The 2nd Amendment gives all citizens the right to"bear arms".

[Blues Man]

it is the age where one can participate in the government.

It just doesn't seem like a serious question.

You know that no one here has ever said anything about a 12 year old buying a firearm.

the laws of the states are in consensus that no one under 18 may purchase any firearm and not one pro second amendment poster here has ever said that is unconstitutional

Many people call gun control regulations unconstitutional because it is infringing on our god given right to protect ourselves. They say that the constitution is there to define exactly what the government is allowed to do and anything that goes beyond that scope is unconstitutional.

I realize selling guns to 12 year olds isn’t an issue that people have brought up. That’s because it is common sense and both sides agree that 12 year olds should not be able to go buy guns. But when using the constitutional argument you don’t see an age defined like you do with voting age. The age requirements for gun purchasing are state and external laws. The same type of laws that gun advocates call unconstitutional.

I bring up the subject to highlight the law making process and explore what we think is acceptable and what we think is illegal. We are either a republic where states are allowed to make laws to keep the order and benefit the welfare of their people or we have been an unconstitutional republic for many many years.

I’m making the argument that if you are going to point to the constitution to say that gun rights shall not be infringed making all gun control measures illegal then you’d have to agree that by the constitution 12 year olds should be able to go buy guns with no questions asked. Otherwise you’d have to agree that states and lawmakers have the right to legislate regulations like a minimum age of purchase, background checks, auto bans etc.

If the age of majority was 12 you might have an argument but it's not and it has never been

We already have plenty of common sense gun laws. If you disagree then tell me which of the thousands of federal and/or state gun laws that are currently on the books aren't common sense.

Where does the constitution talk about the age of majority?

You have to be 18 to vote so to be considered an adult and responsible enough to vote you must be 18

True and that is specifically laid out in the constitution for voting rights. We also have the right to life and liberty. I hear the life right used for the unborn all the time. And certainly you agree that babies and children are provided constitutional rights... so the right to bare arms is considered by many as a god given right. Nowhere in the constitution does it say adult or set a minimum age to have this right. These are state laws that set these requirements. Are those laws legit or unconstitutional. You tell me

They are provided protections under the law but they have no rights

 

[Slade3200]

Thank you for being the first to give a direct answer and a reference. The 26th does point out a voting age and covers an Americans right to vote. It doesn’t say anything about the second amendment and our legal right to bare arms. Federal legislatures and states have further defined gun regulations according to what they think is right but many hardliners consider all those rules unconstitutional which is why I’m asking their thoughts about laws against selling guns to 12 year olds.

it is the age where one can participate in the government.

It just doesn't seem like a serious question.

You know that no one here has ever said anything about a 12 year old buying a firearm.

the laws of the states are in consensus that no one under 18 may purchase any firearm and not one pro second amendment poster here has ever said that is unconstitutional

Many people call gun control regulations unconstitutional because it is infringing on our god given right to protect ourselves. They say that the constitution is there to define exactly what the government is allowed to do and anything that goes beyond that scope is unconstitutional.

I realize selling guns to 12 year olds isn’t an issue that people have brought up. That’s because it is common sense and both sides agree that 12 year olds should not be able to go buy guns. But when using the constitutional argument you don’t see an age defined like you do with voting age. The age requirements for gun purchasing are state and external laws. The same type of laws that gun advocates call unconstitutional.

I bring up the subject to highlight the law making process and explore what we think is acceptable and what we think is illegal. We are either a republic where states are allowed to make laws to keep the order and benefit the welfare of their people or we have been an unconstitutional republic for many many years.

I’m making the argument that if you are going to point to the constitution to say that gun rights shall not be infringed making all gun control measures illegal then you’d have to agree that by the constitution 12 year olds should be able to go buy guns with no questions asked. Otherwise you’d have to agree that states and lawmakers have the right to legislate regulations like a minimum age of purchase, background checks, auto bans etc.

If the age of majority was 12 you might have an argument but it's not and it has never been

We already have plenty of common sense gun laws. If you disagree then tell me which of the thousands of federal and/or state gun laws that are currently on the books aren't common sense.

