Texas inmates make masks for first responders

[Ray From Cleveland]

You people on the left keep insulting the other half of the people in this country. Go ahead, it worked out so well for you the last time with Hillary's Deplorable remark.

Again, Trump hasn't grown your coalition. Hillary lost because too many people thought she had this in the bag and decided to vote third party. That mistake won't happen again. Especially when the economy is FULLY IN THE SHITTER come November.

That's not what happened. Hillary outspent Trump three to one. But everybody knew she was a drunk and didn't like her on a personal basis, which is very important to a Democrat voter. However, Trump had the same problem. There were a lot of people that didn't like him on a personal basis either.

What you basically had was a drunken bitch vs an arrogant billionaire. Hillary should have been a shoe in. She was an Obama leftover, who's husband was considered one of the greatest two-term Presidents in our time. He would have went to the White House with her.

Maybe some people did stay home expecting her to win, on the other hand, there were people that stayed home because they didn't like Trump either, or stayed home because they didn't like either of them. But we've experienced one of the greatest economies of our time thanks to President Trump. Not many are blaming him for a worldwide virus. HIs approval of him handling it is in the 60% range.

November is a ways off. Who knows what can happen to the economy by then. Joe Biden is as confused as a baby in a topless bar. He has this Durham investigation hanging over his head, and nobody knows how that will turn out. We do know Joe has been involved in a lot of shady deals between business and his family.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

What in your opinion is a no good reason?

Anything related to using marijuana

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What in your opinion is a no good reason?

Anything related to using marijuana

Very few if anybody is in prison over pot. Last I checked, it was something like less than 1%, and most of those were because they were in possession of high quantities, or there was another associated crime involved.

 

[Siete]

its a womens prison joe, rape convistions there are pretty low in that facility -

go ahead, keep spouting off stupid shit u dumb fk, it suits you well.

 

[JoeB131]

That's not what happened. Hillary outspent Trump three to one.

That's exactly what happened. Quit masturbating about how you got back at a woman who made you feel bad back in the 1990's. People are dying because Trump is unfit for the job.

November is a ways off. Who knows what can happen to the economy by then.

We already know what's going to happen. THE ECONOMY IS GOING TANK! Badly. Thousands of layoffs are coming.

But we've experienced one of the greatest economies of our time thanks to President Trump. Not many are blaming him for a worldwide virus. HIs approval of him handling it is in the 60% range.

That's only one poll from a questionable company. (Gallup had Romney winning in 2012...) But frankly, having only 60% approval at the beginning of a crisis is PATHETIC. Baby Bush had a 93% approval rating after 9/11. Bush Sr. had an 80% approval rating after the Iraq War...

A few more weeks of people being locked in their homes, thousands of deaths, hundreds of thousands of cases... Trump is going to wear very thin very quick.

 

[ABikerSailor]

What in your opinion is a no good reason? If the implication is we are locking people up for cheap labor, nothing can be further from the truth. It's not like we have too much room in our prisons. Most of our prisons are overcrowded. Judges (like the ones in my city) often find themselves in a bad position because on one hand, they are trying to keep the community safe, and on the other, they are being pressured to not send people to prison because there simply isn't enough room.

If you aren't a murderer or rapist, you don't belong in prison. Done.

Of course, we have a P-I complex, for making rich people richer... The fact that we don't have enough room doesn't bother the one percenters.

So if you rob a bank, you don't belong in prison? If you extort money from a person or company, you don't belong in prison? If you shoot somebody in the commission of a crime, and don't kill them, you don't belong in prison? How about beating somebody to near death with a bat? Arson? Conning an 84 year old woman out of her life savings?

Prison work isn't free, in fact, the law states companies must pay at least minimum wage. Work is optional as well. Nobody is forced to work in prison. However prison can get pretty boring, and some have a conscience about repaying their debt to society, so they work if possible. It helps them pass the time.

