The Death Penalty---OP/ED

[JoeB131]

Yeah Joe, Mateen was about as law abiding as William Ayers was back when Bill was with the Weather Underground. You liberals never disappoint, do you? You Radical Left Wing, Traitorous, Muslims Sympathizers.

which one of those 17 points involved Mateen breaking a law and being convicted of it. the only one on that list that even rises to that was beating his wife, but she never pressed charges.

You guys have made it impossible to block gun sales to terrorists, criminals and the mentally ill,and then you whine when something like this happens.

As Deep Throat said, "Follow the Money". Who is making money off the status quo? Who makes more money whenever there's a mass shooting. Who makes more money claiming the 'government is going to take your guns" when no one is actually proposing that?

 

[Skull Pilot]

1. A reasonable law must target violent criminals, rather than law-abiding citizens.

Mothers Against Drunk Driving has succeeded by targeting the dangerous criminals, rather than going after all drivers or trying to ban certain types of cars. Any burden on law-abiding citizens must be legally "de minimus;" the least burdensome or restrictive way to accomplish the purposes of the law. Criminal laws aimed at the general population are inherently too weak to affect the criminals.

Not really. actually, all MADD did was fatten the coffers of the state by getting guys who blew at .08 to get saddled with DUI's. They didn't stop the guy who drinks to .30 from mowing down kids. Now, there's a simple way to stop all DUI's. Make breathalyzers standard equipment. you can't start your car until you blow.

2. Any proposed firearms legislation must have a historical track record of reducing violent crime in some U.S. jurisdiction, without adversely affecting the law-abiding citizens' basic human right of self-defense.

Again, why do you always restrict it to laws in the US? Other countries have national restrictions and acheive the desired results. The problem with a local jurisdiction, like let's say Chicago, banning guns is that you can drive over to Cicero and buy all the guns you want. Gun laws have to be uniform to work.

This is the USA not some other country so our laws should be evaluated how they work here nowhere else

 

[Skull Pilot]

I would rather be a RWNJMFLOC(right wing nut job, mother fucking lover of this country) than a traitor, like the liberals are today. Liberals don't give a rats ass that 50 people died in the Gay club, they just got out real fast and once again, try to force gun control on the law abiding citizens. The FBI knew about the Muslim and did nothing about it until it was too late, Obama's FBI, Obama's government, Obama's promise to defend the Citizens of America from harm. Boy were you idiots fooled on that one.

Omar Mateen was a law-abiding citizen up until the point he started shooting up that nightclub.

So maybe we should throw your ass in jail now because it's just a matter of time before you fucking lose it completely

 

[JoeB131]

This is the USA not some other country so our laws should be evaluated how they work here nowhere else

Last time I checked, the laws of physics work the same way in Germany as the US.

If people can't get guns, they can't commit crimes.

So maybe we should throw your ass in jail now because it's just a natter of time before you fucking lose it completely

Naw, man, I lost it years ago when I realized the world was a crazy place and you have to go with the flow.

But I'm not talking about throwing people in jail. I'm talking about not letting them buy guns unless they have a DAMNED GOOD REASON to have one.

The thing is, Mateen probably has a better case than you do, as his job involved security.

 

[BULLDOG]

Hence my original post that capital cases should be held to a higher standard than merely beyond a reasonable doubt and must include irrefutable forensic evidence interpreted by experts not some random idiot off the streets

BULLshitDOG is just like the rest of the anti death penalty bleeding hearts. He argues that his problem with the death penalty is that innocents get executed implying that if there were a way to stop that, he'd support it. However, when things are suggested or conditions suggested that would make sure that doesn't happen, he still opposes it. I understand people don't like it but they should at least be honest and say that.

The thing about the "innocents" is that maybe they didn't commit the crimes, but rarely are they pillars of their communities. Typically they are like the dude JoeB mentioned. Thugs and gang bangers whose absence from society is not really a bad thing. The better case to look at to argue against the DP would be the West Memphis three. How that went could largely be blamed on the media and the stylish fad of being scared of devil worshippers in those days and a DA more motivated by climbing the career ladder then despencing justice. Still, the death penalty is worth it.

