The 50 most developed countries in the world and Universal Healthcare.

[Dragonlady]

I didn't say that. I did say that the government can help the private sector. It can also help people and areas that the private sector often leaves behind.

The rich earn their money from the MARKET which they did not create, they were just born into it. I believe in helping protect and grow the market which means the rich must return a good portion of the earnings to do that since they profit the most from it. Its NOT punishment, its helping to keep the MARKET going so that there can be new Billionaires well into the future. We also want a competitive environment, not one where the rich are able to stamp out all competition through monopoly. One of the best things about capitalism is free and fair competition. The more competitive the market is the better. The Rich threaten that competition when they achieve to much power, and monopoly over certain markets, and use that advantage to crush competition to their personal benefit but to societies detriment.

your paragraph in bold could come directly from the communist manifesto. you, and they, want the government to regulate commerce and to choose winners and losers instead of letting the free market do it.

Nothing the government can ever do will make everyone equally successful, but it can make everyone equally miserable. Venezuela is the latest example of the result of the policies that you are pushing.

Suggesting that the government aid and support the MARKET is NOT Communism. Its the form of Capitalism promoted by Roosevelt and Truman as the opposite of Communism.

The goal is not to make everyone equally successful. The goal is to increase the wealth of the country without leaving people behind in poverty. Making sure a child is fed, safe, and has healthcare is NOT communism.

It's fucking communism. "Aiding" or "supporting" the market is not capitalism, moron. Roosevelt and Truman were a couple of fucking commies. They certainly loved hiring communists into their administrations.

They certainly were not communist. They did everything they could to save Capitalism from the march of Soviet Communism. Today we live in a world that was created by Roosevelt and Truman.

They did everything they could to destroy capitalism. Their administrations were infested with communist spies. FDR called Stalin "Uncle Joe" because he was fond of the ole mass murderer. Your last sentence is true, but it's the great tragedy of our age.

You are a total idiot without the good sense God gave a goose. THERE ARE NO COMMUNISTS IN THE USA. There are no communists ANYWHERE.

 

[danielpalos]

Suggesting that the government aid and support the MARKET is NOT Communism. Its the form of Capitalism promoted by Roosevelt and Truman as the opposite of Communism.

The goal is not to make everyone equally successful. The goal is to increase the wealth of the country without leaving people behind in poverty. Making sure a child is fed, safe, and has healthcare is NOT communism.

It's fucking communism. "Aiding" or "supporting" the market is not capitalism, moron. Roosevelt and Truman were a couple of fucking commies. They certainly loved hiring communists into their administrations.

They certainly were not communist. They did everything they could to save Capitalism from the march of Soviet Communism. Today we live in a world that was created by Roosevelt and Truman.

yep, the march to socialism was started by FDR, one of our worst presidents. Not one democrat of today would have dropped the bombs on Japan to end the war. gotta give Truman credit for that.

FDR is the greatest President the United States ever had. He rescued the country from the Great Depression and then won World War II. He turned the United States from a strong country into a superpower.

FDR was a disaster for this country.

lol. the right wing is clueless and Causeless. FDR is the left wing reason we have a First World economy.

 

[Redfish]

your paragraph in bold could come directly from the communist manifesto. you, and they, want the government to regulate commerce and to choose winners and losers instead of letting the free market do it.

Nothing the government can ever do will make everyone equally successful, but it can make everyone equally miserable. Venezuela is the latest example of the result of the policies that you are pushing.

Suggesting that the government aid and support the MARKET is NOT Communism. Its the form of Capitalism promoted by Roosevelt and Truman as the opposite of Communism.

The goal is not to make everyone equally successful. The goal is to increase the wealth of the country without leaving people behind in poverty. Making sure a child is fed, safe, and has healthcare is NOT communism.

It's fucking communism. "Aiding" or "supporting" the market is not capitalism, moron. Roosevelt and Truman were a couple of fucking commies. They certainly loved hiring communists into their administrations.

