The Death Penalty---OP/ED

[Conservative65]

You make an awful big assumption, then.

You mean you'll bend over and be a good little bitch for the government.

Anyone who would shoot at an ATF agent is just demonstrating Natural Selection...

Just ask your boy David Koresh.

Someone like you that would say another person shouldn't own something is expected to be man enough to stop that person from using it. Seems you aren't a man but a government puppet.

Like I said Joe, if I thought there was something you had you didn't need, I'd take it and there isn't a damn thing you're man enough to do about stopping me.

 

[Conservative65]

Now quote me where I have ever even mentioned the color of anyone's skin in any of these threads on guns.

I never have. I almost never even mention race but you always seem to why is that?

And your juvenile insistence on sexual fascinations with guns says more about you then it does about any gun owner

You guys are the ones with the fetish. The one that says you would rather let crazy people buy guns than ever answer sensible questions about whether you need one. It's not a policy issue for you guys, it's a lifestyle.

Your fetish kills 33,000 Americans a year. Enough is enough.

You know little boy most people I know don't even know I own any guns.
And I have never said to let crazy people buy guns have I?

But you have yet to tell me how you can tell anyone is crazy. Until you can predict everyone's future I will go with the facts. A minuscule fraction of a percentage of legal gun owners will ever kill anyone and that is not reason enough to tell the vast overwhelming majority of legal gun owners that they cannot own guns

A minuscule fraction of people who drink alcohol will ever kill anyone and that is not reason enough to tell the vast overwhelming majority of legal alcohol drinkers that they cannot drink and drive.

But you don't want to deny anyone the ability to drive do you?

Driving is really important, but before you are allowed to do it, they check the background for each and every person to make sure you don't have a history that would indicate you shouldn't be allowed to drive. Now your programmed response is that driving isn't mentioned in the constitution.
Most Americans hold a seventh grade civics notion that the Constitution gives us certain rights. In fact, the Bill of Rights merely sets limits on the federal government, making clear it has no power to infringe on rights we already naturally possess, or limit traditionally held privileges, such as trial by jury. Except for a few procedural rights specifically for the trial process, the Bill of Rights does not actually bestow rights. The Constitution says that the courts determine which of our rights can be limited, and in what ways. They have determined that restrictions on gun purchases and ownership can be legally regulated just like restrictions on driving . Your talking point that you have grown to love is bullshit.

When I started driving, no one checked my history. I went to the DMV, took a test, and drove when I left.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Now quote me where I have ever even mentioned the color of anyone's skin in any of these threads on guns.

I never have. I almost never even mention race but you always seem to why is that?

And your juvenile insistence on sexual fascinations with guns says more about you then it does about any gun owner

You guys are the ones with the fetish. The one that says you would rather let crazy people buy guns than ever answer sensible questions about whether you need one. It's not a policy issue for you guys, it's a lifestyle.

Your fetish kills 33,000 Americans a year. Enough is enough.

You know little boy most people I know don't even know I own any guns.
And I have never said to let crazy people buy guns have I?

But you have yet to tell me how you can tell anyone is crazy. Until you can predict everyone's future I will go with the facts. A minuscule fraction of a percentage of legal gun owners will ever kill anyone and that is not reason enough to tell the vast overwhelming majority of legal gun owners that they cannot own guns

A minuscule fraction of people who drink alcohol will ever kill anyone and that is not reason enough to tell the vast overwhelming majority of legal alcohol drinkers that they cannot drink and drive.

But you don't want to deny anyone the ability to drive do you?

Driving is really important, but before you are allowed to do it, they check the background for each and every person to make sure you don't have a history that would indicate you shouldn't be allowed to drive. Now your programmed response is that driving isn't mentioned in the constitution.
Most Americans hold a seventh grade civics notion that the Constitution gives us certain rights. In fact, the Bill of Rights merely sets limits on the federal government, making clear it has no power to infringe on rights we already naturally possess, or limit traditionally held privileges, such as trial by jury. Except for a few procedural rights specifically for the trial process, the Bill of Rights does not actually bestow rights. The Constitution says that the courts determine which of our rights can be limited, and in what ways. They have determined that restrictions on gun purchases and ownership can be legally regulated just like restrictions on driving . Your talking point that you have grown to love is bullshit.