I don't disagree that innocents have been executed. However, despite how bad that is, it's nowhere near the level that those arguing from that point of view make it out. Their arguments against it center around innocents being executed when their true argument is that they oppose it period. It's easy to tell when suggestions are made to prevent and stop the only reason they give for opposing it. Even when that is done, they still oppose it.

Pretty quick to call someone a liar there aren't you bubba?. There are lots of reasons to oppose the death penalty.The main one is that no matter how much you talk about a higher standard, we just don't have the capability to be sure in all cases, and I don't like the idea of killing some innocent person while the guilty goes free just because someone must be punished. Perhaps life just doesn't mean much to you.

You see to be pretty sure of yourself when it comes to consensus science on Global Warming, why are you so troubled that the science of Forensic, isn't as sure? Hmmm? When a person has a rap sheet a mile long, that person is broken and cant be fixed, needs to be taken out back and shot, like a rabid animal. No more repeat offense.

Unfortunately. we still kill innocent people. Yes, as I've always said, some crimes deserve a slow painful death. I would be in favor of dropping some of them off with the victim;s family, and come back tomorrow and pick them up.......if there was anything left. I still can't get past the fact that we sometimes kill innocent people while the guilty are still free. Prove that won't happen again, and I'll join you.

 

[BULLDOG]

Pretty quick to call someone a liar there aren't you bubba?. There are lots of reasons to oppose the death penalty.The main one is that no matter how much you talk about a higher standard, we just don't have the capability to be sure in all cases, and I don't like the idea of killing some innocent person while the guilty goes free just because someone must be punished. Perhaps life just doesn't mean much to you.

Well you are a liar didn't you say I "always support republican policies"?

That was a lie now wasn't it?

Sorry, but you just aren't important enough for me to keep up with your every nuance on every issue. The preponderance of your posts say you are a right winger who supports right winger causes.

And you're an idiot for making assumptions aren't you?

Not really. It only takes a few of your posts to see that you are a full blown RWNJ

I would rather be a RWNJMFLOC(right wing nut job, mother fucking lover of this country) than a traitor, like the liberals are today. Liberals don't give a rats ass that 50 people died in the Gay club, they just got out real fast and once again, try to force gun control on the law abiding citizens. The FBI knew about the Muslim and did nothing about it until it was too late, Obama's FBI, Obama's government, Obama's promise to defend the Citizens of America from harm. Boy were you idiots fooled on that one.

Slow down. There is a little slobber coming out the corner of your mouth. Anybody who isn't aligned with your hysterical attitude is a traitor? You know that's nuts......right?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

This is the USA not some other country so our laws should be evaluated how they work here nowhere else

Last time I checked, the laws of physics work the same way in Germany as the US.

If people can't get guns, they can't commit crimes.

So maybe we should throw your ass in jail now because it's just a natter of time before you fucking lose it completely

Naw, man, I lost it years ago when I realized the world was a crazy place and you have to go with the flow.

But I'm not talking about throwing people in jail. I'm talking about not letting them buy guns unless they have a DAMNED GOOD REASON to have one.

The thing is, Mateen probably has a better case than you do, as his job involved security.

Sorta like the gun laws of England??
British lawmaker dies after shooting, stabbing attack in northern England

A British member of parliament died after being shot and stabbed in her constituency in northern England on Thursday, British police and media reports said.

The Gun Free Zone worked really well for her didn't it?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Well you are a liar didn't you say I "always support republican policies"?

That was a lie now wasn't it?

Sorry, but you just aren't important enough for me to keep up with your every nuance on every issue. The preponderance of your posts say you are a right winger who supports right winger causes.

And you're an idiot for making assumptions aren't you?

