The 77-year marriage between the US and Europe. Is divorce imminent?

[Lisa558]

Europe wants the USA to save their sorry ass ONCE AGAIN while quaking in their shoes to not further aggravate a terrorist source

That’s the leftist playbook: play nice-nice with terrorists, and they won’t bother you. One hopes.

And now that the Islamists have invaded Europe, people with Western values are afraid to upside their Islamist newcomers. That’s why they won’t engage against Iran.

 

[struth]

NATO enables U.S. to spread our military power globally.
They are the biggest impediment to Russian power.
NATO came to our defense after 9-11

Yep, and were active with us in Afghan up until xiden surrendered

Xiden however didn’t tell our allies, earning a contempt finding by the UK and total shame

This was key to both Putin invading Ukraine and Hamas attack on Israel…they knew nobody trusted us after xiden’s surrender…

 

[TimFitz]

Western European countries are most of the problem. They are over the top spoiled lefty idealists. They are exactly where our current Democratic Party is headed. China, Russia and N. Korea are sitting back and watching leftism weaken us and Western Europe. They LOVE it.

Empty prattle.

Trump began attacking NATO in 2015. Not through any formal channels. But on social media. Entertainment for his flat earth base in the runup to an election.

At first, many thought it was the usual Trump BS,

But he knew he had a winner with his flat earthers, so he kept it up.

After the election, me made a point of publicly cozying up to Vladimir Putin.

This was viewed as a frontal assault on our traditional allies.

And, when Trump publicly backed Moscow, up to and including the point where he endorsed the Russian invastion of Ukraine, the cracks got wider.

NATO did not cause this. It is down to one man.

Dispite your extremely parochial world view, Iran, North Korea, Russia and China do not care about the gotcha politics of Trump's cult.

They care about what they do. They know that Trump's word is worthless, and thus, the United States cannot be trusted.

This drivel about "leftires" is drivel. Empty drivel, based on ignorance and prejudice.

 

[TimFitz]

Yep, and were active with us in Afghan up until xiden surrendered

Xiden however didn’t tell our allies, earning a contempt finding by the UK and total shame

This was key to both Putin invading Ukraine and Hamas attack on Israel…they knew nobody trusted us after xiden’s surrender…

Biden didn't surrender.

Trump did.

He was the one who went around our Afghan allies and negotiated directly with the Taliban.

It's comical to claim that nobody trusts us because of Biden.

But there's the usual idiotic Trumpster projection again.

 

[rightwinger]

Yep, and were active with us in Afghan up until xiden surrendered

Xiden however didn’t tell our allies, earning a contempt finding by the UK and total shame

This was key to both Putin invading Ukraine and Hamas attack on Israel…they knew nobody trusted us after xiden’s surrender…

Bush occupied Afghanistan
Obama and Trump kept us there
Biden got us out safely after 20 years

 

[Zincwarrior]

With Orban gone the EU won't be blopped by an internal Putin vetoing measures, such that they will again be ramping defense production for themselves and Ukraine.

 

[TimFitz]

That’s the leftist playbook: play nice-nice with terrorists, and they won’t bother you. One hopes.

And now that the Islamists have invaded Europe, people with Western values are afraid to upside their Islamist newcomers. That’s why they won’t engage against Iran.

It really seems to bother you that all Europe is not embracing the ethnic bigotry that you openly espouse.

 

[struth]

Biden didn't surrender.

Trump did.

He was the one who went around our Afghan allies and negotiated directly with the Taliban.

It's comical to claim that nobody trusts us because of Biden.

But there's the usual idiotic Trumpster projection again.

Huh? When Trump left office we had troops and a base in Afghan…you are right he word a peace plan with the Taliban and Afghan that was approved by the UN

And xiden ignored it

 

[struth]

Bush occupied Afghanistan
Obama and Trump kept us there
Biden got us out safely after 20 years

Safely? Wow ..your are a cult

It was chaos and a disaster

Ex-US generals who oversaw Afghan exit describe chaos and challenges of withdrawal

Two former top generals testified to Congress about the "strategic failure" to prevent a Taliban takeover.

www.bbc.com

https://www.congress.gov/event/118th-congress/house-event/LC74391/text

https://www.stateoig.gov/uploads/testimony_news/testimony_pdf_file/2023-04-19-hcoa-written-testimony-state-oig.pdf

Veterans deliver emotional, scathing testimony about 'disastrous' Afghanistan withdrawal

The House Foreign Relations Committee is holding a hearing on the Afghanistan exit as part of the new Republican majority's pledge to probe the Biden administration's failures.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[TimFitz]

Huh? When Trump left office we had troops and a base in Afghan…you are right he word a peace plan with the Taliban and Afghan that was approved by the UN

And xiden ignored it

And we had an agreement with the Taliban to complete the withdrawal of US forces. Biden carried out Trump's policy.

