The Death Penalty---OP/ED

[Skull Pilot]

I don't disagree that innocents have been executed. However, despite how bad that is, it's nowhere near the level that those arguing from that point of view make it out. Their arguments against it center around innocents being executed when their true argument is that they oppose it period. It's easy to tell when suggestions are made to prevent and stop the only reason they give for opposing it. Even when that is done, they still oppose it.

Pretty quick to call someone a liar there aren't you bubba?. There are lots of reasons to oppose the death penalty.The main one is that no matter how much you talk about a higher standard, we just don't have the capability to be sure in all cases, and I don't like the idea of killing some innocent person while the guilty goes free just because someone must be punished. Perhaps life just doesn't mean much to you.

Well you are a liar didn't you say I "always support republican policies"?

That was a lie now wasn't it?

Sorry, but you just aren't important enough for me to keep up with your every nuance on every issue. The preponderance of your posts say you are a right winger who supports right winger causes.

All of your posts say you're the typical left winger that parrots what his handlers tell him to say. It doesn't take but one utterance by the moron you call President before the rest of you fight your way to the front of the line to kiss his ass by repeating what he said. Pucker up and eat the chocolate.

I suppose I am a typical left winger. My beliefs come from the best information I can gather and my own view of the world. I don't need anyone, especially someone like Hannity or rush to tell me what to think.

That's funny because you certainly toe the party line with the most obedient of the sheep

 

[BULLDOG]

The thing about the "innocents" is that maybe they didn't commit the crimes, but rarely are they pillars of their communities. Typically they are like the dude JoeB mentioned. Thugs and gang bangers whose absence from society is not really a bad thing. The better case to look at to argue against the DP would be the West Memphis three. How that went could largely be blamed on the media and the stylish fad of being scared of devil worshippers in those days and a DA more motivated by climbing the career ladder then despencing justice. Still, the death penalty is worth it.

I don't disagree that innocents have been executed. However, despite how bad that is, it's nowhere near the level that those arguing from that point of view make it out. Their arguments against it center around innocents being executed when their true argument is that they oppose it period. It's easy to tell when suggestions are made to prevent and stop the only reason they give for opposing it. Even when that is done, they still oppose it.

Pretty quick to call someone a liar there aren't you bubba?. There are lots of reasons to oppose the death penalty.The main one is that no matter how much you talk about a higher standard, we just don't have the capability to be sure in all cases, and I don't like the idea of killing some innocent person while the guilty goes free just because someone must be punished. Perhaps life just doesn't mean much to you.

Well you are a liar didn't you say I "always support republican policies"?

That was a lie now wasn't it?

Sorry, but you just aren't important enough for me to keep up with your every nuance on every issue. The preponderance of your posts say you are a right winger who supports right winger causes.

And you're an idiot for making assumptions aren't you?

Not really. It only takes a few of your posts to see that you are a full blown RWNJ

 

[BULLDOG]

Pretty quick to call someone a liar there aren't you bubba?. There are lots of reasons to oppose the death penalty.The main one is that no matter how much you talk about a higher standard, we just don't have the capability to be sure in all cases, and I don't like the idea of killing some innocent person while the guilty goes free just because someone must be punished. Perhaps life just doesn't mean much to you.

Well you are a liar didn't you say I "always support republican policies"?

That was a lie now wasn't it?

Sorry, but you just aren't important enough for me to keep up with your every nuance on every issue. The preponderance of your posts say you are a right winger who supports right winger causes.

All of your posts say you're the typical left winger that parrots what his handlers tell him to say. It doesn't take but one utterance by the moron you call President before the rest of you fight your way to the front of the line to kiss his ass by repeating what he said. Pucker up and eat the chocolate.

I suppose I am a typical left winger. My beliefs come from the best information I can gather and my own view of the world. I don't need anyone, especially someone like Hannity or rush to tell me what to think.

That's funny because you certainly toe the party line with the most obedient of the sheep

Big difference between agreeing and being led. Right wingers don't get that.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I don't disagree that innocents have been executed. However, despite how bad that is, it's nowhere near the level that those arguing from that point of view make it out. Their arguments against it center around innocents being executed when their true argument is that they oppose it period. It's easy to tell when suggestions are made to prevent and stop the only reason they give for opposing it. Even when that is done, they still oppose it.

Pretty quick to call someone a liar there aren't you bubba?. There are lots of reasons to oppose the death penalty.The main one is that no matter how much you talk about a higher standard, we just don't have the capability to be sure in all cases, and I don't like the idea of killing some innocent person while the guilty goes free just because someone must be punished. Perhaps life just doesn't mean much to you.

