The 2nd Amendment doesn't prohibit regulation...

[martybegan]

Shall not be infringed.....

a well-regulated militia, dum dum

The States get the right to a Militia, the People get the RKBA.

Commas mean things.

and every judge before Antonin said they meant the opposite of what Antonin made up.

What’s both telling and amusing is that many – perhaps most – on the right have come to loath Heller and feel betrayed by Scalia, particularly the ignorant extremists who incorrectly believe the Second Amendment right is ‘absolute.’

not even the 1st amendment, which the founders saw as probably the cornerstone of democracy, is "absolutely".

this is the problem with rightiwngnuts.

Who is arguing for absolute 2nd amendment rights?

 

[martybegan]

The States get the right to a Militia, the People get the RKBA.

Commas mean things.

and every judge before Antonin said they meant the opposite of what Antonin made up.

What’s both telling and amusing is that many – perhaps most – on the right have come to loath Heller and feel betrayed by Scalia, particularly the ignorant extremists who incorrectly believe the Second Amendment right is ‘absolute.’

not even the 1st amendment, which the founders saw as probably the cornerstone of democracy, is "absolutely".

this is the problem with rightiwngnuts.

Sorry, Princess, the 2nd Amendment is the cornerstone upon which all other inalienable rights depend.

BS.... the 2nd was to help you DEFEND the government as part of a WELL-ORGANIZED MILITIA.\

it was never intended for a bunch of insane yahoos to use it against the gubmint.... if it were, the only criminal act defined in the constitution wouldn't be treason.

and again, even nutty Scalia said that guns could be regulated.... just not totally banned.

you're welcome.

Regulated does not mean "pass laws that on the books allow gun ownership, but in reality make it so impossible no one really tries"

That's what NYC has done with handguns, and why we don't trust assholes like you when all you say you want is "regulation"

 

[rightwinger]

and every judge before Antonin said they meant the opposite of what Antonin made up.

What’s both telling and amusing is that many – perhaps most – on the right have come to loath Heller and feel betrayed by Scalia, particularly the ignorant extremists who incorrectly believe the Second Amendment right is ‘absolute.’

not even the 1st amendment, which the founders saw as probably the cornerstone of democracy, is "absolutely".

this is the problem with rightiwngnuts.

Sorry, Princess, the 2nd Amendment is the cornerstone upon which all other inalienable rights depend.

BS.... the 2nd was to help you DEFEND the government as part of a WELL-ORGANIZED MILITIA.\

it was never intended for a bunch of insane yahoos to use it against the gubmint.... if it were, the only criminal act defined in the constitution wouldn't be treason.

and again, even nutty Scalia said that guns could be regulated.... just not totally banned.

you're welcome.

Regulated does not mean "pass laws that on the books allow gun ownership, but in reality make it so impossible no one really tries"

That's what NYC has done with handguns, and why we don't trust assholes like you when all you say you want is "regulation"

NYC has decided what gun regulations work best in their unique environment

It seems to be working

 

[martybegan]

What’s both telling and amusing is that many – perhaps most – on the right have come to loath Heller and feel betrayed by Scalia, particularly the ignorant extremists who incorrectly believe the Second Amendment right is ‘absolute.’

not even the 1st amendment, which the founders saw as probably the cornerstone of democracy, is "absolutely".

this is the problem with rightiwngnuts.

Sorry, Princess, the 2nd Amendment is the cornerstone upon which all other inalienable rights depend.

BS.... the 2nd was to help you DEFEND the government as part of a WELL-ORGANIZED MILITIA.\

it was never intended for a bunch of insane yahoos to use it against the gubmint.... if it were, the only criminal act defined in the constitution wouldn't be treason.

and again, even nutty Scalia said that guns could be regulated.... just not totally banned.

you're welcome.

Regulated does not mean "pass laws that on the books allow gun ownership, but in reality make it so impossible no one really tries"

That's what NYC has done with handguns, and why we don't trust assholes like you when all you say you want is "regulation"

NYC has decided what gun regulations work best in their unique environment

It seems to be working

They have had the same law on the books since the 60's.

