The Death Penalty---OP/ED

[Conservative65]

Actually, there is a good reason. In fact, more than one. I want guns and the Constitution says I have the right to have them if I want them. Don't like it, continue to be a pussy and be afraid of them while making excuses to hide your cowardice.

No, the constitution says we have the right to a WELL REGULATED MILITIA.

So what are you going to do when the courts say you can't have them?

The Constitution says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The better question is are you going to be man enough to come and take them. I say you won't have the guts to try.

 

[Crixus]

1. America is not any of the other foreign countries. Dont like the death penalty go live in one of them. As for killing an innocent person, meh. Innocent people get killed by drunk drivers more often then accidentally getting juiced by a state.

2. Limit the appeals. Problem fixed!

As for the medical waste. Just like my views are my own, your views are YOUR own. Bet your glad your parents did not decied your were medical waste. Or maybe they did and that's why your so grumpy.

You do realize attacking people's family's is against the rules, don't you?

Anyway, the problem with limiting appeals is that you increase the chances of making a mistake.

Rolando Cruz was a guy who was wrongfully convicted in Illinois. Only because of the appeals that were filed on his behalf did we finally get to the truth- that someone else did it, and that DuPage County was railroading him even though they knew he didn't do it.

I attacked no one's family. I could give two shits about a Mexican gang member who involved him self in a murder investigation by lying about details in order to collect a reward. No great loss to society had he got the needle. Think of all the crimes he didn't commit because he was in prision. I'm okay with it.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The juries are the problem the juries are chosen by lawyers and are manipulated by lawyers and they don't understand the science involved in forensics to the degree necessary to interpret evidence

Get rid of the jury system and the only thing that natters is the evidence not what 12 random people think the evidence is

And you want to get rid of the second amendment so so much for your shredding the constitution theory

i want to get rid of the second amendment because it's a stupid idea (or at least the way the tiny-dicked compensators are interpreting it) in 2016. We don't have militias anymore, so we don't need an armed populace.

Getting rid of the people having a say in the court system, not so much. Anyone who doesn't trust a jury trial can always ask for a bench trial.

And the idea that 12 random people can expertly weigh evidence is even more stupid

 

[Skull Pilot]

There we have it. Another piece of shit gun hater that thinks because he believes something is stupid the rest of us should be subject to his beliefs.

I'd say since you hate the Constitution and are afraid to own a gun, it's not because you're tiny but because you're a pussy. Because you're scared doesn't mean the rest of us should accommodate your cowardice.

Yeah, given how many of you guys lose your shit and start shooting people, it's a reasonable fear.

There's no good reason for you to have a gun.

And how many is that exactly?

.0001% maybe?

 

[Skull Pilot]

I posit that it would cost less as an expert panel would not need months and months of nonessential testimony and they could work on several cases at once

I wouldn't want to sit on a jury and rely on lawyers to tell the truth why the hell would you?

You say that lawyers are the problem and yet you want them telling you what the evidence means

Man you're even stupider than I thought and that's saying something

I would say SOME lawyers are the problem. so you fix the lawyers, not the juries.

again, we don't have enough forensic specialists to process evidence we have now. and most cases don't rely on forensics anyway.

1) Make sure the accused have adequate representation.
2) Sanction prosecutors who behave in unethical manners
3) Get rid of the death penalty because the system will never be infallible.

Problem. Fucking. Solved. And you didn't have to shred the constitution.

I say people like you that care more for a guilty murderers than the innocent victims of those murderers. That's the problem. If you execute those guilty in a manner in which it needs to be done, the smart ones that would do such a thing would learn and the idiots that don't would be subject to the same punishment.

The death penalty is not a deterrent to most murderers.

Scientific studies have consistently failed to demonstrate that executions deter people from committing crime anymore than long prison sentences. Moreover, states without the death penalty have much lower murder rates. The South accounts for 80% of US executions and has the highest regional murder rate.
Death Penalty Focus : Deterrence
deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=82
Death Penalty Focus of California

Don't care. The ONLY thing that matters is the one that is being executed is getting what he/she deserved for what he/she did.

Even if the one being executed is innocent and the guilty one is still free?

Hence my original post that capital cases should be held to a higher standard than merely beyond a reasonable doubt and must include irrefutable forensic evidence interpreted by experts not some random idiot off the streets

 

[Conservative65]

I would say SOME lawyers are the problem. so you fix the lawyers, not the juries.

again, we don't have enough forensic specialists to process evidence we have now. and most cases don't rely on forensics anyway.

1) Make sure the accused have adequate representation.
2) Sanction prosecutors who behave in unethical manners
3) Get rid of the death penalty because the system will never be infallible.