They certainly were not communist. They did everything they could to save Capitalism from the march of Soviet Communism. Today we live in a world that was created by Roosevelt and Truman.

yep, the march to socialism was started by FDR, one of our worst presidents. Not one democrat of today would have dropped the bombs on Japan to end the war. gotta give Truman credit for that.

FDR is the greatest President the United States ever had. He rescued the country from the Great Depression and then won World War II. He turned the United States from a strong country into a superpower.

horseshit, he extended the depression and started the move towards failed liberal policies. He is also indirectly responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor because he ignored the warnings that it was being planned by the Japanese. Actually Truman won WW2, not FDR. Truman dropped the bombs that saved millions of American and Japanese lives. Truman would be republican if he was alive today, so would Kennedy.
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[Redfish]

your paragraph in bold could come directly from the communist manifesto. you, and they, want the government to regulate commerce and to choose winners and losers instead of letting the free market do it.

Nothing the government can ever do will make everyone equally successful, but it can make everyone equally miserable. Venezuela is the latest example of the result of the policies that you are pushing.

Suggesting that the government aid and support the MARKET is NOT Communism. Its the form of Capitalism promoted by Roosevelt and Truman as the opposite of Communism.

The goal is not to make everyone equally successful. The goal is to increase the wealth of the country without leaving people behind in poverty. Making sure a child is fed, safe, and has healthcare is NOT communism.

It's fucking communism. "Aiding" or "supporting" the market is not capitalism, moron. Roosevelt and Truman were a couple of fucking commies. They certainly loved hiring communists into their administrations.

They certainly were not communist. They did everything they could to save Capitalism from the march of Soviet Communism. Today we live in a world that was created by Roosevelt and Truman.

They did everything they could to destroy capitalism. Their administrations were infested with communist spies. FDR called Stalin "Uncle Joe" because he was fond of the ole mass murderer. Your last sentence is true, but it's the great tragedy of our age.

You are a total idiot without the good sense God gave a goose. THERE ARE NO COMMUNISTS IN THE USA. There are no communists ANYWHERE.

Hmmm, Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, China, Nigeria, Those countries don't exist today? There is a communist political party in the usa, WTF is wrong with you?

 

[Redfish]

It's fucking communism. "Aiding" or "supporting" the market is not capitalism, moron. Roosevelt and Truman were a couple of fucking commies. They certainly loved hiring communists into their administrations.

They certainly were not communist. They did everything they could to save Capitalism from the march of Soviet Communism. Today we live in a world that was created by Roosevelt and Truman.

yep, the march to socialism was started by FDR, one of our worst presidents. Not one democrat of today would have dropped the bombs on Japan to end the war. gotta give Truman credit for that.

FDR is the greatest President the United States ever had. He rescued the country from the Great Depression and then won World War II. He turned the United States from a strong country into a superpower.

FDR was a disaster for this country.

Not according to the overwhelming majority of Americans and Historians. Elected President in 1932 and then re-elected three more times after that. Its incredible how far and fast the country came in just 13 years from 1932 to 1945. No greater Military and Economic victories. The start of the United States as the dominant country on earth.

made up history by far left liberal assholes, is not history. FDR was the reason for limiting presidents to 2 terms.

 

[bripat9643]

your paragraph in bold could come directly from the communist manifesto. you, and they, want the government to regulate commerce and to choose winners and losers instead of letting the free market do it.

Nothing the government can ever do will make everyone equally successful, but it can make everyone equally miserable. Venezuela is the latest example of the result of the policies that you are pushing.

Suggesting that the government aid and support the MARKET is NOT Communism. Its the form of Capitalism promoted by Roosevelt and Truman as the opposite of Communism.

The goal is not to make everyone equally successful. The goal is to increase the wealth of the country without leaving people behind in poverty. Making sure a child is fed, safe, and has healthcare is NOT communism.

It's fucking communism. "Aiding" or "supporting" the market is not capitalism, moron. Roosevelt and Truman were a couple of fucking commies. They certainly loved hiring communists into their administrations.

They certainly were not communist. They did everything they could to save Capitalism from the march of Soviet Communism. Today we live in a world that was created by Roosevelt and Truman.