It didn't work during the 70's 80's and early 90's that's for sure. Correlation is not causation, and during that period you didn't even haven correlation.

And if NYC can, in your opinion, ignore the 2nd amendment by asking for that waiting period and asking for those fees, why can't Alabama put a 1 week wait on abortions and a $100 fee for one?

 

[rightwinger]

not even the 1st amendment, which the founders saw as probably the cornerstone of democracy, is "absolutely".

this is the problem with rightiwngnuts.

Sorry, Princess, the 2nd Amendment is the cornerstone upon which all other inalienable rights depend.

BS.... the 2nd was to help you DEFEND the government as part of a WELL-ORGANIZED MILITIA.\

it was never intended for a bunch of insane yahoos to use it against the gubmint.... if it were, the only criminal act defined in the constitution wouldn't be treason.

and again, even nutty Scalia said that guns could be regulated.... just not totally banned.

you're welcome.

Regulated does not mean "pass laws that on the books allow gun ownership, but in reality make it so impossible no one really tries"

That's what NYC has done with handguns, and why we don't trust assholes like you when all you say you want is "regulation"

NYC has decided what gun regulations work best in their unique environment

It seems to be working

They have had the same law on the books since the 60's.

It didn't work during the 70's 80's and early 90's that's for sure. Correlation is not causation, and during that period you didn't even haven correlation.

And if NYC can, in your opinion, ignore the 2nd amendment by asking for that waiting period and asking for those fees, why can't Alabama put a 1 week wait on abortions and a $100 fee for one?

Let NYC decide how much gun regulation is best for their city

The gun rights of someone in Wyoming whose closest neighbor is a mile away does not need to apply to NYC who has a population bigger than the State of Wyoming in one square mile

 

[martybegan]

Sorry, Princess, the 2nd Amendment is the cornerstone upon which all other inalienable rights depend.

BS.... the 2nd was to help you DEFEND the government as part of a WELL-ORGANIZED MILITIA.\

it was never intended for a bunch of insane yahoos to use it against the gubmint.... if it were, the only criminal act defined in the constitution wouldn't be treason.

and again, even nutty Scalia said that guns could be regulated.... just not totally banned.

you're welcome.

Regulated does not mean "pass laws that on the books allow gun ownership, but in reality make it so impossible no one really tries"

That's what NYC has done with handguns, and why we don't trust assholes like you when all you say you want is "regulation"

NYC has decided what gun regulations work best in their unique environment

It seems to be working

They have had the same law on the books since the 60's.

It didn't work during the 70's 80's and early 90's that's for sure. Correlation is not causation, and during that period you didn't even haven correlation.

And if NYC can, in your opinion, ignore the 2nd amendment by asking for that waiting period and asking for those fees, why can't Alabama put a 1 week wait on abortions and a $100 fee for one?

Let NYC decide how much gun regulation is best for their city

The gun rights of someone in Wyoming whose closest neighbor is a mile away does not need to apply to NYC who has a population bigger than the State of Wyoming in one square mile

Let Alabama decide how much abortion regulation is best for their State, right?

Again, why can NYC decide to make me wait 3-6 months and pay $600 in fees for a handgun?

Answer the question.

And your wyoming quip would make more sense if long bolt action rifles were the target of this law, but they are not, and they are actually easier to get, but far more dangerous to a person's neighbors.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Shall not be infringed.....

a well-regulated militia, dum dum

The States get the right to a Militia, the People get the RKBA.

Commas mean things.

that isn't how it was written and isn't how it was intented. and every judge until scalia knew that.

but we can pretend.

either way, even wacky Heller says only total bans are outlawed.

funny how wackos think guns are more important than free speech and freedom of religion

Progressives Will never be able to interpret the Second Amendment right, it’s beyond their understanding…

I think it's actually just that it says something they don't want to acknowledge, and it's never going to say what they want.

 

[martybegan]

Shall not be infringed.....

a well-regulated militia, dum dum

The States get the right to a Militia, the People get the RKBA.

Commas mean things.

that isn't how it was written and isn't how it was intented. and every judge until scalia knew that.

but we can pretend.

either way, even wacky Heller says only total bans are outlawed.

funny how wackos think guns are more important than free speech and freedom of religion

Progressives Will never be able to interpret the Second Amendment right, it’s beyond their understanding…

I think it's actually just that it says something they don't want to acknowledge, and it's never going to say what they want.

