The Balfour Declaration

[rylah]

RE: The Balfour Declaration
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are NOT on solid ground.

Well, this is not at all what we were talking about. The facts pertaining to the political considerations given the inhabitance under the former Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) of the Allied Powers (particularly France and the British Government), has nothing to do with the actual rights (whether we suggest they be national/political or civil/religious) afford the inhabitance. It may sound odd, but that was generally how things were done a century ago. A century ago, such rights (national/political or civil/religious), if they were considered at all, were thought of completely different from how they are viewed today.

(COMMENT)

I was going to say (as the saying goes) - I've never been to Timbuktu, but I know what a desert is. (But actually I have been to Timbuktu; my grandmother (Minorcan) took me there when I was a boy.)

Contrary to the Islamic popular belief, the Israelis are NOT the sole source for history. In fact, while there are undoubtedly a few Jewish Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica, I'm sure that a century ago, they did not control the knowledge base for most of the English Speaking world.

Self-determination, is a peremptory norm derived from modern customary international law (jus cogens...) from a time when it was first promoted as a political theory in the nineteenth century. However, it has no real definition.

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Each state, or nation has three competing self-interests: territorial integrity, the rights to self-determination, and secession. But again, Self-Determination is NOT a "suicide pact." Israel does NOT have to give up a limb or dissolve just to appease Arab Palestinian political and military failures to achieve their confused nationalist objectives.

Most Respectfully,
R

Each state, or nation has three competing self-interests: territorial integrity, the rights to self-determination, and secession. But again, Self-Determination is NOT a "suicide pact." Israel does NOT have to give up a limb or dissolve just to appease Arab Palestinian political and military failures to achieve their confused nationalist objectives.

OK, let's take this apart.

PALESTINE PROGRESS REPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS
MEDIATOR ON PALESTINE

CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT​

28 September 1948​

I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY​

Now compare this to the universal rights that the UN says the Palestinians have.

• The right to self determination without external interference.
• The right to independence and sovereignty.
• The right to territorial integrity.

Virtually a perfect match going back before 1948. You keep trying to smokescreen the issues but the Palestinians are on solid ground.

(COMMENT)

The puppet regime established and funded by the Egyptian Government (and by the way, the Egyptian Government dissolved the All Palestine Government) was unable to take any successful act that established "sovereign territory." They could not claim any actual territory to which they had control and they were the undisputed government. On the other hand, the Egyptians, the Jordanians and the Israelis all had territories, and all have areas they controlled. Jordan even, for a while, annexed the West Bank and Jerusalem; all of which they abandon to Israeli control in 1988.

It has only been since 2005 that the Arab Palestinians assumed control of the Gaza Strip. They claim to be a government with sovereign control.

Nothing about the September 1948 Declaration by the All Palestine Government show any overt act to establish control of any aspect or portion of the territory. It's just a cablegram with nothing substantial behind it.

Most Respectfully,
R

The puppet regime established and funded by the Egyptian Government (and by the way, the Egyptian Government dissolved the All Palestine Government) was unable to take any successful act that established "sovereign territory." They could not claim any actual territory to which they had control and they were the undisputed government.

OK, but Palestine did not have territorial control because it was occupied by three military forces and it was a civilian population. However, a state does not cease to exist because it is under military occupation. Remember, occupations do not acquire sovereignty.

There's no sovereignty without occupation, this is the part You keep missing. And one of the reasons why the Arab declarations were invalid.

Not true. India was India before the British. It was India during the British occupation. It was India after the British left. An occupation is merely a period in history. Occupations do not acquire sovereignty. Nobody has the authority to dismantle or dissolve a state.

What about Pakistan?
What about Jordan?

You don't seem to have a problem with 78% of Palestine going to an exclusively Arab state.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The Balfour Declaration
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are NOT on solid ground.

OK, let's take this apart.

PALESTINE PROGRESS REPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS
MEDIATOR ON PALESTINE

CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT​

28 September 1948​

I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY​

Now compare this to the universal rights that the UN says the Palestinians have.

