get it?


Being denied that ability, is the end of all interests. Having it, is the beginning of getting all inerests.


Grumble was clear. He opposes this interest for whites.


What is your position on it?

"Being able to organize and advocate without being viciously attacked and slandered, is certainly an interest. "

No, it's not. If a group of whites choose to organize and advocate the white race by burning a cross on some black family's yard -- they should be viciously attacked and slandered and arrested.

Cite a legit "white interest" if you want me to answer.

Got it. THanks. You are against whites being allowed to have group interests while supporting minorities having group interests.


And if any interest are presented, you are hostile to whites' interests and supportive of minority interests based on race.


And you think that makes other people "Evul Wacists".


To explain my reasoning there, you requested an example of a white interest, and I gave what should have been the most basic and harmless one imaginable, ie the right to be able to advocate for interests.


And you conflated that, with burning a cross on a lawn and supporting them being arrested.


So, that is what this is about. YOUR SUPPORT OF RACISM AND OPPRESSION.

 

[Correll]

Can you name ONE White interest that you would side with the whites vs any conflicting minority interests?

Logically, a minority's interests could only conflict with those of whites given that minority was:
A. Not itself vastly identifiable as "white."
B. Economically (and therefore politically) more powerful than whites in general.

A conflict in interests does not require that.


American indian tribes have an interest in having their treaties respected so they can benefit from having casinos.

They have less economic and political power then whites, yet they have an interest and generally have it advanced and represented in policy.


Your attempt to pretend that such conflicts do not happen, is not realistic.

So you're saying the interests of white people still conflict with those of Native Americans? White people can't have casinos? White people don't want to respect the treaties they once agreed to any more?

White people have way more casinos than Native Americsns.

But even in the casinos that Native Americans own, they employ many people of ALL races. I visit several of them regularly where I live in California. Sometimes to dine, of just play some roulette or blackjack.

I also live 3 hours from Vegas and go to championship fights there all the time.

Literally every hotel and casino on the Vegas strip is owned by a white real estate mogul.who had family members or connections in organized crime years ago.

The few casinos that Native Americans own throughout America are small time by comparison to what is in Vegas.

...

Correct. I was offering that as as example of a conflict of interests to a lib who is pretending to be confused at how groups, or at least whites, can have interests.


To be clear, I fully support the rights of Indians to have interests and to organize and work to have those interests represented and advanced in policy.

Indeed, I picked this as an example, because I could not care less about it, and it would be easy for me to discuss logically and rationally without having any of my own concerns clouding my thinking.


To be more clear, I also support the rights of hte whites in the area to have their interests and to organize and work together to see them represented in policy.


That is what Grumble really can't deal with. The idea that whites might have interests and, god forbid, be wiling to push from them ESPECIALLY AGAINST A MINORITY INTEREST?

lol!!!


And, he can't see how racist his position is.

He doesn't appear to not understand that "whites can have interests".

Maybe he is looking for an example of an interest that primarily affects the white population.

Maybe one like the opioid epidemic. That's one that I would bet most people would get behind.
I certainly would.

But generally casinos bring jobs, entertainment venue destinations and city revenue that is good for lifting property values.


At least that's the case in my state. When I go to casinos here, the vast majority of the patrons are typically white people who appear to be having a good time.

1. You don't need to agree with an interest to see that it exists.

2. An issue does not have to effect primarily one group, for that group to have an interest in it.

3. Smaller more contained examples are better than bigger ones, with more factors to confuse the issue. There is no reason for him to not be able to see and understand the issues and the ideas present. He is being willfully obtuse.

1. Where did I state that agreement on a issue has to be present for it to exist?

2. It is you who brought up "white interests" For an interest to be identified as a "white interest" wouldn't it need to important to enough white people for it to gain support?


3. As far as Grumble goes, I cannot speak for him. However I have seen him ask you to identify what you consider to be a "white issue" several times, but up until now, you have only presented Indian gaming casinos. Surely there must be more?

1. When you offered an alternative that "most people could get behind" that was my take away.

2. Sure. Tons. But I think that Grumble is being dishonest in asking for that listing. He knows damn well that whites have interests.

1. You were correct. Most people would likely support fighting the opioid epidemic. It is a genuine crisis.

2. Again, if there are "tons of white interests", maybe some here would discuss them, if some examples were offered.

As opposed to assuming what you think "Grumble knows", why not just point out a couple of them that specifically affect white people in your opinion?

1. As I said, you don't need to agree with an interests to admit it exists and to discuss it.

2. I gave an example.

3. Because asking stupid questions like that, is often used as a form of evasion.

4. Do you understand the example I gave?

No, you gave a bullshit nonexistent example. There's no such white interest against Indian casinos. Many whites support them. Many whites want them. Many whites work at them and many whites visit them.

Do you want to admit that you are like Grumble? That you opposed the concept of white interests because whites are the majority?


While supporting the idea of minority interests of course.

You'd have to provide an actual example of "white interests" for me to answer. Not made up ones like your ridiculous Indian casino example.

Sure. The interest in being able to organize to advocate for your interests, without being attacked and slandered for it, like minorities are allowed to do.


That is a white interest, that is denied us.


Do you support that interest or oppose it?

Looks like I have to repeat myself because you're a racist idiot.

You"ll need to cite an example of what you mean by "white interest" for me to answer that....

Organizing is not a "white interest."

And you are the racist idiot, you fucking asshole.

LOLOL

You're fucking deranged, ya fucking racist.

Said the man that wants white people's freedom of speech met with arrest.