Problem. Fucking. Solved. And you didn't have to shred the constitution.

I say people like you that care more for a guilty murderers than the innocent victims of those murderers. That's the problem. If you execute those guilty in a manner in which it needs to be done, the smart ones that would do such a thing would learn and the idiots that don't would be subject to the same punishment.

The death penalty is not a deterrent to most murderers.

Scientific studies have consistently failed to demonstrate that executions deter people from committing crime anymore than long prison sentences. Moreover, states without the death penalty have much lower murder rates. The South accounts for 80% of US executions and has the highest regional murder rate.
Death Penalty Focus : Deterrence
deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=82
Death Penalty Focus of California

Don't care. The ONLY thing that matters is the one that is being executed is getting what he/she deserved for what he/she did.

Even if the one being executed is innocent and the guilty one is still free?

Hence my original post that capital cases should be held to a higher standard than merely beyond a reasonable doubt and must include irrefutable forensic evidence interpreted by experts not some random idiot off the streets

BULLshitDOG is just like the rest of the anti death penalty bleeding hearts. He argues that his problem with the death penalty is that innocents get executed implying that if there were a way to stop that, he'd support it. However, when things are suggested or conditions suggested that would make sure that doesn't happen, he still opposes it. I understand people don't like it but they should at least be honest and say that.

 

[Crixus]

I say people like you that care more for a guilty murderers than the innocent victims of those murderers. That's the problem. If you execute those guilty in a manner in which it needs to be done, the smart ones that would do such a thing would learn and the idiots that don't would be subject to the same punishment.

The death penalty is not a deterrent to most murderers.

Scientific studies have consistently failed to demonstrate that executions deter people from committing crime anymore than long prison sentences. Moreover, states without the death penalty have much lower murder rates. The South accounts for 80% of US executions and has the highest regional murder rate.
Death Penalty Focus : Deterrence
deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=82
Death Penalty Focus of California

Don't care. The ONLY thing that matters is the one that is being executed is getting what he/she deserved for what he/she did.

Even if the one being executed is innocent and the guilty one is still free?

Hence my original post that capital cases should be held to a higher standard than merely beyond a reasonable doubt and must include irrefutable forensic evidence interpreted by experts not some random idiot off the streets

BULLshitDOG is just like the rest of the anti death penalty bleeding hearts. He argues that his problem with the death penalty is that innocents get executed implying that if there were a way to stop that, he'd support it. However, when things are suggested or conditions suggested that would make sure that doesn't happen, he still opposes it. I understand people don't like it but they should at least be honest and say that.

The thing about the "innocents" is that maybe they didn't commit the crimes, but rarely are they pillars of their communities. Typically they are like the dude JoeB mentioned. Thugs and gang bangers whose absence from society is not really a bad thing. The better case to look at to argue against the DP would be the West Memphis three. How that went could largely be blamed on the media and the stylish fad of being scared of devil worshippers in those days and a DA more motivated by climbing the career ladder then despencing justice. Still, the death penalty is worth it.

 

[Conservative65]

The death penalty is not a deterrent to most murderers.

Scientific studies have consistently failed to demonstrate that executions deter people from committing crime anymore than long prison sentences. Moreover, states without the death penalty have much lower murder rates. The South accounts for 80% of US executions and has the highest regional murder rate.
Death Penalty Focus : Deterrence
deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=82
Death Penalty Focus of California

Don't care. The ONLY thing that matters is the one that is being executed is getting what he/she deserved for what he/she did.

Even if the one being executed is innocent and the guilty one is still free?

Hence my original post that capital cases should be held to a higher standard than merely beyond a reasonable doubt and must include irrefutable forensic evidence interpreted by experts not some random idiot off the streets

BULLshitDOG is just like the rest of the anti death penalty bleeding hearts. He argues that his problem with the death penalty is that innocents get executed implying that if there were a way to stop that, he'd support it. However, when things are suggested or conditions suggested that would make sure that doesn't happen, he still opposes it. I understand people don't like it but they should at least be honest and say that.

The thing about the "innocents" is that maybe they didn't commit the crimes, but rarely are they pillars of their communities. Typically they are like the dude JoeB mentioned. Thugs and gang bangers whose absence from society is not really a bad thing. The better case to look at to argue against the DP would be the West Memphis three. How that went could largely be blamed on the media and the stylish fad of being scared of devil worshippers in those days and a DA more motivated by climbing the career ladder then despencing justice. Still, the death penalty is worth it.

I don't disagree that innocents have been executed. However, despite how bad that is, it's nowhere near the level that those arguing from that point of view make it out. Their arguments against it center around innocents being executed when their true argument is that they oppose it period. It's easy to tell when suggestions are made to prevent and stop the only reason they give for opposing it. Even when that is done, they still oppose it.