They did everything they could to destroy capitalism. Their administrations were infested with communist spies. FDR called Stalin "Uncle Joe" because he was fond of the ole mass murderer. Your last sentence is true, but it's the great tragedy of our age.

You are a total idiot without the good sense God gave a goose. THERE ARE NO COMMUNISTS IN THE USA. There are no communists ANYWHERE.

Communist Party USA

 

[Redfish]

You guys scream over $5 billion for border security, yet see no problem with this-

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says

What would spending be for all private insurance during same time?

probably much less and the quality of care would be much better. Do you really want a VA type medical system for everyone? Do you really want some marginally intelligent GS5 in a cubicle in DC making your medical decisions for you? Because that is exactly what you would get from "medicare for all"

 

[Cecilie1200]

Actually, no we don't know that. In fact, the evidence suggests that sex education increases teen pregnancy rates.

Sorry, but educating teens about birth control and other matters involving sex, reduces teen pregnancy rates all across the world.

Prove it.

Teen Pregnancy rates in Europe are well below that in the United States. Children and Teens receive more sex education in Europe than they do in the United States.

Europe doesn't have a lot of ignorant peasants fresh across the border. Their culture makes it acceptable for them to get pregnant when they are 14 years old. Take blacks and Hispanics out of your survey, and you'll see pregnancy rates the same as Europe. Also note that they account for most of our infant mortality.

Take Blacks and Hispanics out of the survey? That is nearly 40% of the United States population.

Yes, but it leaves you actually comparing similar groups, instead of ignoring totally the fact that the US must deal with differences of ethnic group and culture that Europe does not.

And before you get your leftism in a knot, I'm not saying there's anything bad or inferior about those other ethnicities and cultures. I'm just saying that they are different, and those differences skew the numbers.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Ahhh, yes. Let us never forget that you're the king of "correlation equals causation. I'm just SURE it does! They happened at the same time, so it MUST!"

Educate YOURSELF, and maybe then we can stop having these infantile posts where you cite blank stats, and then triumphantly proclaim that XYZ caused them, just because you say it caused them.

Agreeing with you doesn't require "educating" myself; it would require lobotomizing myself. Thanks, but no.

You seem to be more interested in talking about ME, rather than the topic. Instead of talking about ME, why don't you post some statistics of your own that would support your point of view or refute the statistics I have posted in this thread.

I'm not the least bit interested in talking about you, but unfortunately, the pervasive you-ness of you keeps getting in the way of actually talking about the subject. Believe me, I'd much prefer if both of your brain cells got together in the same part of your skull and produced some sort of actual thought.
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Then stop coming into my thread and reading what I have to say. If I actually am what you claim I am, why would you waste another second reading anything or responding to anything I have to say? If my posts make you that upset, go somewhere else. Why spend your limited time reading and responding to my post if you really feel this way about them?

Not a fucking chance. There is no world where I intend to let you spout nonsense and lies as fact without making sure it's challenged. So your leftist game of "Win by default through playing dumb and frustrating everyone" won't work.

I have no expectation that you will ever gain an iota of intelligence, but I will at least fight to keep you from infecting others with your ignorance.

Great, have fun talking to yourself about these things.

Enjoy running away like a scalded bitch dog.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Education works. Not in every situation, but overall it will bring down the rate of obesity, just like sex education brings down the rate of teen pregnancy.

Education and Universal Healthcare are disparate things.

Education is something that happens throughout life in many different ways. Many people are educated about how to better take care of themselves by seeing doctors and other healthcare professionals.

IF they ask. You're assuming they're all dying to do so, and are somehow being utterly blocked from any and all contact with healthcare professionals. You're insane.

Living in poverty, living in low income areas, are barriers to improving ones health and education.

so how do we get people out of poverty? by giving them free stuff or by creating a job for them?

And teaching them to value the independence that comes from earning what you get. That's kind of an important component.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Education is something that happens throughout life in many different ways. Many people are educated about how to better take care of themselves by seeing doctors and other healthcare professionals.