Not really any 17 year old can get a driver's licence and the point you are inadvertently making is that before anyone loses their ability to legally drive they must actually do something wrong.

You want to assume everyone has done something wrong just because they want to exercise their constitutional right, which driving a car is not, of owning a firearm

 

[BULLDOG]

You guys are the ones with the fetish. The one that says you would rather let crazy people buy guns than ever answer sensible questions about whether you need one. It's not a policy issue for you guys, it's a lifestyle.

Your fetish kills 33,000 Americans a year. Enough is enough.

You know little boy most people I know don't even know I own any guns.
And I have never said to let crazy people buy guns have I?

But you have yet to tell me how you can tell anyone is crazy. Until you can predict everyone's future I will go with the facts. A minuscule fraction of a percentage of legal gun owners will ever kill anyone and that is not reason enough to tell the vast overwhelming majority of legal gun owners that they cannot own guns

A minuscule fraction of people who drink alcohol will ever kill anyone and that is not reason enough to tell the vast overwhelming majority of legal alcohol drinkers that they cannot drink and drive.

But you don't want to deny anyone the ability to drive do you?

Driving is really important, but before you are allowed to do it, they check the background for each and every person to make sure you don't have a history that would indicate you shouldn't be allowed to drive. Now your programmed response is that driving isn't mentioned in the constitution.
Most Americans hold a seventh grade civics notion that the Constitution gives us certain rights. In fact, the Bill of Rights merely sets limits on the federal government, making clear it has no power to infringe on rights we already naturally possess, or limit traditionally held privileges, such as trial by jury. Except for a few procedural rights specifically for the trial process, the Bill of Rights does not actually bestow rights. The Constitution says that the courts determine which of our rights can be limited, and in what ways. They have determined that restrictions on gun purchases and ownership can be legally regulated just like restrictions on driving . Your talking point that you have grown to love is bullshit.

When I started driving, no one checked my history. I went to the DMV, took a test, and drove when I left.

I'm not sure when you first got your license, but for the last several years they have had background checks. Try renewing your license when you have a warrant out, and it will be made quite clear that you have been checked.

 

[Skull Pilot]

You know little boy most people I know don't even know I own any guns.
And I have never said to let crazy people buy guns have I?

But you have yet to tell me how you can tell anyone is crazy. Until you can predict everyone's future I will go with the facts. A minuscule fraction of a percentage of legal gun owners will ever kill anyone and that is not reason enough to tell the vast overwhelming majority of legal gun owners that they cannot own guns

A minuscule fraction of people who drink alcohol will ever kill anyone and that is not reason enough to tell the vast overwhelming majority of legal alcohol drinkers that they cannot drink and drive.

But you don't want to deny anyone the ability to drive do you?

Driving is really important, but before you are allowed to do it, they check the background for each and every person to make sure you don't have a history that would indicate you shouldn't be allowed to drive. Now your programmed response is that driving isn't mentioned in the constitution.
Most Americans hold a seventh grade civics notion that the Constitution gives us certain rights. In fact, the Bill of Rights merely sets limits on the federal government, making clear it has no power to infringe on rights we already naturally possess, or limit traditionally held privileges, such as trial by jury. Except for a few procedural rights specifically for the trial process, the Bill of Rights does not actually bestow rights. The Constitution says that the courts determine which of our rights can be limited, and in what ways. They have determined that restrictions on gun purchases and ownership can be legally regulated just like restrictions on driving . Your talking point that you have grown to love is bullshit.

When I started driving, no one checked my history. I went to the DMV, took a test, and drove when I left.

I'm not sure when you first got your license, but for the last several years they have had background checks. Try renewing your license when you have a warrant out, and it will be made quite clear that you have been checked.

