The Civil War

[Unkotare]

"For free"? Mexico started the war, and signed the treaty that ended it.

How did Mexico start the war?

By killing American soldiers on American soil, you ignorant fool.

The USA started it by occupying Mexican territory, moron

Wrong again, traitor.

 

[Unkotare]

It wasn't the War of Northern Aggression or the War Between the States.

It wasn't a war between the states?

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They've been lying to us in school all those years.

A civil war is defined as "a war between citizens of the same country." Seems plain enough.

Southerners were not citizens of the Unites States after they seceded.

Yes they were. The so-called secession was illegitimate, illegal, and recognized by exactly 0 nations on this planet earth.

Prove it.

It has been proven and demonstrated and documented over and over and over and over and over on this very side, you stupid piece of shit.

You haven't proved jack shit.

Study history, you brainless douche.

I have, especially the history of the Civil War.

Clearly you have not, you ignorant douche.

Clearly I have.....

Despite zero evidence of any education training or experience in the area. You’re just another idiot with one of those things that everybody has.

The United States was founded on the principle that legitimate government is based on the people recognizing the government as legitimate.

When you say people who were trying to fight a war to leave cannot leave, maybe you can claim they are still subjects of our government, but our government was no longer legitimate by it's own founding documents.

Did you read that part of history?

If every citizen of the so-called confederate states shared a desire to leave the union, you might have a tiny fraction of an argument to build upon, but they did not and you do not. The traitorous rebels were illegal and illegitimate in every way. They were punished to a tiny fraction of what they deserved, just as assholes today who take up their evil cause will be let off the hook for far too easily.

Sorry turd, but the government you currently live under doesn't exist as a result of unanimous consent, so why is that required to leave this malformed union?

You, personally, can GTFO any time you want.

After you, shit for brains.

You are the one who hates America, you are the one who denounced his citizenship on this very site.

Unkotare: If you know what the founding fathers meant by consent of the governed, you "hate America."

You're one stupid fuck

Love it. Best post of the day.

The dipshit hates FDR for imprisoning Japanese Americans, but loves Dishonest Abe for mass murdering Americans. Fucking HYPOCRITE.

All Democrats are hypocrites when it comes to Abe Lincoln and the Civil War.

Lincoln was a Republican, idiot.

 

[Unkotare]

Nope. Itwasn't U.S. soil after the Confederate states seceded. It doesn't matter how many times you lie about it. That's just a fact.

You are clearly desperate, and have nothing to offer to support your pretense. The documented truth prevails.

Lincoln was legitimately elected President of the United States in 1860, of all 33 states.

He told the traitors who rejected the United States Constitution "You have no oath registered in Heaven to destroy the government, while I shall have the most solemn one to preserve, protect and defend it.”

No sovereignty on earth ever recognized a self-proclaimed entity fancying itself "The Confederate States of America."

You can rage against that reality, but cannot refute it.

No one said he wasn't legitmately electeed, however, he also had no authority to invade Virginia. In fact, doing so was an act of treason. It doesn't matter whether a foreign power recognized the Confederacy or not. What foreign power recognized the Soviet Union?

Do you know how to read?

 

[bripat9643]

" The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form, and character, and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these the Union was solemnly declared to 'be perpetual.' And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained 'to form a more perfect Union.' It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not? "

Who's the author of your quote. It really doesn't make any difference since that is merely his opinion. Plenty of others had a different opinion.

 

[bripat9643]

It wasn't the War of Northern Aggression or the War Between the States.

It wasn't a war between the states?

View attachment 462175
They've been lying to us in school all those years.

A civil war is defined as "a war between citizens of the same country." Seems plain enough.

Southerners were not citizens of the Unites States after they seceded.

Yes they were. The so-called secession was illegitimate, illegal, and recognized by exactly 0 nations on this planet earth.

Prove it.

It has been proven and demonstrated and documented over and over and over and over and over on this very side, you stupid piece of shit.

You haven't proved jack shit.

Study history, you brainless douche.

I have, especially the history of the Civil War.

Clearly you have not, you ignorant douche.

Clearly I have.....

Despite zero evidence of any education training or experience in the area. You’re just another idiot with one of those things that everybody has.

The United States was founded on the principle that legitimate government is based on the people recognizing the government as legitimate.

When you say people who were trying to fight a war to leave cannot leave, maybe you can claim they are still subjects of our government, but our government was no longer legitimate by it's own founding documents.

Did you read that part of history?

If every citizen of the so-called confederate states shared a desire to leave the union, you might have a tiny fraction of an argument to build upon, but they did not and you do not. The traitorous rebels were illegal and illegitimate in every way. They were punished to a tiny fraction of what they deserved, just as assholes today who take up their evil cause will be let off the hook for far too easily.

Sorry turd, but the government you currently live under doesn't exist as a result of unanimous consent, so why is that required to leave this malformed union?

You, personally, can GTFO any time you want.

After you, shit for brains.

You are the one who hates America, you are the one who denounced his citizenship on this very site.

Unkotare: If you know what the founding fathers meant by consent of the governed, you "hate America."

You're one stupid fuck

Love it. Best post of the day.

The dipshit hates FDR for imprisoning Japanese Americans, but loves Dishonest Abe for mass murdering Americans. Fucking HYPOCRITE.