IF they ask. You're assuming they're all dying to do so, and are somehow being utterly blocked from any and all contact with healthcare professionals. You're insane.

Living in poverty, living in low income areas, are barriers to improving ones health and education.

so how do we get people out of poverty? by giving them free stuff or by creating a job for them?

By expanding services to people in low income areas to help them get on their feet. Also many people who are poor are actually disabled or mentally ill. They need help in many ways and are not receiving it.

The other way of course is growing the economy. Boosting quarterly real GDP growth. Most economist agree that in order to get to sustained 3% real GDP growth annually, we need to increase immigration into the country and stop the war and deportation on so called "illegals". The United States is suffering an ever expanding labor shortage which is going to put a damper on economic growth which will only hurt the poor and middle class even more.

The United States also needs to raise taxes on the rich, their income, capital gains, property and estates, and reinvest that money in education and building economic growth in depressed areas.

You say you're not advocating for socialism, but that is exactly what you're advocating for. Democratic socialism. Where tax dollars aren't spent on war and corporate subsidies, but rather as an investment in the health, education and infrastructure for your nation, like every other first world country does.

Instead of insisting that everyone else match US military spending, why don't you REDUCE yours to the same level as everyone else?

Maybe because the rest of you self-satisfied, smug "first world" bitches don't pay so little for your militaries because you're "superior", but because you're hiding behind the US and congratulating yourselves yet again for being leeches on the country you then denigrate for protecting you.

Thanks for providing another example of how you mistake lazy parasitism for morality.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Ok, just a few points on your foolish post:

everyone wants to help people, not just socialist liberals.
no one in the USA is currently being denied medical care,
no one in the USA was denied medical care before obamacare
Life expectancy in the USA has declined because of drug use and suicide and abortions, not lack of medical care
government is the least efficient way to solve any issue, do you really want VA type care for everyone?
The USA is where new medical advances are being found, not the wonderful "50 most developed countries" as you claim
your "holier than thou" attitude is typical of liberals, you claim to love everyone, but express hate in every comment
socialism has never worked, and it has been tried in many places, the result is always tyranny, oppression, and murder.

01. I'm not a socialist liberal. I'm a Republican, Bush/McCain Republican. I've voted for straight Republican ticket in every election until 2016. Hillary Clinton was the first person I ever voted for who was not a Republican.

02. When you don't have health insurance, the hospital won't perform that expensive procedure on you. When the poor and lower class pay out of pocket for medical care, it often ruins them financially. Pharmacies when give you your medicine for free if you don't have the money to pay for it. Many people have to choose between eating food or taking their medication. THESE ARE ALL EXAMPLES OF DENIAL OF MEDICAL CARE AND IT IMPACTS LIFE EXPECTANCY!

03. Before Obamacare, more people suffered the situations seen in #2. No one should have to decide between paying for the care and upkeep of their family and whether to see the doctor or get a medical procedure. These are often difficult choices that people who are poor or lower class are faced with.

04. Life Expectancy has not actually declined in the United States but its only 34th in the world despite the fact that the United States spends more per person on medical care than any other country in the world. #1 spender on healthcare but only 34th in the world for life expectancy is a terrible record.

05. The United States Military is probably the most efficient and respected organization in the world. Its #1 at what it does, unlike the for profit healthcare industry in the United States that ranks at a dismal #34. There is no other institution in the United States that American citizens respect more than the United States military. Although the government is not the most successful and efficient on all issues or situations, it is in many areas and the United States Military is a bright shining example of this. Having the government take over U.S. healthcare will drive down cost, expand coverage to all citizens, and send U.S. life expectancy sky rocketing towards the top of the list.

06. New advances in medical technology continue all over the world and they won't stop with a change in the U.S. healthcare system. The people who discover and make the most advances are those dedicated to the science and helping people, NOT those who are dedicated to profiting off sick and dying people.

07. I've been called names dozens of times in this thread, and cursed at. I don't engage in that behavior in return. Advocating for my view point is not a form of hate towards anyone. Again, I'm a Republican, not a Democrat.