I’m not arguing against current gun laws... I’m arguing against those who call those laws unconstitutional because they infringe on our right to bare arms. I started the convo with bripat9643 and Rustic both of whom called gun laws unconstitutional and then refused to answer my question about age and have since ran away.

Children have no rights they never have there has not been a time in this country where a 12 year old was considered to be an adult

States have regulated the constraints on kids... when they can drive, drink, be tried as an adult etc. this has been accepted by our republic since its inception. This is why I’m pushing back against the notion that gun regulations are unconstitutional.

 

[Blues Man]

it is the age where one can participate in the government.

It just doesn't seem like a serious question.

You know that no one here has ever said anything about a 12 year old buying a firearm.

the laws of the states are in consensus that no one under 18 may purchase any firearm and not one pro second amendment poster here has ever said that is unconstitutional

Many people call gun control regulations unconstitutional because it is infringing on our god given right to protect ourselves. They say that the constitution is there to define exactly what the government is allowed to do and anything that goes beyond that scope is unconstitutional.

I realize selling guns to 12 year olds isn’t an issue that people have brought up. That’s because it is common sense and both sides agree that 12 year olds should not be able to go buy guns. But when using the constitutional argument you don’t see an age defined like you do with voting age. The age requirements for gun purchasing are state and external laws. The same type of laws that gun advocates call unconstitutional.

I bring up the subject to highlight the law making process and explore what we think is acceptable and what we think is illegal. We are either a republic where states are allowed to make laws to keep the order and benefit the welfare of their people or we have been an unconstitutional republic for many many years.

I’m making the argument that if you are going to point to the constitution to say that gun rights shall not be infringed making all gun control measures illegal then you’d have to agree that by the constitution 12 year olds should be able to go buy guns with no questions asked. Otherwise you’d have to agree that states and lawmakers have the right to legislate regulations like a minimum age of purchase, background checks, auto bans etc.

If the age of majority was 12 you might have an argument but it's not and it has never been

We already have plenty of common sense gun laws. If you disagree then tell me which of the thousands of federal and/or state gun laws that are currently on the books aren't common sense.

I’m not arguing against current gun laws... I’m arguing against those who call those laws unconstitutional because they infringe on our right to bare arms. I started the convo with bripat9643 and Rustic both of whom called gun laws unconstitutional and then refused to answer my question about age and have since ran away.

Children have no rights they never have there has not been a time in this country where a 12 year old was considered to be an adult

States have regulated the constraints on kids... when they can drive, drink, be tried as an adult etc. this has been accepted by our republic since its inception. This is why I’m pushing back against the notion that gun regulations are unconstitutional.

An age requirement to be considered an adult is not a gun regulation

 

[Slade3200]

Many people call gun control regulations unconstitutional because it is infringing on our god given right to protect ourselves. They say that the constitution is there to define exactly what the government is allowed to do and anything that goes beyond that scope is unconstitutional.

I realize selling guns to 12 year olds isn’t an issue that people have brought up. That’s because it is common sense and both sides agree that 12 year olds should not be able to go buy guns. But when using the constitutional argument you don’t see an age defined like you do with voting age. The age requirements for gun purchasing are state and external laws. The same type of laws that gun advocates call unconstitutional.

I bring up the subject to highlight the law making process and explore what we think is acceptable and what we think is illegal. We are either a republic where states are allowed to make laws to keep the order and benefit the welfare of their people or we have been an unconstitutional republic for many many years.

I’m making the argument that if you are going to point to the constitution to say that gun rights shall not be infringed making all gun control measures illegal then you’d have to agree that by the constitution 12 year olds should be able to go buy guns with no questions asked. Otherwise you’d have to agree that states and lawmakers have the right to legislate regulations like a minimum age of purchase, background checks, auto bans etc.

If the age of majority was 12 you might have an argument but it's not and it has never been

We already have plenty of common sense gun laws. If you disagree then tell me which of the thousands of federal and/or state gun laws that are currently on the books aren't common sense.

