The birth of Zionist propaganda on film

[Divine Wind]

It is all down to his religious training at the hands of nuns and priests that still to this day believe and teach that the Jews killed God

That's not official Christian doctrine since we all know God sent Jesus to the cross. Ergo, God is responsible for Christ's death.

 

[montelatici]

The facts are the facts, the only thing that is ridiculous is your denial of the facts. I can see that your agitation has not decreased. Apparently,islamo-sensibilities are an issue with you, you keep bringing it up, whatever you think it means.

 

[Divine Wind]

The facts are the facts, the only thing that is ridiculous is your denial of the facts. I can see that your agitation has not decreased. Apparently,islamo-sensibilities are an issue with you, you keep bringing it up, whatever you think it means.

Say what?

 

[montelatici]

The facts are the facts, the only thing that is ridiculous is your denial of the facts. I can see that your agitation has not decreased. Apparently,islamo-sensibilities are an issue with you, you keep bringing it up, whatever you think it means.

Say what?

It was to Hollie. Sorry you had to witness the silliness.

 

[Hollie]

The facts are the facts, the only thing that is ridiculous is your denial of the facts. I can see that your agitation has not decreased. Apparently,islamo-sensibilities are an issue with you, you keep bringing it up, whatever you think it means.

Say what?

It was to Hollie. Sorry you had to witness the silliness.

More of your incoherent rambling?

 

[Phoenall]

It is all down to his religious training at the hands of nuns and priests that still to this day believe and teach that the Jews killed God

That's not official Christian doctrine since we all know God sent Jesus to the cross. Ergo, God is responsible for Christ's death.

Not according to papal edict from the very first Pope, even the last Pope saying that this was no longer true the majority of Catholics still believe it.

 

[Divine Wind]

It is all down to his religious training at the hands of nuns and priests that still to this day believe and teach that the Jews killed God

That's not official Christian doctrine since we all know God sent Jesus to the cross. Ergo, God is responsible for Christ's death.

Not according to papal edict from the very first Pope, even the last Pope saying that this was no longer true the majority of Catholics still believe it.

The first Pope? That's over 1900 years ago, dear.

Disagreed a majority of Catholics still believe the Jews are responsible for the death of another Jew. For one thing, if they do believe it, then they can't really be Christians, can they? However, if you have evidence, I'd love to see it.

BTW, a few antisemitics don't speak for the majority.

 

[Phoenall]

It is all down to his religious training at the hands of nuns and priests that still to this day believe and teach that the Jews killed God

That's not official Christian doctrine since we all know God sent Jesus to the cross. Ergo, God is responsible for Christ's death.

Not according to papal edict from the very first Pope, even the last Pope saying that this was no longer true the majority of Catholics still believe it.

The first Pope? That's over 1900 years ago, dear.

Disagreed a majority of Catholics still believe the Jews are responsible for the death of another Jew. For one thing, if they do believe it, then they can't really be Christians, can they? However, if you have evidence, I'd love to see it.

BTW, a few antisemitics don't speak for the majority.

Then you haven't seen the many placards held by the extremists proclaiming Jews killed god.


Millions Still Believe ‘The Jews’ Killed Jesus


A newsletter from one of America’s most prestigious universities has revived the accusation. Here’s what the “anonymous” author, reportedly a Jewish convert to Christianity, wrote in Ichthus, the Harvard Christian undergraduate newsletter: “We, the Jews, collectively rejected God and hung Him up on a cross to die, and thus we deserved the punishments that were heaped on our heads over the last 2000 years.”

 

[Divine Wind]

It is all down to his religious training at the hands of nuns and priests that still to this day believe and teach that the Jews killed God

That's not official Christian doctrine since we all know God sent Jesus to the cross. Ergo, God is responsible for Christ's death.

Not according to papal edict from the very first Pope, even the last Pope saying that this was no longer true the majority of Catholics still believe it.

The first Pope? That's over 1900 years ago, dear.

Disagreed a majority of Catholics still believe the Jews are responsible for the death of another Jew. For one thing, if they do believe it, then they can't really be Christians, can they? However, if you have evidence, I'd love to see it.

BTW, a few antisemitics don't speak for the majority.

Then you haven't seen the many placards held by the extremists proclaiming Jews killed god.


Millions Still Believe ‘The Jews’ Killed Jesus


A newsletter from one of America’s most prestigious universities has revived the accusation. Here’s what the “anonymous” author, reportedly a Jewish convert to Christianity, wrote in Ichthus, the Harvard Christian undergraduate newsletter: “We, the Jews, collectively rejected God and hung Him up on a cross to die, and thus we deserved the punishments that were heaped on our heads over the last 2000 years.”

