Zone1 The Best Evidence For The Resurrection

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That's all the bible is. Nothing more than that.

How do you explain how, when and why people started worshipping Jesus as God?

 

[Hypatia415]

What you are failing to understand is that the gospels explain how, when and why people started worshipping Jesus as God. And that the accounts of the gospels are corroborated by non-Christian historians and Jewish texts. But most importantly you have failed to offer any credible explanation for how it came to be that people began worshipping Jesus as God. You can't say when they began worshipping Jesus as God. You can't say why people began worshipping Jesus as God. And assuming your explanation doesn't match the gospels, you can't say why the gospels say what they say if they are wrong.

The gospels do no such thing. If Jesus believed himself to be divine then according to chapter ten of Mark's gospel he had the perfect opportunity to declare that to be the case.

17;As he was setting out on a journey, a man ran up and knelt before him and asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 18; "Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.

I have given you some very brief information concerning the development of your religion and what different Christian groups believed in those first two and a half centuries.

How did the religious practices of the primitive church relate to those of Jesus and his Palestinian co-religionists? The short answer is that they were identical in substance. At the start, all the members of the Jesus confraternity were Jews, and they continued their traditional Jewish way of life, cultic practice included. [See G. Vermes, Christian Beginnings From Nazareth to Nicaea, YUP, 2013, pp. 62-63]


Imagine one of the earliest apostles, Paul say, having a Rip-Van-Winkle-type sleep for four centuries. Imagine him then awakening in the fifth century and entering into the life of the church of that century. Would he be astonished at all the changes and developments in doctrine and in practice? Would he undergo a profound sense of spiritual culture shock? Would he recognize the Christianity of the fifth century as very similar to his Christianity of the first century? Where a major difference or development had occurred, would he sense an essential connectedness between the two forms of Christianity? Would he feel that fifth-century Christianity was a richer form of his own Christianity or would he feel that somehow Christianity had lost its way? These questions indicate that although Christianity changed little by little, cumulatively the changes over four centuries or more were in some aspects indeed profound. [See L Guy, Introducing Early Christianity. A Topical Survey of Its Life, Belief, and Practices, IVP Academic, 2004, chapter one]

 

[Bad Bob]

oh, prey tell ... christian (jew).

the magi were sent by the heavens to prevent the jews from stoning mary to death ... or otherwise - as the initiation of the 1st century events the repudiation of judaism and their false commandments desert dwellers, moses the liar, claim to be heavenly.

What do you mean by "christian (jew)". If you want me "to just look it up", I understand.

There are a lot of tall tales from the past. Like the game of Telephone, stories can evolve. I know that's a bad word for some people.

 

[Hypatia415]

I don't mean to be rude but you are not explaining when and how it came to be that Jesus was first worshipped as God and why Jesus was first worshipped as God.

The men and women who knew the historical figure Jesus of Nazareth did not worship him as a god. As my previous reply to you illustrates. Those individuals continued to be pious and observant Jews exactly as Jesus had been. However, the cataclysmic impact of the First Jewish War (66-70 CE) on fledgling Christianity cannot be either ignored or overlooked. Following that event the wider Christian movement severed all links with its parent religion and developed as a gentile cult within the Hellenistic world.

 

[Hypatia415]

How does that explain the apostles dying for their beliefs? Cultists later on, sure, but cults have a start and this one started with very ardent believers.

Despite being asked to do so you have yet to provide any attested historical evidence that any of the disciples/apostles did die for their beliefs.

Your replies to me would indicate that you have a very poor understanding of how Christianity developed within the gentile world following the events of 66-70 CE.

 

[Hypatia415]

Thats Israel

Go back further and it is Canaan.

 

[Meriweather]

The men and women who knew the historical figure Jesus of Nazareth did not worship him as a god. As my previous reply to you illustrates. Those individuals continued to be pious and observant Jews exactly as Jesus had been. However, the cataclysmic impact of the First Jewish War (66-70 CE) on fledgling Christianity cannot be either ignored or overlooked. Following that event the wider Christian movement severed all links with its parent religion and developed as a gentile cult within the Hellenistic world.

Have you ever practiced Christianity?

 

[Hypatia415]

Have you ever practiced Christianity?

Which specific branch of the religion do you have in mind? There are, after all, so many from which to choose.

 

[Bad Bob]

Despite being asked to do so you have yet to provide any attested historical evidence that any of the disciples/apostles did die for their beliefs.

Your replies to me would indicate that you have a very poor understanding of how Christianity developed within the gentile world following the events of 66-70 CE.

You're free to deny my previous posts, but others can see them if they care to search.
Why are you denying I made them?

I'm a student of both history and human behaviorism. Why do you believe I'm ignorant of the evolution of Christianity?

 

[Meriweather]

Which specific branch of the religion do you have in mind? There are, after all, so many from which to choose.

Any branch of Christianity would do to begin with.

 

[Hypatia415]

You're free to deny my previous posts, but others can see them if they care to search.

Why are you denying I made them?

I asked you for attested historical evidence, not Christian traditions many of which appear in the writings of Eusebius of Caesarea (c. 260/265 - 339 CE) and of course the much later Book of the Bee written in Syriac by Solomon of Akhlat, Bishop of Basra, probably around 1222.

 

[Bad Bob]

I asked you for attested historical evidence, not Christian traditions many of which appear in the writings of Eusebius of Caesarea (c. 260/265 - 339 CE) and of course the much later Book of the Bee written in Syriac by Solomon of Akhlat, Bishop of Basra, probably around 1222.

You're right, I'm wrong and you have no response to the ripples in the pond. I get it. Are we done now?

 

[Hypatia415]

Any branch of Christianity would do to begin with.

I enjoy the music composed for the Christian religion and would attend church every week if, for example, the religious music of Hildegard von Bingen, Gounod, Gabrieli, Handel, Haydn or Bach were a regular feature.

However, as to practising the religion, no I never have done so.

 

[Hypatia415]

You're right, I'm wrong and you have no response to the ripples in the pond. I get it. Are we done now?

You really need to read up on how the Christian religion developed. It did not spring forth fully formed like Athene from Zeus' brow.

 

[Bad Bob]

I enjoy the music composed for the Christian religion and would attend church every week if, for example, the religious music of Hildegard von Bingen, Gounod, Gabrieli, Handel, Haydn or Bach were a regular feature.

However, as to practising the religion, no I never have done so.

How did you come by your knowledge of Christianity and religious music?

 

[Bad Bob]

You really need to read up on how the Christian religion developed. It did not spring forth fully formed like Athene from Zeus' brow.

Duh. Why are you assuming otherwise?

 

[Hypatia415]

Duh. Why are you assuming otherwise?

Because you are showing remarkable ignorance on that very complex subject.

 

[Hypatia415]

How did you come by your knowledge of Christianity and religious music?

Reading and listening.

 

[Bad Bob]

Because you are showing remarkable ignorance on that very complex subject.

What ignorance are you accusing me of having? TIA

Reading and listening.

A good way to learn.

 

[Meriweather]

However, as to practising the religion, no I never have done so.

Then why the interest in trying to reinterpret it with the aim of tearing it down?