Where does the constitution talk about the age of majority?

You have to be 18 to vote so to be considered an adult and responsible enough to vote you must be 18

True and that is specifically laid out in the constitution for voting rights. We also have the right to life and liberty. I hear the life right used for the unborn all the time. And certainly you agree that babies and children are provided constitutional rights... so the right to bare arms is considered by many as a god given right. Nowhere in the constitution does it say adult or set a minimum age to have this right. These are state laws that set these requirements. Are those laws legit or unconstitutional. You tell me

They are provided protections under the law but they have no rights

You don’t think a kid has the right to life?

 

[Slade3200]

Many people call gun control regulations unconstitutional because it is infringing on our god given right to protect ourselves. They say that the constitution is there to define exactly what the government is allowed to do and anything that goes beyond that scope is unconstitutional.

I realize selling guns to 12 year olds isn’t an issue that people have brought up. That’s because it is common sense and both sides agree that 12 year olds should not be able to go buy guns. But when using the constitutional argument you don’t see an age defined like you do with voting age. The age requirements for gun purchasing are state and external laws. The same type of laws that gun advocates call unconstitutional.

I bring up the subject to highlight the law making process and explore what we think is acceptable and what we think is illegal. We are either a republic where states are allowed to make laws to keep the order and benefit the welfare of their people or we have been an unconstitutional republic for many many years.

I’m making the argument that if you are going to point to the constitution to say that gun rights shall not be infringed making all gun control measures illegal then you’d have to agree that by the constitution 12 year olds should be able to go buy guns with no questions asked. Otherwise you’d have to agree that states and lawmakers have the right to legislate regulations like a minimum age of purchase, background checks, auto bans etc.

If the age of majority was 12 you might have an argument but it's not and it has never been

We already have plenty of common sense gun laws. If you disagree then tell me which of the thousands of federal and/or state gun laws that are currently on the books aren't common sense.

I’m not arguing against current gun laws... I’m arguing against those who call those laws unconstitutional because they infringe on our right to bare arms. I started the convo with bripat9643 and Rustic both of whom called gun laws unconstitutional and then refused to answer my question about age and have since ran away.

Children have no rights they never have there has not been a time in this country where a 12 year old was considered to be an adult

States have regulated the constraints on kids... when they can drive, drink, be tried as an adult etc. this has been accepted by our republic since its inception. This is why I’m pushing back against the notion that gun regulations are unconstitutional.

An age requirement to be considered an adult is not a gun regulation

Of course it is if that law says one needs to be an adult to have the god given right to protect themselves with a firearm. The constitution sure doesn’t say that. It actually defines the age for voting rights and public office. That wasn’t just assumed, it was defined. Again, the constitution doesn’t have a clause about age of majority, that’s an external law

 

[basquebromance]

If we cannot rise to meet this moment, repeal the 2nd am, it won’t just be a political failure. It will be a moral one. It will mean that we accept the next inevitable tragedy

 

[basquebromance]

We have a huge problem with guns. Assault weapons — military-style firearms designed to fire rapidly — are a threat to our national security, and we should treat them as such...Anyone who pretends there’s nothing we can do is lying — and holding that view should be disqualifying for anyone seeking to lead our country

 

[martybegan]

No the states do not, the states have the NG which is under the government, and they will never fight the government nor will the right wing militias, as they will lose.

I would just ban assault weapons including the semi automatic pistols, that would settle it. I also would ban all magazines that hold more than 10 bullets, and no more than one on a person or in a vehicle.

There wasn't even a state when the 2nd Amendment was wrote.

Lol
The military is overwhelmingly pro second amendment they would never go against their own you stupid ass motherfucker....

My point is if you are fighting for the 2nd amendment why limit yourself to guns? Maybe larger more powerful arms scare you. You are just a bag of hot air.

Argumentum ad absurdum. When that is all you have, you don't really have an argument.

