The duty #1 of True Christians is soulwinning.

[BreezeWood]

The Churches sold their own out over a half century ago.

We have Jesus and we have the Holy Bible.
We must preach and fight for any soul.
That's very simple.

We do not need traitorous 'priests'

We have Jesus and we have the Holy Bible.

no, you have only forgeries and fallacies ... and certainly not the 1st century religious itinerant you crucified.

Covid-19 Flu Hoax is a new form of communist totalitarism.

nothing new about it, history repeats itself when the sinners have gone mad ...

the present pandemic is directed squarely against the biblical communities and their support of the present gov't - they elected.

God, infinitely perfect and blessed in himself, in a plan of sheer goodness freely created man to make him share in his own blessed life. For this reason, at every time and in every place, God draws close to man. He calls man to seek him, to know him, to love him with all his strength. He calls together all men, scattered and divided by sin, into the unity of his family, the Church. To accomplish this, when the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son as Redeemer and Savior. In his Son and through him, he invites men to become, in the Holy Spirit, his adopted children and thus heirs of his blessed life.

He calls together all men ...

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speaking of mad men, sinners - your it bing, through and through.

calls all beings the same by the religion of antiquity for admission to the Everlasting without exception for whom ever accomplishes the feat - on their own and together. as Garden Earth attests as the example - abandoned by the desert religions.

Sticks and stones, bro, sticks and stones.

Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. Christ's Ascension into heaven signifies his participation, in his humanity, in God's power and authority. Jesus Christ is Lord: he possesses all power in heaven and on earth. He is "far above all rule and authority and power and dominion", for the Father "has put all things under his feet."Christ is Lord of the cosmos and of history. In him human history and indeed all creation are "set forth" and transcendently fulfilled.

As Lord, Christ is also head of the Church, which is his Body. Taken up to heaven and glorified after he had thus fully accomplished his mission, Christ dwells on earth in his Church. The redemption is the source of the authority that Christ, by virtue of the Holy Spirit, exercises over the Church. "The kingdom of Christ [is] already present in mystery", "on earth, the seed and the beginning of the kingdom".

Since the Ascension God's plan has entered into its fulfillment. We are already at "the last hour". "Already the final age of the world is with us, and the renewal of the world is irrevocably under way; it is even now anticipated in a certain real way, for the Church on earth is endowed already with a sanctity that is real but imperfect." Christ's kingdom already manifests its presence through the miraculous signs that attend its proclamation by the Church.

. . .until all things are subjected to him

Though already present in his Church, Christ's reign is nevertheless yet to be fulfilled "with power and great glory" by the King's return to earth. This reign is still under attack by the evil powers, even though they have been defeated definitively by Christ's Passover. Until everything is subject to him, "until there be realized new heavens and a new earth in which justice dwells, the pilgrim Church, in her sacraments and institutions, which belong to this present age, carries the mark of this world which will pass, and she herself takes her place among the creatures which groan and travail yet and await the revelation of the sons of God." That is why Christians pray, above all in the Eucharist, to hasten Christ's return by saying to him: Marana tha! "Our Lord, come!"

Before his Ascension Christ affirmed that the hour had not yet come for the glorious establishment of the messianic kingdom awaited by Israel which, according to the prophets, was to bring all men the definitive order of justice, love and peace. According to the Lord, the present time is the time of the Spirit and of witness, but also a time still marked by "distress" and the trial of evil which does not spare the Church and ushers in the struggles of the last days. It is a time of waiting and watching.

The glorious advent of Christ, the hope of Israel

Since the Ascension Christ's coming in glory has been imminent, even though "it is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has fixed by his own authority." This eschatological coming could be accomplished at any moment, even if both it and the final trial that will precede it are "delayed".

The glorious Messiah's coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by "all Israel", for "a hardening has come upon part of Israel" in their "unbelief" toward Jesus. St. Peter says to the Jews of Jerusalem after Pentecost: "Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old." St. Paul echoes him: "For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?" The "full inclusion" of the Jews in the Messiah's salvation, in the wake of "the full number of the Gentiles", will enable the People of God to achieve "the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ", in which "God may be all in all".

The Church's ultimate trial

Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.

The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.

The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection. The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.

Sticks and stones, bro, sticks and stones.

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those are real - unlike anything else for the rest of your selfdelusional post ...

truth being they unnecessarily died in opposition to your post and was the real reason for their crucifixion. for all humanity to triumph over sin for their own salvation and admission to the Everlasting.