• The right to self determination without external interference.
• The right to independence and sovereignty.
• The right to territorial integrity.

Virtually a perfect match going back before 1948. You keep trying to smokescreen the issues but the Palestinians are on solid ground.

(COMMENT)

The puppet regime established and funded by the Egyptian Government (and by the way, the Egyptian Government dissolved the All Palestine Government) was unable to take any successful act that established "sovereign territory." They could not claim any actual territory to which they had control and they were the undisputed government. On the other hand, the Egyptians, the Jordanians and the Israelis all had territories, and all have areas they controlled. Jordan even, for a while, annexed the West Bank and Jerusalem; all of which they abandon to Israeli control in 1988.

It has only been since 2005 that the Arab Palestinians assumed control of the Gaza Strip. They claim to be a government with sovereign control.

Nothing about the September 1948 Declaration by the All Palestine Government show any overt act to establish control of any aspect or portion of the territory. It's just a cablegram with nothing substantial behind it.

Most Respectfully,
R

The puppet regime established and funded by the Egyptian Government (and by the way, the Egyptian Government dissolved the All Palestine Government) was unable to take any successful act that established "sovereign territory." They could not claim any actual territory to which they had control and they were the undisputed government.

OK, but Palestine did not have territorial control because it was occupied by three military forces and it was a civilian population. However, a state does not cease to exist because it is under military occupation. Remember, occupations do not acquire sovereignty.

There's no sovereignty without occupation, this is the part You keep missing. And one of the reasons why the Arab declarations were invalid.

Not true. India was India before the British. It was India during the British occupation. It was India after the British left. An occupation is merely a period in history. Occupations do not acquire sovereignty. Nobody has the authority to dismantle or dissolve a state.

What about Pakistan?

It is a deflection.

 

[rylah]

RE: The Balfour Declaration
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are NOT on solid ground.

(COMMENT)

The puppet regime established and funded by the Egyptian Government (and by the way, the Egyptian Government dissolved the All Palestine Government) was unable to take any successful act that established "sovereign territory." They could not claim any actual territory to which they had control and they were the undisputed government. On the other hand, the Egyptians, the Jordanians and the Israelis all had territories, and all have areas they controlled. Jordan even, for a while, annexed the West Bank and Jerusalem; all of which they abandon to Israeli control in 1988.

It has only been since 2005 that the Arab Palestinians assumed control of the Gaza Strip. They claim to be a government with sovereign control.

Nothing about the September 1948 Declaration by the All Palestine Government show any overt act to establish control of any aspect or portion of the territory. It's just a cablegram with nothing substantial behind it.

Most Respectfully,
R

The puppet regime established and funded by the Egyptian Government (and by the way, the Egyptian Government dissolved the All Palestine Government) was unable to take any successful act that established "sovereign territory." They could not claim any actual territory to which they had control and they were the undisputed government.

OK, but Palestine did not have territorial control because it was occupied by three military forces and it was a civilian population. However, a state does not cease to exist because it is under military occupation. Remember, occupations do not acquire sovereignty.

There's no sovereignty without occupation, this is the part You keep missing. And one of the reasons why the Arab declarations were invalid.

Not true. India was India before the British. It was India during the British occupation. It was India after the British left. An occupation is merely a period in history. Occupations do not acquire sovereignty. Nobody has the authority to dismantle or dissolve a state.

What about Pakistan?

It is a deflection.

Totally destroys Your claim
What about Mesapotamia...was it ever a real state, is it still on the map?

 

[Shusha]

Nobody has the authority to dismantle or dissolve a state.

Patently, demonstrably not true. States are dismantled all the time. Dozens over the past 100 years.

 

[Shusha]

What about Pakistan?
What about Jordan?

You don't seem to have a problem with 78% of Palestine going to an exclusively Arab state.