Might wanna do some research on that one Ray. No, prisoners are NOT paid minimum wage. Current average wage for prisoners is around 86 cents per day. And, while there are jobs that pay by the hour (anywhere from 33 cents to 1.41), those are only about 6 percent of the prison jobs. Many prisoners don't get paid at all.

How much do incarcerated people earn in each state?

Prison wages come up again and again in the context of prison conditions and policies. So, we found the most up-to-date information for each state.

www.prisonpolicy.org

One major surprise: prisons appear to be paying incarcerated people less today than they were in 2001. The average of the minimum daily wages paid to incarcerated workers for non-industry prison jobs is now 86 cents, down from 93 cents reported in 2001. The average maximum daily wage for the same prison jobs has declined more significantly, from $4.73 in 2001 to $3.45 today. What changed? At least seven states appear to have lowered their maximum wages, and South Carolina no longer pays wages for most regular prison jobs – assignments that paid up to $4.80 per day in 2001. With a few rare exceptions, regular prison jobs are still unpaid in Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, and Texas.


Incarcerated people assigned to work for state-owned businesses earn between 33 cents and $1.41 per hour on average – roughly twice as much as people assigned to regular prison jobs. Only about 6 percent of people incarcerated in state prisons earn these “higher” wages, however. An even tinier portion of incarcerated workers are eligible for “prevailing local wages” working for private businesses that contract with states through the PIE program. The vast majority spend their days working in custodial, maintenance, grounds keeping, or food service jobs for the institutions that confine them.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I've heard 5 microns or less or they are ineffective.........so while this may look cool...........does it really do a thing.

You know, today they had a town hall broadcast here in Amarillo about the virus. Apparently, because some news outlets had said that you could use bandanas if you had nothing else, lots of people in the Amarillo area had been calling in and saying they would like to help by sewing masks for the doctors and EMT's. The spokesperson said that while the gesture was greatly appreciated, cotton masks would not be effective in a hospital setting, and so they had to refuse.

Think of it this way..................your regular cotton fabric is probably anywhere from 50 to 300 thread count. The kind of stuff they need is more around 1000 thread count. Cotton masks might be useful around bacteria, but around viruses they are useless, as virus particles are much much smaller than bacterial.

 

[eagle1462010]

I've heard 5 microns or less or they are ineffective.........so while this may look cool...........does it really do a thing.

You know, today they had a town hall broadcast here in Amarillo about the virus. Apparently, because some news outlets had said that you could use bandanas if you had nothing else, lots of people in the Amarillo area had been calling in and saying they would like to help by sewing masks for the doctors and EMT's. The spokesperson said that while the gesture was greatly appreciated, cotton masks would not be effective in a hospital setting, and so they had to refuse.

Think of it this way..................your regular cotton fabric is probably anywhere from 50 to 300 thread count. The kind of stuff they need is more around 1000 thread count. Cotton masks might be useful around bacteria, but around viruses they are useless, as virus particles are much much smaller than bacterial.

I'd say based on my reading........only uv systems and ionizers could stop it........

But.........and a big one..........sneezes are water droplets.......so it does offer some protection.......but the small microns..........DOES NOTHING........Even HEPA FILTERS WILL NOT STOP IT.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What in your opinion is a no good reason? If the implication is we are locking people up for cheap labor, nothing can be further from the truth. It's not like we have too much room in our prisons. Most of our prisons are overcrowded. Judges (like the ones in my city) often find themselves in a bad position because on one hand, they are trying to keep the community safe, and on the other, they are being pressured to not send people to prison because there simply isn't enough room.

If you aren't a murderer or rapist, you don't belong in prison. Done.

Of course, we have a P-I complex, for making rich people richer... The fact that we don't have enough room doesn't bother the one percenters.

So if you rob a bank, you don't belong in prison? If you extort money from a person or company, you don't belong in prison? If you shoot somebody in the commission of a crime, and don't kill them, you don't belong in prison? How about beating somebody to near death with a bat? Arson? Conning an 84 year old woman out of her life savings?