Well you are a liar didn't you say I "always support republican policies"?

That was a lie now wasn't it?

Sorry, but you just aren't important enough for me to keep up with your every nuance on every issue. The preponderance of your posts say you are a right winger who supports right winger causes.

And you're an idiot for making assumptions aren't you?

Not really. It only takes a few of your posts to see that you are a full blown RWNJ

Yes I support the second amendment so I must be nuts THAT is just another example of you parroting the 2 dimensional thinking of the rest of the sheep.

 

[BULLDOG]

Pretty quick to call someone a liar there aren't you bubba?. There are lots of reasons to oppose the death penalty.The main one is that no matter how much you talk about a higher standard, we just don't have the capability to be sure in all cases, and I don't like the idea of killing some innocent person while the guilty goes free just because someone must be punished. Perhaps life just doesn't mean much to you.

Well you are a liar didn't you say I "always support republican policies"?

That was a lie now wasn't it?

Sorry, but you just aren't important enough for me to keep up with your every nuance on every issue. The preponderance of your posts say you are a right winger who supports right winger causes.

And you're an idiot for making assumptions aren't you?

Not really. It only takes a few of your posts to see that you are a full blown RWNJ

Yes I support the second amendment so I must be nuts THAT is just another example of you parroting the 2 dimensional thinking of the rest of the sheep.

Supporting the 2nd doesn't make you nuts. Hell, I support the 2nd. Thinking that the 2nd doesn't allow reasonable restrictions makes you nuts.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Well you are a liar didn't you say I "always support republican policies"?

That was a lie now wasn't it?

Sorry, but you just aren't important enough for me to keep up with your every nuance on every issue. The preponderance of your posts say you are a right winger who supports right winger causes.

And you're an idiot for making assumptions aren't you?

Not really. It only takes a few of your posts to see that you are a full blown RWNJ

Yes I support the second amendment so I must be nuts THAT is just another example of you parroting the 2 dimensional thinking of the rest of the sheep.

Supporting the 2nd doesn't make you nuts. Hell, I support the 2nd. Thinking that the 2nd doesn't allow reasonable restrictions makes you nuts.

We already have reasonable restrictions

 

[JoeB131]

We already have reasonable restrictions

no, we don't.

Germany has reasonable restrictions. When guys like Omar Mateen can legally buy machine guns, we don't have "reasonable" restrictions.

 

[Skull Pilot]

We already have reasonable restrictions

no, we don't.

Germany has reasonable restrictions. When guys like Omar Mateen can legally buy machine guns, we don't have "reasonable" restrictions.

He didn't have a machine gun you IDIOT

 

[Skull Pilot]

What are "reasonable" gun laws?

1. A reasonable law must target violent criminals, rather than law-abiding citizens.

Mothers Against Drunk Driving has succeeded by targeting the dangerous criminals, rather than going after all drivers or trying to ban certain types of cars. Any burden on law-abiding citizens must be legally "de minimus;" the least burdensome or restrictive way to accomplish the purposes of the law. Criminal laws aimed at the general population are inherently too weak to affect the criminals.

2. Any proposed firearms legislation must have a historical track record of reducing violent crime in some U.S. jurisdiction, without adversely affecting the law-abiding citizens' basic human right of self-defense.

If the proposed law has never previously been tried anywhere in the U.S., it must meet all 6 of the other criteria listed here, and it must automatically sunset, without possibility of automatic renewal, within 3 years. Renewal would only be allowed after thorough review and legislative debate to determine whether that law by itself had significantly reduced crime in that jurisdiction compared to all other demographically similar jurisdictions.

3. Any reasonable law would incorporate built-in, nearly automatic exceptions which would allow anyone who is under immediate physical threat to swear to that fact under penalty of perjury and obtain a waiver of any waiting periods, safety testing, residency requirements, and other routine requirements, pending a resolution of their situation.

No law can be reasonable or common-sense if it endangers or handicaps those who are most in need of protection while it only deals effectively with routine situations. It makes far more sense to design a law to be most efficient in dealing with the most serious life-or-death situations, not the routine or trivial ones.

4. Any reasonable, common-sense law must be designed to work in conjunction with the fact that the police are not legally responsible for our protection and cannot be held liable for failure to protect us.

There is no jurisdiction in the U.S. where a citizen can hold the police liable for failure to protect them, which means that ultimately, each person is responsible for their own protection and the protection of their loved ones.

