The Democrats are teaching us a lesson. Again.

[Natural Citizen]

 

[bendog]

Fiscal conservatives exist in the GOP

But the argument against deficit spending has been rather difficult to prove so far

We just keep piling on more national debt and nothing really, REALLY bad happens

So what are the deficit hawks supposed to do?

Are yu fucking kidding? Where were you when McConelll gifted his FIL and wife with that LAST tax cut?

 

[bendog]

I agree, across the board. The notions of balance and equilibrium have been thrown out by both parties. While the two Democratic holdouts are causing problems for the party, at least they seem to get it.

There can still be some compromise. But the gop will never vote for any compromise that raises taxes.

And there are no fiscal conservatives left in the gop, because they will ALWAYS cut taxes (which does NOT increase GNP when the econ is expanding and there's a lack of demand but excess capital as WEVE PROVEN OVER AND OVER) and VOTE FOR MORE SPENDING. They do it every god damn time.

The gop in 2008 was not going to make ANY compromise that effectuated universal healthcare. Bob Bennett and Wyden did have bipartisan bill, but we saw what happened to Bennett ... and the bill did raise taxes (actually it ended tax expenditures). And to be honest, the bill failed to do what Obama wanted which was to have the fed govt determine what was going to be covered in insurance.

McConnell and Biden did have a budget compromise in Obama's second term. But because the GOP house wouldn't pass it, despite most gopers favoring it, it went nowhere.

The 1T infrastcture bill was a compromise effort that has some "revenue enhancement" but it only passed because it used mostly already appropriated money.

 

[BrokeLoser]

We have more diversity in the democratic party, which is the US.

Thats where the problem lies…just like in ALL your Dem run ‘diverse’ shitholes. DIVERSITY DESTROYS!
Look at all the data….An all white, all heterosexual, all protestant christian America is a safer, united and more productive America.
Thats a scary racist fact if you “FOLLOW THE SCIENCE“….ask Mac1958 and Unkotare to prove otherwise…They can’t so they won’t.

 

[Mac-7]

Are yu fucking kidding? Where were you when McConelll gifted his FIL and wife with that LAST tax cut?

If the tax cuts reduced revenue (for the sake of argument I’ll take your word for that) we can roll them back

But we can never raise taxes enough to catch up with government’s lust for spending

And spending is the real problem

 

[Mac1958]

There can still be some compromise. But the gop will never vote for any compromise that raises taxes.

And there are no fiscal conservatives left in the gop, because they will ALWAYS cut taxes (which does NOT increase GNP when the econ is expanding and there's a lack of demand but excess capital as WEVE PROVEN OVER AND OVER) and VOTE FOR MORE SPENDING. They do it every god damn time.

The gop in 2008 was not going to make ANY compromise that effectuated universal healthcare. Bob Bennett and Wyden did have bipartisan bill, but we saw what happened to Bennett ... and the bill did raise taxes (actually it ended tax expenditures). And to be honest, the bill failed to do what Obama wanted which was to have the fed govt determine what was going to be covered in insurance.

McConnell and Biden did have a budget compromise in Obama's second term. But because the GOP house wouldn't pass it, despite most gopers favoring it, it went nowhere.

The 1T infrastcture bill was a compromise effort that has some "revenue enhancement" but it only passed because it used mostly already appropriated money.

I've made a suggestion a few times that the "Republicans" here didn't appreciate: Cut spending first, then cut taxes. The GOP politicians have their voters convinced that they're serious, while they just continue to play the same game.

The problem is the system under which these people operate. And we clearly don't care enough to fix it.


#ForwardParty

 

[BluesLegend]

The house turned blue in 2018

...after Dems stole many House seat elections with 'ballot harvesting'.

 

[bendog]

If the tax cuts reduced revenue (for the sake of argument I’ll take your word for that) we can roll them back

But we can never raise taxes enough to catch up with government’s lust for spending

And spending is the real problem

Well there's no way to cut spending when boomers are retiring, so just stop that nonsense if you want me to take you seriously, even a little. And the gop INCREASES SPENDING ON CORP WELFARE AND DEFENSE WHILE CUTTING TAXES.

and again, if an econ is expanding, and if there is not lack of capital and the tax code does not reward inefficient investiment (as it did in the late 70s and 80s) ...cutting taxes has never increased gnp over and above its already track of increase

btw, raising taxes could lead to less capital supply though. But if it also led to less govt borrowing, raising taxes could still be a good idea. Raising taxes just to give people who don't work more money is not only morally reprehensible but also not going to increase productivity ... and it'd probably result in more welfare deadbeats and people like Red Bernie.

 

[Mac-7]

Well there's no way to cut spending when boomers are retiring, so just stop that nonsense if you want me to take you seriously, even a little. And the gop INCREASES SPENDING ON CORP WELFARE AND DEFENSE WHILE CUTTING TAXES.

Why pick on Boomers?

Freeze gov spending with no automatic annual increases

and then reduce every budget, entitlement or not, by 1% next year

In no time we will have balanced the budget

 

[bripat9643]

Exactly...this isn't "Dems in Disarray"

It's Manchin and Sinema...both corporate shills

Manchin owns a coal brokerage and Sinema is in the pocket of big Pharma. And that's just what is public knowledge.