Not really. It only takes a few of your posts to see that you are a full blown RWNJ

I would rather be a RWNJMFLOC(right wing nut job, mother fucking lover of this country) than a traitor, like the liberals are today. Liberals don't give a rats ass that 50 people died in the Gay club, they just got out real fast and once again, try to force gun control on the law abiding citizens. The FBI knew about the Muslim and did nothing about it until it was too late, Obama's FBI, Obama's government, Obama's promise to defend the Citizens of America from harm. Boy were you idiots fooled on that one.

Slow down. There is a little slobber coming out the corner of your mouth. Anybody who isn't aligned with your hysterical attitude is a traitor? You know that's nuts......right?

No anyone who wanted to fundamentally transform America(and those that voted for him) is a traitor, you don't like being accused of being a traitor then leave for Cuba, We the People don't like Socialism in the US. Now pull your panties out of your ass, and stop showing FAUX indignation, you hypocrite.

 

[BULLDOG]

Sorry, but you just aren't important enough for me to keep up with your every nuance on every issue. The preponderance of your posts say you are a right winger who supports right winger causes.

And you're an idiot for making assumptions aren't you?

Not really. It only takes a few of your posts to see that you are a full blown RWNJ

I would rather be a RWNJMFLOC(right wing nut job, mother fucking lover of this country) than a traitor, like the liberals are today. Liberals don't give a rats ass that 50 people died in the Gay club, they just got out real fast and once again, try to force gun control on the law abiding citizens. The FBI knew about the Muslim and did nothing about it until it was too late, Obama's FBI, Obama's government, Obama's promise to defend the Citizens of America from harm. Boy were you idiots fooled on that one.

You do not speak for me, how dare you..

Why , you libidiots constantly try to put words in our mouths, like how we "HATE GAYS". Stop showing your FAUX indignation, you hypocrite.

Coming from a goober who just declared all liberals are traitors. If anybody is an expert on hypocrisy, it would be you.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

BULLshitDOG is just like the rest of the anti death penalty bleeding hearts. He argues that his problem with the death penalty is that innocents get executed implying that if there were a way to stop that, he'd support it. However, when things are suggested or conditions suggested that would make sure that doesn't happen, he still opposes it. I understand people don't like it but they should at least be honest and say that.

The thing about the "innocents" is that maybe they didn't commit the crimes, but rarely are they pillars of their communities. Typically they are like the dude JoeB mentioned. Thugs and gang bangers whose absence from society is not really a bad thing. The better case to look at to argue against the DP would be the West Memphis three. How that went could largely be blamed on the media and the stylish fad of being scared of devil worshippers in those days and a DA more motivated by climbing the career ladder then despencing justice. Still, the death penalty is worth it.

I don't disagree that innocents have been executed. However, despite how bad that is, it's nowhere near the level that those arguing from that point of view make it out. Their arguments against it center around innocents being executed when their true argument is that they oppose it period. It's easy to tell when suggestions are made to prevent and stop the only reason they give for opposing it. Even when that is done, they still oppose it.

Pretty quick to call someone a liar there aren't you bubba?. There are lots of reasons to oppose the death penalty.The main one is that no matter how much you talk about a higher standard, we just don't have the capability to be sure in all cases, and I don't like the idea of killing some innocent person while the guilty goes free just because someone must be punished. Perhaps life just doesn't mean much to you.

You see to be pretty sure of yourself when it comes to consensus science on Global Warming, why are you so troubled that the science of Forensic, isn't as sure? Hmmm? When a person has a rap sheet a mile long, that person is broken and cant be fixed, needs to be taken out back and shot, like a rabid animal. No more repeat offense.

Unfortunately. we still kill innocent people. Yes, as I've always said, some crimes deserve a slow painful death. I would be in favor of dropping some of them off with the victim;s family, and come back tomorrow and pick them up.......if there was anything left. I still can't get past the fact that we sometimes kill innocent people while the guilty are still free. Prove that won't happen again, and I'll join you.

Unfortunately. we still kill innocent people.

Everyone once in a while, a liberal will tell the truth. I have a very large collection of weapons, many of the .223 caliber, and not once have I ever KILLED someone. Why is it that you have freely admitted that YOU kill innocent people?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

And you're an idiot for making assumptions aren't you?

