The 50 most developed countries in the world and Universal Healthcare.

You guys scream over $5 billion for border security, yet see no problem with this-

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says


What would spending be for all private insurance during same time?


probably much less and the quality of care would be much better. Do you really want a VA type medical system for everyone? Do you really want some marginally intelligent GS5 in a cubicle in DC making your medical decisions for you? Because that is exactly what you would get from "medicare for all"

Far better to have them making decisions rather than the current system where people are profiting off the sick and the dying. Wealthiest country in the world, yet we are 34th in life expectancy.
 
yep, the march to socialism was started by FDR, one of our worst presidents. Not one democrat of today would have dropped the bombs on Japan to end the war. gotta give Truman credit for that.

FDR is the greatest President the United States ever had. He rescued the country from the Great Depression and then won World War II. He turned the United States from a strong country into a superpower.
FDR was a disaster for this country.

Not according to the overwhelming majority of Americans and Historians. Elected President in 1932 and then re-elected three more times after that. Its incredible how far and fast the country came in just 13 years from 1932 to 1945. No greater Military and Economic victories. The start of the United States as the dominant country on earth.


made up history by far left liberal assholes, is not history. FDR was the reason for limiting presidents to 2 terms.

Which was a big mistake since the United States is a Democracy where the PEOPLE should decide each election cycle who they want to be sitting in the White House. Its stupid to prevent the most talented people from being able to run for office. Don't let lawmakers decide who gets to run for President, LET THE PEOPLE decide when they vote!

Nixon, Reagan, and both Bush's think FDR was one of the greatest Presidents the United States ever add. They are Republicans, not far left liberals.
By "talented people" you mean the most unscrupulous ruthless snakes.
 
You guys scream over $5 billion for border security, yet see no problem with this-

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says


What would spending be for all private insurance during same time?


probably much less and the quality of care would be much better. Do you really want a VA type medical system for everyone? Do you really want some marginally intelligent GS5 in a cubicle in DC making your medical decisions for you? Because that is exactly what you would get from "medicare for all"

Far better to have them making decisions rather than the current system where people are profiting off the sick and the dying. Wealthiest country in the world, yet we are 34th in life expectancy.
No it isn't far better. It's far worse.

You keep repeating that life expectancy statistic like a mantra even though numerous people have already debunked it.
 
They certainly were not communist. They did everything they could to save Capitalism from the march of Soviet Communism. Today we live in a world that was created by Roosevelt and Truman.


yep, the march to socialism was started by FDR, one of our worst presidents. Not one democrat of today would have dropped the bombs on Japan to end the war. gotta give Truman credit for that.

FDR is the greatest President the United States ever had. He rescued the country from the Great Depression and then won World War II. He turned the United States from a strong country into a superpower.


horseshit, he extended the depression and started the move towards failed liberal policies. He is also indirectly responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor because he ignored the warnings that it was being planned by the Japanese. Actually Truman won WW2, not FDR. Truman dropped the bombs that saved millions of American and Japanese lives. Truman would be republican if he was alive today, so would Kennedy.
i

Truman and Kennedy would be Bush/McCain Republicans, but NOT Trump Republicans.

Roosevelt could not use the Atomic Bomb because it was not ready yet in April of 1945. Germany was only 3 weeks from surrender when Roosevelt died and Japan was only 4 months. It was Roosevelt who pushed for and did most of the work in developing the Atomic Bomb.

Roosevelt wanted to get involved in World War II from the start in 1939, but was held back by congress. 10s of millions of lives could have been saved if the United States had entered the war 2 and a half years earlier.
You're just admitting that Roosevelt was elected under false pretenses. He campaigned on keeping the USA out of the war. He was lying from the get-go. Of course, Republicans already knew that, but Democrats are too fucking stupid to understand they were voting for a snake.

It was Woodrow Wilson who campaigned on keeping the United States out of war. There was NOTHING nearly as explicit as that in 1940 when Roosevelt ran for re-election. In fact, before the election, Roosevelt started the draft in September 1940 which would last until June 30, 1973.
Isolationist in America in 1940 were essentially supporting the Axis powers. Keeping America out of the war benefited the Axis.
 
FDR is the greatest President the United States ever had. He rescued the country from the Great Depression and then won World War II. He turned the United States from a strong country into a superpower.
FDR was a disaster for this country.

Not according to the overwhelming majority of Americans and Historians. Elected President in 1932 and then re-elected three more times after that. Its incredible how far and fast the country came in just 13 years from 1932 to 1945. No greater Military and Economic victories. The start of the United States as the dominant country on earth.


made up history by far left liberal assholes, is not history. FDR was the reason for limiting presidents to 2 terms.