 

[martybegan]

The 2nd Amendment gives all citizens the right to"bear arms".
definition of arms
synonyms: weapons (of war), weaponry, firearms, guns, ordnance, cannon, artillery, armaments, munitions, instruments of war, war machines, military supplies, materiel
"arms and ammunition"

The states wanted to have the capability of having militias as a check on the Federal government.

Arms means all weapons of war the Federal government can have.

That is not happening in the 21st century. Since the 2nd amendment was written the majority of arms have been banned from possession by the citizens. We have restricted what citizens cannot have arms; felons.

Red tag laws, banning certain semi-automatic guns and background checks to own a gun is small time compared to the laws already on the books banning arms to be owned by citizens.

The Second Amendment doesn't 'give' anyone anything.

The Second Amendment right is inalienable.

Although inalienable, the right is not 'absolute.'

Government has the authority to place limits and restrictions on guns consistent with Second Amendment jurisprudence.

It is not a right to possess any weapon one wishes, to carry that weapon anywhere one wishes, in any manner one wishes.

So a 3-6 month waiting period and $500 to keep a fucking revolver in one's house is not infringement?

I don't expect a response from a drive by drivelling cuck like you.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

it is the age where one can participate in the government.

It just doesn't seem like a serious question.

You know that no one here has ever said anything about a 12 year old buying a firearm.

the laws of the states are in consensus that no one under 18 may purchase any firearm and not one pro second amendment poster here has ever said that is unconstitutional

Many people call gun control regulations unconstitutional because it is infringing on our god given right to protect ourselves. They say that the constitution is there to define exactly what the government is allowed to do and anything that goes beyond that scope is unconstitutional.

I realize selling guns to 12 year olds isn’t an issue that people have brought up. That’s because it is common sense and both sides agree that 12 year olds should not be able to go buy guns. But when using the constitutional argument you don’t see an age defined like you do with voting age. The age requirements for gun purchasing are state and external laws. The same type of laws that gun advocates call unconstitutional.

I bring up the subject to highlight the law making process and explore what we think is acceptable and what we think is illegal. We are either a republic where states are allowed to make laws to keep the order and benefit the welfare of their people or we have been an unconstitutional republic for many many years.

I’m making the argument that if you are going to point to the constitution to say that gun rights shall not be infringed making all gun control measures illegal then you’d have to agree that by the constitution 12 year olds should be able to go buy guns with no questions asked. Otherwise you’d have to agree that states and lawmakers have the right to legislate regulations like a minimum age of purchase, background checks, auto bans etc.

If the age of majority was 12 you might have an argument but it's not and it has never been

We already have plenty of common sense gun laws. If you disagree then tell me which of the thousands of federal and/or state gun laws that are currently on the books aren't common sense.

I’m not arguing against current gun laws... I’m arguing against those who call those laws unconstitutional because they infringe on our right to bare arms. I started the convo with bripat9643 and Rustic both of whom called gun laws unconstitutional and then refused to answer my question about age and have since ran away.

The biggest problem with selling to minors is the obligations of a contract. Sales can be rescinded if minors have no legal capacity to contract. Furthermore, that could add to the liability of the seller if he sells to a minor who misuses the firearm and harms someone else. An adult is presumed to know how to use a firearm safely.

.

I agree, to me the regulations are justified. But to those who believe that gun regulations are unconstitutional per the 2nd amendment I present this argument. I’m guessing you support the regulation of gun sales to minors even though it’s not stated in the constitution, so you’d also have to be open to other regulations that are made using the same legal process. Agreed?

I only said that selling to minors is problematic from a consent standpoint. Don't read too much into that. It's a problem that probably does not even require regulation.

.

 

[Rustic]

The 2nd Amendment gives all citizens the right to"bear arms".
definition of arms
synonyms: weapons (of war), weaponry, firearms, guns, ordnance, cannon, artillery, armaments, munitions, instruments of war, war machines, military supplies, materiel
"arms and ammunition"

The states wanted to have the capability of having militias as a check on the Federal government.

Arms means all weapons of war the Federal government can have.