He is going to have to ignore this. If he addresses the partition of Palestine into the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the (ahem cough cough) State of Palestine it destroys his entire argument and he knows it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The Balfour Declaration
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are NOT on solid ground.

OK, let's take this apart.

PALESTINE PROGRESS REPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS
MEDIATOR ON PALESTINE

CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT​

28 September 1948​

I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY​

Now compare this to the universal rights that the UN says the Palestinians have.

• The right to self determination without external interference.
• The right to independence and sovereignty.
• The right to territorial integrity.

Virtually a perfect match going back before 1948. You keep trying to smokescreen the issues but the Palestinians are on solid ground.

(COMMENT)

The puppet regime established and funded by the Egyptian Government (and by the way, the Egyptian Government dissolved the All Palestine Government) was unable to take any successful act that established "sovereign territory." They could not claim any actual territory to which they had control and they were the undisputed government. On the other hand, the Egyptians, the Jordanians and the Israelis all had territories, and all have areas they controlled. Jordan even, for a while, annexed the West Bank and Jerusalem; all of which they abandon to Israeli control in 1988.

It has only been since 2005 that the Arab Palestinians assumed control of the Gaza Strip. They claim to be a government with sovereign control.

Nothing about the September 1948 Declaration by the All Palestine Government show any overt act to establish control of any aspect or portion of the territory. It's just a cablegram with nothing substantial behind it.

Most Respectfully,
R

The puppet regime established and funded by the Egyptian Government (and by the way, the Egyptian Government dissolved the All Palestine Government) was unable to take any successful act that established "sovereign territory." They could not claim any actual territory to which they had control and they were the undisputed government.

OK, but Palestine did not have territorial control because it was occupied by three military forces and it was a civilian population. However, a state does not cease to exist because it is under military occupation. Remember, occupations do not acquire sovereignty.

There's no sovereignty without occupation, this is the part You keep missing. And one of the reasons why the Arab declarations were invalid.

Not true. India was India before the British. It was India during the British occupation. It was India after the British left. An occupation is merely a period in history. Occupations do not acquire sovereignty. Nobody has the authority to dismantle or dissolve a state.

What about Pakistan?
What about Jordan?

You don't seem to have a problem with 78% of Palestine going to an exclusively Arab state.

In Jordan the people stayed with their territory as did all of the people in the region except Palestine.

What about Lebanon? Did it cease to exist when it was occupied by Syria?

Did Kuwait cease to exist when it was occupied by Iraq?

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: The Balfour Declaration
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are NOT on solid ground.

(COMMENT)

The puppet regime established and funded by the Egyptian Government (and by the way, the Egyptian Government dissolved the All Palestine Government) was unable to take any successful act that established "sovereign territory." They could not claim any actual territory to which they had control and they were the undisputed government. On the other hand, the Egyptians, the Jordanians and the Israelis all had territories, and all have areas they controlled. Jordan even, for a while, annexed the West Bank and Jerusalem; all of which they abandon to Israeli control in 1988.

It has only been since 2005 that the Arab Palestinians assumed control of the Gaza Strip. They claim to be a government with sovereign control.

Nothing about the September 1948 Declaration by the All Palestine Government show any overt act to establish control of any aspect or portion of the territory. It's just a cablegram with nothing substantial behind it.

Most Respectfully,
R

The puppet regime established and funded by the Egyptian Government (and by the way, the Egyptian Government dissolved the All Palestine Government) was unable to take any successful act that established "sovereign territory." They could not claim any actual territory to which they had control and they were the undisputed government.

OK, but Palestine did not have territorial control because it was occupied by three military forces and it was a civilian population. However, a state does not cease to exist because it is under military occupation. Remember, occupations do not acquire sovereignty.

There's no sovereignty without occupation, this is the part You keep missing. And one of the reasons why the Arab declarations were invalid.

Not true. India was India before the British. It was India during the British occupation. It was India after the British left. An occupation is merely a period in history. Occupations do not acquire sovereignty. Nobody has the authority to dismantle or dissolve a state.