Any 17 year old can get a license and we already have background checks and waiting periods to buy guns

 

[Conservative65]

You know little boy most people I know don't even know I own any guns.
And I have never said to let crazy people buy guns have I?

But you have yet to tell me how you can tell anyone is crazy. Until you can predict everyone's future I will go with the facts. A minuscule fraction of a percentage of legal gun owners will ever kill anyone and that is not reason enough to tell the vast overwhelming majority of legal gun owners that they cannot own guns

A minuscule fraction of people who drink alcohol will ever kill anyone and that is not reason enough to tell the vast overwhelming majority of legal alcohol drinkers that they cannot drink and drive.

But you don't want to deny anyone the ability to drive do you?

Driving is really important, but before you are allowed to do it, they check the background for each and every person to make sure you don't have a history that would indicate you shouldn't be allowed to drive. Now your programmed response is that driving isn't mentioned in the constitution.
Most Americans hold a seventh grade civics notion that the Constitution gives us certain rights. In fact, the Bill of Rights merely sets limits on the federal government, making clear it has no power to infringe on rights we already naturally possess, or limit traditionally held privileges, such as trial by jury. Except for a few procedural rights specifically for the trial process, the Bill of Rights does not actually bestow rights. The Constitution says that the courts determine which of our rights can be limited, and in what ways. They have determined that restrictions on gun purchases and ownership can be legally regulated just like restrictions on driving . Your talking point that you have grown to love is bullshit.

When I started driving, no one checked my history. I went to the DMV, took a test, and drove when I left.

I'm not sure when you first got your license, but for the last several years they have had background checks. Try renewing your license when you have a warrant out, and it will be made quite clear that you have been checked.

My daughter got hers in the last several years and no check.

 

[BULLDOG]

You guys are the ones with the fetish. The one that says you would rather let crazy people buy guns than ever answer sensible questions about whether you need one. It's not a policy issue for you guys, it's a lifestyle.

Your fetish kills 33,000 Americans a year. Enough is enough.

You know little boy most people I know don't even know I own any guns.
And I have never said to let crazy people buy guns have I?

But you have yet to tell me how you can tell anyone is crazy. Until you can predict everyone's future I will go with the facts. A minuscule fraction of a percentage of legal gun owners will ever kill anyone and that is not reason enough to tell the vast overwhelming majority of legal gun owners that they cannot own guns

A minuscule fraction of people who drink alcohol will ever kill anyone and that is not reason enough to tell the vast overwhelming majority of legal alcohol drinkers that they cannot drink and drive.

But you don't want to deny anyone the ability to drive do you?

Driving is really important, but before you are allowed to do it, they check the background for each and every person to make sure you don't have a history that would indicate you shouldn't be allowed to drive. Now your programmed response is that driving isn't mentioned in the constitution.
Most Americans hold a seventh grade civics notion that the Constitution gives us certain rights. In fact, the Bill of Rights merely sets limits on the federal government, making clear it has no power to infringe on rights we already naturally possess, or limit traditionally held privileges, such as trial by jury. Except for a few procedural rights specifically for the trial process, the Bill of Rights does not actually bestow rights. The Constitution says that the courts determine which of our rights can be limited, and in what ways. They have determined that restrictions on gun purchases and ownership can be legally regulated just like restrictions on driving . Your talking point that you have grown to love is bullshit.

Not really any 17 year old can get a driver's licence and the point you are inadvertently making is that before anyone loses their ability to legally drive they must actually do something wrong.

You want to assume everyone has done something wrong just because they want to exercise their constitutional right, which driving a car is not, of owning a firearm

And with background checks, you will not be denied the ability to purchase a gun unless you have done something wrong. Same situation. Driving a car is also a constitutional right, unless laws determine you should lose that right.

 

[BULLDOG]

A minuscule fraction of people who drink alcohol will ever kill anyone and that is not reason enough to tell the vast overwhelming majority of legal alcohol drinkers that they cannot drink and drive.