All Democrats are hypocrites when it comes to Abe Lincoln and the Civil War.

Lincoln was a Republican, idiot.

I know. He is still a saint in the Democrat party.

 

[Unkotare]

...

He was not president of Virginia......

He was president of the United States of America. Virginia was one of the states of the United States of America.

Not after it seceded.

The so-called secession was illegal and illegitimate, as has been explained to you many times now. Are you too stupid to understand?

 

[bripat9643]

"For free"? Mexico started the war, and signed the treaty that ended it.

How did Mexico start the war?

By killing American soldiers on American soil, you ignorant fool.

The USA started it by occupying Mexican territory, moron

Wrong again, traitor.

Mexican-American War

Nonetheless, annexation procedures were quickly initiated after the 1844 election of Polk, who campaigned that Texas should be “re-annexed” and that the Oregon Territory should be “re-occupied.” Polk also had his eyes on California, New Mexico and the rest of what is today the U.S. Southwest. When his offer to purchase those lands was rejected, he instigated a fight by moving troops into a disputed zone between the Rio Grande and Nueces River that both countries had previously recognized as part of the Mexican state of Coahuila.

 

[Unkotare]

" The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form, and character, and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these the Union was solemnly declared to 'be perpetual.' And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained 'to form a more perfect Union.' It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not? "

Who's the author of your quote. ...

TEXAS v. WHITE ET AL.

www.law.cornell.edu

How does your foot taste, dumbass?

 

[bripat9643]

...

He was not president of Virginia......

He was president of the United States of America. Virginia was one of the states of the United States of America.

Not after it seceded.

The so-called secession was illegal and illegitimate, as has been explained to you many times now. Are you too stupid to understand?

What law says a state cannot secede?

 

[Unkotare]

...

He was not president of Virginia......

He was president of the United States of America. Virginia was one of the states of the United States of America.

Not after it seceded.

The so-called secession was illegal and illegitimate, as has been explained to you many times now. Are you too stupid to understand?

What law says a state cannot secede?

The Constitution of the United States of America.

 

[bripat9643]

" The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form, and character, and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these the Union was solemnly declared to 'be perpetual.' And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained 'to form a more perfect Union.' It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not? "

Who's the author of your quote. ...

TEXAS v. WHITE ET AL.

www.law.cornell.edu

How does your foot taste, dumbass?

I don't know how it tastes. I don't stick it in my mouth.

Texas v White was made by an S.C. infested with Lincoln appointees. It's no more credible than the New York Times.

 

[Unkotare]

" The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form, and character, and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these the Union was solemnly declared to 'be perpetual.' And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained 'to form a more perfect Union.' It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not? "

 

[bripat9643]

...

He was not president of Virginia......

He was president of the United States of America. Virginia was one of the states of the United States of America.

Not after it seceded.

The so-called secession was illegal and illegitimate, as has been explained to you many times now. Are you too stupid to understand?

What law says a state cannot secede?

The Constitution of the United States of America.

Please quote where it says that.

 

[bripat9643]

" The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form, and character, and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these the Union was solemnly declared to 'be perpetual.' And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained 'to form a more perfect Union.' It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not? "

Worthless opinion by a Lincoln appointed hack.

 

[bripat9643]

...

He was not president of Virginia......

He was president of the United States of America. Virginia was one of the states of the United States of America.

Not after it seceded.

The so-called secession was illegal and illegitimate, as has been explained to you many times now. Are you too stupid to understand?

That must have been right after you "explained" that a triangle has four sides.

 

[there4eyeM]

Individuals were and are free to leave the Perpetual Union. Member states were and are not.

What document says that?

The Constitution

To understand this would mean understanding English.

 

[Unkotare]

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Texas v White was made by an [sic] S.C. infested with Lincoln appointees. It's no more credible than the New York Times.

Oh, some ignorant nobody who wouldn't know the law if it picked him up and drove his head through the pavement disapproves of the Supreme Court? Well, that means..........................absolutely fucking nothing.

I suppose an America-hating liberal like you also disapproves of the current court because President Trump nominated so many of the justices.

Wait...........yep, still means absolutely fucking nothing.

 

[bripat9643]

Individuals were and are free to leave the Perpetual Union. Member states were and are not.

What document says that?

The Constitution

To understand this would mean understanding English.

Here's your chance to show everyone your unexcelled understanding of English.

Where does the Constitution say that secession isn't allowed?

 

[bripat9643]

...

Texas v White was made by an [sic] S.C. infested with Lincoln appointees. It's no more credible than the New York Times.

Oh, some ignorant nobody who wouldn't know the law if it picked him up and drove his head through the pavement disapproves of the Supreme Court? Well, that means..........................absolutely fucking nothing.

I suppose an America-hating liberal like you also disapproves of the current court because President Trump nominated so many of the justices.

Wait...........yep, still means absolutely fucking nothing.

I've aleady explained my positiion of the court. If you believe it to be infallible, then you're a brain-dead moron.

According to the decision, Texas was a state of the union. How could that be true when it had no representation in Congress and it's citizens could not vote for President? The decision was obvious bullshit.

 

[Unkotare]

Individuals were and are free to leave the Perpetual Union. Member states were and are not.

What document says that?

The Constitution

To understand this would mean understanding English.

That would be asking too much of him.