Prison work isn't free, in fact, the law states companies must pay at least minimum wage. Work is optional as well. Nobody is forced to work in prison. However prison can get pretty boring, and some have a conscience about repaying their debt to society, so they work if possible. It helps them pass the time.

Might wanna do some research on that one Ray. No, prisoners are NOT paid minimum wage. Current average wage for prisoners is around 86 cents per day. And, while there are jobs that pay by the hour (anywhere from 33 cents to 1.41), those are only about 6 percent of the prison jobs. Many prisoners don't get paid at all.

How much do incarcerated people earn in each state?

Prison wages come up again and again in the context of prison conditions and policies. So, we found the most up-to-date information for each state.

www.prisonpolicy.org

One major surprise: prisons appear to be paying incarcerated people less today than they were in 2001. The average of the minimum daily wages paid to incarcerated workers for non-industry prison jobs is now 86 cents, down from 93 cents reported in 2001. The average maximum daily wage for the same prison jobs has declined more significantly, from $4.73 in 2001 to $3.45 today. What changed? At least seven states appear to have lowered their maximum wages, and South Carolina no longer pays wages for most regular prison jobs – assignments that paid up to $4.80 per day in 2001. With a few rare exceptions, regular prison jobs are still unpaid in Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, and Texas.


Incarcerated people assigned to work for state-owned businesses earn between 33 cents and $1.41 per hour on average – roughly twice as much as people assigned to regular prison jobs. Only about 6 percent of people incarcerated in state prisons earn these “higher” wages, however. An even tinier portion of incarcerated workers are eligible for “prevailing local wages” working for private businesses that contract with states through the PIE program. The vast majority spend their days working in custodial, maintenance, grounds keeping, or food service jobs for the institutions that confine them.

My information is from the leftist LA Times. Here is what it says:

When private companies contract with prisons, the labor isn’t cheap. Federal law requires contractors to pay minimum wage for inmate work. The state may garnish those wages to cover the costs of incarceration. If inmates working for private contractors are cheated of a fair wage, the fault lies not with the business that hires prisoners but the system that confines them.

Op-Ed: Think prison labor is a form of slavery? Think again

When a prison inmate prays for release from her cell, prison industries can be her first salvation.

www.latimes.com

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's exactly what happened. Quit masturbating about how you got back at a woman who made you feel bad back in the 1990's. People are dying because Trump is unfit for the job.

No, people are dying because they caught a virus, a virus that's worldwide. Trump isn't responsible for the world. And remember who fought Trump trying to get this under control. It was only a few weeks ago the Democrats were going to pass a bill to try and stop the Presidents travel bans. They called him a racist when he stopped Chinese from flights coming in.

How did I get back at a woman who made me feel bad in the 90's?????

We already know what's going to happen. THE ECONOMY IS GOING TANK! Badly. Thousands of layoffs are coming.

Right, just like you knew the economy was going to tank without the virus. Just like you knew Trump colluded with Russia. Just like you knew Hillary was going to mop the country with Trump.

Bad news, just the mention of a possible stimulus yesterday sent the market skywards. The biggest gain in 80 years. However it won't last, but it points to how eager people are to get our economy back on track again.

Stock market live Tuesday: Dow soars 2,100 points, biggest jump in 80 years, stimulus close

All eyes are on Congress closing in on a much-needed stimulus bill to rescue the economy from the coronavirus damage.

www.cnbc.com

That's only one poll from a questionable company. (Gallup had Romney winning in 2012...) But frankly, having only 60% approval at the beginning of a crisis is PATHETIC. Baby Bush had a 93% approval rating after 9/11. Bush Sr. had an 80% approval rating after the Iraq War...

A few more weeks of people being locked in their homes, thousands of deaths, hundreds of thousands of cases... Trump is going to wear very thin very quick.

People will be out and about, and in the meantime, a lot of working people are enjoying their vacation. Besides the stimulus money, unemployment bureaus around the country are easing requirements to collect. Some (like in my state) are allowing self-employed workers to file claims which has never been done before.