That is not happening in the 21st century. Since the 2nd amendment was written the majority of arms have been banned from possession by the citizens. We have restricted what citizens cannot have arms; felons.

Red tag laws, banning certain semi-automatic guns and background checks to own a gun is small time compared to the laws already on the books banning arms to be owned by citizens.

The Second Amendment doesn't 'give' anyone anything.

The Second Amendment right is inalienable.

Although inalienable, the right is not 'absolute.'

Government has the authority to place limits and restrictions on guns consistent with Second Amendment jurisprudence.

It is not a right to possess any weapon one wishes, to carry that weapon anywhere one wishes, in any manner one wishes.

So a 3-6 month waiting period and $500 to keep a fucking revolver in one's house is not infringement?

I don't expect a response from a drive by drivelling cuck like you.

Progressives have zero commonsense

 

[bripat9643]

A 12 year old has never been considered an adult.

The Constitution in the 26th amendment states the age of 18 must be attained before one can participate in the vote.

A 12 year old has no legal standing as he is still under the guardianship of his parents

Thank you for being the first to give a direct answer and a reference. The 26th does point out a voting age and covers an Americans right to vote. It doesn’t say anything about the second amendment and our legal right to bare arms. Federal legislatures and states have further defined gun regulations according to what they think is right but many hardliners consider all those rules unconstitutional which is why I’m asking their thoughts about laws against selling guns to 12 year olds.

it is the age where one can participate in the government.

It just doesn't seem like a serious question.

You know that no one here has ever said anything about a 12 year old buying a firearm.

the laws of the states are in consensus that no one under 18 may purchase any firearm and not one pro second amendment poster here has ever said that is unconstitutional

Many people call gun control regulations unconstitutional because it is infringing on our god given right to protect ourselves. They say that the constitution is there to define exactly what the government is allowed to do and anything that goes beyond that scope is unconstitutional.

I realize selling guns to 12 year olds isn’t an issue that people have brought up. That’s because it is common sense and both sides agree that 12 year olds should not be able to go buy guns. But when using the constitutional argument you don’t see an age defined like you do with voting age. The age requirements for gun purchasing are state and external laws. The same type of laws that gun advocates call unconstitutional.

I bring up the subject to highlight the law making process and explore what we think is acceptable and what we think is illegal. We are either a republic where states are allowed to make laws to keep the order and benefit the welfare of their people or we have been an unconstitutional republic for many many years.

I’m making the argument that if you are going to point to the constitution to say that gun rights shall not be infringed making all gun control measures illegal then you’d have to agree that by the constitution 12 year olds should be able to go buy guns with no questions asked. Otherwise you’d have to agree that states and lawmakers have the right to legislate regulations like a minimum age of purchase, background checks, auto bans etc.

If the age of majority was 12 you might have an argument but it's not and it has never been

We already have plenty of common sense gun laws. If you disagree then tell me which of the thousands of federal and/or state gun laws that are currently on the books aren't common sense.

Where does the constitution talk about the age of majority?

The framers didn't put stuff like that in because it was a widely accepted social norm that no one in society would have questioned, sort of like the fact that marriage is a social arrangement between a man and a woman.

 

[bripat9643]

it is the age where one can participate in the government.

It just doesn't seem like a serious question.

You know that no one here has ever said anything about a 12 year old buying a firearm.

the laws of the states are in consensus that no one under 18 may purchase any firearm and not one pro second amendment poster here has ever said that is unconstitutional

Many people call gun control regulations unconstitutional because it is infringing on our god given right to protect ourselves. They say that the constitution is there to define exactly what the government is allowed to do and anything that goes beyond that scope is unconstitutional.

I realize selling guns to 12 year olds isn’t an issue that people have brought up. That’s because it is common sense and both sides agree that 12 year olds should not be able to go buy guns. But when using the constitutional argument you don’t see an age defined like you do with voting age. The age requirements for gun purchasing are state and external laws. The same type of laws that gun advocates call unconstitutional.