Not really. It only takes a few of your posts to see that you are a full blown RWNJ

I would rather be a RWNJMFLOC(right wing nut job, mother fucking lover of this country) than a traitor, like the liberals are today. Liberals don't give a rats ass that 50 people died in the Gay club, they just got out real fast and once again, try to force gun control on the law abiding citizens. The FBI knew about the Muslim and did nothing about it until it was too late, Obama's FBI, Obama's government, Obama's promise to defend the Citizens of America from harm. Boy were you idiots fooled on that one.

You do not speak for me, how dare you..

Why , you libidiots constantly try to put words in our mouths, like how we "HATE GAYS". Stop showing your FAUX indignation, you hypocrite.

Coming from a goober who just declared all liberals are traitors. If anybody is an expert on hypocrisy, it would be you.

Now I never said ALL liberals, because some of them are just clueless about what liberalism is all about and have been indoctrinated, like my good friend who changed from Liberal to Libertarian/Conservative. But those that don't change who actually know and drool when ever the Traitor in Chief with executive powers breaks the law of the constitution are the REAL traitors. Don't like it, then leave, we don't like you and your traitorous ways. Stay and soon you will be sorry.

 

[BULLDOG]

Sorry, but you just aren't important enough for me to keep up with your every nuance on every issue. The preponderance of your posts say you are a right winger who supports right winger causes.

And you're an idiot for making assumptions aren't you?

Not really. It only takes a few of your posts to see that you are a full blown RWNJ

I would rather be a RWNJMFLOC(right wing nut job, mother fucking lover of this country) than a traitor, like the liberals are today. Liberals don't give a rats ass that 50 people died in the Gay club, they just got out real fast and once again, try to force gun control on the law abiding citizens. The FBI knew about the Muslim and did nothing about it until it was too late, Obama's FBI, Obama's government, Obama's promise to defend the Citizens of America from harm. Boy were you idiots fooled on that one.

Slow down. There is a little slobber coming out the corner of your mouth. Anybody who isn't aligned with your hysterical attitude is a traitor? You know that's nuts......right?

No anyone who wanted to fundamentally transform America(and those that voted for him) is a traitor, you don't like being accused of being a traitor then leave for Cuba, We the People don't like Socialism in the US. Now pull your panties out of your ass, and stop showing FAUX indignation, you hypocrite.

Your brain is a dark hole impenetrable by logic or reason. Believe what you want. There will always be crazy fringe. That's where you fit best.

 

[BULLDOG]

The thing about the "innocents" is that maybe they didn't commit the crimes, but rarely are they pillars of their communities. Typically they are like the dude JoeB mentioned. Thugs and gang bangers whose absence from society is not really a bad thing. The better case to look at to argue against the DP would be the West Memphis three. How that went could largely be blamed on the media and the stylish fad of being scared of devil worshippers in those days and a DA more motivated by climbing the career ladder then despencing justice. Still, the death penalty is worth it.

I don't disagree that innocents have been executed. However, despite how bad that is, it's nowhere near the level that those arguing from that point of view make it out. Their arguments against it center around innocents being executed when their true argument is that they oppose it period. It's easy to tell when suggestions are made to prevent and stop the only reason they give for opposing it. Even when that is done, they still oppose it.

Pretty quick to call someone a liar there aren't you bubba?. There are lots of reasons to oppose the death penalty.The main one is that no matter how much you talk about a higher standard, we just don't have the capability to be sure in all cases, and I don't like the idea of killing some innocent person while the guilty goes free just because someone must be punished. Perhaps life just doesn't mean much to you.

You see to be pretty sure of yourself when it comes to consensus science on Global Warming, why are you so troubled that the science of Forensic, isn't as sure? Hmmm? When a person has a rap sheet a mile long, that person is broken and cant be fixed, needs to be taken out back and shot, like a rabid animal. No more repeat offense.