The UN was not involved. You made that up, again.

 

[Independent thinker]

Only time will tell

But for reasons explained in this video the relationship is on the rocks

Our former friends and political/military allies are now siding with the enemy against us

And that is not easy to forgive

I'm for NATO but, since NATO is pretty much all about defending Europe, They should be footing most of the bill.

 

[Anarchy666]

We are now officially at war with not only Iran, but the entire North Atlantic Treaty Organization and its allies.

Iran secures UN role with backing from UK, France, Canada, Australia as US stands alone

Western democracies face backlash for allowing Iran and other authoritarian regimes to secure influential U.N. seats as the U.S. stood alone in opposition.

www.foxnews.com

Time for sanctions.

 

[Rawley]

Because EVERY President regardless of party understood the importance of the NATO alliance

And what is it's importance today, 2026?

 

[struth]

And we had an agreement with the Taliban to complete the withdrawal of US forces. Biden carried out Trump's policy.

The UN was not involved. You made that up, again.

No he didn’t xiden ignored the agreement. He didn’t hold the Taliban to any of the agreed to terms, and just surrendered without telling any of our allies in the middle of the night

Yes the UN approved the agreement. Press Release | World leaders in Doha unite in call to action for more just and inclusive societies - United Nations Sustainable Development

 

[SweetTea]

NATO enables U.S. to spread our military power globally

A lot of good that does us if they won't let us use our own bases and time of need.

 

[TimFitz]

No he didn’t xiden ignored the agreement. He didn’t hold the Taliban to any of the agreed to terms, and just surrendered without telling any of our allies in the middle of the night

Yes the UN approved the agreement. Press Release | World leaders in Doha unite in call to action for more just and inclusive societies - United Nations Sustainable Development

Also false.

The Taliban weren't going to honor Trump's deal. It was a de facto commitment on our part to drop our allies in Kabul and let the Taliban have their way.

The link you provided never once mentions Afghanistan.

 

[struth]

Also false.

The Taliban weren't going to honor Trump's deal. It was a de facto commitment on our part to drop our allies in Kabul and let the Taliban have their way.

So you admit the Taliban ignored the deal, and xiden still surrendered…thanks

Yes xiden dropped our allies in Kabul and Europe that were helping us

So many people have died as a result of xiden’s surrender and frankly the blood is on the hands of people like you that put him there

 

[TimFitz]

And what is it's importance today, 2026?

Because it is a key element in American world leadership and has been since 1945.

When Trump became President in 2016, I predicted that he would betray the legacy of Roosevelt and Churchill, values that my father and millions like him fought for.

My prediction came true, and Trump has done everything he could to insult, denigrate, and betray our NATO allies.

And he is Putin's stooge.

Our allies don't trust Trump (and by extension, us).

And Trump earned it. (of course, no one trusts or believes him).

 

[Rawley]

Because it is a key element in American world leadership and has been since 1945.

When Trump became President in 2016, I predicted that he would betray the legacy of Roosevelt and Churchill, values that my father and millions like him fought for.

My prediction came true, and Trump has done everything he could to insult, denigrate, and betray our NATO allies.

And he is Putin's stooge.

Our allies don't trust Trump (and by extension, us).

And Trump earned it. (of course, no one trusts or believes him).

Ok, your hatred for the President is well known. But my question was what is the importance of NATO today, 2026

(BTW, NATO was founded in 1949)

 

[struth]

Because it is a key element in American world leadership and has been since 1945.

When Trump became President in 2016, I predicted that he would betray the legacy of Roosevelt and Churchill, values that my father and millions like him fought for.

My prediction came true, and Trump has done everything he could to insult, denigrate, and betray our NATO allies.

And he is Putin's stooge.

Our allies don't trust Trump (and by extension, us).

And Trump earned it. (of course, no one trusts or believes him).

Weird cause it didn’t exist until 1949

How has he done that?

How has he done that?

Who doesn’t? Was he held in contempt of one of them?