You are comparing approval ratings in war times to one of the most contagious viruses we've ever had in this country. Apples and oranges.

 

[JoeB131]

No, people are dying because they caught a virus, a virus that's worldwide. Trump isn't responsible for the world. And remember who fought Trump trying to get this under control. It was only a few weeks ago the Democrats were going to pass a bill to try and stop the Presidents travel bans. They called him a racist when he stopped Chinese from flights coming in.

He was a racist.
His travel ban MADE THINGS WORSE, because, again, A virus doesn't care if you are Chinese or American.
Trump didn't do what China did, isolate people early on and institute testing.

You are comparing approval ratings in war times to one of the most contagious viruses we've ever had in this country. Apples and oranges.

Quite right. Wars go on for a while. People will realize very quickly how badly Trump fucked this up, then look at their busted 401K's and their pink slips... and bye-bye Trump.

 

[JoeB131]

Bad news, just the mention of a possible stimulus yesterday sent the market skywards. The biggest gain in 80 years. However it won't last, but it points to how eager people are to get our economy back on track again.

No, it just points to how greedy Wall Street is when they get a big huge giveaway from the government. Futures are back in the red this morning... so the crashing and burning will continue.

People will be out and about, and in the meantime, a lot of working people are enjoying their vacation. Besides the stimulus money, unemployment bureaus around the country are easing requirements to collect. Some (like in my state) are allowing self-employed workers to file claims which has never been done before.

Nobody is "enjoying' this, guy. No one likes being cooped up in the house, afraid to contract something, watching their nest eggs evaporate and wondering if they'll get a pink slip.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, it just points to how greedy Wall Street is when they get a big huge giveaway from the government. Futures are back in the red this morning... so the crashing and burning will continue.

Trust me, as a former commodity trader, that is quite normal. When stocks go up, futures go down. When stocks go down, futures go up. Why do you call making money being greedy? There is nothing greedy about it.

Nobody is "enjoying' this, guy. No one likes being cooped up in the house, afraid to contract something, watching their nest eggs evaporate and wondering if they'll get a pink slip.

They can file for unemployment online. Now the one-time payment checks are getting ready to go out in the mail. On top of that (and I can't believe this) the federal government is adding $600.00 per week for unemployment for four months. If you normally get $300.00 a week from your state unemployment, you will soon be getting $900.00 per week.

As long as you don't move your "nest egg" or need to use it in the near future, it will be fine. If you have the money to buy more shares, you should have done it a few days ago. However you still have opportunities coming up.

 

[Crixus]

My former girlfriend was a corrections officer. Yeah, of course I would trust her and anybody like her. We're still friends after all these years, and it's not as easy of a job as some might think. She has a book of stories to tell. In any case, one place I used to deliver to was a company part privately owned and part county owned. They gave mentally retarded people jobs. They'd do assembly work mostly, and got paid per piece. Of course, somebody always had to be there watching over them, and checking out the work before shipment. They did fine.

They depended on private industry to provide that work, so the parts had to be returned in good shape in order to keep the clients. Nobody was obligated to use their services.

I'm sure anything assembled by retards wasn't particularly high quality or performance.

They did just fine, like I said, with a lot of supervision. How much quality does putting nuts on bolts involve?

Not all retarded people are the same. They are rated by age equivalence. Some have the intelligence of a four year old, while others have the intelligence of a 12 year old. The lower rated ones do the simplistic jobs. The higher ones did work like installing batteries on circuit boards, or assembling displays for stores. I knew one guy who actually had a drivers license and drove himself there most days.

When I worked for the forest service we would buy boots made in a prison shop. For some reason a whole lot of those boots would have tacks sticking up through the heel. It could work. Pay them what it takes to keep the commissary flowing and the inmates will protect the job for the guards.

 

[ABikerSailor]

What in your opinion is a no good reason? If the implication is we are locking people up for cheap labor, nothing can be further from the truth. It's not like we have too much room in our prisons. Most of our prisons are overcrowded. Judges (like the ones in my city) often find themselves in a bad position because on one hand, they are trying to keep the community safe, and on the other, they are being pressured to not send people to prison because there simply isn't enough room.