What about Pakistan?
What about Jordan?

You don't seem to have a problem with 78% of Palestine going to an exclusively Arab state.

In Jordan the people stayed with their territory as did all of the people in the region except Palestine.

What about Lebanon? Did it cease to exist when it was occupied by Syria?

Did Kuwait cease to exist when it was occupied by Iraq?

Oh, yes, in Jordan the people, the Arab people stayed with their territory.

Yes, they did .......while all the Jews were murdered or forced out of that 78% of Mandate of Palestine territory by 1925.
Which, by the way, was part of the Jewish Nation Homeland and no Jew was to be prejudiced and forced out of their homes, and their civil rights, etc......just as the Arabs were to be respected in the rest of the mandate when sovereignty given to the Jewish people.

Gee, what could have happened there?

Lebanon and Syria were Mandates and remained the Mandates they were meant to be.

Iraq definitely wanted to swallow Kuwait. If they had succeeded would they have changed its name as the Jordanians did with Judea and Samaria and would the Arab world and the rest of the world have minded?

Maybe, just maybe.

 

[P F Tinmore]

OK, but Palestine did not have territorial control because it was occupied by three military forces and it was a civilian population. However, a state does not cease to exist because it is under military occupation. Remember, occupations do not acquire sovereignty.

There's no sovereignty without occupation, this is the part You keep missing. And one of the reasons why the Arab declarations were invalid.

Not true. India was India before the British. It was India during the British occupation. It was India after the British left. An occupation is merely a period in history. Occupations do not acquire sovereignty. Nobody has the authority to dismantle or dissolve a state.

What about Pakistan?
What about Jordan?

You don't seem to have a problem with 78% of Palestine going to an exclusively Arab state.

In Jordan the people stayed with their territory as did all of the people in the region except Palestine.

What about Lebanon? Did it cease to exist when it was occupied by Syria?

Did Kuwait cease to exist when it was occupied by Iraq?

Oh, yes, in Jordan the people, the Arab people stayed with their territory.

Yes, they did .......while all the Jews were murdered or forced out of that 78% of Mandate of Palestine territory by 1925.
Which, by the way, was part of the Jewish Nation Homeland and no Jew was to be prejudiced and forced out of their homes, and their civil rights, etc......just as the Arabs were to be respected in the rest of the mandate when sovereignty given to the Jewish people.

Gee, what could have happened there?

Lebanon and Syria were Mandates and remained the Mandates they were meant to be.

Iraq definitely wanted to swallow Kuwait. If they had succeeded would they have changed its name as the Jordanians did with Judea and Samaria and would the Arab world and the rest of the world have minded?

Maybe, just maybe.

Jordan had its issues but this is the Israel and Palestine forum.

 

[Hollie]

There's no sovereignty without occupation, this is the part You keep missing. And one of the reasons why the Arab declarations were invalid.

Not true. India was India before the British. It was India during the British occupation. It was India after the British left. An occupation is merely a period in history. Occupations do not acquire sovereignty. Nobody has the authority to dismantle or dissolve a state.

What about Pakistan?
What about Jordan?

You don't seem to have a problem with 78% of Palestine going to an exclusively Arab state.

In Jordan the people stayed with their territory as did all of the people in the region except Palestine.

What about Lebanon? Did it cease to exist when it was occupied by Syria?

Did Kuwait cease to exist when it was occupied by Iraq?

Oh, yes, in Jordan the people, the Arab people stayed with their territory.

Yes, they did .......while all the Jews were murdered or forced out of that 78% of Mandate of Palestine territory by 1925.
Which, by the way, was part of the Jewish Nation Homeland and no Jew was to be prejudiced and forced out of their homes, and their civil rights, etc......just as the Arabs were to be respected in the rest of the mandate when sovereignty given to the Jewish people.

Gee, what could have happened there?

Lebanon and Syria were Mandates and remained the Mandates they were meant to be.