Unfortunately. we still kill innocent people. Yes, as I've always said, some crimes deserve a slow painful death. I would be in favor of dropping some of them off with the victim;s family, and come back tomorrow and pick them up.......if there was anything left. I still can't get past the fact that we sometimes kill innocent people while the guilty are still free. Prove that won't happen again, and I'll join you.

Unfortunately. we still kill innocent people.

Everyone once in a while, a liberal will tell the truth. I have a very large collection of weapons, many of the .223 caliber, and not once have I ever KILLED someone. Why is it that you have freely admitted that YOU kill innocent people?

Don't be silly. You know what was meant by that remark.

 

[BULLDOG]

Not really. It only takes a few of your posts to see that you are a full blown RWNJ

I would rather be a RWNJMFLOC(right wing nut job, mother fucking lover of this country) than a traitor, like the liberals are today. Liberals don't give a rats ass that 50 people died in the Gay club, they just got out real fast and once again, try to force gun control on the law abiding citizens. The FBI knew about the Muslim and did nothing about it until it was too late, Obama's FBI, Obama's government, Obama's promise to defend the Citizens of America from harm. Boy were you idiots fooled on that one.

You do not speak for me, how dare you..

Why , you libidiots constantly try to put words in our mouths, like how we "HATE GAYS". Stop showing your FAUX indignation, you hypocrite.

Coming from a goober who just declared all liberals are traitors. If anybody is an expert on hypocrisy, it would be you.

Now I never said ALL liberals, because some of them are just clueless about what liberalism is all about and have been indoctrinated, like my good friend who changed from Liberal to Libertarian/Conservative. But those that don't change who actually know and drool when ever the Traitor in Chief with executive powers breaks the law of the constitution are the REAL traitors. Don't like it, then leave, we don't like you and your traitorous ways. Stay and soon you will be sorry.

Why do the most rabid RWNJs always sound like the chicken hawk?

 

[Skull Pilot]

This is the USA not some other country so our laws should be evaluated how they work here nowhere else

Last time I checked, the laws of physics work the same way in Germany as the US.

If people can't get guns, they can't commit crimes.

So maybe we should throw your ass in jail now because it's just a natter of time before you fucking lose it completely

Naw, man, I lost it years ago when I realized the world was a crazy place and you have to go with the flow.

But I'm not talking about throwing people in jail. I'm talking about not letting them buy guns unless they have a DAMNED GOOD REASON to have one.

The thing is, Mateen probably has a better case than you do, as his job involved security.

People in Europe are used to deferring to government they are from an early age beaten into submission.
Americans at least for now expect a higher level of freedom and that won't change before you're taking a dirt nap. Deal with it

It's not for you or anyone else to judge my reasons for owning weapons because it's none of you fucking business.

 

[Conservative65]

You had KP duty and was a latrine orderly. Basically, a potato peeler and a shit/piss cleaner.

Actually, I was a Supply NCO...

and obviously , you are too stupid to realize no one peels potatoes anymore, right?

It's duly noted that when you, someone that doesn't adhere to the Bible, tries to say what it means, there is no need to refute with a verse. Your lack of knowledge is sufficient.

You Wingnuts claim to understand what the Koran says, even though you don't think that's real.

I've actually bothered to read it.

Seems you're too stupid to realize that it wasn't a literal statement about the potatoes but an example that what you were capable of doing really amounted to nothing.

I think the Koran is very real. It exists and so did Mohammed. I don't agree with what it says but that's far different than saying it or he didn't exist.

Think before speaking and don't bark unless I pull your chain, boy.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I would rather be a RWNJMFLOC(right wing nut job, mother fucking lover of this country) than a traitor, like the liberals are today. Liberals don't give a rats ass that 50 people died in the Gay club, they just got out real fast and once again, try to force gun control on the law abiding citizens. The FBI knew about the Muslim and did nothing about it until it was too late, Obama's FBI, Obama's government, Obama's promise to defend the Citizens of America from harm. Boy were you idiots fooled on that one.

You do not speak for me, how dare you..

Why , you libidiots constantly try to put words in our mouths, like how we "HATE GAYS". Stop showing your FAUX indignation, you hypocrite.

