Zone1 The Best Evidence For The Resurrection

[GLASNOST]

Claming to be god was not blasphemy. .

Of course it was. It still is.

 

[Meriweather]

A 15 th century hoax

Shrug. You elect to remain in the past. There have been updates, easily checked both with Google and AI....if you are interested. What's that movie shout that may pertain here? Hmmm. You can't handle the truth?

 

[Lockback]

Shrug. You elect to remain in the past. There have been updates, easily checked both with Google and AI....if you are interested. What's that movie shout that may pertain here? Hmmm. You can't handle the truth?

He's never cared about the truth.

 

[BreezeWood]

We know how it was created. It's called "the resurrection".

the shroud proves they were deceased - its conformity would have been lost if not shredded were who was inside removed the covering themselves, as well ...

The Face Cloth (Sudarium): The Shroud image shows the face. Some believers theorize this cloth may have been the main burial shroud, while others point to John's gospel which notes Jesus' face was wrapped in a separate cloth.

were they resurrected why leave for heaven the true drama would have been reaming on earth being recaptured by the romans and from there be remembered with certainty they either recovered or were immortal and could not be killed again.

 

[SweetSue92]

The followers of Jesus of Nazareth were, like him, observant Jews. Why would observant Jews break the first two commandments?

Well....they must have witnessed something truly remarkable, eh? That made them believe that what Jesus had been trying to tell them was true.

 

[Hypatia415]

I don't know them.
But the image on the shroud cannot be explained by any science. .

It can be and has been.

Radiocarbon testing, analysis of the blood stains (which show a blood type that originated at a much later date) along with fragments of plants and rock from Palestine suggest the artefact was likely created there, as were other relics between the late thirteenth and late fourteenth centuries.

However, every one of those tests and their findings has been challenged by those who allege this artefact must have its origins in the early first century and that it was created possibly through a burst of radiation that prefigured the supposed resurrection.

 

[rightwinger]

He's never cared about the truth.

You cant handle the truth

 

[Hypatia415]

Well....they must have witnessed something truly remarkable, eh? That made them believe that what Jesus had been trying to tell them was true.

It is not uncommon for the bereaved to imagine seeing their recently departed loved one in particular situations.

 

[Hypatia415]

Of course it was. It still is.

Not within Judaism in the early first century. I do not think it is considered blasphemy now within Judaism as it is reviling the deity that is considered blasphemous. From the Mishnah Sanhedrin 7.5 which is the first collection of the Oral Torah.

One who blasphemes, i.e., one who curses God, is not liable unless he utters the name of God and curses it.

The phenomenon of believing oneself to be Jesus/God/the Messiah occurs within the psychological disorder known as Jerusalem Syndrome. Those suffering from it are given psychiatric assistance from Israeli professionals. They are not stoned to death.

 

[GLASNOST]

Claming to be god was not blasphemy. At the most the individual would have been considered mad, probably been given a beating, and then sent home to be cared for by their family.

Of course it was. It still is.

Not within Judaism in the early first century. .

Are we talking about G_d or ain't we?

 

[Hypatia415]

Are we talking about G_d or ain't we?

See my above reply to you.

 

[alang1216]

As I am to you. What do you suppose that is supposed to mean? That talking to me proves you are tolerant of religious beliefs? That may be true for certain religions but not Christianity. And it's not so much Christianity as it is Christians in general. You are like a more polite version of Hobelim and Breezewood but that still does not make you tolerant of Christians. The reality is your bias stems more from politics than anything else. You would be better served being curious rather than judgmental.

You have a very black and white viewpoint. If I'm not pro-Christianity I must be anti-Christianity? I don't think I've ever said anything about Christianity that Christians have not already said.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[GLASNOST]

See my above reply to you.

You just don't get it, do you. Using God's name is enough to be considered blasphemous.

 

[Hypatia415]

You just don't get it, do you.

I have cited text from the Mishnah and referred to Jerusalem Syndrome.

In Judaism it is reviling or cursing the deity that is blasphemous not claiming to be it.

Using God's name is enough to be considered blasphemous.

Not unless you are cursing or reviling the deity. However, the tetragrammaton is not used. Some Jews even write omit the "o" from God when writing in English.

I would also point out again that were the crimes of Jesus of Nazareth entirely religious he would have been stoned to death.

 

[ding]

you really believe the creator of the universe would do that

Absolutely. So that when people like you question the unfairness, he can say I paid that debt already.

 

[SweetSue92]

It is not uncommon for the bereaved to imagine seeing their recently departed loved one in particular situations.

It is highly uncommon for so many men and women to see them that their contemporaries could not counter their accounts effectively. AND then, for that number of people to go on to die horrid deaths for their testimony.

IOW

Even if I thought I saw my grandfather after he passed, I'm very unlikely to be willing to DIE for that testimony. Why would I?

Why would anyone, let alone dozens of eyewitnesses?

 

[ding]

The followers of Jesus of Nazareth were, like him, observant Jews. Why would observant Jews break the first two commandments?

Paul answers this question. The short answer it's because Paul believed Jesus rose from the dead (knowing that in the Lord your labor is not in vain). The doctrine of the resurrection is central to Christianity – so much so that St. Paul states:

If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead… Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied (1Cor 15:13-15,18-19).

It is truly extraordinary that Paul made the claim that if there is no resurrection from the dead, that the faith of believers is useless and that all who have died in Christ have died in their sins. Paul knows that if he is lying, he and the other disciples have jeopardized the salvation of the whole Christian community, and furthermore he emerges as a false witness (a perjurer) before God, and is answerable to Him. The consequences of lying to (or even deceiving) believers about the resurrection cannot be overstated, because the resurrection is the foundation of Jesus’ claim to be the exclusive Son of God – and the unconditional love of God with us.

 

[ding]

Claming to be god was not blasphemy.

In traditional Judaism, claiming to be equal to God is strictly prohibited. Judaism is based on absolute monotheism, meaning there is only one God, and God has no equal, no partner, and no physical form. Elevating any human, angel, or physical object to the level of the Creator is viewed as idolatry, which is considered one of the gravest sins in Judaism. In Jewish law, blasphemy generally involves reviling God, cursing His Name, or acting in a way that actively desecrates His reputation. The formal death penalty applies to one who explicitly curses the Name of God (Leviticus 24:16). Claiming to be God's equal is fundamentally seen as a denial of God's unique majesty and an act of extreme arrogance. The core declaration of Jewish faith is the Shema ("Hear O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one"). Judaism strictly rejects any polytheistic or bi-theistic concepts where a man or a demigod could share the exact same divine status as the Creator. Judaism teaches that humans are made in the image of God but are entirely separate from Him. A human claiming to share the divine essence, power, or equality with God violates the foundational teachings of the Ten Commandments.

 

[ding]

The history of the Christian religion is hardly a "Red herring" in this matter. However, your posts have demonstrated that you are remarkably uninformed on that very complex topic.

That some did not worship Jesus as God is a red herring. Christianity began by the ones that did. And most importantly, they started doing so immediately after Christ rose from the dead because it was the resurrection that convinced them of the divinity of Christ. Arguing that different sects had different beliefs does not negate the history of when Jesus was first worshipped as God. So yeah, it's a red herring with respect to when that belief was first accepted.