The Aftermath of the Trial

[PMZ]

About 1/3 of Americans do not support the death penalty for convicted murders. Why? I don't know for sure but many certainly because of the lack of any reliable process to ascertain guilt.

GZ imposed the death penalty on TM, with a great deal less certainty than our court system would have, for unspecified crimes. Whatever he judged TM's crimes to be, they didn't even hurt George. He left the scene unscathed.

I think that it's an interesting insight on our culture that so many here want to declare George a hero for that act.

He could have easily avoided the entire situation by doing as the experts advised him. Stay in the car. He avoided that advice because he thought that "they" had gotten away with "it" too many times.

Who are "they", what is "it", and what right had he to declare himself police, judge, jury, and executioner?

With no real witnesses other than himself it was pretty easy for the defense to create reasonable doubt about the details. That outcome is very, very common with Florida's stand your ground culture and laws. The sunshine state has what they wanted. Frontier justice. People free to kill others for annoying them.

George is no hero. He's a red neck racist who needed to carry a gun to feel like a man.

TM was also not a hero. But he was free to be walking the street when and where he was.

 

[Oldstyle]

Murder is murder. How is a moot point. Once GZ eliminated the only witness, it was his show. He simply had to make up a story that allowed him to be the victim that wasn't contradicted by the sparce evidence. Child's play.

One of the hardest things for someone to do is "make up" a story under duress...and then repeat that lie under repeated questioning. The story almost always changes. It's why defense lawyers cringe whenever their client DOES agree to talk to the Police or to the Press. George Zimmerman willingly told different Police officers...from the locals...to the State cops...to the Feds his version of the story and not only did it not vary in any substantial way...the evidence collected that night matched his story.

The reason that it's NOT "child's play" to make up a story as you allege George Zimmerman did is that in doing so people inevitably get caught telling that lie because the evidence contradicts their testimony. None of it did that with George Zimmerman's account. That's why the Prosecution was shooting blanks this entire case.

 

[Pop23]

About 1/3 of Americans do not support the death penalty for convicted murders. Why? I don't know for sure but many certainly because of the lack of any reliable process to ascertain guilt.

GZ imposed the death penalty on TM, with a great deal less certainty than our court system would have, for unspecified crimes. Whatever he judged TM's crimes to be, they didn't even hurt George. He left the scene unscathed.

I think that it's an interesting insight on our culture that so many here want to declare George a hero for that act.

He could have easily avoided the entire situation by doing as the experts advised him. Stay in the car. He avoided that advice because he thought that "they" had gotten away with "it" too many times.

Who are "they", what is "it", and what right had he to declare himself police, judge, jury, and executioner?

With no real witnesses other than himself it was pretty easy for the defense to create reasonable doubt about the details. That outcome is very, very common with Florida's stand your ground culture and laws. The sunshine state has what they wanted. Frontier justice. People free to kill others for annoying them.

George is no hero. He's a red neck racist who needed to carry a gun to feel like a man.

TM was also not a hero. But he was free to be walking the street when and where he was.

Damn dude, do you ever not speak out of both sides of your face?

Ok, let's say exactly what you just said back at you. Please attempt to answer.

What gives YOU the right to be both Judge and Jury?

Makes you the redneck you accuse others of being.

 

[PMZ]

I assume that there's some words in my post that you disagree with. I have no idea which ones. Please be specific.

 

[asaratis]

Once GZ murdered TM, the only witness, there was very little reliable evidence. It was a simple matter to put together a story that didn't contradict the skimpy evidence and that put the blame on TM. Especially for people like you who were desperate to exonerate GZ.

There was plenty of reliable evidence. Zimmerman's face and head were photographed at the scene, taped telephone calls describing the events as they happened, the phone records indicating the FOUR MINUTE gap in which Trayvon could have easily completed the 30-45 second walk to his home, the eye witness account of Martin atop Zimmerman pummeling his head into concrete, the forensic evidence that was examined by a top expert in gunshot wounds and showed again that Martin was on top...none of this evidence indicated in any way that Zimmerman made up a story. He described what actually happened.