08. I've never suggested that the United States should become a socialist country. I still believe in the free market, Billionaires, and Big Business. But I don't believe in for profit healthcare. Healthcare should be regulated by the government because it will reduce cost, cover everyone, and increase life expectancy. I also believe that the top federal tax rate should return to 70% as it was always at or above in the United States from 1945 to 1980. Having a top federal tax rate does not make the country a socialist country. The United States was not a socialist country from 1945 to 1980.

09. Finally, even Richard Nixon advocated for Universal Healthcare.

nice rant, but not a word of fact in it, except the Nixon claim. But Nixon was run out of the whitehouse due to his own stupidity, hardly a person to be proud of.

Oh there were plenty of facts in there, and far more than anything you have offered up.

OK, lets just address your number 6. Medical advances. Give us a list of the recent medical advances that have come from countries with socialized medicine. Places like Russia, China, Denmark, Norway, Cuba. Then you can list the major medical facilities in those countries that compare with Mayo Clinic, MD Anderson, Cleveland clinic, Ochsner clinic, Sloan Kettering, etc.

I don't have a list, but the United States is not the only country in the world where people study medicine. That alone makes it impossible for the United States to be the only place in the world where medical advances are made. Yes, the United States has some wonderful clinics, but that does not change the fact that the United States is 34th in the world when it comes to life expectancy. Plus what is the real value of such Clinics if the poor in the United States cannot get medical care there?

Shifting goal posts again. Red says, "List recent medical advances from other countries", and U2 responds with, "Other countries study medicine". Must be nice to live in a fantasy world where you can just answer the questions you WISH were asked, instead of the ones which were actually asked.

As much as you squirm around, trying to avoid the fact, the United States leads the world in medical research and advances. Deal with it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I didn't say that. I did say that the government can help the private sector. It can also help people and areas that the private sector often leaves behind.

The rich earn their money from the MARKET which they did not create, they were just born into it. I believe in helping protect and grow the market which means the rich must return a good portion of the earnings to do that since they profit the most from it. Its NOT punishment, its helping to keep the MARKET going so that there can be new Billionaires well into the future. We also want a competitive environment, not one where the rich are able to stamp out all competition through monopoly. One of the best things about capitalism is free and fair competition. The more competitive the market is the better. The Rich threaten that competition when they achieve to much power, and monopoly over certain markets, and use that advantage to crush competition to their personal benefit but to societies detriment.

your paragraph in bold could come directly from the communist manifesto. you, and they, want the government to regulate commerce and to choose winners and losers instead of letting the free market do it.

Nothing the government can ever do will make everyone equally successful, but it can make everyone equally miserable. Venezuela is the latest example of the result of the policies that you are pushing.

Suggesting that the government aid and support the MARKET is NOT Communism. Its the form of Capitalism promoted by Roosevelt and Truman as the opposite of Communism.

The goal is not to make everyone equally successful. The goal is to increase the wealth of the country without leaving people behind in poverty. Making sure a child is fed, safe, and has healthcare is NOT communism.

It's fucking communism. "Aiding" or "supporting" the market is not capitalism, moron. Roosevelt and Truman were a couple of fucking commies. They certainly loved hiring communists into their administrations.

They certainly were not communist. They did everything they could to save Capitalism from the march of Soviet Communism. Today we live in a world that was created by Roosevelt and Truman.

01. I'm not a socialist liberal. I'm a Republican, Bush/McCain Republican. I've voted for straight Republican ticket in every election until 2016. Hillary Clinton was the first person I ever voted for who was not a Republican.

02. When you don't have health insurance, the hospital won't perform that expensive procedure on you. When the poor and lower class pay out of pocket for medical care, it often ruins them financially. Pharmacies when give you your medicine for free if you don't have the money to pay for it. Many people have to choose between eating food or taking their medication. THESE ARE ALL EXAMPLES OF DENIAL OF MEDICAL CARE AND IT IMPACTS LIFE EXPECTANCY!