It appears you are as staunchly entrenched in your meme as those you accuse.

1) 26% is not a "majority".

2) Even if someone wrongly believed Jews are responsible for Christ's execution that doesn't mean such a belief translates into antisemitism.

3) Haters gonna hate, regardless of religion. IMHO, most haters latch onto a religion to express their hate, the religion doesn't make them hate.

FWIW: Belief That Jews Killed Jesus Is Held By Over A Quarter Of Americans, Reports ADL Survey On Anti-Semitism | Huffington Post
The Gospels try to make it seem like the Jews killed Jesus. The Gospel of Matthew flat out claims that the Jews requested that the blood of Jesus be placed on their heads and their children’s heads.

The Gospels were all written after the destruction of Jerusalem. A that time, Judaism had become a pariah of religion in the Roman empire, and so the gospels were primarily intended for a non-Jewish, Roman, audience. If you want to convince a Roman audience to accept Jesus, then you have to remove all blame from Rome for his death.

And so we see a steady progression from the first Gospel of Mark to the last Gospel of John, in which little by little, blame is removed from Rome and placed directly upon the Jews. This, of course, is totally unhistorical. The Jews under Roman Imperium had no power to influence capital punishment.

 

[Phoenall]

It is all down to his religious training at the hands of nuns and priests that still to this day believe and teach that the Jews killed God

That's not official Christian doctrine since we all know God sent Jesus to the cross. Ergo, God is responsible for Christ's death.

Not according to papal edict from the very first Pope, even the last Pope saying that this was no longer true the majority of Catholics still believe it.

The first Pope? That's over 1900 years ago, dear.

Disagreed a majority of Catholics still believe the Jews are responsible for the death of another Jew. For one thing, if they do believe it, then they can't really be Christians, can they? However, if you have evidence, I'd love to see it.

BTW, a few antisemitics don't speak for the majority.

Then you haven't seen the many placards held by the extremists proclaiming Jews killed god.


Millions Still Believe ‘The Jews’ Killed Jesus


A newsletter from one of America’s most prestigious universities has revived the accusation. Here’s what the “anonymous” author, reportedly a Jewish convert to Christianity, wrote in Ichthus, the Harvard Christian undergraduate newsletter: “We, the Jews, collectively rejected God and hung Him up on a cross to die, and thus we deserved the punishments that were heaped on our heads over the last 2000 years.”

It appears you are as staunchly entrenched in your meme as those you accuse.

1) 26% is not a "majority".

2) Even if someone wrongly believed Jews are responsible for Christ's execution that doesn't mean such a belief translates into antisemitism.

3) Haters gonna hate, regardless of religion. IMHO, most haters latch onto a religion to express their hate, the religion doesn't make them hate.

FWIW: Belief That Jews Killed Jesus Is Held By Over A Quarter Of Americans, Reports ADL Survey On Anti-Semitism | Huffington Post
The Gospels try to make it seem like the Jews killed Jesus. The Gospel of Matthew flat out claims that the Jews requested that the blood of Jesus be placed on their heads and their children’s heads.

The Gospels were all written after the destruction of Jerusalem. A that time, Judaism had become a pariah of religion in the Roman empire, and so the gospels were primarily intended for a non-Jewish, Roman, audience. If you want to convince a Roman audience to accept Jesus, then you have to remove all blame from Rome for his death.

And so we see a steady progression from the first Gospel of Mark to the last Gospel of John, in which little by little, blame is removed from Rome and placed directly upon the Jews. This, of course, is totally unhistorical. The Jews under Roman Imperium had no power to influence capital punishment.

I agree with all you say, but it galls me that the people on here who come over all holier than thou are worse than the people they are discriminating against. Making claims that they cant prove because they have been brainwashed with the propaganda of centuries passed down from father to son and so on. Then to use these teachings as the basis for their hatred and excuse for ethnically cleansing the world of those they see as a scourge. The Catholics have murdered as many Jews in the last 2000 years as the muslims have, if not more and all because of a Papal Bull issued at the start of Christianity and never lifted. Not one word of apology for all the dead Jews at the hands of the Catholics, not even acceptance of their crime of genocide during WW2 when they helped the Nazi's hide the evidence of the mass slaughter. Then they complain about the Jews and others not lifting a finger to help the 3rd world inhabitants but helping their own people instead, The richest organisation in the world, with ties to organised crime, prostitution, murder, drug dealing, people trafficking and any other criminal activity you can think of. And still followers of Catholicism put them on a pedestal and praise them as being holy and saintly, instead of denouncing them and turning them into pariah's and unwanted. The Catholic church is rotten from its core out and has very few if any true saints left