Murder is murder. How is a moot point. Once GZ eliminated the only witness, it was his show. He simply had to make up a story that allowed him to be the victim that wasn't contradicted by the sparce evidence. Child's play.

Child's play is what appears to happen on your keyboard every time you conjure up a post.

The fact that your signature is longer than most of your posts in this thread suggests that you are hard put to find something worth saying, therefore depend heavily on short sentences and denial of the truth.

The idea that people who don't know enough also don't know enough to realise that they don't know enough ("Dunning-Kruger effect" is so much simpler to get your tongue around) isn't particularly new. Berthigrand Russell in The Triumph of Stupidity in the mid 1930s said that "The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt." Even earlier, Charles Darwin, in The Descent of Man in 1871, stated "ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."
In his 1996 book Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot, Al Franken described the phenomenon of "pseudo-certainty" which was rampantly being displayed by pundits and politicians such as Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich, who would use "common sense" as the basis for their confidently-made assertions, but without actually backing them up with time-consuming research or pesky facts. Franken prefers the term "being a fucking moron."

It also indicates that you have little sense regarding the relative intellectual stature of highly enlightened philosophers, accomplished naturalists and comical bimbos. When coupled with the aggregate contents of your posts here, this lends itself as evidence that you may indeed be a liberal and "a fucking moron", thus making you a true oxymoron.

 

[PMZ]

Another one with nothing to say but lacking the good sense to say nothing.

The perfect dittohead.

 

[asaratis]

Another one with nothing to say but lacking the good sense to say nothing.

The perfect dittohead.

Proves my point.

 

[PMZ]

Once GZ murdered TM, the only witness, there was very little reliable evidence. It was a simple matter to put together a story that didn't contradict the skimpy evidence and that put the blame on TM. Especially for people like you who were desperate to exonerate GZ.

There was plenty of reliable evidence. Zimmerman's face and head were photographed at the scene, taped telephone calls describing the events as they happened, the phone records indicating the FOUR MINUTE gap in which Trayvon could have easily completed the 30-45 second walk to his home, the eye witness account of Martin atop Zimmerman pummeling his head into concrete, the forensic evidence that was examined by a top expert in gunshot wounds and showed again that Martin was on top...none of this evidence indicated in any way that Zimmerman made up a story. He described what actually happened.

Murder is murder. How is a moot point. Once GZ eliminated the only witness, it was his show. He simply had to make up a story that allowed him to be the victim that wasn't contradicted by the sparce evidence. Child's play.

Child's play is what appears to happen on your keyboard every time you conjure up a post.

The fact that your signature is longer than most of your posts in this thread suggests that you are hard put to find something worth saying, therefore depend heavily on short sentences and denial of the truth.

The idea that people who don't know enough also don't know enough to realise that they don't know enough ("Dunning-Kruger effect" is so much simpler to get your tongue around) isn't particularly new. Berthigrand Russell in The Triumph of Stupidity in the mid 1930s said that "The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt." Even earlier, Charles Darwin, in The Descent of Man in 1871, stated "ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."
In his 1996 book Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot, Al Franken described the phenomenon of "pseudo-certainty" which was rampantly being displayed by pundits and politicians such as Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich, who would use "common sense" as the basis for their confidently-made assertions, but without actually backing them up with time-consuming research or pesky facts. Franken prefers the term "being a fucking moron."

It also indicates that you have little sense regarding the relative intellectual stature of highly enlightened philosophers, accomplished naturalists and comical bimbos. When coupled with the aggregate contents of your posts here, this lends itself as evidence that you may indeed be a liberal and "a fucking moron", thus making you a true oxymoron.

No question that GZ's memory of the end of the encounter was near perfect while his recollection of the beginning was nearly totally forgotten.

 

[numan]

About 1/3 of Americans do not support the death penalty for convicted murders.