 

[Crixus]

Don't care. The ONLY thing that matters is the one that is being executed is getting what he/she deserved for what he/she did.

Even if the one being executed is innocent and the guilty one is still free?

Hence my original post that capital cases should be held to a higher standard than merely beyond a reasonable doubt and must include irrefutable forensic evidence interpreted by experts not some random idiot off the streets

BULLshitDOG is just like the rest of the anti death penalty bleeding hearts. He argues that his problem with the death penalty is that innocents get executed implying that if there were a way to stop that, he'd support it. However, when things are suggested or conditions suggested that would make sure that doesn't happen, he still opposes it. I understand people don't like it but they should at least be honest and say that.

The thing about the "innocents" is that maybe they didn't commit the crimes, but rarely are they pillars of their communities. Typically they are like the dude JoeB mentioned. Thugs and gang bangers whose absence from society is not really a bad thing. The better case to look at to argue against the DP would be the West Memphis three. How that went could largely be blamed on the media and the stylish fad of being scared of devil worshippers in those days and a DA more motivated by climbing the career ladder then despencing justice. Still, the death penalty is worth it.

I don't disagree that innocents have been executed. However, despite how bad that is, it's nowhere near the level that those arguing from that point of view make it out. Their arguments against it center around innocents being executed when their true argument is that they oppose it period. It's easy to tell when suggestions are made to prevent and stop the only reason they give for opposing it. Even when that is done, they still oppose it.

What I don't get is how those who oppose it will turn around and support abortion. Call a fetus medical waste,uet a thug who likely committed murder is a human being. Just weird.

 

[Conservative65]

Even if the one being executed is innocent and the guilty one is still free?

Hence my original post that capital cases should be held to a higher standard than merely beyond a reasonable doubt and must include irrefutable forensic evidence interpreted by experts not some random idiot off the streets

BULLshitDOG is just like the rest of the anti death penalty bleeding hearts. He argues that his problem with the death penalty is that innocents get executed implying that if there were a way to stop that, he'd support it. However, when things are suggested or conditions suggested that would make sure that doesn't happen, he still opposes it. I understand people don't like it but they should at least be honest and say that.

The thing about the "innocents" is that maybe they didn't commit the crimes, but rarely are they pillars of their communities. Typically they are like the dude JoeB mentioned. Thugs and gang bangers whose absence from society is not really a bad thing. The better case to look at to argue against the DP would be the West Memphis three. How that went could largely be blamed on the media and the stylish fad of being scared of devil worshippers in those days and a DA more motivated by climbing the career ladder then despencing justice. Still, the death penalty is worth it.

I don't disagree that innocents have been executed. However, despite how bad that is, it's nowhere near the level that those arguing from that point of view make it out. Their arguments against it center around innocents being executed when their true argument is that they oppose it period. It's easy to tell when suggestions are made to prevent and stop the only reason they give for opposing it. Even when that is done, they still oppose it.

What I don't get is how those who oppose it will turn around and support abortion. Call a fetus medical waste,uet a thug who likely committed murder is a human being. Just weird.

They don't consider an innocent unborn baby a person to the same level they consider a worthless, murderous piece of shit that deserves the death penalty a person.

 

[JoeB131]

The Constitution says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

until the Courts say that's about Militias again.

then you are screwed.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The Constitution says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

until the Courts say that's about Militias again.

then you are screwed.

Funny how I have owned a gun since i was 16 even when you say the second was interpreted that membership in a militia was a prerequisite for owning a gun

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I don't think any other subject stirs up as much as the death penalty, short of abortion. The biggest problem is that while liberal democrats FIGHT any inclusion of morality in abortion they INSIST on its placement when talking about the death penalty. They CLAIM the right has a flawed idea of morals when it comes to the death penalty and that simply is NOT the case.

THE DEATH PENALTY IS INHUMANE
Killing an innocent in the womb that has committed no crime is inhumane. Killing a murderer a rapist or a child molester is justice. A given percentage of the populace is simply going to be criminals. There is no utopia no programs that is going to change that. And people simply need to be adult enough to accept that.

THE DEATH PENALTY SHOULD BE PAINLESS
Why? Granted I am not saying burn them at the stake but why should it HAVE to be painless? Down here in Arizona in the town I live in we had a meth head passing through town that beat a woman to death for her lap top and some change. Anybody care to guess how long it takes to get beat to death? Reports at the time said her beating MAY have taken 15 to 20 minutes. Why does his death HAVE to be painless? Why should he be allowed to just go to sleep?