Which was a big mistake since the United States is a Democracy where the PEOPLE should decide each election cycle who they want to be sitting in the White House. Its stupid to prevent the most talented people from being able to run for office. Don't let lawmakers decide who gets to run for President, LET THE PEOPLE decide when they vote!

Nixon, Reagan, and both Bush's think FDR was one of the greatest Presidents the United States ever add. They are Republicans, not far left liberals.
By "talented people" you mean the most unscrupulous ruthless snakes.

No, I mean perhaps the greatest President the United States has ever had, FDR.
 
You guys scream over $5 billion for border security, yet see no problem with this-

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says


What would spending be for all private insurance during same time?


probably much less and the quality of care would be much better. Do you really want a VA type medical system for everyone? Do you really want some marginally intelligent GS5 in a cubicle in DC making your medical decisions for you? Because that is exactly what you would get from "medicare for all"

Far better to have them making decisions rather than the current system where people are profiting off the sick and the dying. Wealthiest country in the world, yet we are 34th in life expectancy.
No it isn't far better. It's far worse.

You keep repeating that life expectancy statistic like a mantra even though numerous people have already debunked it.

Simply claiming it is debunked or wrong does not make it so. It is an indisputable fact that the United States ranks at #34 in life expectancy despite being the wealthiest country in the world and spending more on healthcare than any other country in the world, even on per person basis.

FACT: Europeans live longer on average, spend less on healthcare, and cover every citizen. Those three things are indisputable.
 
yep, the march to socialism was started by FDR, one of our worst presidents. Not one democrat of today would have dropped the bombs on Japan to end the war. gotta give Truman credit for that.

FDR is the greatest President the United States ever had. He rescued the country from the Great Depression and then won World War II. He turned the United States from a strong country into a superpower.


horseshit, he extended the depression and started the move towards failed liberal policies. He is also indirectly responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor because he ignored the warnings that it was being planned by the Japanese. Actually Truman won WW2, not FDR. Truman dropped the bombs that saved millions of American and Japanese lives. Truman would be republican if he was alive today, so would Kennedy.
i

Truman and Kennedy would be Bush/McCain Republicans, but NOT Trump Republicans.

Roosevelt could not use the Atomic Bomb because it was not ready yet in April of 1945. Germany was only 3 weeks from surrender when Roosevelt died and Japan was only 4 months. It was Roosevelt who pushed for and did most of the work in developing the Atomic Bomb.

Roosevelt wanted to get involved in World War II from the start in 1939, but was held back by congress. 10s of millions of lives could have been saved if the United States had entered the war 2 and a half years earlier.
You're just admitting that Roosevelt was elected under false pretenses. He campaigned on keeping the USA out of the war. He was lying from the get-go. Of course, Republicans already knew that, but Democrats are too fucking stupid to understand they were voting for a snake.

It was Woodrow Wilson who campaigned on keeping the United States out of war. There was NOTHING nearly as explicit as that in 1940 when Roosevelt ran for re-election. In fact, before the election, Roosevelt started the draft in September 1940 which would last until June 30, 1973.
Isolationist in America in 1940 were essentially supporting the Axis powers. Keeping America out of the war benefited the Axis.
He's another congenital liar who promised to keep the US out of a war. Notice a pattern here?

"I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Boston, October 30 1939:
 
FDR was a disaster for this country.

Not according to the overwhelming majority of Americans and Historians. Elected President in 1932 and then re-elected three more times after that. Its incredible how far and fast the country came in just 13 years from 1932 to 1945. No greater Military and Economic victories. The start of the United States as the dominant country on earth.


made up history by far left liberal assholes, is not history. FDR was the reason for limiting presidents to 2 terms.

Which was a big mistake since the United States is a Democracy where the PEOPLE should decide each election cycle who they want to be sitting in the White House. Its stupid to prevent the most talented people from being able to run for office. Don't let lawmakers decide who gets to run for President, LET THE PEOPLE decide when they vote!

Nixon, Reagan, and both Bush's think FDR was one of the greatest Presidents the United States ever add. They are Republicans, not far left liberals.
By "talented people" you mean the most unscrupulous ruthless snakes.

No, I mean perhaps the greatest President the United States has ever had, FDR.

Right, an unscrupulous ruthless snake.
 