 

[Divine Wind]

I agree with all you say, but it galls me that the people on here who come over all holier than thou are worse than the people they are discriminating against. Making claims that they cant prove because they have been brainwashed with the propaganda of centuries passed down from father to son and so on. Then to use these teachings as the basis for their hatred and excuse for ethnically cleansing the world of those they see as a scourge. The Catholics have murdered as many Jews in the last 2000 years as the muslims have, if not more and all because of a Papal Bull issued at the start of Christianity and never lifted. Not one word of apology for all the dead Jews at the hands of the Catholics, not even acceptance of their crime of genocide during WW2 when they helped the Nazi's hide the evidence of the mass slaughter. Then they complain about the Jews and others not lifting a finger to help the 3rd world inhabitants but helping their own people instead, The richest organisation in the world, with ties to organised crime, prostitution, murder, drug dealing, people trafficking and any other criminal activity you can think of. And still followers of Catholicism put them on a pedestal and praise them as being holy and saintly, instead of denouncing them and turning them into pariah's and unwanted. The Catholic church is rotten from its core out and has very few if any true saints left

LOL. Can't disagree about the Holier-than-thou yet Hateful-as-Hell minority. They will cherry-pick whatever they like from history and forget/disregard what is inconvenient to their personal agenda.

The US is primarily Protestant. Not sure of your age, but when JFK ran for President, him being a "Papist" was a BFD. Except in a few enclaves like Boston or parts of NYC, non-Hispanic Catholics are rare. Among Hispanics, Judaism never comes up. They're more about Jesus and the Virgin Mary than passing judgment others.

 

[Roudy]

Yawn, Monte is back to his old antisemtic propaganda and discrediting what the state of Israel has achieved in such a short period of time. What else is new.

 

[montelatici]

Just facts. You are the purveyor of Zionist propaganda, that's all you know. You haven't had the ability to recognize fact.

 

[Phoenall]

Just facts. You are the purveyor of Zionist propaganda, that's all you know. You haven't had the ability to recognize fact.

SHUT UP FOOL

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

I'm not sure that you would recognize the reality of a political condition even if you were sitting on it.

No Jew hatred at all, just facts. You are the one that uses lies and propaganda to stoke your slobbering hate for the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

(COMMENT)

I don't think anyone in Israel or the Western World has any problem with Christians. I don't know why you keep bringing that up. Other than the general statistical probability that some crime is associated with people in a given population density and happen to be christians, there is no conflict I am aware of...

The Christians are a different sub-group than Islamic Radicals. They are not generally associated with Jihadists. While I'm not sure whether whether, in the modern day context, if you could number Christians among the Fedayeen (the religious "willing to sacrifice themselves for God"). I think we go back to the probability ask yourself: how many insurgents, terrorist, suicide bombers, and asymmetric resistance fighters have you heard of in the Middle East that were Christian??? I'm pretty sure that over the last century, there must have been such an example. But I'm reasonably sure that the number is probabilistically insignificant.

I cannot imagine WHY you consistently refer to them. I'm not even sure that in the last year, anyone in the discussion group, besides yourself even mentions them, except in passing. I know of no significant deadly threat by Radical Christians in Israel or any of the immediate adjacent countries.

Even in the US Extremist Christians is fairly uncommon. It is there, but generally we pay it no mind. The last big terrorist attack (that I can think of just now) by extremist Christians ("willing to sacrifice themselves for God") might be the Wisconsin Sikh Temple Massacre in 2012. The we just Islamophobes.

Most Respectfully,
R

Do you believe that the Palestinian Christians that were dispossessed by the Zionist Jews welcomed their dispossession? The Zionists dispossessed Christians as well as Muslims, that's what you ignore. You also ignore the fact that Palestinian Christian Freedom Fighters are jailed along with Muslim Palestinians. And, you obviously don't know who George Habash was.


Palestine through the eyes of the Christian Palestinian freedom Fighter & Hero Chris Bandak - one of the Palestinian releasead p

It is a shame that the few, remaining Christians in Islamist occupied Gaza'istan and the West Bank will soon be purged from those areas. That is always the fate of non-Islamists in areas controlled by the Peaceful Inner Strugglers.