I bring up the subject to highlight the law making process and explore what we think is acceptable and what we think is illegal. We are either a republic where states are allowed to make laws to keep the order and benefit the welfare of their people or we have been an unconstitutional republic for many many years.

I’m making the argument that if you are going to point to the constitution to say that gun rights shall not be infringed making all gun control measures illegal then you’d have to agree that by the constitution 12 year olds should be able to go buy guns with no questions asked. Otherwise you’d have to agree that states and lawmakers have the right to legislate regulations like a minimum age of purchase, background checks, auto bans etc.

If the age of majority was 12 you might have an argument but it's not and it has never been

We already have plenty of common sense gun laws. If you disagree then tell me which of the thousands of federal and/or state gun laws that are currently on the books aren't common sense.

I’m not arguing against current gun laws... I’m arguing against those who call those laws unconstitutional because they infringe on our right to bare arms. I started the convo with bripat9643 and Rustic both of whom called gun laws unconstitutional and then refused to answer my question about age and have since ran away.

The biggest problem with selling to minors is the obligations of a contract. Sales can be rescinded if minors have no legal capacity to contract. Furthermore, that could add to the liability of the seller if he sells to a minor who misuses the firearm and harms someone else. An adult is presumed to know how to use a firearm safely.

.

I agree, to me the regulations are justified. But to those who believe that gun regulations are unconstitutional per the 2nd amendment I present this argument. I’m guessing you support the regulation of gun sales to minors even though it’s not stated in the constitution, so you’d also have to be open to other regulations that are made using the same legal process. Agreed?

Sales to minors were perfectly legal until only a few decades ago.

 

[Oddball]

The 2nd Amendment gives all citizens the right to"bear arms".

Wrong.

The 2nd Amendment affirms a right that already exists naturally.

 

[lennypartiv]

The NRA was all for gun control back in the 60's to keep guns out of the blacks hands.

More gun control laws like that would be a good thing.

The gun control laws proposed by Democrats today would be a bad thing.

 

[bripat9643]

Thank you for being the first to give a direct answer and a reference. The 26th does point out a voting age and covers an Americans right to vote. It doesn’t say anything about the second amendment and our legal right to bare arms. Federal legislatures and states have further defined gun regulations according to what they think is right but many hardliners consider all those rules unconstitutional which is why I’m asking their thoughts about laws against selling guns to 12 year olds.

it is the age where one can participate in the government.

It just doesn't seem like a serious question.

You know that no one here has ever said anything about a 12 year old buying a firearm.

the laws of the states are in consensus that no one under 18 may purchase any firearm and not one pro second amendment poster here has ever said that is unconstitutional

Many people call gun control regulations unconstitutional because it is infringing on our god given right to protect ourselves. They say that the constitution is there to define exactly what the government is allowed to do and anything that goes beyond that scope is unconstitutional.

I realize selling guns to 12 year olds isn’t an issue that people have brought up. That’s because it is common sense and both sides agree that 12 year olds should not be able to go buy guns. But when using the constitutional argument you don’t see an age defined like you do with voting age. The age requirements for gun purchasing are state and external laws. The same type of laws that gun advocates call unconstitutional.

I bring up the subject to highlight the law making process and explore what we think is acceptable and what we think is illegal. We are either a republic where states are allowed to make laws to keep the order and benefit the welfare of their people or we have been an unconstitutional republic for many many years.

I’m making the argument that if you are going to point to the constitution to say that gun rights shall not be infringed making all gun control measures illegal then you’d have to agree that by the constitution 12 year olds should be able to go buy guns with no questions asked. Otherwise you’d have to agree that states and lawmakers have the right to legislate regulations like a minimum age of purchase, background checks, auto bans etc.

If the age of majority was 12 you might have an argument but it's not and it has never been

We already have plenty of common sense gun laws. If you disagree then tell me which of the thousands of federal and/or state gun laws that are currently on the books aren't common sense.

Where does the constitution talk about the age of majority?

You have to be 18 to vote so to be considered an adult and responsible enough to vote you must be 18

Don't waste your time arguing with this troll. He's immune to logic and facts.