It's horrible how much you suffer because of religion.

A church which does not work for soulwinning is a fluffy- bunny- hippie- dippie- political correct communist one.

It's horrible how much you suffer because of religion.

.
do you ever consider what you are responding to - the dark side is the same irregardless the chosen field ... bing.

persecution and victimization of the innocent is your cup of tea you spread through a literary plague and catechisms to induce zombia, senseless cultures ... surreptitiously using one of theirs from the 1st century as your foil.

 

[ding]

The Churches sold their own out over a half century ago.

We have Jesus and we have the Holy Bible.
We must preach and fight for any soul.
That's very simple.

We do not need traitorous 'priests'

We have Jesus and we have the Holy Bible.

no, you have only forgeries and fallacies ... and certainly not the 1st century religious itinerant you crucified.

Covid-19 Flu Hoax is a new form of communist totalitarism.

nothing new about it, history repeats itself when the sinners have gone mad ...

the present pandemic is directed squarely against the biblical communities and their support of the present gov't - they elected.

God, infinitely perfect and blessed in himself, in a plan of sheer goodness freely created man to make him share in his own blessed life. For this reason, at every time and in every place, God draws close to man. He calls man to seek him, to know him, to love him with all his strength. He calls together all men, scattered and divided by sin, into the unity of his family, the Church. To accomplish this, when the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son as Redeemer and Savior. In his Son and through him, he invites men to become, in the Holy Spirit, his adopted children and thus heirs of his blessed life.

He calls together all men ...

.
speaking of mad men, sinners - your it bing, through and through.

calls all beings the same by the religion of antiquity for admission to the Everlasting without exception for whom ever accomplishes the feat - on their own and together. as Garden Earth attests as the example - abandoned by the desert religions.

Sticks and stones, bro, sticks and stones.

Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. Christ's Ascension into heaven signifies his participation, in his humanity, in God's power and authority. Jesus Christ is Lord: he possesses all power in heaven and on earth. He is "far above all rule and authority and power and dominion", for the Father "has put all things under his feet."Christ is Lord of the cosmos and of history. In him human history and indeed all creation are "set forth" and transcendently fulfilled.

As Lord, Christ is also head of the Church, which is his Body. Taken up to heaven and glorified after he had thus fully accomplished his mission, Christ dwells on earth in his Church. The redemption is the source of the authority that Christ, by virtue of the Holy Spirit, exercises over the Church. "The kingdom of Christ [is] already present in mystery", "on earth, the seed and the beginning of the kingdom".

Since the Ascension God's plan has entered into its fulfillment. We are already at "the last hour". "Already the final age of the world is with us, and the renewal of the world is irrevocably under way; it is even now anticipated in a certain real way, for the Church on earth is endowed already with a sanctity that is real but imperfect." Christ's kingdom already manifests its presence through the miraculous signs that attend its proclamation by the Church.

. . .until all things are subjected to him

Though already present in his Church, Christ's reign is nevertheless yet to be fulfilled "with power and great glory" by the King's return to earth. This reign is still under attack by the evil powers, even though they have been defeated definitively by Christ's Passover. Until everything is subject to him, "until there be realized new heavens and a new earth in which justice dwells, the pilgrim Church, in her sacraments and institutions, which belong to this present age, carries the mark of this world which will pass, and she herself takes her place among the creatures which groan and travail yet and await the revelation of the sons of God." That is why Christians pray, above all in the Eucharist, to hasten Christ's return by saying to him: Marana tha! "Our Lord, come!"

Before his Ascension Christ affirmed that the hour had not yet come for the glorious establishment of the messianic kingdom awaited by Israel which, according to the prophets, was to bring all men the definitive order of justice, love and peace. According to the Lord, the present time is the time of the Spirit and of witness, but also a time still marked by "distress" and the trial of evil which does not spare the Church and ushers in the struggles of the last days. It is a time of waiting and watching.

The glorious advent of Christ, the hope of Israel

Since the Ascension Christ's coming in glory has been imminent, even though "it is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has fixed by his own authority." This eschatological coming could be accomplished at any moment, even if both it and the final trial that will precede it are "delayed".

