danielpalos
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We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.
The 50 most developed countries in the world and Universal Healthcare.
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Leo123
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Good point, they should drop the 'war on drugs' and give each and every American their money back so they can afford to see the medical professional of their choice.
danielpalos
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That is Why we have Government; it must be considered a natural, civil right under our form of Government.
Anathema
Crotchety Olde Man
Not at all. If these things are so fundamental to our form of Government, why aren’t they mentioned at all in the US Constitution?
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Kilroy2
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Wtf is a "Health care Company"? Hmm?
It's insurance, you dumbass! Insurance companies that have lobbyists that bribe state comptrollers to allow them to raise their premiums every year when often they shouldn't be.
That's how we got where we are today. 30-something years of politician bribing going unchecked.[/QUOTE]
Google is your friend and it will answer all that is and it seems to know what a heath care company is
granted it is insurance company is valid but if your looking for health care then it best to put that into a search just to narrow it down a little
The 10 Biggest Health Care Companies in the Fortune 500
It's insurance, you dumbass! Insurance companies that have lobbyists that bribe state comptrollers to allow them to raise their premiums every year when often they shouldn't be.
That's how we got where we are today. 30-something years of politician bribing going unchecked.[/QUOTE]
Google is your friend and it will answer all that is and it seems to know what a heath care company is
granted it is insurance company is valid but if your looking for health care then it best to put that into a search just to narrow it down a little
The 10 Biggest Health Care Companies in the Fortune 500
BuckToothMoron
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So essentially you don’t want to think about how to provide the healthcare (the hard part), you just want to complain about the problem (the easy part). Your weak and not worth my time.
Wyatt earp
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McRocket
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There are always jerks and incompetents in any business...you must know that.
The difference is your brother-in-law had a choice...he could go to another for-profit hospital (assuming he had the means/insurance). In single payer...he is trapped.
And, in a private hospital, he could document his treatment on his phone camera, put it online and get that jerk fired.
In a single payer hospital...he could whine till the cows come home...nothing would happen to that worker because customer service is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT in single-payer hospitals (again, unless you come across a kind person).
Single payer means customer satisfaction is IRRELEVANT...you are treated like a number. And you have no alternatives.
I know first hand with years of experience; you - I assume - do not.
Tell me this, please...what is wrong with full government healthcare for those who cannot afford it and private, for profit healthcare (that the government stays COMPLETELY out of, including insurance) for those who can afford it?
abu afak
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Moronic/empty claim/reply with NO rebuttal/NO meat compared to the data-rich post you 'replied' to You dumb Trolling Asshole
Number of the Week: U.S. Spends 141% More on Health Care - Real Time Economics - WSJ
By Mark Whitehouse // Wall St Journal
April 9, 2011 - Wall St Journal
141%: How much more the U.S. spends on health care, per person, than the average OECD nation
At a time when politicians in Washington are battling over — among other things — the future of the U.S. health-care system, it’s instructive to see just how well that system operates. According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, we’re doing a terrible job.
A new report finds that the U.S. spends far More on health care than any of the other 29 OECD nations, and gets Less health for its money. Annual public and private health-care spending in the U.S. stands at $7,538 per person, 2.41 times the OECD average and 51% more than the second-biggest spender, Norway. Meanwhile, average U.S. life expectancy is 77.9 years, Less than the OECD average of 79.4.
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Interestingly, the type of system doesn’t seem to matter much. Countries with state-run systems do about as well on average as countries with private systems. Among the things that do matter: Consumers need to have some skin in the game, through mechanisms such as co-payments; care needs to be well-coordinated among doctors’ offices, hospitals and nursing homes; providers of care need incentives to do a better job, such as pay for performance; and the price and quality of services should be better monitored and easier to see.
Many of those features are included in the health-care law the U.S. passed last year, though much has yet to be implemented."...."
At a time when politicians in Washington are battling over — among other things — the future of the U.S. health-care system, it’s instructive to see just how well that system operates. According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, we’re doing a terrible job.
A new report finds that the U.S. spends far More on health care than any of the other 29 OECD nations, and gets Less health for its money. Annual public and private health-care spending in the U.S. stands at $7,538 per person, 2.41 times the OECD average and 51% more than the second-biggest spender, Norway. Meanwhile, average U.S. life expectancy is 77.9 years, Less than the OECD average of 79.4.
[..........]
Interestingly, the type of system doesn’t seem to matter much. Countries with state-run systems do about as well on average as countries with private systems. Among the things that do matter: Consumers need to have some skin in the game, through mechanisms such as co-payments; care needs to be well-coordinated among doctors’ offices, hospitals and nursing homes; providers of care need incentives to do a better job, such as pay for performance; and the price and quality of services should be better monitored and easier to see.
Many of those features are included in the health-care law the U.S. passed last year, though much has yet to be implemented."...."
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danielpalos
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There is no immigration clause or wall building clause in our federal Constitution.
Our welfare clause is General not common.
Natural rights are acknowledged in State Constitutions and available in federal venues via Due Process.
Dragonlady
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I am a Canadian living in Canada, and I have never been treated "like a number" at any time. McRocket sounds like he used emergency rooms to provide "heath care". Yes you are treated like a number in the emergency room of a big city of hospital, because that's what you are. You are a faceless person who passes through their facility, never to be seen again.
danielpalos
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Congress has the Power to Tax, to solve the problems of our Republic.
danielpalos
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Better technology for triage makes more sense in those cases.
Dragonlady
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There is triage in the emergency rooms, and they do a good job, but it's health care at it's most impersonal. It's usually a patch job until you can see you PCP. And it's hardly a good snapshot of our health care system overall. The biggest problem we have is a shortage of PCP's. I didn't have a lot of choice of doctors when I moved here because few physicians are taking patients. The standard medical question I hear in town is "Do you know anyone who's taking new patients".
American hospitals and clinics hold job fairs in Canada for our doctors and nurses. Canadian tax payers invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in education for these people, and American hospitals swoop in and lure them south with more pay. Most stay in Canada, but enough do go to the US, that it impacts staffing here.
Americans hate paying for education for other people's children, but they have no compunctions about using Canadian taxpayers to staff their hospitals, because of the quality of eduation and training we have, and the fact that American's paid nothing to get these people ready for work.
Tommy Tainant
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Pay more and get less. That will catch on in the rest of the world.
danielpalos
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triage technology could be "as good as security technology" for some issues.
Olde Europe
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Yes, but paying double (per capita) is a small price to pay when, in turn, you can be assured Those People* are getting it, hard and fast.
*) Referring to Those who unwisely decided to be both un-rich, and un-healthy, not to mention ill-colored.
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