Remember how you leftwing douche bags attacked Republicans for wanting to push Lynn Cheney out of the party?

Here is where you admit that your attacks were totally disingenuous.

 

[BluesLegend]

If the tax cuts reduced revenue (for the sake of argument I’ll take your word for that) we can roll them back

But we can never raise taxes enough to catch up with government’s lust for spending

And spending is the real problem

Biden LIED is ass off. Biden claims he's not punishing success, then punishes successful people with $2 trillion in tax increases. That's 2,000 billion dollars in Biden tax increases. Trump cut taxes, Biden increases taxes $2 trillion. Don't worry I'm sure government will spend the $2 trillion wisely. #sarcasm

 

[bripat9643]

Well there's no way to cut spending when boomers are retiring, so just stop that nonsense if you want me to take you seriously, even a little. And the gop INCREASES SPENDING ON CORP WELFARE AND DEFENSE WHILE CUTTING TAXES.

and again, if an econ is expanding, and if there is not lack of capital and the tax code does not reward inefficient investiment (as it did in the late 70s and 80s) ...cutting taxes has never increased gnp over and above its already track of increase

btw, raising taxes could lead to less capital supply though. But if it also led to less govt borrowing, raising taxes could still be a good idea. Raising taxes just to give people who don't work more money is not only morally reprehensible but also not going to increase productivity ... and it'd probably result in more welfare deadbeats and people like Red Bernie.

Biden wants to spend another $5 trillion, you fucking moron. How does that square with your hypocrisy on Republican spending?

 

[Mac-7]

Cut spending first, then cut taxes.

You could have borrowed that idea from me 5-10 years ago

But no matter

Its a good idea even coming from you

 

[bendog]

I've made a suggestion a few times that the "Republicans" here didn't appreciate: Cut spending first, then cut taxes. The GOP politicians have their voters convinced that they're serious, while they just continue to play the same game.

The problem is the system under which these people operate. And we clearly don't care enough to fix it.


#ForwardParty

The Biden' McConnell approach back in Obama's second term was more in line with "cut the inevitable increases in spending due to medicare and soc sec." The problem was less severe because not so many boomers retired, and now with the pandemic people are retiring earlier, we have fewer paying payroll taxes, and inflation .... maybe not so much except for food and petrol.

But Red Bernie and AOC will act like they're being raped if we even cut COLAs, and they want to expand the programs with deficit dollars because they want us to choose between retirement and natl defense ..... because they are appeasing socialists. And inevitably, we have to raise the age where workers can retire with full benefits.

I believe McConnell would have accepted maybe $1 in taxes for $3-4 in reduced future expenditures.

 

[Lastamender]

Sausage making is not pretty. We’re about to finally have universal pre-K for the first time in this country. That’s a huge win for working parents. The Republicans have not delivered anything for Americans in years.

Only a tax cut and secure borders.

 

[bripat9643]

Only a tax cut and secure borders.

It's a win for unwed mothers. Working married people will have their taxes increased to pay for this shit.

 

[AZrailwhale]

A coal Barron could be expected to be a difficult sale on fossil fuel reductions. Manchin has a weakness though, and without sinema wouLd be much more amenable.

Sinema is the real issue. She ran as a Democrat to get elected, and now she's voting like a republican to get rich. She's already torched her political career, now she's just milking this for every penny she can before she has to go job hunting. But she has no handles and is getting millions in donations from big pharma and big oil to torpedo the Democratic legislation in question.

“Torched her political career”? Are you kidding? She’s far more popular in Arizona now than when she was elected. She’s actually representing ALL of Arizona’s voters, not just the liberals like Kelly is doing. She surprised me, I expected her to go along with Pelosi And Schumer like Kelly is. Arizonans on the whole are centrist/conservative leaning, not liberal. Kelly lied to get elected claiming to be moderate/conservative and immediately started voting along with the liberal wing of the democrats. Now he’s acting invisible tying to duck the consequences of his lies. You never hear anything about him anymore, he got what he wanted and now is trying to keep it by being invisible.

 

[Lastamender]

It's a win for unwed mothers. Working married people will have their taxes increased to pay for this shit.

All part of destroying America. That is their agenda. Anyone who denies that is fooling themselves and damning future generations to just existence, not life.

 

[bendog]

Why pick on Boomers?

Freeze gov spending with no automatic annual increases

and then reduce every budget, entitlement or not, by 1% next year

In no time we will have balanced the budget

You can't freeze spending with more people drawing on medicare and soc sec everyday.... and the trend will continue for a decade or two.

 

[bendog]

“Torched her political career”? Are you kidding? She’s far more popular in Arizona now than when she was elected. She’s actually representing ALL of Arizona’s voters, not just the liberals like Kelly is doing. She surprised me, I expected her to go along with Pelosi And Schumer like Kelly is. Arizonans on the whole are centrist/conservative leaning, not liberal. Kelly lied to get elected claiming to be moderate/conservative and immediately started voting along with the liberal wing of the democrats. Now he’s acting invisible tying to duck the consequences of his lies. You never hear anything about him anymore, he got what he wanted and now is trying to keep it by being invisible.

She was all on board with 2 T in the Rescue Plan and 1T in infrastructure. And spending on Educ and HC remain popular, but the Jaypals want more on welfare.