The glorious Messiah's coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by "all Israel", for "a hardening has come upon part of Israel" in their "unbelief" toward Jesus. St. Peter says to the Jews of Jerusalem after Pentecost: "Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old." St. Paul echoes him: "For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?" The "full inclusion" of the Jews in the Messiah's salvation, in the wake of "the full number of the Gentiles", will enable the People of God to achieve "the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ", in which "God may be all in all".

The Church's ultimate trial

Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.

The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.

The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection. The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.

Sticks and stones, bro, sticks and stones.

.
those are real - unlike anything else for the rest of your selfdelusional post ...

truth being they unnecessarily died in opposition to your post and was the real reason for their crucifixion. for all humanity to triumph over sin for their own salvation and admission to the Everlasting.

It's horrible how much you suffer because of religion.

A church which does not work for soulwinning is a fluffy- bunny- hippie- dippie- political correct communist one.

It's horrible how much you suffer because of religion.

.
do you ever consider what you are responding to - the dark side is the same irregardless the chosen field ... bing.

persecution and victimization of the innocent is your cup of tea you spread through a literary plague and catechisms to induce zombia, senseless cultures ... surreptitiously using one of theirs from the 1st century as your foil.

As near as I can tell, you are the dark side. You are the only one who is persecuting. You are the aggressor.

 

[norwegen]

LOL! OK I get it.

Mega pastors are mega rich.

How many can you name? they constitute a very tiny percentage of pastors, for one, and not all of them are corrupt; those that are get caught out pretty quickly these days. Copeland is on his way down, for instance. Osteen is only going to go up, since we know he's not a crook, as another example; he's the most examined and investigated preacher in history. The overwhelmingly vast majority of ministers and pastors work day jobs and preach at small churches, and never make a dime off their work.

Yea, just a handful of mega-church pastors live lavishly off the fixed incomes of seniors. Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Jesse Duplantis, and a few others.

A great many pastors, though, maybe the majority, preach a biblical mandate for tithes and offerings, and connect it in some way to their congregations' spiritual well-being. That was the intent of my original entry in this thread. A lot of people think that if they drop some money in the offering plate, it's good for their soul.

 

[Picaro]

LOL! OK I get it.

Mega pastors are mega rich.

How many can you name? they constitute a very tiny percentage of pastors, for one, and not all of them are corrupt; those that are get caught out pretty quickly these days. Copeland is on his way down, for instance. Osteen is only going to go up, since we know he's not a crook, as another example; he's the most examined and investigated preacher in history. The overwhelmingly vast majority of ministers and pastors work day jobs and preach at small churches, and never make a dime off their work.

Yea, just a handful of mega-church pastors live lavishly off the fixed incomes of seniors. Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Jesse Duplantis, and a few others.

A great many pastors, though, maybe the majority, preach a biblical mandate for tithes and offerings, and connect it in some way to their congregations' spiritual well-being. That was the intent of my original entry in this thread. A lot of people think that if they drop some money in the offering plate, it's good for their soul.

A few do, most don't; they have other sources of income; Osteen and Warren make a lot off of book royalties, getting in the range of $14 million up front from publishers, and he has put out some 25-30 books.. Osteen hasn't taken a dime from his church since 2005, and paid off its building bonds out of his own pocket, and more. His net worth is low considering his income, he should be worth 2-3 times what is listed for him, so he's obviously given a lot of it away. Warren is not much different. Benny Hinn, not one I like, draws a salarty of from $2-$5 million a year, but all his royalties go into the ministry, and he is the franchise, which brings in over $120 million in some years, so relative to what he brings in he isn't over-compensated; the general rough rule of thumb is a pastor gets paid an average of $8 a year for every weekly attendee, so a church with 100 a week isn't going to be paying a pastor much, while a church with over 45,000 a week, like Osteen's, would be paying roughly in the range of $300,000 to $360,000 a year, and would be paid as a contractor, not an employee, so the full Social Security and all payroll comes out of that pay. That isn't far out of line for running an organization that size, and as already known Osteen doesn't take any pay. He also pays for his tours out of his own pocket. The clown who sits in the front chair of that subway in the Bay Area was getting close to $25 an hour to prees 'Stop' and 'Go' when I lived out there in the mid-1990's, just to sit there and watch dials; the train drove itself.

In any case, people who are trying to buy their way into Heaven are dishonest themselves, so I don't lose sleep over them and their attempts at bribery; they would just be swindled by somebody else in most cases. Better a Copeland or a Creflow Dollar gets it than some real estate scam or freak cult like NOI or Scientology.

