Zone1 The Best Evidence For The Resurrection

[ChristisKing]

So a pregnant teen claimed she never had sex because an angel told her

Yes, because it's the truth.

 

[Robert W]

Yes, because it's the truth.

Using Democrats logic, if men can gret pregnant, per them, why can't a virgin get pregnant?

 

[ChristisKing]

Using Democrats logic, if men can gret pregnant, per them, why can't a virgin get pregnant?

I'm not a Democrat though and I'm just saying how it happened in the Bible.

 

[ding]

Self fulfilling fantasy

Christianity is built on two events that are easily explainable

The relationship between mind and matter and the primacy of mind was contemplated by world renowned physicists decades ago. It's not a self fulfilling fantasy. It's science. More recently the concept has been progressed by John Wheeler who coined the phrase "it from bit." Reality is stranger than we can imagine. There is a non-zero probability that we exist in a reality which presents itself as a hologram when it is being observed. The three-dimensional reality we experience could mathematically be a projection from a two-dimensional surface encoded with information. This doesn't mean our reality is a fake simulation running on an artificial hard drive. A holographic projection is still physically real; it just operates on different, deeper mechanics. Like I said, reality is stranger than we can imagine. As near as I can tell mind and matter are intricately linked. A growing theory in theoretical physics and philosophy suggests that consciousness (the "mind" aspect) is not just a byproduct of highly evolved brains, but a fundamental property of matter itself. Under this view, all matter possesses some basic level of experiential reality, which scales up in complexity depending on the physical structure. Feel free to scoff at science the way you scoff at religion. It's only going to show your ignorance and small mindedness.

 

[BreezeWood]

The thing is it's not that far fetched ...

from diapers to potty trained ... you really believe the creator of the universe would do that - what about mary were they being deceived by what you worship.

far fetched can barley cover the consequences of your phony religion from beginning to end ...

stop using jesus as though they would have anything to do with your draconian 4th century make believe (christian) religion.

- they gave their life than to give credence to the jews and their false accusations. liberation theology not stone throwing is what they died for no where found in any of the desert bibles.

 

[BreezeWood]

Yes, because it's the truth.

few and far between in the 4th century christian bible is the truth.

mary did not fear moses or judaism and did as she pleased - the heavens took notice and sent the magi to protect her from the stone throwing jews.

 

[Hypatia415]

And yet the first Christians who were Jews began worshipping Jesus as God immediately after he rose from the dead. You can quibble as much as you like but it all makes sense. They didn't worship Jesus as God for no good reason. The resurrection of Christ is central to the foundation of Christianity and it began right after he rose from the dead which is what the evidence shows.

The followers of Jesus of Nazareth were, like him, observant Jews. Why would observant Jews break the first two commandments?

 

[Hypatia415]

OK ........

Where do we disagree?

Claming to be god was not blasphemy. At the most the individual would have been considered mad, probably been given a beating, and then sent home to be cared for by their family.

 

[Hypatia415]

Red herring. Not relevant to the timeline of when Jesus was first worshipped as God. It doesn't matter if there were different views. They had a hard time reconciling what they were witnessing. The resurrection is what clarified their beliefs. You are looking for ways to dismiss the evidence rather than following the evidence.

The history of the Christian religion is hardly a "Red herring" in this matter. However, your posts have demonstrated that you are remarkably uninformed on that very complex topic.

 

[Hypatia415]

So what? You believe that was unusual? It wasn't. What exactly are you disputing? It's evidence.

The point being the distance in time. And the references in those later texts are a mere handful of scattered and somewhat ambiguous passages that some have suggested indicate a hostile and/or polemical allusions to early Christians and the figure of Jesus of Nazareth. However, scholars disagree as to whether those various passages are reliably describing a historical figure or are merely reflecting later Jewish responses to a burgeoning and rival religion.

