The End of Palestine

[rhodescholar]

The native Arab Muslims and Christians of Palestine are the people of Palestine that began converting to Christianity with the birth of Jesus Christ and converted entirely to Christianity after 380 AD when Christianity became the state religion of Rome and it became a requirement to be a Christian to reside in Palestine. Palestine was Christian when the Muslims defeated the Romans (Byzantines) and conquered Jerusalem. Are you that ignorant of history? Oh wait.

Riiiiight idiot scumbag, the census' taken showing massive arab muslim immigration from the 1880s forward were all faked. Yes, you ARE that fucking stupid.

 

[montelatici]

Where is Morocco Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt? Moron.

C-nt idiot asshole, are those places thousands of miles away, c-nt? Are they, fucking retarded asshole? Buy a map, dogshit. Keep deflecting, animal scumbag.

Right, on a different continent. You're not the sharpest tool in the drawer, just keep digging deeper. LOL

 

[rhodescholar]

You're quite befuddled. The Pal'istanians were largely descendants of the various invaders / colonizers from Arab nations and those xtians invaders / colonizers / crusaders from Europe.If you had any knowledge of history, you would know that the Mandate encouraged Jews to immigrate to the area of Pal'istan. What entity invited the xtian invaders? What a shame you just rattle on with your schoolboy version of invented history.

When your IQ is really, really low, al you can do is repeat the pre-manufactured, pre-fab lines fed to you by others. That filthy piece of dung never got past 4th grade, so expecting a real discussion with it can never happen - it is the very flower of arab muslim "culture".

 

[Shusha]

There was a legal possibility. If both sides signed it they would have had a treaty.

Yes. Thank you.

The Palestinians did not cede any territory to create a Jewish state.

But where, when and how did the Palestinians acquire territory?

 

[yiostheoy]

With Trump's help end of palestine is possible...
The End of Palestine
Israel has the opportunity to reclaim its nation.
February 16, 2017
Daniel Greenfield

Palestine is many things. A Roman name and a Cold War lie. Mostly it’s a justification for killing Jews.

Palestine was an old Saudi-Soviet scam which invented a fake nationality for the Arab clans who had invaded and colonized Israel. This big lie transformed the leftist and Islamist terrorists run by them into the liberators of an imaginary nation. Suddenly the efforts of the Muslim bloc and the Soviet bloc to destroy the Jewish State became an undertaking of sympathetically murderous underdogs.

But the Palestine lie is past its sell by date.

What we think of as “Palestinian” terrorism was a low-level conflict pursued by the Arab Socialist states in between their invasions of Israel. After several lost wars, the terrorism was all that remained. Egypt, Syria and the USSR threw in the towel on actually destroying Israel with tanks and jets, but funding terrorism was cheap and low-risk. And the rewards were disproportionate to the cost.

For less than the price of a single jet fighter, Islamic terrorists could strike deep inside Israel while isolating the Jewish State internationally with demands for “negotiations” and “statehood.”

After the Cold War ended, Russia was low on cash and the PLO’s Muslim sugar daddies were tired of paying for Arafat’s wife’s shoe collection and his keffiyah dry cleaning bills.

The terror group was on its last legs. “Palestine” was a dying delusion that didn’t have much of a future.

That’s when Bill Clinton and the flailing left-wing Israeli Labor Party which, unlike its British counterpart, had failed to adapt to the new economic boom, decided to rescue Arafat and create ”Palestine”.

The resulting terrorist disaster killed thousands, scarred two generations of Israelis, isolated the country and allowed Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and other major cities to come under fire for the first time since the major wars. No matter how often Israeli concessions were met with Islamic terrorism, nothing seemed able to shake loose the two-state solution monkey on Israel’s back. Destroying Israel, instantaneously or incrementally, had always been a small price to pay for maintaining the international order.

The same economic forces that were transforming the world after the Cold War had salvaged “Palestine”. Arafat had lost his sponsors in Moscow, but his new sugar daddy’s name was “Globalism”.