What they want is the 2nd amendment gone, but they know that will never happen. So they pretend it means something else besides RKBA in an attempt to nullify it via court actions.

Ironically, the fact they have to use end runs around it proves they know exactly what it means, because of their desire to repeal it.

 

[Crixus]

In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

So do you have specific excampls on what the NRA did or are you just repeating what you herd on the news? Please show us one instance where the NRA existing enabled a mass shooting.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

BS.... the 2nd was to help you DEFEND the government as part of a WELL-ORGANIZED MILITIA.\

it was never intended for a bunch of insane yahoos to use it against the gubmint.... if it were, the only criminal act defined in the constitution wouldn't be treason.

and again, even nutty Scalia said that guns could be regulated.... just not totally banned.

you're welcome.

Regulated does not mean "pass laws that on the books allow gun ownership, but in reality make it so impossible no one really tries"

That's what NYC has done with handguns, and why we don't trust assholes like you when all you say you want is "regulation"

NYC has decided what gun regulations work best in their unique environment

It seems to be working

They have had the same law on the books since the 60's.

It didn't work during the 70's 80's and early 90's that's for sure. Correlation is not causation, and during that period you didn't even haven correlation.

And if NYC can, in your opinion, ignore the 2nd amendment by asking for that waiting period and asking for those fees, why can't Alabama put a 1 week wait on abortions and a $100 fee for one?

Let NYC decide how much gun regulation is best for their city

The gun rights of someone in Wyoming whose closest neighbor is a mile away does not need to apply to NYC who has a population bigger than the State of Wyoming in one square mile

Let Alabama decide how much abortion regulation is best for their State, right?

Again, why can NYC decide to make me wait 3-6 months and pay $600 in fees for a handgun?

Answer the question.

And your wyoming quip would make more sense if long bolt action rifles were the target of this law, but they are not, and they are actually easier to get, but far more dangerous to a person's neighbors.

This fails as a false comparison fallacy.

No one seeks to ban all firearms, unlike most on the right who seek to ban abortions, in violation of the Constitution.

 

[skews13]

Shall not be infringed.....

Well regulated

All of the words matter not just the ones you like

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Shall not be infringed.....

Well regulated

All of the words matter not just the ones you like

You're clueless on the Second....and generally most everything else. In fact I've been considering sending you to ignore to avoid the headache of reading your garbage

 

[skews13]

Shall not be infringed.....

Infringed, not a synonym for regulation.

Shall not be infringed..regulation would be an infringement

The Supreme Court disagrees with you and their opinion is the only one that counts

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Shall not be infringed.....

Infringed, not a synonym for regulation.

Shall not be infringed..regulation would be an infringement

The Supreme Court disagrees with you and their opinion is the only one that counts

I repeat, you're clueless. Now run along and give someone else a headache

 

[martybegan]

Regulated does not mean "pass laws that on the books allow gun ownership, but in reality make it so impossible no one really tries"

That's what NYC has done with handguns, and why we don't trust assholes like you when all you say you want is "regulation"

NYC has decided what gun regulations work best in their unique environment

It seems to be working

They have had the same law on the books since the 60's.

It didn't work during the 70's 80's and early 90's that's for sure. Correlation is not causation, and during that period you didn't even haven correlation.

And if NYC can, in your opinion, ignore the 2nd amendment by asking for that waiting period and asking for those fees, why can't Alabama put a 1 week wait on abortions and a $100 fee for one?

Let NYC decide how much gun regulation is best for their city

The gun rights of someone in Wyoming whose closest neighbor is a mile away does not need to apply to NYC who has a population bigger than the State of Wyoming in one square mile

Let Alabama decide how much abortion regulation is best for their State, right?

Again, why can NYC decide to make me wait 3-6 months and pay $600 in fees for a handgun?

Answer the question.

And your wyoming quip would make more sense if long bolt action rifles were the target of this law, but they are not, and they are actually easier to get, but far more dangerous to a person's neighbors.