But you don't want to deny anyone the ability to drive do you?

Driving is really important, but before you are allowed to do it, they check the background for each and every person to make sure you don't have a history that would indicate you shouldn't be allowed to drive. Now your programmed response is that driving isn't mentioned in the constitution.
Most Americans hold a seventh grade civics notion that the Constitution gives us certain rights. In fact, the Bill of Rights merely sets limits on the federal government, making clear it has no power to infringe on rights we already naturally possess, or limit traditionally held privileges, such as trial by jury. Except for a few procedural rights specifically for the trial process, the Bill of Rights does not actually bestow rights. The Constitution says that the courts determine which of our rights can be limited, and in what ways. They have determined that restrictions on gun purchases and ownership can be legally regulated just like restrictions on driving . Your talking point that you have grown to love is bullshit.

When I started driving, no one checked my history. I went to the DMV, took a test, and drove when I left.

I'm not sure when you first got your license, but for the last several years they have had background checks. Try renewing your license when you have a warrant out, and it will be made quite clear that you have been checked.

Any 17 year old can get a license and we already have background checks and waiting periods to buy guns

No we don't. Come on down to Texas, You can legally buy all the guns you want with no background check, and no waiting period. Hell, you don't even need to tell them your name. You got the cash, you can buy the gun as easily as buying a pack of gum.

 

[Conservative65]

But you don't want to deny anyone the ability to drive do you?

Driving is really important, but before you are allowed to do it, they check the background for each and every person to make sure you don't have a history that would indicate you shouldn't be allowed to drive. Now your programmed response is that driving isn't mentioned in the constitution.
Most Americans hold a seventh grade civics notion that the Constitution gives us certain rights. In fact, the Bill of Rights merely sets limits on the federal government, making clear it has no power to infringe on rights we already naturally possess, or limit traditionally held privileges, such as trial by jury. Except for a few procedural rights specifically for the trial process, the Bill of Rights does not actually bestow rights. The Constitution says that the courts determine which of our rights can be limited, and in what ways. They have determined that restrictions on gun purchases and ownership can be legally regulated just like restrictions on driving . Your talking point that you have grown to love is bullshit.

When I started driving, no one checked my history. I went to the DMV, took a test, and drove when I left.

I'm not sure when you first got your license, but for the last several years they have had background checks. Try renewing your license when you have a warrant out, and it will be made quite clear that you have been checked.

Any 17 year old can get a license and we already have background checks and waiting periods to buy guns

No we don't. Come on down to Texas, You can legally buy all the guns you want with no background check, and no waiting period. Hell, you don't even need to tell them your name. You got the cash, you can buy the gun as easily as buying a pack of gum.

Prove it.

 

[BULLDOG]

You guys are the ones with the fetish. The one that says you would rather let crazy people buy guns than ever answer sensible questions about whether you need one. It's not a policy issue for you guys, it's a lifestyle.

Your fetish kills 33,000 Americans a year. Enough is enough.

You know little boy most people I know don't even know I own any guns.
And I have never said to let crazy people buy guns have I?

But you have yet to tell me how you can tell anyone is crazy. Until you can predict everyone's future I will go with the facts. A minuscule fraction of a percentage of legal gun owners will ever kill anyone and that is not reason enough to tell the vast overwhelming majority of legal gun owners that they cannot own guns

A minuscule fraction of people who drink alcohol will ever kill anyone and that is not reason enough to tell the vast overwhelming majority of legal alcohol drinkers that they cannot drink and drive.

But you don't want to deny anyone the ability to drive do you?

Driving is really important, but before you are allowed to do it, they check the background for each and every person to make sure you don't have a history that would indicate you shouldn't be allowed to drive. Now your programmed response is that driving isn't mentioned in the constitution.
Most Americans hold a seventh grade civics notion that the Constitution gives us certain rights. In fact, the Bill of Rights merely sets limits on the federal government, making clear it has no power to infringe on rights we already naturally possess, or limit traditionally held privileges, such as trial by jury. Except for a few procedural rights specifically for the trial process, the Bill of Rights does not actually bestow rights. The Constitution says that the courts determine which of our rights can be limited, and in what ways. They have determined that restrictions on gun purchases and ownership can be legally regulated just like restrictions on driving . Your talking point that you have grown to love is bullshit.