03. Before Obamacare, more people suffered the situations seen in #2. No one should have to decide between paying for the care and upkeep of their family and whether to see the doctor or get a medical procedure. These are often difficult choices that people who are poor or lower class are faced with.

04. Life Expectancy has not actually declined in the United States but its only 34th in the world despite the fact that the United States spends more per person on medical care than any other country in the world. #1 spender on healthcare but only 34th in the world for life expectancy is a terrible record.

05. The United States Military is probably the most efficient and respected organization in the world. Its #1 at what it does, unlike the for profit healthcare industry in the United States that ranks at a dismal #34. There is no other institution in the United States that American citizens respect more than the United States military. Although the government is not the most successful and efficient on all issues or situations, it is in many areas and the United States Military is a bright shining example of this. Having the government take over U.S. healthcare will drive down cost, expand coverage to all citizens, and send U.S. life expectancy sky rocketing towards the top of the list.

06. New advances in medical technology continue all over the world and they won't stop with a change in the U.S. healthcare system. The people who discover and make the most advances are those dedicated to the science and helping people, NOT those who are dedicated to profiting off sick and dying people.

07. I've been called names dozens of times in this thread, and cursed at. I don't engage in that behavior in return. Advocating for my view point is not a form of hate towards anyone. Again, I'm a Republican, not a Democrat.

08. I've never suggested that the United States should become a socialist country. I still believe in the free market, Billionaires, and Big Business. But I don't believe in for profit healthcare. Healthcare should be regulated by the government because it will reduce cost, cover everyone, and increase life expectancy. I also believe that the top federal tax rate should return to 70% as it was always at or above in the United States from 1945 to 1980. Having a top federal tax rate does not make the country a socialist country. The United States was not a socialist country from 1945 to 1980.

09. Finally, even Richard Nixon advocated for Universal Healthcare.

nice rant, but not a word of fact in it, except the Nixon claim. But Nixon was run out of the whitehouse due to his own stupidity, hardly a person to be proud of.

Oh there were plenty of facts in there, and far more than anything you have offered up.

OK, lets just address your number 6. Medical advances. Give us a list of the recent medical advances that have come from countries with socialized medicine. Places like Russia, China, Denmark, Norway, Cuba. Then you can list the major medical facilities in those countries that compare with Mayo Clinic, MD Anderson, Cleveland clinic, Ochsner clinic, Sloan Kettering, etc.

I don't have a list, but the United States is not the only country in the world where people study medicine. That alone makes it impossible for the United States to be the only place in the world where medical advances are made. Yes, the United States has some wonderful clinics, but that does not change the fact that the United States is 34th in the world when it comes to life expectancy. Plus what is the real value of such Clinics if the poor in the United States cannot get medical care there?

so, no list, ok. our life expectancy is drastically reduced by gang violence, suicide, and abortion. Take those out of the stats and we are at the top.

You do realize that he has no clue how life expectancy is actually calculated, or what it means, right?

 

[Cecilie1200]

your paragraph in bold could come directly from the communist manifesto. you, and they, want the government to regulate commerce and to choose winners and losers instead of letting the free market do it.

Nothing the government can ever do will make everyone equally successful, but it can make everyone equally miserable. Venezuela is the latest example of the result of the policies that you are pushing.

Suggesting that the government aid and support the MARKET is NOT Communism. Its the form of Capitalism promoted by Roosevelt and Truman as the opposite of Communism.

The goal is not to make everyone equally successful. The goal is to increase the wealth of the country without leaving people behind in poverty. Making sure a child is fed, safe, and has healthcare is NOT communism.

It's fucking communism. "Aiding" or "supporting" the market is not capitalism, moron. Roosevelt and Truman were a couple of fucking commies. They certainly loved hiring communists into their administrations.

They certainly were not communist. They did everything they could to save Capitalism from the march of Soviet Communism. Today we live in a world that was created by Roosevelt and Truman.

yep, the march to socialism was started by FDR, one of our worst presidents. Not one democrat of today would have dropped the bombs on Japan to end the war. gotta give Truman credit for that.