5. A reasonable law must have a favorable cost-to-benefit ratio; otherwise the wasted resources could have had a greater crime control effect if applied elsewhere.

Policies which expend huge amounts of money while producing minimal crime-reducing results should be repealed and replaced with programs that are known to work. Wasted resources allow crime to flourish. Consider the billions of dollars that it would take to strictly enforce the existing gun laws and throw millions of firearms owners in prison ($35,000 per year for each prisoner). How much crime would be prevented? Or would it increase violent crime, as so many other gun control laws have done?

6. None of the subsections of an otherwise reasonable law would be designed to gratuitously target, handicap, or burden the average law-abiding firearms owner.

It is not reasonable or acceptable to tack on an unrelated clause or subsection which is designed to, or which has the effect of burdening or handicapping non-violent firearms owners.

7. Any reasonable, common-sense law would automatically sunset after 5 years if it has not produced significant reductions in violent crime.

If the law is not doing the job it was intended to do, it makes no sense to retain its restrictions and impediments on the natural right of self-defense or other legitimate uses of firearms, no matter how minor those restrictions might be. Laws should never impose restrictions or burdens just for the sake of having restrictions and burdens; they should have a purpose and an empirical effect if they are to be considered reasonable.

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[Mikeoxenormous]

Even if the one being executed is innocent and the guilty one is still free?

Hence my original post that capital cases should be held to a higher standard than merely beyond a reasonable doubt and must include irrefutable forensic evidence interpreted by experts not some random idiot off the streets

BULLshitDOG is just like the rest of the anti death penalty bleeding hearts. He argues that his problem with the death penalty is that innocents get executed implying that if there were a way to stop that, he'd support it. However, when things are suggested or conditions suggested that would make sure that doesn't happen, he still opposes it. I understand people don't like it but they should at least be honest and say that.

The thing about the "innocents" is that maybe they didn't commit the crimes, but rarely are they pillars of their communities. Typically they are like the dude JoeB mentioned. Thugs and gang bangers whose absence from society is not really a bad thing. The better case to look at to argue against the DP would be the West Memphis three. How that went could largely be blamed on the media and the stylish fad of being scared of devil worshippers in those days and a DA more motivated by climbing the career ladder then despencing justice. Still, the death penalty is worth it.

I don't disagree that innocents have been executed. However, despite how bad that is, it's nowhere near the level that those arguing from that point of view make it out. Their arguments against it center around innocents being executed when their true argument is that they oppose it period. It's easy to tell when suggestions are made to prevent and stop the only reason they give for opposing it. Even when that is done, they still oppose it.

Pretty quick to call someone a liar there aren't you bubba?. There are lots of reasons to oppose the death penalty.The main one is that no matter how much you talk about a higher standard, we just don't have the capability to be sure in all cases, and I don't like the idea of killing some innocent person while the guilty goes free just because someone must be punished. Perhaps life just doesn't mean much to you.

You see to be pretty sure of yourself when it comes to consensus science on Global Warming, why are you so troubled that the science of Forensic, isn't as sure? Hmmm? When a person has a rap sheet a mile long, that person is broken and cant be fixed, needs to be taken out back and shot, like a rabid animal. No more repeat offense.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I don't disagree that innocents have been executed. However, despite how bad that is, it's nowhere near the level that those arguing from that point of view make it out. Their arguments against it center around innocents being executed when their true argument is that they oppose it period. It's easy to tell when suggestions are made to prevent and stop the only reason they give for opposing it. Even when that is done, they still oppose it.

Pretty quick to call someone a liar there aren't you bubba?. There are lots of reasons to oppose the death penalty.The main one is that no matter how much you talk about a higher standard, we just don't have the capability to be sure in all cases, and I don't like the idea of killing some innocent person while the guilty goes free just because someone must be punished. Perhaps life just doesn't mean much to you.

Well you are a liar didn't you say I "always support republican policies"?

That was a lie now wasn't it?

Sorry, but you just aren't important enough for me to keep up with your every nuance on every issue. The preponderance of your posts say you are a right winger who supports right winger causes.

And you're an idiot for making assumptions aren't you?

Not really. It only takes a few of your posts to see that you are a full blown RWNJ

I would rather be a RWNJMFLOC(right wing nut job, mother fucking lover of this country) than a traitor, like the liberals are today. Liberals don't give a rats ass that 50 people died in the Gay club, they just got out real fast and once again, try to force gun control on the law abiding citizens. The FBI knew about the Muslim and did nothing about it until it was too late, Obama's FBI, Obama's government, Obama's promise to defend the Citizens of America from harm. Boy were you idiots fooled on that one.