Not really any 17 year old can get a driver's licence and the point you are inadvertently making is that before anyone loses their ability to legally drive they must actually do something wrong.

You want to assume everyone has done something wrong just because they want to exercise their constitutional right, which driving a car is not, of owning a firearm

The constitution doesn't define all our rights. We have many that didn't even exist at that time. I have a right to watch TV. They didn't even have TVs back then, but it doesn't mean I don't have that right.

 

[BULLDOG]

Driving is really important, but before you are allowed to do it, they check the background for each and every person to make sure you don't have a history that would indicate you shouldn't be allowed to drive. Now your programmed response is that driving isn't mentioned in the constitution.
Most Americans hold a seventh grade civics notion that the Constitution gives us certain rights. In fact, the Bill of Rights merely sets limits on the federal government, making clear it has no power to infringe on rights we already naturally possess, or limit traditionally held privileges, such as trial by jury. Except for a few procedural rights specifically for the trial process, the Bill of Rights does not actually bestow rights. The Constitution says that the courts determine which of our rights can be limited, and in what ways. They have determined that restrictions on gun purchases and ownership can be legally regulated just like restrictions on driving . Your talking point that you have grown to love is bullshit.

When I started driving, no one checked my history. I went to the DMV, took a test, and drove when I left.

I'm not sure when you first got your license, but for the last several years they have had background checks. Try renewing your license when you have a warrant out, and it will be made quite clear that you have been checked.

Any 17 year old can get a license and we already have background checks and waiting periods to buy guns

No we don't. Come on down to Texas, You can legally buy all the guns you want with no background check, and no waiting period. Hell, you don't even need to tell them your name. You got the cash, you can buy the gun as easily as buying a pack of gum.

Prove it.

How to Sell a Gun in Texas (Private Sales) - Face to Face Transfer, and Other Options
Face to Face - Personal Sale

This is the most common transaction and by far the most profitable one to boot. In the state of Texas you do not have to transfer ownership of the firearm via a dealer, nor do you have to have the firearm re-registered as there is no such firearms registration in the state of Texas.

Your only obligation is to reasonably assume that the purchaser is a Texas resident and legally able to own and possess the firearm. Often times people will request a Texas Drivers License to ensure they are a state resident, write a bill of sale, and sometimes take information from the purchaser. All of these are not required, but to some, are good practice to ensure you, as the seller, are performing your duty properly. Each seller's methods vary, and some buyers are defensive about providing personal info to strangers due to identity theft.

Once the transaction is performed you are done. There's no paperwork, no phone calls, etc. to be made.

Gun shows are good avenues for placing your guns in a buyer-rich environment. If you are unsure how to attract a buyer, I suggest a gun show.

 

[Conservative65]

When I started driving, no one checked my history. I went to the DMV, took a test, and drove when I left.

I'm not sure when you first got your license, but for the last several years they have had background checks. Try renewing your license when you have a warrant out, and it will be made quite clear that you have been checked.

Any 17 year old can get a license and we already have background checks and waiting periods to buy guns

No we don't. Come on down to Texas, You can legally buy all the guns you want with no background check, and no waiting period. Hell, you don't even need to tell them your name. You got the cash, you can buy the gun as easily as buying a pack of gum.

Prove it.

How to Sell a Gun in Texas (Private Sales) - Face to Face Transfer, and Other Options
Face to Face - Personal Sale

This is the most common transaction and by far the most profitable one to boot. In the state of Texas you do not have to transfer ownership of the firearm via a dealer, nor do you have to have the firearm re-registered as there is no such firearms registration in the state of Texas.