THE DEAD BODY CAN TRAUMATIZE THE FAMILY
That's a good thing, its a wake up call your family has a failure in parenting OR where you live has a failure in community. Its the result of a socially unacceptable act. They USED to do it in public and people used to bring their children. It was a lesson is social morality. If you behave this way then that is the result.

THE DEATH PENALTY SHOULD NOT BE PUBLIC
Wrong again as there is every reason FOR it to be public. I am not talking required to watch but available. I would go so far as to leave it open to the press. I would allow it to be televised. The victims, their families and the general population have a RIGHT to see their justice system work.

Fury

The liberals argument against the Death Penalty is that it doesn't deter future criminals from doing harm to others(Deterent). I agree that this may not factor in, but it does stop one thing for sure..... THE REPEAT OFFENDER WHO HAS A RAP SHEET A MILE LONG. When a rabid animal bites a human, do they put it in a cage and take care it for the rest of its life? Nope they take it out back and destroy it.

If the family cant deal with their dead executed son/daughter, then they NEED TO KEEP THEIR KIDS from growing up EVIL.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

The Constitution says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

until the Courts say that's about Militias again.

then you are screwed.

Joe is afraid of the scary ole guns, he probably shot himself, trying to be a tough guy, and when he lost his left testicle, he realized that guns weren't for him.
Public urinator shoots himself in the groin: police

Man caught urinating on Brooklyn street shoots himself in the groin while trying to ditch gun: police

 

[JoeB131]

They don't consider an innocent unborn baby a person to the same level they consider a worthless, murderous piece of shit that deserves the death penalty a person.

The bible didn't consider an unborn baby a person, either.

Exodus 21:22-25 which states:


22. And should men quarrel and hit a pregnant woman, and she miscarries but there is no fatality, he shall surely be punished, when the woman’s husband makes demands of him, and he shall give [restitution] according to the judges’ [orders]. 23. But if there is a fatality, you shall give a life for a life, 24. an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a hand for a hand, a foot for a foot. 25. a burn for a burn, a wound for a wound, a bruise for a bruise.

Ooops. What's that? Causing a miscarriage is only worthy of a FINE? Mind you having the Gay sex or picking up sticks in bible times was enough to get you the death penalty, but causign a miscarriage. Meh, just fine the guy.

 

[JoeB131]

The liberals argument against the Death Penalty is that it doesn't deter future criminals from doing harm to others(Deterent). I agree that this may not factor in, but it does stop one thing for sure..... THE REPEAT OFFENDER WHO HAS A RAP SHEET A MILE LONG. When a rabid animal bites a human, do they put it in a cage and take care it for the rest of its life? Nope they take it out back and destroy it.

If the family cant deal with their dead executed son/daughter, then they NEED TO KEEP THEIR KIDS from growing up EVIL.

People aren't animals. By your logic, we should euthanize old people because that's what we do to animals when they get too old.

 

[JoeB131]

Joe is afraid of the scary ole guns, he probably shot himself, trying to be a tough guy, and when he lost his left testicle, he realized that guns weren't for him.

I was in the army for 11 years and problaby handled more guns guns than you have.

I simply don't tihnk that those guns belong in civilian hands.

 

[Conservative65]

The Constitution says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

until the Courts say that's about Militias again.

then you are screwed.

Not unless you're man enough to take them from me. If you make that mistake, you're screwed. If you don't, then you're just another pussy that says something shouldn't occur yet scared to do anything about it.

 

[Conservative65]

Joe is afraid of the scary ole guns, he probably shot himself, trying to be a tough guy, and when he lost his left testicle, he realized that guns weren't for him.

I was in the army for 11 years and problaby handled more guns guns than you have.

I simply don't tihnk that those guns belong in civilian hands.

11 years of wasted taxpayer money.

The Constitution says otherwise so what you think really doesn't matter.

 

[Conservative65]

They don't consider an innocent unborn baby a person to the same level they consider a worthless, murderous piece of shit that deserves the death penalty a person.

The bible didn't consider an unborn baby a person, either.

Exodus 21:22-25 which states:


22. And should men quarrel and hit a pregnant woman, and she miscarries but there is no fatality, he shall surely be punished, when the woman’s husband makes demands of him, and he shall give [restitution] according to the judges’ [orders]. 23. But if there is a fatality, you shall give a life for a life, 24. an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a hand for a hand, a foot for a foot. 25. a burn for a burn, a wound for a wound, a bruise for a bruise.

Ooops. What's that? Causing a miscarriage is only worthy of a FINE? Mind you having the Gay sex or picking up sticks in bible times was enough to get you the death penalty, but causign a miscarriage. Meh, just fine the guy.

Oh, another one that doesn't believe in God and what the Bible says trying to tell the rest of us what it means. Don't work that boy, retard.