You guys scream over $5 billion for border security, yet see no problem with this-

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says


What would spending be for all private insurance during same time?


probably much less and the quality of care would be much better. Do you really want a VA type medical system for everyone? Do you really want some marginally intelligent GS5 in a cubicle in DC making your medical decisions for you? Because that is exactly what you would get from "medicare for all"

Far better to have them making decisions rather than the current system where people are profiting off the sick and the dying. Wealthiest country in the world, yet we are 34th in life expectancy.
No it isn't far better. It's far worse.

You keep repeating that life expectancy statistic like a mantra even though numerous people have already debunked it.

Simply claiming it is debunked or wrong does not make it so. It is an indisputable fact that the United States ranks at #34 in life expectancy despite being the wealthiest country in the world and spending more on healthcare than any other country in the world, even on per person basis.

FACT: Europeans live longer on average, spend less on healthcare, and cover every citizen. Those three things are indisputable.

Wiki says we are rated 31.

List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia

As we have pointed out countless times, life expectancy proves very little about a nation's healthcare, except that it has some basic minimal level.
 
What would spending be for all private insurance during same time?


probably much less and the quality of care would be much better. Do you really want a VA type medical system for everyone? Do you really want some marginally intelligent GS5 in a cubicle in DC making your medical decisions for you? Because that is exactly what you would get from "medicare for all"

Far better to have them making decisions rather than the current system where people are profiting off the sick and the dying. Wealthiest country in the world, yet we are 34th in life expectancy.
No it isn't far better. It's far worse.

You keep repeating that life expectancy statistic like a mantra even though numerous people have already debunked it.

Simply claiming it is debunked or wrong does not make it so. It is an indisputable fact that the United States ranks at #34 in life expectancy despite being the wealthiest country in the world and spending more on healthcare than any other country in the world, even on per person basis.

FACT: Europeans live longer on average, spend less on healthcare, and cover every citizen. Those three things are indisputable.

Wiki says we are rated 31.

List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia

As we have pointed out countless times, life expectancy proves very little about a nation's healthcare, except that it has some basic minimal level.

At least that is what you like to believe.
 
FDR is the greatest President the United States ever had. He rescued the country from the Great Depression and then won World War II. He turned the United States from a strong country into a superpower.


horseshit, he extended the depression and started the move towards failed liberal policies. He is also indirectly responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor because he ignored the warnings that it was being planned by the Japanese. Actually Truman won WW2, not FDR. Truman dropped the bombs that saved millions of American and Japanese lives. Truman would be republican if he was alive today, so would Kennedy.
i

Truman and Kennedy would be Bush/McCain Republicans, but NOT Trump Republicans.

Roosevelt could not use the Atomic Bomb because it was not ready yet in April of 1945. Germany was only 3 weeks from surrender when Roosevelt died and Japan was only 4 months. It was Roosevelt who pushed for and did most of the work in developing the Atomic Bomb.

Roosevelt wanted to get involved in World War II from the start in 1939, but was held back by congress. 10s of millions of lives could have been saved if the United States had entered the war 2 and a half years earlier.
You're just admitting that Roosevelt was elected under false pretenses. He campaigned on keeping the USA out of the war. He was lying from the get-go. Of course, Republicans already knew that, but Democrats are too fucking stupid to understand they were voting for a snake.

It was Woodrow Wilson who campaigned on keeping the United States out of war. There was NOTHING nearly as explicit as that in 1940 when Roosevelt ran for re-election. In fact, before the election, Roosevelt started the draft in September 1940 which would last until June 30, 1973.
Isolationist in America in 1940 were essentially supporting the Axis powers. Keeping America out of the war benefited the Axis.
He's another congenital liar who promised to keep the US out of a war. Notice a pattern here?

"I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Boston, October 30 1939:

Glad he went back on his "promise"!
 
probably much less and the quality of care would be much better. Do you really want a VA type medical system for everyone? Do you really want some marginally intelligent GS5 in a cubicle in DC making your medical decisions for you? Because that is exactly what you would get from "medicare for all"

Far better to have them making decisions rather than the current system where people are profiting off the sick and the dying. Wealthiest country in the world, yet we are 34th in life expectancy.
No it isn't far better. It's far worse.

You keep repeating that life expectancy statistic like a mantra even though numerous people have already debunked it.

Simply claiming it is debunked or wrong does not make it so. It is an indisputable fact that the United States ranks at #34 in life expectancy despite being the wealthiest country in the world and spending more on healthcare than any other country in the world, even on per person basis.