Your only obligation is to reasonably assume that the purchaser is a Texas resident and legally able to own and possess the firearm. Often times people will request a Texas Drivers License to ensure they are a state resident, write a bill of sale, and sometimes take information from the purchaser. All of these are not required, but to some, are good practice to ensure you, as the seller, are performing your duty properly. Each seller's methods vary, and some buyers are defensive about providing personal info to strangers due to identity theft.

Once the transaction is performed you are done. There's no paperwork, no phone calls, etc. to be made.

Gun shows are good avenues for placing your guns in a buyer-rich environment. If you are unsure how to attract a buyer, I suggest a gun show.

So you can go to a gun store and buy a gun without a background check in Texas?

 

[BULLDOG]

A minuscule fraction of people who drink alcohol will ever kill anyone and that is not reason enough to tell the vast overwhelming majority of legal alcohol drinkers that they cannot drink and drive.

But you don't want to deny anyone the ability to drive do you?

Driving is really important, but before you are allowed to do it, they check the background for each and every person to make sure you don't have a history that would indicate you shouldn't be allowed to drive. Now your programmed response is that driving isn't mentioned in the constitution.
Most Americans hold a seventh grade civics notion that the Constitution gives us certain rights. In fact, the Bill of Rights merely sets limits on the federal government, making clear it has no power to infringe on rights we already naturally possess, or limit traditionally held privileges, such as trial by jury. Except for a few procedural rights specifically for the trial process, the Bill of Rights does not actually bestow rights. The Constitution says that the courts determine which of our rights can be limited, and in what ways. They have determined that restrictions on gun purchases and ownership can be legally regulated just like restrictions on driving . Your talking point that you have grown to love is bullshit.

When I started driving, no one checked my history. I went to the DMV, took a test, and drove when I left.

I'm not sure when you first got your license, but for the last several years they have had background checks. Try renewing your license when you have a warrant out, and it will be made quite clear that you have been checked.

My daughter got hers in the last several years and no check.

Sure she did. No matter which state she was in, she was required to show her proof of insurance, proof of residence, proof of age, and probably a lot of other information before she was even allowed to take the test. There was also an instant check to see if she had done anything to prevent her from being able to receive a license. All those things were part of her background check.

 

[BULLDOG]

I'm not sure when you first got your license, but for the last several years they have had background checks. Try renewing your license when you have a warrant out, and it will be made quite clear that you have been checked.

Any 17 year old can get a license and we already have background checks and waiting periods to buy guns

No we don't. Come on down to Texas, You can legally buy all the guns you want with no background check, and no waiting period. Hell, you don't even need to tell them your name. You got the cash, you can buy the gun as easily as buying a pack of gum.

Prove it.

How to Sell a Gun in Texas (Private Sales) - Face to Face Transfer, and Other Options
Face to Face - Personal Sale

This is the most common transaction and by far the most profitable one to boot. In the state of Texas you do not have to transfer ownership of the firearm via a dealer, nor do you have to have the firearm re-registered as there is no such firearms registration in the state of Texas.

Your only obligation is to reasonably assume that the purchaser is a Texas resident and legally able to own and possess the firearm. Often times people will request a Texas Drivers License to ensure they are a state resident, write a bill of sale, and sometimes take information from the purchaser. All of these are not required, but to some, are good practice to ensure you, as the seller, are performing your duty properly. Each seller's methods vary, and some buyers are defensive about providing personal info to strangers due to identity theft.

Once the transaction is performed you are done. There's no paperwork, no phone calls, etc. to be made.

Gun shows are good avenues for placing your guns in a buyer-rich environment. If you are unsure how to attract a buyer, I suggest a gun show.

So you can go to a gun store and buy a gun without a background check in Texas?

No, but you can legally buy from any individual on the street who happens to have a gun for sale. You can also go to gun shows and legally buy a truckload of guns without even any kind of ID. Individuals are supposed to be limited on how many they sell in a year, even though there is no paperwork required for that, and nobody is going to check anyway, so you might have to buy from more than one person. You got the cash. They got the gun. You're good to go.