Possibly 1/3 of Americans are civilized.

But what am I saying!! The proportion couldn't possibly be that high !!

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[Pop23]

I assume that there's some words in my post that you disagree with. I have no idea which ones. Please be specific.

Check paragraph 5

 

[Pop23]

About 1/3 of Americans do not support the death penalty for convicted murders.

Possibly 1/3 of Americans are civilized.

But what am I saying!! The proportion couldn't possibly be that high !!

.

Which must be much hire than the Canadian population?

 

[Pop23]

Once GZ murdered TM, the only witness, there was very little reliable evidence. It was a simple matter to put together a story that didn't contradict the skimpy evidence and that put the blame on TM. Especially for people like you who were desperate to exonerate GZ.

There was plenty of reliable evidence. Zimmerman's face and head were photographed at the scene, taped telephone calls describing the events as they happened, the phone records indicating the FOUR MINUTE gap in which Trayvon could have easily completed the 30-45 second walk to his home, the eye witness account of Martin atop Zimmerman pummeling his head into concrete, the forensic evidence that was examined by a top expert in gunshot wounds and showed again that Martin was on top...none of this evidence indicated in any way that Zimmerman made up a story. He described what actually happened.




Child's play is what appears to happen on your keyboard every time you conjure up a post.

The fact that your signature is longer than most of your posts in this thread suggests that you are hard put to find something worth saying, therefore depend heavily on short sentences and denial of the truth.

The idea that people who don't know enough also don't know enough to realise that they don't know enough ("Dunning-Kruger effect" is so much simpler to get your tongue around) isn't particularly new. Berthigrand Russell in The Triumph of Stupidity in the mid 1930s said that "The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt." Even earlier, Charles Darwin, in The Descent of Man in 1871, stated "ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."
In his 1996 book Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot, Al Franken described the phenomenon of "pseudo-certainty" which was rampantly being displayed by pundits and politicians such as Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich, who would use "common sense" as the basis for their confidently-made assertions, but without actually backing them up with time-consuming research or pesky facts. Franken prefers the term "being a fucking moron."

It also indicates that you have little sense regarding the relative intellectual stature of highly enlightened philosophers, accomplished naturalists and comical bimbos. When coupled with the aggregate contents of your posts here, this lends itself as evidence that you may indeed be a liberal and "a fucking moron", thus making you a true oxymoron.

No question that GZ's memory of the end of the encounter was near perfect while his recollection of the beginning was nearly totally forgotten.

Mind reading is in admissible in a court of law.

 

[PMZ]

''Who are "they", what is "it", and what right had he to declare himself police, judge, jury, and executioner?''

That’s a question.

Which of those roles in TM's death sentence are you calling into question?

 

[Pop23]

In self defense there is no need for any.

Do you have a point you would like to make?

 

[numan]

Which must be much hire than the Canadian population?

I have the nagging feeling that what you wrote here might possibly have some meaning, if you knew how to spell.

.

 

[Pop23]

Which must be much hire than the Canadian population?

I have the nagging feeling that what you wrote here might possibly have some meaning, if you knew how to spell.

.

So I want to hire stupid Canadians

Applications are available at the border

You would be a perfect fit!

Repeat after me.....

Would you like to supersize that?

 

[PMZ]

The crimes that GZ convicted TM of, that led to his execution were summarized by George as ''them'' too often getting away with '' it''. George emphatically ended that reign of terror.

The self defense excuse that he offered was not supported by any real injuries.

At worst, apparently, it was TM holding him down to avoid getting shot.

But in FL that's called standing your ground.

 

[Alter2Ego]

Trayvon Martin was a thug in training. This is not important except in one respect. Was being a young thug, just trying his wings, the kind of person who would have a propensity to attack others? The jury, upon the testimony of Rachel Jeantel that Martin probably threw the first punch, concluded that he was.