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The “Palestinian Authority”, a shell company of the PLO which is a shell company of the Fatah terrorists, has no economy worth speaking of. It has foreign aid. Its diplomatic achievements are achieved for it by the transnational network of foreign diplomats, the UN, the media and assorted international NGOs. During the last round of “negotiations”, Secretary of State John Kerry even attempted to do the negotiating on behalf of the Palestinian Authority in the talks with Israel.

Take away the transnational order and the Palestinian Authority will need a new sugar daddy. The Saudis are better at promising money than actually delivering it. Russia may decide to take on the job. But it isn’t about to put in the money and resources that the PA has grown used to receiving from us.

Without significant American support, the Palestinian Authority will perish. And the farce will end.

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The PLO has inflicted a great deal of diplomatic damage on Israel and Hamas has terrorized its major cities. Together they form an existential threat that Israel has allowed to grow under the guise of managing it. The next few years may leave Israel with a deadlier and less predictable struggle.

“Palestine” is dying. Israel didn’t kill it. The fall of the transnational order did. The question is what will take its place. As the nationalist wave sweeps the West, Israel has the opportunity to reclaim its nation.

The End of Palestine

I seriously doubt that Israel would want to reclaim Palestine.

Best thing is wall them off in Gaza forever.

Gaza has always been Palestinian ever since the days of King David in 1000 BCE.

The Sea People Greeks settled there after the Trojan War back in 1450 BC. Palestinians and Philistines are Greek not Arab nor Semitic.

 

[montelatici]

So, in your opinion Egypt is not on the African continent.

 

[yiostheoy]

But where, when and how did the Palestinians acquire territory?

After the Romans kicked the Jews out of Judea around 100 A.D. the indigenous Philistines moved in and took it over.

The issue was Roman taxation. Maybe the Jew's should have taken Jesus' advice -- render to Caesar.

The British Balfour Declaration in 1917 during WW1 began the immigration of Jews back into Judea, which culminated in 1948 in the Israeli war for independence.

Israel has been a sovereign nation ever since 1948.

The Palestinians have been trying at a counter revolution ever since.

But they have only managed to cause trouble.

The 1967 and 1973 wars are two of the latest overt examples.

Since then terrorist pinpricks have been regularly occurring.

Walling-off Gaza should solve this problem.

Then the Palestinians can rot in Gaza without a border to cross for jobs and terrorism.

 

[yiostheoy]

So, in your opinion Egypt is not on the African continent.

Straw man ??

 

[montelatici]

So, in your opinion Egypt is not on the African continent.

Straw man ??

No, it was directed at someone else.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There was a legal possibility. If both sides signed it they would have had a treaty.

Yes. Thank you.

The Palestinians did not cede any territory to create a Jewish state.

But where, when and how did the Palestinians acquire territory?

It has been Palestinian territory since the beginning in 1924. If it was not the Palestinian's then whose was it?

 

[Slyhunter]

There is only one path to peace, the full expulsion of Muslims.

So quick to demand genocide, huh?

Muslim isn't a race.

 

[Shusha]

It has been Palestinian territory since the beginning in 1924. If it was not the Palestinian's then whose was it?

Oh, I'm not disputing that the territory was called "Palestine", thus that it was "Palestinian territory". It was. But it was Palestinian territory which was to become the Jewish National Home (under the sovereignty of the Jewish people). Which it did, in point of fact, become.

So the Jewish government which arose between 1922-1924 fit perfectly with the Mandate for Palestine, in all ways, including the legal one. You have no basis for which to say that the Jewish government guiding the sovereignty of the Jewish people, under the Mandate for which the Jewish National Homeland was obligated, is illegal.

It fits perfectly within the legal framework of the day.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It was. But it was Palestinian territory which was to become the Jewish National Home

OK, but what procedure was to transfer that territory? It is illegal to just take it by force.

 

[rylah]

But where, when and how did the Palestinians acquire territory?

After the Romans kicked the Jews out of Judea around 100 A.D. the indigenous Philistines moved in and took it over.

The issue was Roman taxation. Maybe the Jew's should have taken Jesus' advice -- render to Caesar.