 

[Conservative65]

Any 17 year old can get a license and we already have background checks and waiting periods to buy guns

No we don't. Come on down to Texas, You can legally buy all the guns you want with no background check, and no waiting period. Hell, you don't even need to tell them your name. You got the cash, you can buy the gun as easily as buying a pack of gum.

Prove it.

How to Sell a Gun in Texas (Private Sales) - Face to Face Transfer, and Other Options
Face to Face - Personal Sale

This is the most common transaction and by far the most profitable one to boot. In the state of Texas you do not have to transfer ownership of the firearm via a dealer, nor do you have to have the firearm re-registered as there is no such firearms registration in the state of Texas.

Your only obligation is to reasonably assume that the purchaser is a Texas resident and legally able to own and possess the firearm. Often times people will request a Texas Drivers License to ensure they are a state resident, write a bill of sale, and sometimes take information from the purchaser. All of these are not required, but to some, are good practice to ensure you, as the seller, are performing your duty properly. Each seller's methods vary, and some buyers are defensive about providing personal info to strangers due to identity theft.

Once the transaction is performed you are done. There's no paperwork, no phone calls, etc. to be made.

Gun shows are good avenues for placing your guns in a buyer-rich environment. If you are unsure how to attract a buyer, I suggest a gun show.

So you can go to a gun store and buy a gun without a background check in Texas?

No, but you can legally buy from any individual on the street who happens to have a gun for sale.

Then you grossly misrepresent the situation.

 

[Conservative65]

But you don't want to deny anyone the ability to drive do you?

Driving is really important, but before you are allowed to do it, they check the background for each and every person to make sure you don't have a history that would indicate you shouldn't be allowed to drive. Now your programmed response is that driving isn't mentioned in the constitution.
Most Americans hold a seventh grade civics notion that the Constitution gives us certain rights. In fact, the Bill of Rights merely sets limits on the federal government, making clear it has no power to infringe on rights we already naturally possess, or limit traditionally held privileges, such as trial by jury. Except for a few procedural rights specifically for the trial process, the Bill of Rights does not actually bestow rights. The Constitution says that the courts determine which of our rights can be limited, and in what ways. They have determined that restrictions on gun purchases and ownership can be legally regulated just like restrictions on driving . Your talking point that you have grown to love is bullshit.

When I started driving, no one checked my history. I went to the DMV, took a test, and drove when I left.

I'm not sure when you first got your license, but for the last several years they have had background checks. Try renewing your license when you have a warrant out, and it will be made quite clear that you have been checked.

My daughter got hers in the last several years and no check.

Sure she did. No matter which state she was in, she was required to show her proof of insurance, proof of residence, proof of age, and probably a lot of other information before she was even allowed to take the test. There was also an instant check to see if she had done anything to prevent her from being able to receive a license. All those things were part of her background check.

Then you should be able to tell me the exact date and time she had it done.

 

[BULLDOG]

No we don't. Come on down to Texas, You can legally buy all the guns you want with no background check, and no waiting period. Hell, you don't even need to tell them your name. You got the cash, you can buy the gun as easily as buying a pack of gum.

Prove it.

How to Sell a Gun in Texas (Private Sales) - Face to Face Transfer, and Other Options
Face to Face - Personal Sale

This is the most common transaction and by far the most profitable one to boot. In the state of Texas you do not have to transfer ownership of the firearm via a dealer, nor do you have to have the firearm re-registered as there is no such firearms registration in the state of Texas.

Your only obligation is to reasonably assume that the purchaser is a Texas resident and legally able to own and possess the firearm. Often times people will request a Texas Drivers License to ensure they are a state resident, write a bill of sale, and sometimes take information from the purchaser. All of these are not required, but to some, are good practice to ensure you, as the seller, are performing your duty properly. Each seller's methods vary, and some buyers are defensive about providing personal info to strangers due to identity theft.

Once the transaction is performed you are done. There's no paperwork, no phone calls, etc. to be made.