Iraq definitely wanted to swallow Kuwait. If they had succeeded would they have changed its name as the Jordanians did with Judea and Samaria and would the Arab world and the rest of the world have minded?

Maybe, just maybe.

Jordan had its issues but this is the Israel and Palestine forum.

Yes, Jordan certainly had its issues. Among those issues was a little dalliance known as Black September.

Shirley, you can find a YouTube video.

 

[rylah]

RE: The Balfour Declaration
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are NOT on solid ground.

(COMMENT)

The puppet regime established and funded by the Egyptian Government (and by the way, the Egyptian Government dissolved the All Palestine Government) was unable to take any successful act that established "sovereign territory." They could not claim any actual territory to which they had control and they were the undisputed government. On the other hand, the Egyptians, the Jordanians and the Israelis all had territories, and all have areas they controlled. Jordan even, for a while, annexed the West Bank and Jerusalem; all of which they abandon to Israeli control in 1988.

It has only been since 2005 that the Arab Palestinians assumed control of the Gaza Strip. They claim to be a government with sovereign control.

Nothing about the September 1948 Declaration by the All Palestine Government show any overt act to establish control of any aspect or portion of the territory. It's just a cablegram with nothing substantial behind it.

Most Respectfully,
R

The puppet regime established and funded by the Egyptian Government (and by the way, the Egyptian Government dissolved the All Palestine Government) was unable to take any successful act that established "sovereign territory." They could not claim any actual territory to which they had control and they were the undisputed government.

OK, but Palestine did not have territorial control because it was occupied by three military forces and it was a civilian population. However, a state does not cease to exist because it is under military occupation. Remember, occupations do not acquire sovereignty.

There's no sovereignty without occupation, this is the part You keep missing. And one of the reasons why the Arab declarations were invalid.

Not true. India was India before the British. It was India during the British occupation. It was India after the British left. An occupation is merely a period in history. Occupations do not acquire sovereignty. Nobody has the authority to dismantle or dissolve a state.

What about Pakistan?
What about Jordan?

You don't seem to have a problem with 78% of Palestine going to an exclusively Arab state.

In Jordan the people stayed with their territory as did all of the people in the region except Palestine.

What about Lebanon? Did it cease to exist when it was occupied by Syria?

Did Kuwait cease to exist when it was occupied by Iraq?

Yes the sovereignty over Palestine was divided between the Arabs in Jordan and Jews in the remaining 28% of the territory.

Q.Since when did Jews cease to be "the people in the region"?

 

[Humanity]

The war that Israel started you mean? Is it that one you are talking about?

Israel started the war? How so? By what actions did Israel start the war?

You do realise you are posting to a dolt?

He's going to dodge the question.

I'm still awaiting your responses to questions from months ago when you went on 'vacation'... Funny that!

Oh lookie. Dodged the question as predicted.

Oh lookie... It still can't answer a question from several months ago because it got all butthurt then accuses!

 

[Sixties Fan]

Israel started the war? How so? By what actions did Israel start the war?

You do realise you are posting to a dolt?

He's going to dodge the question.

I'm still awaiting your responses to questions from months ago when you went on 'vacation'... Funny that!

Oh lookie. Dodged the question as predicted.

Oh lookie... It still can't answer a question from several months ago because it got all butthurt then accuses!

Repeat the question.

 

[danielpalos]

Does anyone believe we would be worse off with a State of Judea in historic Palestine?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The Balfour Declaration
⁜→ danielpalos, et al,

That is a question that some serious Jews (already in the West Bank) are going to answer themselves. An outsider cannot do it. Not even an Israel Jew can fully answer the question of establishing a State under Jewish Law.

Does anyone believe we would be worse off with a State of Judea in historic Palestine?

(COMMENT)

I'm not even sure what it is possible for a state governed by Jewish religious laws (based on the Torah) is possible.