 

[JoeB131]

1. A reasonable law must target violent criminals, rather than law-abiding citizens.

Mothers Against Drunk Driving has succeeded by targeting the dangerous criminals, rather than going after all drivers or trying to ban certain types of cars. Any burden on law-abiding citizens must be legally "de minimus;" the least burdensome or restrictive way to accomplish the purposes of the law. Criminal laws aimed at the general population are inherently too weak to affect the criminals.

Not really. actually, all MADD did was fatten the coffers of the state by getting guys who blew at .08 to get saddled with DUI's. They didn't stop the guy who drinks to .30 from mowing down kids. Now, there's a simple way to stop all DUI's. Make breathalyzers standard equipment. you can't start your car until you blow.

2. Any proposed firearms legislation must have a historical track record of reducing violent crime in some U.S. jurisdiction, without adversely affecting the law-abiding citizens' basic human right of self-defense.

Again, why do you always restrict it to laws in the US? Other countries have national restrictions and acheive the desired results. The problem with a local jurisdiction, like let's say Chicago, banning guns is that you can drive over to Cicero and buy all the guns you want. Gun laws have to be uniform to work.

 

[JoeB131]

I would rather be a RWNJMFLOC(right wing nut job, mother fucking lover of this country) than a traitor, like the liberals are today. Liberals don't give a rats ass that 50 people died in the Gay club, they just got out real fast and once again, try to force gun control on the law abiding citizens. The FBI knew about the Muslim and did nothing about it until it was too late, Obama's FBI, Obama's government, Obama's promise to defend the Citizens of America from harm. Boy were you idiots fooled on that one.

Omar Mateen was a law-abiding citizen up until the point he started shooting up that nightclub.

 

[Moonglow]

Pretty quick to call someone a liar there aren't you bubba?. There are lots of reasons to oppose the death penalty.The main one is that no matter how much you talk about a higher standard, we just don't have the capability to be sure in all cases, and I don't like the idea of killing some innocent person while the guilty goes free just because someone must be punished. Perhaps life just doesn't mean much to you.

Well you are a liar didn't you say I "always support republican policies"?

That was a lie now wasn't it?

Sorry, but you just aren't important enough for me to keep up with your every nuance on every issue. The preponderance of your posts say you are a right winger who supports right winger causes.

And you're an idiot for making assumptions aren't you?

Not really. It only takes a few of your posts to see that you are a full blown RWNJ

I would rather be a RWNJMFLOC(right wing nut job, mother fucking lover of this country) than a traitor, like the liberals are today. Liberals don't give a rats ass that 50 people died in the Gay club, they just got out real fast and once again, try to force gun control on the law abiding citizens. The FBI knew about the Muslim and did nothing about it until it was too late, Obama's FBI, Obama's government, Obama's promise to defend the Citizens of America from harm. Boy were you idiots fooled on that one.

You do not speak for me, how dare you..

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I would rather be a RWNJMFLOC(right wing nut job, mother fucking lover of this country) than a traitor, like the liberals are today. Liberals don't give a rats ass that 50 people died in the Gay club, they just got out real fast and once again, try to force gun control on the law abiding citizens. The FBI knew about the Muslim and did nothing about it until it was too late, Obama's FBI, Obama's government, Obama's promise to defend the Citizens of America from harm. Boy were you idiots fooled on that one.

Omar Mateen was a law-abiding citizen up until the point he started shooting up that nightclub.

17 Facts About The Orlando Shooter That Every American Should Know

17 Facts About The Orlando Shooter That Every American Should Know

Yeah Joe, Mateen was about as law abiding as William Ayers was back when Bill was with the Weather Underground. You liberals never disappoint, do you? You Radical Left Wing, Traitorous, Muslims Sympathizers.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Well you are a liar didn't you say I "always support republican policies"?

That was a lie now wasn't it?

Sorry, but you just aren't important enough for me to keep up with your every nuance on every issue. The preponderance of your posts say you are a right winger who supports right winger causes.

And you're an idiot for making assumptions aren't you?