This fails as a false comparison fallacy.

No one seeks to ban all firearms, unlike most on the right who seek to ban abortions, in violation of the Constitution.

Washington and Chicago had laws on the books banning handgun ownership by non-government actors.

NYC has a law that while not de jure, is basically a de facto ban.

And say Alabama made a person wait 1 week and pay a $50 fee for an abortion, would that be OK with you?

After all, it's not a total ban.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Shall not be infringed.....

Well regulated

All of the words matter not just the ones you like

The phrase is "well-regulated militia", not "militia with well-regulated weapons".

All of the words matter, not just the ones you like.

 

[Rustic]

Sorry, Princess, the 2nd Amendment is the cornerstone upon which all other inalienable rights depend.

BS.... the 2nd was to help you DEFEND the government as part of a WELL-ORGANIZED MILITIA.\

it was never intended for a bunch of insane yahoos to use it against the gubmint.... if it were, the only criminal act defined in the constitution wouldn't be treason.

and again, even nutty Scalia said that guns could be regulated.... just not totally banned.

you're welcome.

Regulated does not mean "pass laws that on the books allow gun ownership, but in reality make it so impossible no one really tries"

That's what NYC has done with handguns, and why we don't trust assholes like you when all you say you want is "regulation"

NYC has decided what gun regulations work best in their unique environment

It seems to be working

They have had the same law on the books since the 60's.

It didn't work during the 70's 80's and early 90's that's for sure. Correlation is not causation, and during that period you didn't even haven correlation.

And if NYC can, in your opinion, ignore the 2nd amendment by asking for that waiting period and asking for those fees, why can't Alabama put a 1 week wait on abortions and a $100 fee for one?

Let NYC decide how much gun regulation is best for their city

The gun rights of someone in Wyoming whose closest neighbor is a mile away does not need to apply to NYC who has a population bigger than the State of Wyoming in one square mile

That is why there is no need of frivolous gun laws in rural areas... all the violent crime is in urban areas controlled by progressives...

 

[Rustic]

Regulated does not mean "pass laws that on the books allow gun ownership, but in reality make it so impossible no one really tries"

That's what NYC has done with handguns, and why we don't trust assholes like you when all you say you want is "regulation"

NYC has decided what gun regulations work best in their unique environment

It seems to be working

They have had the same law on the books since the 60's.

It didn't work during the 70's 80's and early 90's that's for sure. Correlation is not causation, and during that period you didn't even haven correlation.

And if NYC can, in your opinion, ignore the 2nd amendment by asking for that waiting period and asking for those fees, why can't Alabama put a 1 week wait on abortions and a $100 fee for one?

Let NYC decide how much gun regulation is best for their city

The gun rights of someone in Wyoming whose closest neighbor is a mile away does not need to apply to NYC who has a population bigger than the State of Wyoming in one square mile

Let Alabama decide how much abortion regulation is best for their State, right?

Again, why can NYC decide to make me wait 3-6 months and pay $600 in fees for a handgun?

Answer the question.

And your wyoming quip would make more sense if long bolt action rifles were the target of this law, but they are not, and they are actually easier to get, but far more dangerous to a person's neighbors.

This fails as a false comparison fallacy.

No one seeks to ban all firearms, unlike most on the right who seek to ban abortions, in violation of the Constitution.

Yes you anti-gun nutters do, Ar15’s and the like are just sporting rifles... more people are killed by people using hammers every year than Ar15’s.

 

[skews13]

Shall not be infringed.....

Infringed, not a synonym for regulation.

Shall not be infringed..regulation would be an infringement

The Supreme Court disagrees with you and their opinion is the only one that counts

I repeat, you're clueless. Now run along and give someone else a headache

Let me give you some sage advice.

Stop going through life stupid.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Shall not be infringed.....

Infringed, not a synonym for regulation.

Shall not be infringed..regulation would be an infringement

The Supreme Court disagrees with you and their opinion is the only one that counts

I repeat, you're clueless. Now run along and give someone else a headache

Let me give you some sage advice.

Stop going through life stupid.

The day I take advice from a lowly left loon will be the day Hades freezes over. Now run along