 

[rightwinger]

The relationship between mind and matter and the primacy of mind was contemplated by world renowned physicists decades ago. It's not a self fulfilling fantasy. It's science. More recently the concept has been progressed by John Wheeler who coined the phrase "it from bit." Reality is stranger than we can imagine. There is a non-zero probability that we exist in a reality which presents itself as a hologram when it is being observed. The three-dimensional reality we experience could mathematically be a projection from a two-dimensional surface encoded with information. This doesn't mean our reality is a fake simulation running on an artificial hard drive. A holographic projection is still physically real; it just operates on different, deeper mechanics. Like I said, reality is stranger than we can imagine. As near as I can tell mind and matter are intricately linked. A growing theory in theoretical physics and philosophy suggests that consciousness (the "mind" aspect) is not just a byproduct of highly evolved brains, but a fundamental property of matter itself. Under this view, all matter possesses some basic level of experiential reality, which scales up in complexity depending on the physical structure. Feel free to scoff at science the way you scoff at religion. It's only going to show your ignorance and small mindedness.

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[Hypatia415]

Yes, because it's the truth.

No it is not "the truth". The LXX mistranslated the Hebrew into the Greek parthenos.

There is a Hebrew word for virgin and that is bethulah however, that word was not used by the writer of that part of Isaiah who was referring to a then contemporary political situation being alleviated through a divine portent i.e. the sign of Immanuel (in Hebrew God is with us)

The Hebrew bible has narratives concerning various miraculous births but those are births to women considered to be either barren or beyond child bearing age and in those narratives the pregnancies were instituted by divine intervention.

There were also various definitions with Second Temple Judaism of what constituted a "virgin" and those included women who were considered to be so up to the commencement of menstruation.

 

[Meriweather]

A proven hoax
The rectangular cloth features imprints of a man—front and back—with injuries consistent with crucifixion, as well as numerous stains. Some individuals believe the man is Jesus of Nazareth, and the stains are his blood. But radiocarbon dating suggests the shroud was made sometime between 1260 and 1390—more than a millennium after Jesus was said to have been crucified.

Try reading the updates on what was discovered about the medieval dates--and what has been discovered since. That report is behind the times.

 

[Hypatia415]

The Shroud of Turin is proof of Jesus' resurrection.

Oh heavens not this again! The documented history of this artefact only goes back to the late fourteenth century.

How the image was created is of far more interest.

 

[Lockback]

Oh heavens not this again! The documented history of this item only goes back to the late fourteenth century.

How the image was created is of far more interest.

We know how it was created. It's called "the resurrection".

 

[Hypatia415]

We know how it was created. It's called "the resurrection".

No it is not.

 

[Lockback]

No it is not.

What is it then, non-believing genius?

 

[Hypatia415]

What is it then, non-believing genius?

It is a very clever fraud.

Go the Schatzkammer in Vienna and you can see the alleged grail, the spear of Longinus, one of the numerous kerchiefs of Veronica, the forearm of St Anne, a tooth from John the Baptist, parts of the child Jesus' swaddling bands, and even a thorn from the crown complete with blood stain.

Do you believe all those are genuine?

 

[Lockback]

It is a very clever fraud.

Go the Schatzkammer in Vienna and you can see the alleged grail, the spear of Longinus, one of the numerous kerchiefs of Veronica, the forearm of St Anne, a tooth from John the Baptist, parts of the child Jesus' swaddling bands, and even a thorn from the crown complete with blood stain.

Do you believe all those are genuine?

I don't know them.
But the image on the shroud cannot be explained by any science. It's not painted on. It's been studied for decades and there is no scientific answer other than a spontaneous burst of energy that left a 3D image on the cloth.
If it was a clever forgery from the 1400s, they had no access to x-rays at that time and yet the image is essentially an x-ray.

 

[rightwinger]

Try reading the updates on what was discovered about the medieval dates--and what has been discovered since. That report is behind the times.

A 15 th century hoax