Not really. It only takes a few of your posts to see that you are a full blown RWNJ

I would rather be a RWNJMFLOC(right wing nut job, mother fucking lover of this country) than a traitor, like the liberals are today. Liberals don't give a rats ass that 50 people died in the Gay club, they just got out real fast and once again, try to force gun control on the law abiding citizens. The FBI knew about the Muslim and did nothing about it until it was too late, Obama's FBI, Obama's government, Obama's promise to defend the Citizens of America from harm. Boy were you idiots fooled on that one.

You do not speak for me, how dare you..

Why , you libidiots constantly try to put words in our mouths, like how we "HATE GAYS". Stop showing your FAUX indignation, you hypocrite.

 

[Moonglow]

I would rather be a RWNJMFLOC(right wing nut job, mother fucking lover of this country) than a traitor, like the liberals are today. Liberals don't give a rats ass that 50 people died in the Gay club, they just got out real fast and once again, try to force gun control on the law abiding citizens. The FBI knew about the Muslim and did nothing about it until it was too late, Obama's FBI, Obama's government, Obama's promise to defend the Citizens of America from harm. Boy were you idiots fooled on that one.

Omar Mateen was a law-abiding citizen up until the point he started shooting up that nightclub.

17 Facts About The Orlando Shooter That Every American Should Know

17 Facts About The Orlando Shooter That Every American Should Know

Yeah Joe, Mateen was about as law abiding as William Ayers was back when Bill was with the Weather Underground. You liberals never disappoint, do you? You Radical Left Wing, Traitorous, Muslims Sympathizers.

Why yes, even you knew about the shooters history your entire life...

 

[Moonglow]

Sorry, but you just aren't important enough for me to keep up with your every nuance on every issue. The preponderance of your posts say you are a right winger who supports right winger causes.

And you're an idiot for making assumptions aren't you?

Not really. It only takes a few of your posts to see that you are a full blown RWNJ

I would rather be a RWNJMFLOC(right wing nut job, mother fucking lover of this country) than a traitor, like the liberals are today. Liberals don't give a rats ass that 50 people died in the Gay club, they just got out real fast and once again, try to force gun control on the law abiding citizens. The FBI knew about the Muslim and did nothing about it until it was too late, Obama's FBI, Obama's government, Obama's promise to defend the Citizens of America from harm. Boy were you idiots fooled on that one.

You do not speak for me, how dare you..

Why , you libidiots constantly try to put words in our mouths, like how we "HATE GAYS". Stop showing your FAUX indignation, you hypocrite.

So the ones that put words into your mouth is your teacher and you are the pupil? Or have you ever considered being your own man and speaking truth and wisdom?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I would rather be a RWNJMFLOC(right wing nut job, mother fucking lover of this country) than a traitor, like the liberals are today. Liberals don't give a rats ass that 50 people died in the Gay club, they just got out real fast and once again, try to force gun control on the law abiding citizens. The FBI knew about the Muslim and did nothing about it until it was too late, Obama's FBI, Obama's government, Obama's promise to defend the Citizens of America from harm. Boy were you idiots fooled on that one.

Omar Mateen was a law-abiding citizen up until the point he started shooting up that nightclub.

Orlando shooter had history of fistfights, aggression in school, records show

Orlando shooter had history of fistfights, aggression in school, records show

Yep law abiding.
All I have to know is how liberals think, and know that you will break the law, anyway you can. That is your nature, your upbringing, you ideologue. You hate it when people are happy, so must make everyone miserable, because you are miserable, then everyone is equal, equally miserable. That is liberalism "FAIRNESS".

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

And you're an idiot for making assumptions aren't you?

Not really. It only takes a few of your posts to see that you are a full blown RWNJ

I would rather be a RWNJMFLOC(right wing nut job, mother fucking lover of this country) than a traitor, like the liberals are today. Liberals don't give a rats ass that 50 people died in the Gay club, they just got out real fast and once again, try to force gun control on the law abiding citizens. The FBI knew about the Muslim and did nothing about it until it was too late, Obama's FBI, Obama's government, Obama's promise to defend the Citizens of America from harm. Boy were you idiots fooled on that one.

You do not speak for me, how dare you..

Why , you libidiots constantly try to put words in our mouths, like how we "HATE GAYS". Stop showing your FAUX indignation, you hypocrite.

So the ones that put words into your mouth is your teacher and you are the pupil? Or have you ever considered being your own man and speaking truth and wisdom?

Truth like - If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor?
Obamacare will save you $2,500?
The Benghazi attack was caused by a movie about the prophet?
IRS scandal never happened?
Her Email account never had classified information on it?
I did not have sexual relations with that woman?

Seems to me you have a distorted view about truth and wisdom.....