FDR is the greatest President the United States ever had. He rescued the country from the Great Depression and then won World War II. He turned the United States from a strong country into a superpower.

1) FDR prolonged the Great Depression, and he was well out of office when its effects finally began to subside.

2) FDR was also not in office when WWII was won, so he most certainly was not the one who won it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You guys scream over $5 billion for border security, yet see no problem with this-

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says

What would spending be for all private insurance during same time?

Not sure what your point is, given that the difference is between people paying themselves for their own shit, and some people paying for everyone's shit while others just do nothing.

 

[Cecilie1200]

It's fucking communism. "Aiding" or "supporting" the market is not capitalism, moron. Roosevelt and Truman were a couple of fucking commies. They certainly loved hiring communists into their administrations.

They certainly were not communist. They did everything they could to save Capitalism from the march of Soviet Communism. Today we live in a world that was created by Roosevelt and Truman.

yep, the march to socialism was started by FDR, one of our worst presidents. Not one democrat of today would have dropped the bombs on Japan to end the war. gotta give Truman credit for that.

FDR is the greatest President the United States ever had. He rescued the country from the Great Depression and then won World War II. He turned the United States from a strong country into a superpower.

FDR was a disaster for this country.

Not according to the overwhelming majority of Americans and Historians. Elected President in 1932 and then re-elected three more times after that. Its incredible how far and fast the country came in just 13 years from 1932 to 1945. No greater Military and Economic victories. The start of the United States as the dominant country on earth.

"The overwhelming majority of Americans and historians" = People I listen to because they agree with me, without acknowledging the existence of anyone who disagrees.

Actually, with you, it's probably more a matter of "I read somewhere that someone thought that, and I'm JUST SURE that everyone agrees."

There's a big difference between what people thought was a good idea then, and what people think now when they can look back with more perspective and information.

 

[Cecilie1200]

your paragraph in bold could come directly from the communist manifesto. you, and they, want the government to regulate commerce and to choose winners and losers instead of letting the free market do it.

Nothing the government can ever do will make everyone equally successful, but it can make everyone equally miserable. Venezuela is the latest example of the result of the policies that you are pushing.

Suggesting that the government aid and support the MARKET is NOT Communism. Its the form of Capitalism promoted by Roosevelt and Truman as the opposite of Communism.

The goal is not to make everyone equally successful. The goal is to increase the wealth of the country without leaving people behind in poverty. Making sure a child is fed, safe, and has healthcare is NOT communism.

It's fucking communism. "Aiding" or "supporting" the market is not capitalism, moron. Roosevelt and Truman were a couple of fucking commies. They certainly loved hiring communists into their administrations.

They certainly were not communist. They did everything they could to save Capitalism from the march of Soviet Communism. Today we live in a world that was created by Roosevelt and Truman.

They did everything they could to destroy capitalism. Their administrations were infested with communist spies. FDR called Stalin "Uncle Joe" because he was fond of the ole mass murderer. Your last sentence is true, but it's the great tragedy of our age.

You are a total idiot without the good sense God gave a goose. THERE ARE NO COMMUNISTS IN THE USA. There are no communists ANYWHERE.

Communist Party USA - Wikipedia

You might want to tell THEM that, Madame "I'm an expert on other countries because my ignorant fantasies trump facts".

 

[U2Edge]

Suggesting that the government aid and support the MARKET is NOT Communism. Its the form of Capitalism promoted by Roosevelt and Truman as the opposite of Communism.

The goal is not to make everyone equally successful. The goal is to increase the wealth of the country without leaving people behind in poverty. Making sure a child is fed, safe, and has healthcare is NOT communism.

It's fucking communism. "Aiding" or "supporting" the market is not capitalism, moron. Roosevelt and Truman were a couple of fucking commies. They certainly loved hiring communists into their administrations.

They certainly were not communist. They did everything they could to save Capitalism from the march of Soviet Communism. Today we live in a world that was created by Roosevelt and Truman.

yep, the march to socialism was started by FDR, one of our worst presidents. Not one democrat of today would have dropped the bombs on Japan to end the war. gotta give Truman credit for that.