If you aren't a murderer or rapist, you don't belong in prison. Done.

Of course, we have a P-I complex, for making rich people richer... The fact that we don't have enough room doesn't bother the one percenters.

So if you rob a bank, you don't belong in prison? If you extort money from a person or company, you don't belong in prison? If you shoot somebody in the commission of a crime, and don't kill them, you don't belong in prison? How about beating somebody to near death with a bat? Arson? Conning an 84 year old woman out of her life savings?

Prison work isn't free, in fact, the law states companies must pay at least minimum wage. Work is optional as well. Nobody is forced to work in prison. However prison can get pretty boring, and some have a conscience about repaying their debt to society, so they work if possible. It helps them pass the time.

Might wanna do some research on that one Ray. No, prisoners are NOT paid minimum wage. Current average wage for prisoners is around 86 cents per day. And, while there are jobs that pay by the hour (anywhere from 33 cents to 1.41), those are only about 6 percent of the prison jobs. Many prisoners don't get paid at all.

How much do incarcerated people earn in each state?

Prison wages come up again and again in the context of prison conditions and policies. So, we found the most up-to-date information for each state.

www.prisonpolicy.org

One major surprise: prisons appear to be paying incarcerated people less today than they were in 2001. The average of the minimum daily wages paid to incarcerated workers for non-industry prison jobs is now 86 cents, down from 93 cents reported in 2001. The average maximum daily wage for the same prison jobs has declined more significantly, from $4.73 in 2001 to $3.45 today. What changed? At least seven states appear to have lowered their maximum wages, and South Carolina no longer pays wages for most regular prison jobs – assignments that paid up to $4.80 per day in 2001. With a few rare exceptions, regular prison jobs are still unpaid in Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, and Texas.


Incarcerated people assigned to work for state-owned businesses earn between 33 cents and $1.41 per hour on average – roughly twice as much as people assigned to regular prison jobs. Only about 6 percent of people incarcerated in state prisons earn these “higher” wages, however. An even tinier portion of incarcerated workers are eligible for “prevailing local wages” working for private businesses that contract with states through the PIE program. The vast majority spend their days working in custodial, maintenance, grounds keeping, or food service jobs for the institutions that confine them.

My information is from the leftist LA Times. Here is what it says:

When private companies contract with prisons, the labor isn’t cheap. Federal law requires contractors to pay minimum wage for inmate work. The state may garnish those wages to cover the costs of incarceration. If inmates working for private contractors are cheated of a fair wage, the fault lies not with the business that hires prisoners but the system that confines them.

Op-Ed: Think prison labor is a form of slavery? Think again

When a prison inmate prays for release from her cell, prison industries can be her first salvation.

www.latimes.com

Your "information" is from an op-ed piece, not based on actual information like the link I provided.

 

[odanny]

I don't think face masks are something you can rig without it being noticeable. Plus the fact they probably don't allow inmates to do any work unless it's under supervision.

Um, yeah, have you met Prison Guards? Not exactly the kind of people I'd want to do QC, but I've worked in manufacturing. Even people who actually WANT to do the work need to be checked.

Here is your mask, it was made proudly by inmate 67296. Hopefully it works as intended.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know, I asked my roomie what kind of material those masks were made from. Apparently, they are made from the same stuff that HEPA filters are made from, tightly woven nylon that is pressed like felt.

Sorry, but cotton fabric ain't gonna cut it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What in your opinion is a no good reason? If the implication is we are locking people up for cheap labor, nothing can be further from the truth. It's not like we have too much room in our prisons. Most of our prisons are overcrowded. Judges (like the ones in my city) often find themselves in a bad position because on one hand, they are trying to keep the community safe, and on the other, they are being pressured to not send people to prison because there simply isn't enough room.

If you aren't a murderer or rapist, you don't belong in prison. Done.