In this case, Zimmerman is innocent. The reason is that the jury ruled self-defense, which is not a crime. The initial police report showed that his wounds were consistent with what Zimmerman told police after the fact, which showed that he was not the aggressor.

There's very little question that Trayvon Martin gave George Zimmerman a beating before Zimmerman pulled a gun and shot him. It was about as clear cut a case of self defense as I've ever seen yet Martin's actions have been excused because he was "followed". I'm sorry but since when did following someone at a distance after calling the Police to report suspicious activity become an excuse for assault & battery?

ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:
The above bigoted comments are from just the first page of this thread. Need I say more? Do you understand now why Zimmerman's racial profiling of an unarmed black youth--leading to him actively pursuing and then executing the unarmed youth, after which Zimmerman got off scott free--is such an outrage to Black people?


Zimmerman's remark to the 911 operator was that an African American kid who appeared about 18 years old was looking “like he’s up to no good.” That's called racial profiling.


Zimmerman then got out of his car and pursued the juvenile. Zimmerman said under his breath: "They always get away." Assigning the word "they" in negative undertones to an entire ethnic group is called racial profiling. Below is a weblink as well as a video of the 911 phone call. Listen for the following statements.


Zimmerman to Operator: "He's running."

911 Operator to Zimmerman: "Are you following him?"

Zimmerman to Operator: "Yeah."

911 Operator to Zimmerman: "Okay, we don't need you to do that. Okay?"

Raw: 911 call Zimmerman made to Sanford police (Explicit) | www.wftv.com




Trayvon phoned his girlfriend and informed her that he was being pursued by a "Cracker" aka Whitie. By then, the youth was in a fight or flight situation. He was running, trying to get away, with Zimmerman in hot pursuit.


QUESTION to Katzndogz, freedombecki, and Oldstyle: What would you have done if you were Trayvon and you found yourself being pursued by a complete stranger for reasons unknown?


The forum would like to know.




Operator describes George Zimmerman's 911 call on Trayvon Martin

Prosecutor Richard Mantei focused on the words used in that call, particularly when Noffke asked Zimmerman if he was following Martin.

“Why did you ask … 'Are you following him?'” the prosecutor asked Noffke.

“It sounded like movement and wind coming through the phone, after [Zimmerman] stated the subject was running,” Noffke said.

“How come you didn’t … say ‘don’t follow'?” the prosecutor asked him.

Noffke explained that for legal reasons, 911 operators may not give such orders. “We’re directly liable if we give a direct order,” he said. “We always try to give general basic … not commands, just suggestions.”

Under cross-examination, Noffke told defense attorney Mark O’Mara, “It’s best to avoid any kind of confrontation, to just get away from the situation,” a comment that might bolster prosecution allegations that the incident could have been avoided if Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle.
Operator describes George Zimmerman's 911 call on Trayvon Martin - latimes.com

 

[beagle9]

Gee, you'd think that all of that trauma would leave some marks behind. Not to mention that you've heard only half of the story. You seem desperate to believe that half even though, with the other witness dead, who's to know if any of it is true.

Reasonable doubt is a very low bar.

You are glad that the witness is dead it seems now aren't you ? I mean I say this because it gives you the ability to just continue to opine and fantasize and/or inject your poison on this thread until you brow beat everyone to death all by yourself with it, and this by your knowing that the witness is dead in which gives you the ability to just sling it, and sling it, and to just sling it some more as based on that fact alone, in which you love to resort to just so you can take off in what ever direction next that you feel it will allow you to go ?

 

[PMZ]

I belief that we all have a right to life once we are able to sustain that life. GZ denied TM of all of his rights. There may be circumstances that justify such actions but none were present here.

TM was doing nothing that each of us haven't done thousands of times. Yet GZ decided that he should not be allowed to be where he was. And he took action. With a gun.

That is one person imposing fatal consequences on another for no reason other than he could.

If TM was armed and ended GZ's life, you'd be up in arms as would I. I believe that TM deserves the same outrage.