 

[Dick Foster]

The 2nd Amendment gives all citizens the right to"bear arms".
definition of arms
synonyms: weapons (of war), weaponry, firearms, guns, ordnance, cannon, artillery, armaments, munitions, instruments of war, war machines, military supplies, materiel
"arms and ammunition"

The states wanted to have the capability of having militias as a check on the Federal government.

Arms means all weapons of war the Federal government can have.

That is not happening in the 21st century. Since the 2nd amendment was written the majority of arms have been banned from possession by the citizens. We have restricted what citizens cannot have arms; felons.

Red tag laws, banning certain semi-automatic guns and background checks to own a gun is small time compared to the laws already on the books banning arms to be owned by citizens.

The Second Amendment doesn't 'give' anyone anything.

The Second Amendment right is inalienable.

Although inalienable, the right is not 'absolute.'

Government has the authority to place limits and restrictions on guns consistent with Second Amendment jurisprudence.

It is not a right to possess any weapon one wishes, to carry that weapon anywhere one wishes, in any manner one wishes.

Actually, yes it is. What part of "shall not be abridged" don't you understand?

What part of "The Second Amendment is not unlimited" do you not understand?

The Supreme Court determines what the Constitution means, including the Second Amendment.

To reject that fact is as ridiculous as it is wrong.

The supreme court absolutely does NOT determine what the constitution means, numbskull. The constitution says in clear language what it means and the supreme court is supposed to be bound by and to it. That's before the courts began to run amok and play the part of legislators to a political agenda. That is exactly what Trump has set out to reverse to get the judiciary back on track and operating within their constitutional bounds again.

 

[Slade3200]

Thank you for being the first to give a direct answer and a reference. The 26th does point out a voting age and covers an Americans right to vote. It doesn’t say anything about the second amendment and our legal right to bare arms. Federal legislatures and states have further defined gun regulations according to what they think is right but many hardliners consider all those rules unconstitutional which is why I’m asking their thoughts about laws against selling guns to 12 year olds.

it is the age where one can participate in the government.

It just doesn't seem like a serious question.

You know that no one here has ever said anything about a 12 year old buying a firearm.

the laws of the states are in consensus that no one under 18 may purchase any firearm and not one pro second amendment poster here has ever said that is unconstitutional

Many people call gun control regulations unconstitutional because it is infringing on our god given right to protect ourselves. They say that the constitution is there to define exactly what the government is allowed to do and anything that goes beyond that scope is unconstitutional.

I realize selling guns to 12 year olds isn’t an issue that people have brought up. That’s because it is common sense and both sides agree that 12 year olds should not be able to go buy guns. But when using the constitutional argument you don’t see an age defined like you do with voting age. The age requirements for gun purchasing are state and external laws. The same type of laws that gun advocates call unconstitutional.

I bring up the subject to highlight the law making process and explore what we think is acceptable and what we think is illegal. We are either a republic where states are allowed to make laws to keep the order and benefit the welfare of their people or we have been an unconstitutional republic for many many years.

I’m making the argument that if you are going to point to the constitution to say that gun rights shall not be infringed making all gun control measures illegal then you’d have to agree that by the constitution 12 year olds should be able to go buy guns with no questions asked. Otherwise you’d have to agree that states and lawmakers have the right to legislate regulations like a minimum age of purchase, background checks, auto bans etc.

If the age of majority was 12 you might have an argument but it's not and it has never been

We already have plenty of common sense gun laws. If you disagree then tell me which of the thousands of federal and/or state gun laws that are currently on the books aren't common sense.

Where does the constitution talk about the age of majority?

The framers didn't put stuff like that in because it was a widely accepted social norm that no one in society would have questioned, sort of like the fact that marriage is a social arrangement between a man and a woman.

They actually did put in the voting age minimum of 18.

 

[Slade3200]

Many people call gun control regulations unconstitutional because it is infringing on our god given right to protect ourselves. They say that the constitution is there to define exactly what the government is allowed to do and anything that goes beyond that scope is unconstitutional.