Palestinian Christians | ICEJ International

Under siege and without protection, the Christian population under Palestinian rule has dwindled with each passing year. In October, 2007, after repeated threats, Rammi Ayyad was brutally murdered outside the only Christian Bookstore in Gaza. In 2008, a bomb was set off at one Christian school in Gaza, while at another, run by the Baptist Church, guards were assaulted and a bus hijacked.

Even though Hamas denies involvement in the attacks and claims that it is attempting to protect the small, ancient Christian community in Gaza, attacks on the 3,000 Christians residing there have increased since the Muslim terror militia came seized power.

So you link to a Christian Zionist propaganda site. Fake Christians.

 

[jillian]

As can be seen, the Zionists started using film propaganda early.

The myth of "Jews making the desert bloom", was based on a clip from this film. The beach sand dunes, with invaders standing around, were filmed with productive Christian and Muslim owned orchards just behind the photographer. This was what created the myth.

Most of the Zionist supporting morons here believe this myth and actually mention in their posts.

*snip jew haters video*

the rise of pro palestinian terrorist propaganda started with vanessa redgrave.

more importantly is that it's probably time for you to learn something about history.

*shrug*

 

[Divine Wind]

Just facts. You are the purveyor of Zionist propaganda, that's all you know. You haven't had the ability to recognize fact.

Nutjobs always feel like they are the only sane ones and everyone else is stupid or insane.

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

I'm not sure that you would recognize the reality of a political condition even if you were sitting on it.

No Jew hatred at all, just facts. You are the one that uses lies and propaganda to stoke your slobbering hate for the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

(COMMENT)

I don't think anyone in Israel or the Western World has any problem with Christians. I don't know why you keep bringing that up. Other than the general statistical probability that some crime is associated with people in a given population density and happen to be christians, there is no conflict I am aware of...

The Christians are a different sub-group than Islamic Radicals. They are not generally associated with Jihadists. While I'm not sure whether whether, in the modern day context, if you could number Christians among the Fedayeen (the religious "willing to sacrifice themselves for God"). I think we go back to the probability ask yourself: how many insurgents, terrorist, suicide bombers, and asymmetric resistance fighters have you heard of in the Middle East that were Christian??? I'm pretty sure that over the last century, there must have been such an example. But I'm reasonably sure that the number is probabilistically insignificant.

I cannot imagine WHY you consistently refer to them. I'm not even sure that in the last year, anyone in the discussion group, besides yourself even mentions them, except in passing. I know of no significant deadly threat by Radical Christians in Israel or any of the immediate adjacent countries.

Even in the US Extremist Christians is fairly uncommon. It is there, but generally we pay it no mind. The last big terrorist attack (that I can think of just now) by extremist Christians ("willing to sacrifice themselves for God") might be the Wisconsin Sikh Temple Massacre in 2012. The we just Islamophobes.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't think anyone in Israel or the Western World has any problem with Christians.​

Well they don't unless they are Palestinians. They are, for the most part, invisible. Israel just calls them Arabs. Israel treats Christians and Muslims equally because they are equally not Jews. Israel only mentions the Christians in Israel to brag about how they are better off in Israel than in some Muslim countries. However, Israel fails to mention that these Christians have been dispossessed from their land and live as second class (non Jewish) citizens.

About 35% of Palestinian Christians became refugees in 1948. Israel continues to dispossess Christians in the West Bank by steeling their land trashing their economic survival. You don't realize that the Christian population was centered around Jerusalem and Bethlehem. Many of the villages in that area are/were Christian. The mass Israeli colonization in that area meant that the Christians had to go.

Palestinian Christians dispossessed from their land in Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

I'm not sure that you would recognize the reality of a political condition even if you were sitting on it.

No Jew hatred at all, just facts. You are the one that uses lies and propaganda to stoke your slobbering hate for the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

(COMMENT)

I don't think anyone in Israel or the Western World has any problem with Christians. I don't know why you keep bringing that up. Other than the general statistical probability that some crime is associated with people in a given population density and happen to be christians, there is no conflict I am aware of...

The Christians are a different sub-group than Islamic Radicals. They are not generally associated with Jihadists. While I'm not sure whether whether, in the modern day context, if you could number Christians among the Fedayeen (the religious "willing to sacrifice themselves for God"). I think we go back to the probability ask yourself: how many insurgents, terrorist, suicide bombers, and asymmetric resistance fighters have you heard of in the Middle East that were Christian??? I'm pretty sure that over the last century, there must have been such an example. But I'm reasonably sure that the number is probabilistically insignificant.