◈ What would it look like?
◈ How much different is it from a Jewish Autonomous Oblast (JOA)?
◈ Could such a State under Jewish Law even survive in the modern world?
❖ There are a thousand and one questions that have to be considered. That would include the desired end-outcome. And I'm not sure there is any agreement on that.​

I don't think we can raise an ancient State under the Torah Rule of Law (Halakha).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: The Balfour Declaration
⁜→ danielpalos, et al,

That is a question that some serious Jews (already in the West Bank) are going to answer themselves. An outsider cannot do it. Not even an Israel Jew can fully answer the question of establishing a State under Jewish Law.

Does anyone believe we would be worse off with a State of Judea in historic Palestine?

(COMMENT)

I'm not even sure what it is possible for a state governed by Jewish religious laws (based on the Torah) is possible.

◈ What would it look like?
◈ How much different is it from a Jewish Autonomous Oblast (JOA)?
◈ Could such a State under Jewish Law even survive in the modern world?
❖ There are a thousand and one questions that have to be considered. That would include the desired end-outcome. And I'm not sure there is any agreement on that.​

I don't think we can raise an ancient State under the Torah Rule of Law (Halakha).

Most Respectfully,
R

He asks this question out of an attempt to annoy. Ignore him.
It is another attempt to delegitimize Israel and the Jewish people.

 

[Mindful]

Does anyone believe we would be worse off with a State of Judea in historic Palestine?

Who is 'we'?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Does anyone believe we would be worse off with a State of Judea in historic Palestine?

Who is 'we'?

Ignore the jester. He is a one idea poster. A State of Judea.
blah, blah, blah.
On this thread, on EVERY thread.

 

[danielpalos]

RE: The Balfour Declaration
⁜→ danielpalos, et al,

That is a question that some serious Jews (already in the West Bank) are going to answer themselves. An outsider cannot do it. Not even an Israel Jew can fully answer the question of establishing a State under Jewish Law.

Does anyone believe we would be worse off with a State of Judea in historic Palestine?

(COMMENT)

I'm not even sure what it is possible for a state governed by Jewish religious laws (based on the Torah) is possible.

◈ What would it look like?
◈ How much different is it from a Jewish Autonomous Oblast (JOA)?
◈ Could such a State under Jewish Law even survive in the modern world?
❖ There are a thousand and one questions that have to be considered. That would include the desired end-outcome. And I'm not sure there is any agreement on that.​

I don't think we can raise an ancient State under the Torah Rule of Law (Halakha).

Most Respectfully,
R

I have high hopes and pipe dreams, it can be done. Even a secular and temporal State would be enough.

 

[Mindful]

RE: The Balfour Declaration
⁜→ danielpalos, et al,

That is a question that some serious Jews (already in the West Bank) are going to answer themselves. An outsider cannot do it. Not even an Israel Jew can fully answer the question of establishing a State under Jewish Law.

Does anyone believe we would be worse off with a State of Judea in historic Palestine?

(COMMENT)

I'm not even sure what it is possible for a state governed by Jewish religious laws (based on the Torah) is possible.

◈ What would it look like?
◈ How much different is it from a Jewish Autonomous Oblast (JOA)?
◈ Could such a State under Jewish Law even survive in the modern world?
❖ There are a thousand and one questions that have to be considered. That would include the desired end-outcome. And I'm not sure there is any agreement on that.​

I don't think we can raise an ancient State under the Torah Rule of Law (Halakha).

Most Respectfully,
R

I have high hopes and pipe dreams, it can be done. Even a secular and temporal State would be enough.

What are you talking about?

 

[Shusha]

Israel started the war? How so? By what actions did Israel start the war?

You do realise you are posting to a dolt?

He's going to dodge the question.

I'm still awaiting your responses to questions from months ago when you went on 'vacation'... Funny that!

Oh lookie. Dodged the question as predicted.

Oh lookie... It still can't answer a question from several months ago because it got all butthurt then accuses!

I can't remember what question you asked months ago that I didn't have time to answer before my trip. But dude, just ask again. I'll answer.