Zone1 The Design Argument for God’s Existence.

[Woodznutz]

Well that's total nonsense.

In reality, science has shown us that design is simply not necessary at all to form things that are complicated and "seem designed" to our puny little minds.

Which is why everyone shoud think it is absurd that this thread even exists in the year 2024.

Design is revealed in function as well as form. The formless tissues of the larynx reveal elegant function, thus design. Other organs reveal both elegant design and function, such as the eyes.

 

[ding]

No.

Value has nothing to do with it.

It does when you define value as having a desirable or esteemed characteristics or qualities which are of great use or service. Value is the impetuous behind almost everything. Hence there is no value to man in removing all content or knowledge of God. The value offered to man knowing God is hope and peace.

 

[frigidweirdo]

they may deny the evidence presented ... the physiological transformation guided by its unique spiritual content.

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what in fact is not known or proven is the ability of the spiritual content to exist after the physiology expires or may actually be an evolutionary goal.

It's not proven because... it can't be proven, because it doesn't exist.

This is merely humans creating something out of thin air to meet their needs in explaining something that they don't know.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The universe exists and could not have created itself.

A) Why couldn't it have created itself?
B) Why couldn't it have just existed ALWAYS?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Design is revealed in function as well as form. The formless tissues of the larynx reveal elegant function, thus design. Other organs reveal both elegant design and function, such as the eyes.

That makes no sense.

You're literally saying "we don't understand this, therefore there has to be a God."

So, who made God then? God must be elegant, elegant enough to do what he does and create things, so he MUST HAVE BEEN CREATED according to your logic.

 

[ding]

You're literally saying "we don't understand this, therefore there has to be a God."

Or maybe you don't understand this so you say there is no God. I understand it and conclude the physical world is made up of mind stuff and that rather than mind being a late outgrowth of the evolution of space and time, mind is the source or matrix of the physical world. This is a life breeding, intelligence creating universe because the constant presence of mind created it such that given enough time and the right conditions, beings that know and create would eventually arise.

 

[Woodznutz]

That makes no sense.

You're literally saying "we don't understand this, therefore there has to be a God."

So, who made God then? God must be elegant, elegant enough to do what he does and create things, so he MUST HAVE BEEN CREATED according to your logic.

The good book says that God has always existed. It also says that there are things humans cannot understand. I'm good with that.

 

[expat500]

the constant presence of mind

Do you think that will still be there, when we physically die?

If not, where does it go to?

 

[BreezeWood]

Design is revealed in function as well as form. The formless tissues of the larynx reveal elegant function, thus design. Other organs reveal both elegant design and function, such as the eyes.

as the pursuit of beauty ... leave that not to the desert of servitude and denial.

the heavens may be granted more praise than warranted for the vast majority of the universe - if there is a monotheistic responsible god, they are definitely lacking in a definitive work ethics. as being a bit lazy.

however the heavens of metaphysical forces can be seen as doing the best it can to produce anything - as life and that life itself can perform the miracles it deserves credit for and not a phony 10000 page religious document.

 

[Oddball]

It's not proven because... it can't be proven, because it doesn't exist.

This is merely humans creating something out of thin air to meet their needs in explaining something that they don't know.

Sounds an awful lot like what scientists refer to as "hypothesis".

 

[Oddball]

There's no evidence that there's any "spiritual content" at all. People want to believe, so they believe.

Never heard of 21 grams, eh?

 

[ding]

Do you think that will still be there, when we physically die?

If not, where does it go to?

The constant presence of mind I was referring to is God. What happens at our physical death I haven't a clue nor is it my focus.

 

[Libby von H]

“The Bible teaches us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go.”​

― Neil deGrasse Tyson

The likely hood, that Moses appropriated Egyptian and or Mesopotamian cosmology beliefs is very plausible.

Tyson was quoting and passing it off as his own.
As to the speculation about Moses, one should realize 3 things
1) Logically what is most likely is that BOTH pass on from a common 3rd source. "occurs when we mistakenly infer a cause-and-effect relationship between two correlated events or factors that actually share a common cause. " why ? Because ANE was heir to many many common things like that. Take the Genesis account :
Mesopotamian
Sumerian creation myth
Atra-Hasis
Gilgamesh flood myth

2) Appropriated hardly can be the right word for a few takings from a VAST source such as each was.

3) How about the greater likelihood that the unique 'Hebrew" culture passed into Egypt. IN most cultures when something totally foreign is introduced it gains tremendous curreny even when it is accompanied by rejection. We see eg around 300 BC maybe a million Jews in Alexandria whose main language is Greek

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Design is revealed in function as well as form.

No.

Design is imagined by puny human minds that are prone to error. And that are handicapped by magical fetishes that are held true above all else.

 

[Woodznutz]

No.

Design is imagined by puny human minds that are prone to error. And that are handicapped by magical fetishes that are held true above all else.

Nothing functions without being designed to do so.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The good book says that God has always existed. It also says that there are things humans cannot understand. I'm good with that.

So, if God has always existed, then the universe can always have existed and doesn't need to have had a God to create it.

And yes, there are things humans can't understand. So why does religion then conveniently fill in those gaps?

 

[Woodznutz]

So, if God has always existed, then the universe can always have existed and doesn't need to have had a God to create it.

And yes, there are things humans can't understand. So why does religion then conveniently fill in those gaps?

If God created the universe, then God existed before the universe.

 

[Woodznutz]

So, if God has always existed, then the universe can always have existed and doesn't need to have had a God to create it.

And yes, there are things humans can't understand. So why does religion then conveniently fill in those gaps?

God provides believers with understanding unavailable to unbelievers.

 

[frigidweirdo]

If God created the universe, then God existed before the universe.

Yes. But if God always existed then he doesn't need to have created the universe because the universe can have existed for all time too.

Literally you have two choices.

1) Things can have existed for all time
2) Things can't have existed for all time.

Which is it?

 

[frigidweirdo]

God provides believers with understanding unavailable to unbelievers.

The problem with this "understanding" is that it's FALSE.

The understanding was that God sat up there in the skies. Heaven was up, hell was down. Therefore heaven was the skies. We literally have expressions of the heavens "heavens above" and "the heavens opened" to indicate where people thought the heavens were.

And yet we got into space and we proved it wrong.

So, tell me, what understanding do you think exists that is unavailable to unbelievers? And does this understand extend to all believers across all religions?