The British Balfour Declaration in 1917 during WW1 began the immigration of Jews back into Judea, which culminated in 1948 in the Israeli war for independence.

Israel has been a sovereign nation ever since 1948.

The Palestinians have been trying at a counter revolution ever since.

But they have only managed to cause trouble.

The 1967 and 1973 wars are two of the latest overt examples.

Since then terrorist pinpricks have been regularly occurring.

Walling-off Gaza should solve this problem.

Then the Palestinians can rot in Gaza without a border to cross for jobs and terrorism.

And already 100 years after Jews begin to produce huge volumes of works in the Galilee. The 6 parts of Mishnah by Yehuda Nasi the Tana, and the Jerusalem Talmud some 200 years later by Amoraim explaining the Mishnah. All dealing with arguments of Judean Rabis of the time

The notion that there were no Jews is more of a wish rather than how things actually went. If someone wrote a law banning Jews from the land- it's still doesn't mean it's the reality everywhere- it's only someone's wish.

The volume of the works speak for themselves.

 

[Shusha]

It was. But it was Palestinian territory which was to become the Jewish National Home

OK, but what procedure was to transfer that territory?

You've already acknowledged that the territory was transferred. It was transferred from the Ottoman Empire to the various inhabitants according to the documents and legal instruments which created Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq. Also Palestine (which was later called Israel by the Jewish people).

So let's use the example of Syria. The treaties of Sevres and Lausanne transferred the territory from the Ottomans to the Allied Powers, yes? But only in terms of a trustee relationship, holding the land until such time as the inhabitants became capable of self-government, yes? According to you the sovereignty of the territory and the borders of that territory was fixed at the moment of the creation of the Mandate and not at the moment when the inhabitants were capable of self-government, yes? So Syria became a State in 1924ish even though it still had some housekeeping issues to clean up (like declarations of independence and acceptance into the UN, etc). (This is all my understanding of your argument, btw. I would make a slightly different argument.)

It happened the same way in Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It was. But it was Palestinian territory which was to become the Jewish National Home

OK, but what procedure was to transfer that territory?

You've already acknowledged that the territory was transferred. It was transferred from the Ottoman Empire to the various inhabitants according to the documents and legal instruments which created Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq. Also Palestine (which was later called Israel by the Jewish people).

So let's use the example of Syria. The treaties of Sevres and Lausanne transferred the territory from the Ottomans to the Allied Powers, yes? But only in terms of a trustee relationship, holding the land until such time as the inhabitants became capable of self-government, yes? According to you the sovereignty of the territory and the borders of that territory was fixed at the moment of the creation of the Mandate and not at the moment when the inhabitants were capable of self-government, yes? So Syria became a State in 1924ish even though it still had some housekeeping issues to clean up (like declarations of independence and acceptance into the UN, etc). (This is all my understanding of your argument, btw. I would make a slightly different argument.)

It happened the same way in Palestine.

Palestine was the only exception. The inhabitants were removed and replaced by foreign settlers. All of the other countries the inhabitants stayed in place.

 

[Shusha]

Palestine was the only exception. The inhabitants were removed and replaced by foreign settlers.

The inhabitants of Palestine were removed prior to 1922-1924? I have never heard of such a thing. Please enlighten me.

Oh, you mean in 1948. Again, you can't use the conflict of 1948 to retroactively declare events from 1922-1924 illegal.

 

[montelatici]

When you start a process of colonization and only succeed in removing most of the native inhabitants, and gaining power over the native inhabitants later, does not make the the initial process of colonization legal.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine was the only exception. The inhabitants were removed and replaced by foreign settlers.

The inhabitants of Palestine were removed prior to 1922-1924? I have never heard of such a thing. Please enlighten me.

Oh, you mean in 1948. Again, you can't use the conflict of 1948 to retroactively declare events from 1922-1924 illegal.

Settler colonialism is a process not an event. You cannot put a specific date on it.

 

[yiostheoy]

There is only one path to peace, the full expulsion of Muslims.

So quick to demand genocide, huh?

Muslim isn't a race.

True.

It is a mental disease.