I also don't buy the belief that Christians all have to live out of dumpsters either; they couldn't fill all that is requried of the social networks they're commanded to operate re taking care of widows, orphans, and their congregations if they were all supposed to be beggars. The success of those is what attracted Constantine to them in the first place, and heput them in charge of the Empire's social programs for that treason; others of the Tetrarchy tried to compete by ordering the pagan cults to set up and run the same sort of programs, and they all failed miserably; not a popular fact of history with right wingers, who seem to think they can be Christians and Social Darwinists at the same time, but historically accurate.

 

[BreezeWood]

LOL! OK I get it.

Mega pastors are mega rich.

How many can you name? they constitute a very tiny percentage of pastors, for one, and not all of them are corrupt; those that are get caught out pretty quickly these days. Copeland is on his way down, for instance. Osteen is only going to go up, since we know he's not a crook, as another example; he's the most examined and investigated preacher in history. The overwhelmingly vast majority of ministers and pastors work day jobs and preach at small churches, and never make a dime off their work.

Yea, just a handful of mega-church pastors live lavishly off the fixed incomes of seniors. Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Jesse Duplantis, and a few others.

A great many pastors, though, maybe the majority, preach a biblical mandate for tithes and offerings, and connect it in some way to their congregations' spiritual well-being. That was the intent of my original entry in this thread. A lot of people think that if they drop some money in the offering plate, it's good for their soul.

A lot of people think that if they drop some money in the offering plate, it's good for their soul.

.
no worry, you can do it by mail ...

notice the (Postage Paid) - soulwinning at its finest ...

 

[ding]

LOL! OK I get it.

Mega pastors are mega rich.

How many can you name? they constitute a very tiny percentage of pastors, for one, and not all of them are corrupt; those that are get caught out pretty quickly these days. Copeland is on his way down, for instance. Osteen is only going to go up, since we know he's not a crook, as another example; he's the most examined and investigated preacher in history. The overwhelmingly vast majority of ministers and pastors work day jobs and preach at small churches, and never make a dime off their work.

Yea, just a handful of mega-church pastors live lavishly off the fixed incomes of seniors. Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Jesse Duplantis, and a few others.

A great many pastors, though, maybe the majority, preach a biblical mandate for tithes and offerings, and connect it in some way to their congregations' spiritual well-being. That was the intent of my original entry in this thread. A lot of people think that if they drop some money in the offering plate, it's good for their soul.

A lot of people think that if they drop some money in the offering plate, it's good for their soul.

.
no worry, you can do it by mail ...

View attachment 367899

notice the (Postage Paid) - soulwinning at its finest ...

Karl Marx made the exact same argument you are attempting to make.

It didn't work for him either.

 

[BreezeWood]

LOL! OK I get it.

Mega pastors are mega rich.

How many can you name? they constitute a very tiny percentage of pastors, for one, and not all of them are corrupt; those that are get caught out pretty quickly these days. Copeland is on his way down, for instance. Osteen is only going to go up, since we know he's not a crook, as another example; he's the most examined and investigated preacher in history. The overwhelmingly vast majority of ministers and pastors work day jobs and preach at small churches, and never make a dime off their work.

Yea, just a handful of mega-church pastors live lavishly off the fixed incomes of seniors. Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Jesse Duplantis, and a few others.

A great many pastors, though, maybe the majority, preach a biblical mandate for tithes and offerings, and connect it in some way to their congregations' spiritual well-being. That was the intent of my original entry in this thread. A lot of people think that if they drop some money in the offering plate, it's good for their soul.

A lot of people think that if they drop some money in the offering plate, it's good for their soul.

.
no worry, you can do it by mail ...

View attachment 367899

notice the (Postage Paid) - soulwinning at its finest ...

Karl Marx made the exact same argument you are attempting to make.

It didn't work for him either.

.

Karl Marx made the exact same argument you are attempting to make.

It didn't work for him either.

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no, marx did not concur with the events of the first century for various reasons but did recognize at a certain level the forgeries and fallacies that represent your christian bible ... correctly.

 

[ding]

LOL! OK I get it.

Mega pastors are mega rich.