FACT: Europeans live longer on average, spend less on healthcare, and cover every citizen. Those three things are indisputable.

Wiki says we are rated 31.

List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia

As we have pointed out countless times, life expectancy proves very little about a nation's healthcare, except that it has some basic minimal level.

At least that is what you like to believe.
No, that is fact. I have demonstrated it in numerous ways.
 
horseshit, he extended the depression and started the move towards failed liberal policies. He is also indirectly responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor because he ignored the warnings that it was being planned by the Japanese. Actually Truman won WW2, not FDR. Truman dropped the bombs that saved millions of American and Japanese lives. Truman would be republican if he was alive today, so would Kennedy.
i

Truman and Kennedy would be Bush/McCain Republicans, but NOT Trump Republicans.

Roosevelt could not use the Atomic Bomb because it was not ready yet in April of 1945. Germany was only 3 weeks from surrender when Roosevelt died and Japan was only 4 months. It was Roosevelt who pushed for and did most of the work in developing the Atomic Bomb.

Roosevelt wanted to get involved in World War II from the start in 1939, but was held back by congress. 10s of millions of lives could have been saved if the United States had entered the war 2 and a half years earlier.
You're just admitting that Roosevelt was elected under false pretenses. He campaigned on keeping the USA out of the war. He was lying from the get-go. Of course, Republicans already knew that, but Democrats are too fucking stupid to understand they were voting for a snake.

It was Woodrow Wilson who campaigned on keeping the United States out of war. There was NOTHING nearly as explicit as that in 1940 when Roosevelt ran for re-election. In fact, before the election, Roosevelt started the draft in September 1940 which would last until June 30, 1973.
Isolationist in America in 1940 were essentially supporting the Axis powers. Keeping America out of the war benefited the Axis.
He's another congenital liar who promised to keep the US out of a war. Notice a pattern here?

"I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Boston, October 30 1939:

Glad he went back on his "promise"!
I'm not sure of that. Dealing with Hitler would have been easier than dealing with Stalin.
 
You guys scream over $5 billion for border security, yet see no problem with this-

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says


What would spending be for all private insurance during same time?


probably much less and the quality of care would be much better. Do you really want a VA type medical system for everyone? Do you really want some marginally intelligent GS5 in a cubicle in DC making your medical decisions for you? Because that is exactly what you would get from "medicare for all"

Far better to have them making decisions rather than the current system where people are profiting off the sick and the dying. Wealthiest country in the world, yet we are 34th in life expectancy.

WHY would it be far better? It's not because bureaucrats are likely to make better medical decisions. It could only be because you think that being "morally pure" by your standards is more important than being medically competent.

Personally, I don't much care about the motivations of my doctor, so long as he's a really good doctor. Call me crazy, but when I'm sick, I'm looking to use his skills, not to psychoanalyze him.

And "life expectancy!" still equals "automatic fail". So there's that.
 
You guys scream over $5 billion for border security, yet see no problem with this-

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says


What would spending be for all private insurance during same time?


probably much less and the quality of care would be much better. Do you really want a VA type medical system for everyone? Do you really want some marginally intelligent GS5 in a cubicle in DC making your medical decisions for you? Because that is exactly what you would get from "medicare for all"

Far better to have them making decisions rather than the current system where people are profiting off the sick and the dying. Wealthiest country in the world, yet we are 34th in life expectancy.
No it isn't far better. It's far worse.

You keep repeating that life expectancy statistic like a mantra even though numerous people have already debunked it.

Leftists never let facts get in the way of the narrative.
 
You guys scream over $5 billion for border security, yet see no problem with this-

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says


What would spending be for all private insurance during same time?


probably much less and the quality of care would be much better. Do you really want a VA type medical system for everyone? Do you really want some marginally intelligent GS5 in a cubicle in DC making your medical decisions for you? Because that is exactly what you would get from "medicare for all"

Far better to have them making decisions rather than the current system where people are profiting off the sick and the dying. Wealthiest country in the world, yet we are 34th in life expectancy.
No it isn't far better. It's far worse.

You keep repeating that life expectancy statistic like a mantra even though numerous people have already debunked it.

Simply claiming it is debunked or wrong does not make it so. It is an indisputable fact that the United States ranks at #34 in life expectancy despite being the wealthiest country in the world and spending more on healthcare than any other country in the world, even on per person basis.

FACT: Europeans live longer on average, spend less on healthcare, and cover every citizen. Those three things are indisputable.

FACT: Europeans pay more in taxes, have vastly longer wait times, and have castles dotting the countryside. Those three things are indisputable . . . and just as related as your facts.