FDR is the greatest President the United States ever had. He rescued the country from the Great Depression and then won World War II. He turned the United States from a strong country into a superpower.

horseshit, he extended the depression and started the move towards failed liberal policies. He is also indirectly responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor because he ignored the warnings that it was being planned by the Japanese. Actually Truman won WW2, not FDR. Truman dropped the bombs that saved millions of American and Japanese lives. Truman would be republican if he was alive today, so would Kennedy.
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Truman and Kennedy would be Bush/McCain Republicans, but NOT Trump Republicans.

Roosevelt could not use the Atomic Bomb because it was not ready yet in April of 1945. Germany was only 3 weeks from surrender when Roosevelt died and Japan was only 4 months. It was Roosevelt who pushed for and did most of the work in developing the Atomic Bomb.

Roosevelt wanted to get involved in World War II from the start in 1939, but was held back by congress. 10s of millions of lives could have been saved if the United States had entered the war 2 and a half years earlier.

 

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They certainly were not communist. They did everything they could to save Capitalism from the march of Soviet Communism. Today we live in a world that was created by Roosevelt and Truman.

yep, the march to socialism was started by FDR, one of our worst presidents. Not one democrat of today would have dropped the bombs on Japan to end the war. gotta give Truman credit for that.

FDR is the greatest President the United States ever had. He rescued the country from the Great Depression and then won World War II. He turned the United States from a strong country into a superpower.

FDR was a disaster for this country.

Not according to the overwhelming majority of Americans and Historians. Elected President in 1932 and then re-elected three more times after that. Its incredible how far and fast the country came in just 13 years from 1932 to 1945. No greater Military and Economic victories. The start of the United States as the dominant country on earth.

made up history by far left liberal assholes, is not history. FDR was the reason for limiting presidents to 2 terms.

Which was a big mistake since the United States is a Democracy where the PEOPLE should decide each election cycle who they want to be sitting in the White House. Its stupid to prevent the most talented people from being able to run for office. Don't let lawmakers decide who gets to run for President, LET THE PEOPLE decide when they vote!

Nixon, Reagan, and both Bush's think FDR was one of the greatest Presidents the United States ever add. They are Republicans, not far left liberals.

 

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It's fucking communism. "Aiding" or "supporting" the market is not capitalism, moron. Roosevelt and Truman were a couple of fucking commies. They certainly loved hiring communists into their administrations.

They certainly were not communist. They did everything they could to save Capitalism from the march of Soviet Communism. Today we live in a world that was created by Roosevelt and Truman.

yep, the march to socialism was started by FDR, one of our worst presidents. Not one democrat of today would have dropped the bombs on Japan to end the war. gotta give Truman credit for that.

FDR is the greatest President the United States ever had. He rescued the country from the Great Depression and then won World War II. He turned the United States from a strong country into a superpower.

horseshit, he extended the depression and started the move towards failed liberal policies. He is also indirectly responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor because he ignored the warnings that it was being planned by the Japanese. Actually Truman won WW2, not FDR. Truman dropped the bombs that saved millions of American and Japanese lives. Truman would be republican if he was alive today, so would Kennedy.
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Truman and Kennedy would be Bush/McCain Republicans, but NOT Trump Republicans.

Roosevelt could not use the Atomic Bomb because it was not ready yet in April of 1945. Germany was only 3 weeks from surrender when Roosevelt died and Japan was only 4 months. It was Roosevelt who pushed for and did most of the work in developing the Atomic Bomb.

Roosevelt wanted to get involved in World War II from the start in 1939, but was held back by congress. 10s of millions of lives could have been saved if the United States had entered the war 2 and a half years earlier.

You're just admitting that Roosevelt was elected under false pretenses. He campaigned on keeping the USA out of the war. He was lying from the get-go. Of course, Republicans already knew that, but Democrats are too fucking stupid to understand they were voting for a snake.