How many can you name? they constitute a very tiny percentage of pastors, for one, and not all of them are corrupt; those that are get caught out pretty quickly these days. Copeland is on his way down, for instance. Osteen is only going to go up, since we know he's not a crook, as another example; he's the most examined and investigated preacher in history. The overwhelmingly vast majority of ministers and pastors work day jobs and preach at small churches, and never make a dime off their work.

Yea, just a handful of mega-church pastors live lavishly off the fixed incomes of seniors. Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Jesse Duplantis, and a few others.

A great many pastors, though, maybe the majority, preach a biblical mandate for tithes and offerings, and connect it in some way to their congregations' spiritual well-being. That was the intent of my original entry in this thread. A lot of people think that if they drop some money in the offering plate, it's good for their soul.

A lot of people think that if they drop some money in the offering plate, it's good for their soul.

.
no worry, you can do it by mail ...

View attachment 367899

notice the (Postage Paid) - soulwinning at its finest ...

Karl Marx made the exact same argument you are attempting to make.

It didn't work for him either.

.

Karl Marx made the exact same argument you are attempting to make.

It didn't work for him either.

.
no, marx did not concur with the events of the first century for various reasons but did recognize at a certain level the forgeries and fallacies that represent your christian bible ... correctly.

That wasn't what I was referring to, subversive.

 

[Picaro]

LOL! OK I get it.

Mega pastors are mega rich.

How many can you name? they constitute a very tiny percentage of pastors, for one, and not all of them are corrupt; those that are get caught out pretty quickly these days. Copeland is on his way down, for instance. Osteen is only going to go up, since we know he's not a crook, as another example; he's the most examined and investigated preacher in history. The overwhelmingly vast majority of ministers and pastors work day jobs and preach at small churches, and never make a dime off their work.

Yea, just a handful of mega-church pastors live lavishly off the fixed incomes of seniors. Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Jesse Duplantis, and a few others.

A great many pastors, though, maybe the majority, preach a biblical mandate for tithes and offerings, and connect it in some way to their congregations' spiritual well-being. That was the intent of my original entry in this thread. A lot of people think that if they drop some money in the offering plate, it's good for their soul.

A lot of people think that if they drop some money in the offering plate, it's good for their soul.

.
no worry, you can do it by mail ...

View attachment 367899

notice the (Postage Paid) - soulwinning at its finest ...

Karl Marx made the exact same argument you are attempting to make.

It didn't work for him either.

thye complain about how churches have to go about raising funds, then they complain when they allegedly operate businesses like bake sales and the like. The only point is to prevent churches from even existing.

 

[BreezeWood]

LOL! OK I get it.

Mega pastors are mega rich.

How many can you name? they constitute a very tiny percentage of pastors, for one, and not all of them are corrupt; those that are get caught out pretty quickly these days. Copeland is on his way down, for instance. Osteen is only going to go up, since we know he's not a crook, as another example; he's the most examined and investigated preacher in history. The overwhelmingly vast majority of ministers and pastors work day jobs and preach at small churches, and never make a dime off their work.

Yea, just a handful of mega-church pastors live lavishly off the fixed incomes of seniors. Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Jesse Duplantis, and a few others.

A great many pastors, though, maybe the majority, preach a biblical mandate for tithes and offerings, and connect it in some way to their congregations' spiritual well-being. That was the intent of my original entry in this thread. A lot of people think that if they drop some money in the offering plate, it's good for their soul.

A lot of people think that if they drop some money in the offering plate, it's good for their soul.

.
no worry, you can do it by mail ...

View attachment 367899

notice the (Postage Paid) - soulwinning at its finest ...

Karl Marx made the exact same argument you are attempting to make.

It didn't work for him either.

thye complain about how churches have to go about raising funds, then they complain when they allegedly operate businesses like bake sales and the like. The only point is to prevent churches from even existing.

.

thye complain about how churches have to go about raising funds, then they complain when they allegedly operate businesses like bake sales and the like. The only point is to prevent churches from even existing.

.
no picaro -

there are other considerations, they crucified an innocent itinerant then latter the crucifiers wrote a book using their victim as a foil for their unjust deeds and have been committing the same crime against the innocent for centuries - the christian bible and the same for the other two desert religions in their own ways writing forgeries and fallacies to perpetuate the distortions they disguise as religions.

 

[ninja007]

The behavior of the Christian right has done more to drive people away from religion than anything else. Not sure how you win any soul God would want by being assholes. .

yes pointing out evil, sin and darkness to sinners tends to make them feel uncomfortable.