FACT: Healthcare systems and life expectancy are unrelated in the first world. There is no number of times you will be able to shout "But life expectancy!!!!" which will change that.
 
I get why people want it and I am fine with it but you have to learn to crawl and walk before you run:
  1. In other countries where it exists, they are smaller AND education is basically free or inexpensive. In the US we have the best schools but it costs an average of $400k in tuition to become a doctor. Why would people still do that if they cannot get compensated for it and via Universal Care their compensation would be lower.
  2. We need to ban lobbyists. They are illegal in most of those countries. Lobbyists push for politicians to enable the insurance companies to make $$$. Under the ACA the insurance companies have seen record profits. For you bleeding heart leftists, this should be break even, correct?
  3. You have to raise taxes.
Until you fix the three above, debating Universal Healthcare is not practical. Learn to crawl and walk before you run. You just want to RUN RUN RUN!!!

I agree that our insurance system is broken. Insurance companies are profit driven and there are a ton of administrative costs to boot. There is a better solution but it is NOT Universal Healthcare because we cannot get there until we fix the aforementioned three items listed.

Unless the Left is OK with MDs having a 5% federal tax bracket for the life of their practice?
 
What would spending be for all private insurance during same time?


probably much less and the quality of care would be much better. Do you really want a VA type medical system for everyone? Do you really want some marginally intelligent GS5 in a cubicle in DC making your medical decisions for you? Because that is exactly what you would get from "medicare for all"

Far better to have them making decisions rather than the current system where people are profiting off the sick and the dying. Wealthiest country in the world, yet we are 34th in life expectancy.
No it isn't far better. It's far worse.

You keep repeating that life expectancy statistic like a mantra even though numerous people have already debunked it.

Simply claiming it is debunked or wrong does not make it so. It is an indisputable fact that the United States ranks at #34 in life expectancy despite being the wealthiest country in the world and spending more on healthcare than any other country in the world, even on per person basis.

FACT: Europeans live longer on average, spend less on healthcare, and cover every citizen. Those three things are indisputable.

Wiki says we are rated 31.

List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia

As we have pointed out countless times, life expectancy proves very little about a nation's healthcare, except that it has some basic minimal level.

Yes, if you live in a third-world country where there is virtually no modern medicine available, then that might make a difference to your life expectancy. Whatever leftist do-gooders from-a-distance like U2 might think, there is no place in the United States which is a third-world country. If they bothered to spend any time around the poor people they "care" so much about, they'd know that.
 
Truman and Kennedy would be Bush/McCain Republicans, but NOT Trump Republicans.

Roosevelt could not use the Atomic Bomb because it was not ready yet in April of 1945. Germany was only 3 weeks from surrender when Roosevelt died and Japan was only 4 months. It was Roosevelt who pushed for and did most of the work in developing the Atomic Bomb.

Roosevelt wanted to get involved in World War II from the start in 1939, but was held back by congress. 10s of millions of lives could have been saved if the United States had entered the war 2 and a half years earlier.
You're just admitting that Roosevelt was elected under false pretenses. He campaigned on keeping the USA out of the war. He was lying from the get-go. Of course, Republicans already knew that, but Democrats are too fucking stupid to understand they were voting for a snake.

It was Woodrow Wilson who campaigned on keeping the United States out of war. There was NOTHING nearly as explicit as that in 1940 when Roosevelt ran for re-election. In fact, before the election, Roosevelt started the draft in September 1940 which would last until June 30, 1973.
Isolationist in America in 1940 were essentially supporting the Axis powers. Keeping America out of the war benefited the Axis.
He's another congenital liar who promised to keep the US out of a war. Notice a pattern here?

"I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Boston, October 30 1939:

Glad he went back on his "promise"!
I'm not sure of that. Dealing with Hitler would have been easier than dealing with Stalin.

Stalin would have been easier to deal with if we hadn't had so many Democrats running interference for him.
 
You know it started dropping after Obamacare, and it’s aspirin solution...
You guys scream over $5 billion for border security, yet see no problem with this-

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says


What would spending be for all private insurance during same time?


probably much less and the quality of care would be much better. Do you really want a VA type medical system for everyone? Do you really want some marginally intelligent GS5 in a cubicle in DC making your medical decisions for you? Because that is exactly what you would get from "medicare for all"

Far better to have them making decisions rather than the current system where people are profiting off the sick and the dying. Wealthiest country in the world, yet we are 34th in life expectancy.
 

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