I cannot imagine WHY you consistently refer to them. I'm not even sure that in the last year, anyone in the discussion group, besides yourself even mentions them, except in passing. I know of no significant deadly threat by Radical Christians in Israel or any of the immediate adjacent countries.

Even in the US Extremist Christians is fairly uncommon. It is there, but generally we pay it no mind. The last big terrorist attack (that I can think of just now) by extremist Christians ("willing to sacrifice themselves for God") might be the Wisconsin Sikh Temple Massacre in 2012. The we just Islamophobes.

Most Respectfully,
R

Do you believe that the Palestinian Christians that were dispossessed by the Zionist Jews welcomed their dispossession? The Zionists dispossessed Christians as well as Muslims, that's what you ignore. You also ignore the fact that Palestinian Christian Freedom Fighters are jailed along with Muslim Palestinians. And, you obviously don't know who George Habash was.


Palestine through the eyes of the Christian Palestinian freedom Fighter & Hero Chris Bandak - one of the Palestinian releasead p

It is a shame that the few, remaining Christians in Islamist occupied Gaza'istan and the West Bank will soon be purged from those areas. That is always the fate of non-Islamists in areas controlled by the Peaceful Inner Strugglers.


Palestinian Christians | ICEJ International

Under siege and without protection, the Christian population under Palestinian rule has dwindled with each passing year. In October, 2007, after repeated threats, Rammi Ayyad was brutally murdered outside the only Christian Bookstore in Gaza. In 2008, a bomb was set off at one Christian school in Gaza, while at another, run by the Baptist Church, guards were assaulted and a bus hijacked.

Even though Hamas denies involvement in the attacks and claims that it is attempting to protect the small, ancient Christian community in Gaza, attacks on the 3,000 Christians residing there have increased since the Muslim terror militia came seized power.

So you link to a Christian Zionist propaganda site. Fake Christians.

Proof that it is fake as your word is worthless after the thousands of lies you have spread on here.

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

I'm not sure that you would recognize the reality of a political condition even if you were sitting on it.

No Jew hatred at all, just facts. You are the one that uses lies and propaganda to stoke your slobbering hate for the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

(COMMENT)

I don't think anyone in Israel or the Western World has any problem with Christians. I don't know why you keep bringing that up. Other than the general statistical probability that some crime is associated with people in a given population density and happen to be christians, there is no conflict I am aware of...

The Christians are a different sub-group than Islamic Radicals. They are not generally associated with Jihadists. While I'm not sure whether whether, in the modern day context, if you could number Christians among the Fedayeen (the religious "willing to sacrifice themselves for God"). I think we go back to the probability ask yourself: how many insurgents, terrorist, suicide bombers, and asymmetric resistance fighters have you heard of in the Middle East that were Christian??? I'm pretty sure that over the last century, there must have been such an example. But I'm reasonably sure that the number is probabilistically insignificant.

I cannot imagine WHY you consistently refer to them. I'm not even sure that in the last year, anyone in the discussion group, besides yourself even mentions them, except in passing. I know of no significant deadly threat by Radical Christians in Israel or any of the immediate adjacent countries.

Even in the US Extremist Christians is fairly uncommon. It is there, but generally we pay it no mind. The last big terrorist attack (that I can think of just now) by extremist Christians ("willing to sacrifice themselves for God") might be the Wisconsin Sikh Temple Massacre in 2012. The we just Islamophobes.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't think anyone in Israel or the Western World has any problem with Christians.​

Well they don't unless they are Palestinians. They are, for the most part, invisible. Israel just calls them Arabs. Israel treats Christians and Muslims equally because they are equally not Jews. Israel only mentions the Christians in Israel to brag about how they are better off in Israel than in some Muslim countries. However, Israel fails to mention that these Christians have been dispossessed from their land and live as second class (non Jewish) citizens.

About 35% of Palestinian Christians became refugees in 1948. Israel continues to dispossess Christians in the West Bank by steeling their land trashing their economic survival. You don't realize that the Christian population was centered around Jerusalem and Bethlehem. Many of the villages in that area are/were Christian. The mass Israeli colonization in that area meant that the Christians had to go.

Palestinian Christians dispossessed from their land in Israel.

Claims that you refuse to substantiate are just LIES, so why are you constantly LYING.

Under Israeli law Israeli Christian citizens have the self same rights as arab muslim Israeli citizens and Jewish Israeli citizens.

Your one example ends part way through the truth as the Christians were given back their homes and lands by the Israeli courts on production of valid land title dated before 1948