Gun shows are good avenues for placing your guns in a buyer-rich environment. If you are unsure how to attract a buyer, I suggest a gun show.

So you can go to a gun store and buy a gun without a background check in Texas?

No, but you can legally buy from any individual on the street who happens to have a gun for sale.

Then you grossly misrepresent the situation.

In what way?

 

[Conservative65]

Prove it.

How to Sell a Gun in Texas (Private Sales) - Face to Face Transfer, and Other Options
Face to Face - Personal Sale

This is the most common transaction and by far the most profitable one to boot. In the state of Texas you do not have to transfer ownership of the firearm via a dealer, nor do you have to have the firearm re-registered as there is no such firearms registration in the state of Texas.

Your only obligation is to reasonably assume that the purchaser is a Texas resident and legally able to own and possess the firearm. Often times people will request a Texas Drivers License to ensure they are a state resident, write a bill of sale, and sometimes take information from the purchaser. All of these are not required, but to some, are good practice to ensure you, as the seller, are performing your duty properly. Each seller's methods vary, and some buyers are defensive about providing personal info to strangers due to identity theft.

Once the transaction is performed you are done. There's no paperwork, no phone calls, etc. to be made.

Gun shows are good avenues for placing your guns in a buyer-rich environment. If you are unsure how to attract a buyer, I suggest a gun show.

So you can go to a gun store and buy a gun without a background check in Texas?

No, but you can legally buy from any individual on the street who happens to have a gun for sale.

Then you grossly misrepresent the situation.

In what way?

That I had to ask you about gun stores proves it. You made it appear as if every gun in Texas was sold without a background check on the streets.

 

[BULLDOG]

Driving is really important, but before you are allowed to do it, they check the background for each and every person to make sure you don't have a history that would indicate you shouldn't be allowed to drive. Now your programmed response is that driving isn't mentioned in the constitution.
Most Americans hold a seventh grade civics notion that the Constitution gives us certain rights. In fact, the Bill of Rights merely sets limits on the federal government, making clear it has no power to infringe on rights we already naturally possess, or limit traditionally held privileges, such as trial by jury. Except for a few procedural rights specifically for the trial process, the Bill of Rights does not actually bestow rights. The Constitution says that the courts determine which of our rights can be limited, and in what ways. They have determined that restrictions on gun purchases and ownership can be legally regulated just like restrictions on driving . Your talking point that you have grown to love is bullshit.

When I started driving, no one checked my history. I went to the DMV, took a test, and drove when I left.

I'm not sure when you first got your license, but for the last several years they have had background checks. Try renewing your license when you have a warrant out, and it will be made quite clear that you have been checked.

My daughter got hers in the last several years and no check.

Sure she did. No matter which state she was in, she was required to show her proof of insurance, proof of residence, proof of age, and probably a lot of other information before she was even allowed to take the test. There was also an instant check to see if she had done anything to prevent her from being able to receive a license. All those things were part of her background check.

Then you should be able to tell me the exact date and time she had it done.

I didn't say I did the background check, and I didn't say all that was public record, even though some of it might be. Call the DMV. I;m sure they would at least have the date, if you can get them to look it up.

 

[Conservative65]

When I started driving, no one checked my history. I went to the DMV, took a test, and drove when I left.

I'm not sure when you first got your license, but for the last several years they have had background checks. Try renewing your license when you have a warrant out, and it will be made quite clear that you have been checked.

My daughter got hers in the last several years and no check.

Sure she did. No matter which state she was in, she was required to show her proof of insurance, proof of residence, proof of age, and probably a lot of other information before she was even allowed to take the test. There was also an instant check to see if she had done anything to prevent her from being able to receive a license. All those things were part of her background check.

Then you should be able to tell me the exact date and time she had it done.

I didn't say I did the background check, and I didn't say all that was public record, even though some of it might be. Call the DMV. I;m sure they would at least have the date, if you can get them to look it up.

YOU made the claim that they did. Prove it.