- Nov 14, 2011
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LOLIt was clear to you because you're an idiot and a Trump fluffer. So most anything he says sounds good to you. He didn't say what you claim he meant; so all we can go by is what he said. And despite your hallucination that he was clear, he wasn't, as evidenced by him making another appearance to clear up what he said. He wouldn't have had to do that had he actually been clear. Then he put his foot in his mouth again, because he wasn't clear and had to come out a 3rd time.Whereas you are retarded and you're not pretending. Third time I'm saying this... he condemned some, he didn't condemn all. He didn't condemn the Proud Boys nor did he condemn neo-Confederates.I just said he condemned some. But he didn't condemn all. Some of them he called, "very fine people."That's right, not all those people were neo-Nazis. Some were neo-Confederates. Some were Kkk. Some were white nationalists. Some were white supremacists. He did condemn some. He didn't condemn them all. And there was no one else there among the Unite the Right crowd. It was a racist rally and stupid of him to say there were "very fine people" on their side.Nope, you're the liar. It was a racist rally conceived, sponsored, promoted, ran, and attended by racists. Trump never once indicated he believed otherwise or thought there were non-racists among that crowd.For 4 years Trump said horrible things and the next day every time Correll would come here and tell us what he meant was....."His meaning was clear."Yes, he condemned many different groups but not all of them. He supports many hate groups, including the Proud Boys who he told to stand by; which they did for him until Insurrection Day.It's what he said, loser. You're the one trying to read his mind by guessing he believed there were non-racists there; but he never said that's what he believes. That you saying g that's what he believes. It's too bad he didn't say that himself.Yes, you also had neo-confederates and kkk and other assorted racists. So that's who was "very fine people."ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.
I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.
I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.
That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.
"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"
Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:
"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."
"And the election is thus not legitimate."
I completely disagree.
DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?
I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.
Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"
Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.
"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.
Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"
Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."
Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."
Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."
Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"
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And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.
That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.
That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.
That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.
Crocodile tears. Both sides do it. Recall the "You didn't build that" campaign.
So, you admit it was a political lie. THank you.
Your lie though was massively successful. I can think of nothing more damaging in this day and age, as being smeared with the ws label.
And by that fact, you undermined the election.
FRAUD BY DECPETION.
Well that is was the Republican tactic, completely lie about the context of what was said, whereas the part of the Trumpyberra quote they emphasized was half true in that the Grumpster was trying to equivocate and satisfy both sides.
Romney gained ground back in 2012 after they used that attack ad campaign too. Furthermore the Trumpybear campaign embraced a very deceptive campaign against Sec. Clinton in 2016.
Sounds like you guys can dish it out alright, but when the tables are turned, you cry "Fraud"!
THe point stands. THe voters were misled on a massive scale.
AND, as per the op, also intimidated.
Thus, not a legitimate election.
Not in the slightest bit true. Trump is most definitely a white supremacist, and Charlottesville was the first time he dropped the mask after the election. ...
From the speech you people lied about then and are still lying now.
"And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists."
That is what he actually said about ws.
If the American people were told what Trump really said, instead of what you people believe he meant, it could very likely have changed the outcome of the election.
If you people had attacked him, on the basis of your DISAGREEMENT with his opinion of who was at the rally, that would have been a legitimate disagreement, that we could debate ad nauseum.
BUT, instead you pretended that he AGREED with you, that only ws of various stripes were there, on the side of the statues, and then you clearly and purposefully LIED ABOUT WHAT HE SAID,
in order to support your belief that Trump was a ws.
That was a massive lie, that you held together as a group, and thus sold to the American voters.
By and large, the American voters believe(d) that Trump is/was sympathetic towards ws.
That BY itself would have a HUGE impact on the election, quite possibly changing it's outcome.
Thus, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.
AND, as per the op, it was not by itself.
i quoted him repeatedly, and explicitly stating that he was not referring to the ws.
That bit where you keep tryhing to conflate ws with wacist? We all see what you are doing. Knock that bullshit off.
"Those people -- all of those people – excuse me, I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch."
You are being silly now. His meaning was clear. He was condemning the ws groups but sticking up for regular people who supported the historical statues.
And you people, instead of voicing your disagreement with his take on it,
LIED ABOUT WHAT HE SAID, AND CLAIMED HE WAS BEING SUPPORTIVE OF WS.
How many people do you think voted against Trump because they believed that he was a WS?
Translation: you're trying to read his mind
Thanks for finally admitting that.
His general style is to ramble and jump around and be unclear. It invites discussion on his meaning.
IN THIS INSTANCE, he was very careful and very clear. His response was almost perfect. We have complete tapes and transcripts of everything he said. There is no doubt about what he said, or what he meant.
IN THIS INSTANCE, you people are just lying.
Trump explicitly and clearly stated that he believed that there were OTHER people there, who should up for OTHER reasons.
"excuse me, I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee." "
You people managed to sell the BIG LIE to the American People, the moderates and the non-politicals at least, that the President was a ws.
That was huge. That could likely have flipped the election right there. That was FRAUD BY DECPTION.
Now you are being purposefully stupid. He specifically mentioned neo-nazis and ws. His meaning was clear. He was lumping those types together and referring to them as a general grouping,
as distinct from normal, mainstream Americans who are not members of the fringe, but did show up to support historical statues.
And that you believe that there was "no one else there" is irrelevant. It is clear that Trump believed otherwise.
I like it when you pretend to be too retarded to get a point. It makes you look retarded.
My point stands. Trump was not referring to ws when he said that, and you people lied to the American people about what he said, telling them he said teh exact opposite of what he said.
It was a huge lie, big enough to flip an election.
Thus, the election is not legitimate.
FRAUD BY DECEPTION.
So that's who he thinks are "very fine people."
Nope. It was clear from his speech that he was condemning all the ws types, as a category.
You are using your pretense of being retarded to support your lie, that he said ws are "very fine people".
Because you know that my point is correct.
Such a vile lie, could have easily swung the election. Thus, the election is not legitimate.
FRAUD BY DECEPTION.
Your nitpicking is absurd. He was completely clear. You people are just lyign the BIG LIE.
It's not nitpicking, ya dumbfuck. You keep stating how he was near perfect (which is Trump lingo) and how he was clear. That's obvious delusion on your part as evidenced by him having to make three trips in front of the cameras in 4 days just to clarify himself.
No one is buying your bullshit. He said what he said. That's why it hurt his character. It wasn't the news that hurt him -- it was his own words which exposed who he is.