Coming from a goober who just declared all liberals are traitors. If anybody is an expert on hypocrisy, it would be you.

Now I never said ALL liberals, because some of them are just clueless about what liberalism is all about and have been indoctrinated, like my good friend who changed from Liberal to Libertarian/Conservative. But those that don't change who actually know and drool when ever the Traitor in Chief with executive powers breaks the law of the constitution are the REAL traitors. Don't like it, then leave, we don't like you and your traitorous ways. Stay and soon you will be sorry.

Why do the most rabid RWNJs always sound like the chicken hawk?

So what you are saying is that the gays in Orlando deserve what they got? Obama FAILED to perform his duty to protect the US citizens, by allowing Muslims(with Political Correctness) to walk amongst them and do harm to them? Wow, glad you are such a nice guy. This is why I am well protected from libidiots like you.

 

[BULLDOG]

You do not speak for me, how dare you..

Why , you libidiots constantly try to put words in our mouths, like how we "HATE GAYS". Stop showing your FAUX indignation, you hypocrite.

Coming from a goober who just declared all liberals are traitors. If anybody is an expert on hypocrisy, it would be you.

Now I never said ALL liberals, because some of them are just clueless about what liberalism is all about and have been indoctrinated, like my good friend who changed from Liberal to Libertarian/Conservative. But those that don't change who actually know and drool when ever the Traitor in Chief with executive powers breaks the law of the constitution are the REAL traitors. Don't like it, then leave, we don't like you and your traitorous ways. Stay and soon you will be sorry.

Why do the most rabid RWNJs always sound like the chicken hawk?

So what you are saying is that the gays in Orlando deserve what they got? Obama FAILED to perform his duty to protect the US citizens, by allowing Muslims(with Political Correctness) to walk amongst them and do harm to them? Wow, glad you are such a nice guy. This is why I am well protected from libidiots like you.

SHUP goober. You know I never said any of that.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Why , you libidiots constantly try to put words in our mouths, like how we "HATE GAYS". Stop showing your FAUX indignation, you hypocrite.

Coming from a goober who just declared all liberals are traitors. If anybody is an expert on hypocrisy, it would be you.

Now I never said ALL liberals, because some of them are just clueless about what liberalism is all about and have been indoctrinated, like my good friend who changed from Liberal to Libertarian/Conservative. But those that don't change who actually know and drool when ever the Traitor in Chief with executive powers breaks the law of the constitution are the REAL traitors. Don't like it, then leave, we don't like you and your traitorous ways. Stay and soon you will be sorry.

Why do the most rabid RWNJs always sound like the chicken hawk?

So what you are saying is that the gays in Orlando deserve what they got? Obama FAILED to perform his duty to protect the US citizens, by allowing Muslims(with Political Correctness) to walk amongst them and do harm to them? Wow, glad you are such a nice guy. This is why I am well protected from libidiots like you.

SHUP goober. You know I never said any of that.

Didn't have to say that, you insinuated it with your posts.

 

[BULLDOG]

Coming from a goober who just declared all liberals are traitors. If anybody is an expert on hypocrisy, it would be you.

Now I never said ALL liberals, because some of them are just clueless about what liberalism is all about and have been indoctrinated, like my good friend who changed from Liberal to Libertarian/Conservative. But those that don't change who actually know and drool when ever the Traitor in Chief with executive powers breaks the law of the constitution are the REAL traitors. Don't like it, then leave, we don't like you and your traitorous ways. Stay and soon you will be sorry.

Why do the most rabid RWNJs always sound like the chicken hawk?

So what you are saying is that the gays in Orlando deserve what they got? Obama FAILED to perform his duty to protect the US citizens, by allowing Muslims(with Political Correctness) to walk amongst them and do harm to them? Wow, glad you are such a nice guy. This is why I am well protected from libidiots like you.

SHUP goober. You know I never said any of that.

Didn't have to say that, you insinuated it with your posts.

OK. Bend down here by my nuts and tell me what I'm I'm thinking now.