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The birth of Zionist propaganda on film
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Nice dodge™
Divine Wind
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Translation: You're correct, DW. I got nothing. Well nothing except this -
If you are guilty of supporting terrorists, I hope the law deals with you accordingly.
P F Tinmore
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my uncle's Moe, Larry, Curly and Shemp were all Jews.Translation: You're correct, DW. I got nothing. Well nothing except this -, my uncle's Moe, Larry, Curly and Shemp.
If you are guilty of supporting terrorists, I hope the law deals with you accordingly.
Divine Wind
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Note the irony of an antisemitic having Jewish uncles. Good luck with your terrorist network
#jihad, #DeathtoAmerica
In the end, I suspect you're too much of a coward to do anything but cheer the suicide bombers and send money to their families. Again, I hope the law deals with you antisemitic terrorist supporters in the most harshest terms.
Israel occupies Palestine. Israel is a settler colonial project.Sure. If you try to communicate effectively, I'll try to keep up.
Just so we're clear, do you support Israel's right to exist? Condemn Islamic attacks on Israel? Have no feelings about "Zionism"?
What you call palestine was given to the Jews as their National Home in 1922, so how can Israeloccupy what is theirs under international law
ONCE AGAIN YOU DENY THE JEWS THEIR RIGHTS FREE DETERMINATION, THEIR NATION, FREEDOM AND SAFETY
You need to read the LoN mandate of Palestine, the Treaty of Sevres, the Treaty of Lausanne, the international laws granting land to the Jews and the arab muslims, the UN charter and UN resolution 181. All these overturn your interpretation of the UN armistice agreements, and set the record straight that palestine is a mandate and not a nation
P F Tinmore
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I have read all of those. None of them gave any land to Israel. Israel occupies Palestine.
How is Israel occupying a place you have invented, a "country" you have invented which you call "Pal'istan"?
Shusha
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Let's assume you are right. (You're not, but let's just pretend).
Why can't the Jewish people, as the nation of Israel, secede from Greater Palestine?
RoccoR
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P F Tinmore, Shusha, et al,
You still do not get it... If I've explained it once, I bet I said it a thousand times.
The reason that P F Tinmore cannot find any document that "gave any land to Israel" is because --- quite frankly --- in this case the the sovereignty and independence (1948) was acquired by declaration; not a sale, purchase, or real estate deal.
•• Declarative Theory under Westphalia Terms.
•• Declarative theory of statehood defines a state as a person in international law.
•• Political Theory in the Declaration of Independence.
The reason why Israel cannot secede from Palestine is because at the termination of the Mandate, the Successor Government was the UN Palestine Commission. The in conjunction with the UNPC, completion -- to the extent possible and not interfered with by the Arab League --- the UN adopted Steps Preparatory to Independence. The independence was announced and acknowledged. Recognition by the Arab Palestinians is not required. The Arab League and Arab Higher Committee rejected all offered attempts at the inclusion of the Arab Palestinians in the self-governing processes.
The Jewish State of Israel exercised the right of self-determination. It established sovereignty, and defended that sovereignty by Arab League Intruders in contravention with Chapter I of the Charter.
• All Peoples (including Israel) have the Right of Determination...
• All Peoples (including Israel) have the Right to be free of Arab League and Arab Palestine aggression.
Most Respectfully,
R
You still do not get it... If I've explained it once, I bet I said it a thousand times.
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The reason that P F Tinmore cannot find any document that "gave any land to Israel" is because --- quite frankly --- in this case the the sovereignty and independence (1948) was acquired by declaration; not a sale, purchase, or real estate deal.
•• Declarative Theory under Westphalia Terms.
•• Declarative theory of statehood defines a state as a person in international law.
•• Political Theory in the Declaration of Independence.
The reason why Israel cannot secede from Palestine is because at the termination of the Mandate, the Successor Government was the UN Palestine Commission. The in conjunction with the UNPC, completion -- to the extent possible and not interfered with by the Arab League --- the UN adopted Steps Preparatory to Independence. The independence was announced and acknowledged. Recognition by the Arab Palestinians is not required. The Arab League and Arab Higher Committee rejected all offered attempts at the inclusion of the Arab Palestinians in the self-governing processes.
The Jewish State of Israel exercised the right of self-determination. It established sovereignty, and defended that sovereignty by Arab League Intruders in contravention with Chapter I of the Charter.
• All Peoples (including Israel) have the Right of Determination...
• All Peoples (including Israel) have the Right to be free of Arab League and Arab Palestine aggression.
Most Respectfully,
R
P F Tinmore
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The reason that P F Tinmore cannot find any document that "gave any land to Israel" is because --- quite frankly --- in this case the the sovereignty and independence (1948) was acquired by declaration; not a sale, purchase, or real estate deal.
--------------------------------By contrast, the declarative theory of statehood defines a state as a person in international law if it meets the following criteria: 1) a defined territory; 2) a permanent population; 3) a government and 4) a capacity to enter into relations with other states. According to declarative theory, an entity's statehood is independent of its recognition by other states. The declarative model was most famously expressed in the 1933 Montevideo Convention.[25]
Article 3 of the Montevideo Convention declares that political statehood is independent of recognition by other states, and the state is not prohibited from defending itself.
Article 3 of the Montevideo Convention declares that political statehood is independent of recognition by other states, and the state is not prohibited from defending itself.
There are several problems with the creation of Israel. The most glaring is that Israel has never had a defined territory. It has no land or borders. Israel occupies Palestine as the foundation of its settler colonialism.
The Palestinians have never surrendered, ceded land, or recognized Israel.
The government of Israel was created in the direct opposition of the vast majority of the people.
Thomas Jefferson also used Rousseau’s social contract theory to justify his assertion of independence. Jefferson stated, “Governments are instituted… deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed” (Declaration of Independence). The idea of consent stems from Rousseau’s On the Social Contract. He stated that this contract was a “reciprocal commitment” (Rousseau 433) between people in a society and the government they create. He believed a “social compact” (Rousseau 432) was needed to form a government in which people gave consent to the government being formed.
Note: from your links.
Shusha
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On the contrary, some of the Palestinians have exercised their right to self-determination and self-recognition, formed a government, were recognized internationally and established areas of control - both through practical measures and through treaties with other States.
Then you are a LIAR as they very plainly state that this parcel of land is the Jewish National Home. They also state that this parcel of land is trans Jordan for the arab muslim national home, this parcel of land is Syria, this parcel of land is Iraq and this parcel of land is Iran.
It starts with the treaty of Sevres that passes soveriegnty and ownership to the LoN from the Ottomans. Then the treaty of Lausanne ratified the treaty of Sevrers and accepted the idea of the Jewish National home. The many LoN meettings where arab muslim representatives were invited to take part that agreed that the only fair way to deal with the situation was to partition palestine so that it was not wholly muslim or Jew. The UN charter gives the Jews the right to the land allocated under international law as the National home of the Jews, and entered it as part of the UN charter.
ALL YOU HAVE IS A PAPER WRITTEN BY A LIAR AND ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDIST WHERE HE ALTERS THE WORDS OF TREATIES AND INTERNATIONAL LAWS TO SHOW THAT THE LAND WAS A PALESTINIAN STATE BEFORE IT WAS THE JEWISH NATIONAL HOME. IN OTHER WORD YOU HAVE NOTHING AT ALL OTHER THAN YOUR JEW HATRED AND YOUR DENIAL OF JEWISH RIGHTS
And they are called Jordan that was once part of the original mandate of palestine. but the likes of tinny deny that Jordan was ever palestine
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