I realize selling guns to 12 year olds isn’t an issue that people have brought up. That’s because it is common sense and both sides agree that 12 year olds should not be able to go buy guns. But when using the constitutional argument you don’t see an age defined like you do with voting age. The age requirements for gun purchasing are state and external laws. The same type of laws that gun advocates call unconstitutional.

I bring up the subject to highlight the law making process and explore what we think is acceptable and what we think is illegal. We are either a republic where states are allowed to make laws to keep the order and benefit the welfare of their people or we have been an unconstitutional republic for many many years.

I’m making the argument that if you are going to point to the constitution to say that gun rights shall not be infringed making all gun control measures illegal then you’d have to agree that by the constitution 12 year olds should be able to go buy guns with no questions asked. Otherwise you’d have to agree that states and lawmakers have the right to legislate regulations like a minimum age of purchase, background checks, auto bans etc.

If the age of majority was 12 you might have an argument but it's not and it has never been

We already have plenty of common sense gun laws. If you disagree then tell me which of the thousands of federal and/or state gun laws that are currently on the books aren't common sense.

I’m not arguing against current gun laws... I’m arguing against those who call those laws unconstitutional because they infringe on our right to bare arms. I started the convo with bripat9643 and Rustic both of whom called gun laws unconstitutional and then refused to answer my question about age and have since ran away.

The biggest problem with selling to minors is the obligations of a contract. Sales can be rescinded if minors have no legal capacity to contract. Furthermore, that could add to the liability of the seller if he sells to a minor who misuses the firearm and harms someone else. An adult is presumed to know how to use a firearm safely.

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I agree, to me the regulations are justified. But to those who believe that gun regulations are unconstitutional per the 2nd amendment I present this argument. I’m guessing you support the regulation of gun sales to minors even though it’s not stated in the constitution, so you’d also have to be open to other regulations that are made using the same legal process. Agreed?

Sales to minors were perfectly legal until only a few decades ago.

Haha, so there ya go. Would you then say that the regulations that don’t allow sales to minors is unconstitutional?

 

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it is the age where one can participate in the government.

It just doesn't seem like a serious question.

You know that no one here has ever said anything about a 12 year old buying a firearm.

the laws of the states are in consensus that no one under 18 may purchase any firearm and not one pro second amendment poster here has ever said that is unconstitutional

Many people call gun control regulations unconstitutional because it is infringing on our god given right to protect ourselves. They say that the constitution is there to define exactly what the government is allowed to do and anything that goes beyond that scope is unconstitutional.

I realize selling guns to 12 year olds isn’t an issue that people have brought up. That’s because it is common sense and both sides agree that 12 year olds should not be able to go buy guns. But when using the constitutional argument you don’t see an age defined like you do with voting age. The age requirements for gun purchasing are state and external laws. The same type of laws that gun advocates call unconstitutional.

I bring up the subject to highlight the law making process and explore what we think is acceptable and what we think is illegal. We are either a republic where states are allowed to make laws to keep the order and benefit the welfare of their people or we have been an unconstitutional republic for many many years.

I’m making the argument that if you are going to point to the constitution to say that gun rights shall not be infringed making all gun control measures illegal then you’d have to agree that by the constitution 12 year olds should be able to go buy guns with no questions asked. Otherwise you’d have to agree that states and lawmakers have the right to legislate regulations like a minimum age of purchase, background checks, auto bans etc.

If the age of majority was 12 you might have an argument but it's not and it has never been

We already have plenty of common sense gun laws. If you disagree then tell me which of the thousands of federal and/or state gun laws that are currently on the books aren't common sense.

Where does the constitution talk about the age of majority?

You have to be 18 to vote so to be considered an adult and responsible enough to vote you must be 18

Don't waste your time arguing with this troll. He's immune to logic and facts.

Don’t be a soar loser Bri. Blues man has been doing a great job engaging in this debate. He stays on topic, sticks to substance and gives direct answers. You should take notes.