Of course, we have a P-I complex, for making rich people richer... The fact that we don't have enough room doesn't bother the one percenters.

So if you rob a bank, you don't belong in prison? If you extort money from a person or company, you don't belong in prison? If you shoot somebody in the commission of a crime, and don't kill them, you don't belong in prison? How about beating somebody to near death with a bat? Arson? Conning an 84 year old woman out of her life savings?

Prison work isn't free, in fact, the law states companies must pay at least minimum wage. Work is optional as well. Nobody is forced to work in prison. However prison can get pretty boring, and some have a conscience about repaying their debt to society, so they work if possible. It helps them pass the time.

Might wanna do some research on that one Ray. No, prisoners are NOT paid minimum wage. Current average wage for prisoners is around 86 cents per day. And, while there are jobs that pay by the hour (anywhere from 33 cents to 1.41), those are only about 6 percent of the prison jobs. Many prisoners don't get paid at all.

How much do incarcerated people earn in each state?

Prison wages come up again and again in the context of prison conditions and policies. So, we found the most up-to-date information for each state.

www.prisonpolicy.org

One major surprise: prisons appear to be paying incarcerated people less today than they were in 2001. The average of the minimum daily wages paid to incarcerated workers for non-industry prison jobs is now 86 cents, down from 93 cents reported in 2001. The average maximum daily wage for the same prison jobs has declined more significantly, from $4.73 in 2001 to $3.45 today. What changed? At least seven states appear to have lowered their maximum wages, and South Carolina no longer pays wages for most regular prison jobs – assignments that paid up to $4.80 per day in 2001. With a few rare exceptions, regular prison jobs are still unpaid in Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, and Texas.


Incarcerated people assigned to work for state-owned businesses earn between 33 cents and $1.41 per hour on average – roughly twice as much as people assigned to regular prison jobs. Only about 6 percent of people incarcerated in state prisons earn these “higher” wages, however. An even tinier portion of incarcerated workers are eligible for “prevailing local wages” working for private businesses that contract with states through the PIE program. The vast majority spend their days working in custodial, maintenance, grounds keeping, or food service jobs for the institutions that confine them.

My information is from the leftist LA Times. Here is what it says:

When private companies contract with prisons, the labor isn’t cheap. Federal law requires contractors to pay minimum wage for inmate work. The state may garnish those wages to cover the costs of incarceration. If inmates working for private contractors are cheated of a fair wage, the fault lies not with the business that hires prisoners but the system that confines them.

Op-Ed: Think prison labor is a form of slavery? Think again

When a prison inmate prays for release from her cell, prison industries can be her first salvation.

www.latimes.com

Your "information" is from an op-ed piece, not based on actual information like the link I provided.

Your confusion here is because you don't read. You didn't read the story I posted, and you didn't even read your own.

Your link clearly states that they are paid very low wages for non-industrial work. In other words, they get paid for taking care of the jail and outside grounds. Business has nothing to do with that.

My link explains the reason they are paid under minimum wage is because they don't get a direct paycheck from the company they do the work for. The company pays the prison, and the prison takes deductions out of their check, but they are technically still getting paid at least minimum wage.

So this theory that companies are virtual slave labor employers is false.

 

[Briggs]

Now, can anybody tell me what's wrong with this? While working and even non-working Americans are making sacrifices to combat this problem, shouldn't prison inmates do the same? It's not really a partisan issue, given the former HUD director, now Governor is using the same resource.

Let's see now. Someone who is spending his life in prison because of a cop making something that will save a cop's life.

Nope. Can't see how that could possibly go wrong.

I think they should tell them they are for cute little nurses who will come and thank you when this is over.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You know, I asked my roomie what kind of material those masks were made from. Apparently, they are made from the same stuff that HEPA filters are made from, tightly woven nylon that is pressed like felt.

Sorry, but cotton fabric ain't gonna cut it.

If you bothered to read the OP, it clearly states that those masks are not designed to the quality standard needed to completely protect first responders from this virus. They are producing them because any kind of mask is better than no mask.