Texas DOES have a right to secede according to those who know the law and Constitution

[occupied]

True.

In fact, something that never existed to begin with cannot ‘rise again.’

I get your argument of legal legitimacy but as a political entity the confederacy was indeed a thing.

 

[hjmick]

For More Than 150 Years, Texas Has Had the Power to Secede…From Itself

A quirk of a 19th-century Congressional resolution could allow Texas to split up into five states

www.smithsonianmag.com

No, Texas can’t legally secede from the U.S., despite popular myth

The theme of independence has recurred throughout the history of Texas, which was a republic from 1836–45. But the Civil War established that a state cannot secede.

www.texastribune.org

Can Texas secede from the United States? Curious Texas investigates

Ever since the end of the Civil War, some Texans have wondered: what if we left the United States?Secessionist movements are as old as the Lone...

www.dallasnews.com

Can Texas secede from the US?

It’s a common adage in Texas that we are the only state that can secede from the U.S. but is it true?

www.ksat.com

And it is not illegal to pick bluebonnets...

 

[bodecea]

Most of them would stay in America out of spite. In short order Texas would stop the only kind of immigrant they would get: Fat slobs with a van full of guns, no education, no money and the expectation that things will be perfect in a conservative utopia.

Ironically, the Texas War of Independence started when Mexico tried to put a stop to illegal immigration from the U.S.

 

[Batcat]

While that sounds good I want to know if it can happen.
At this point I'd be more than happy to leave the US.

In my opinion it can happen and there is a fair to good chance it eventually will if the Democratic Party keeps pushing Marist Socialism and Critical Race Theory.

It’s my hope in the 2022 Midterm Elections and the 2024 Presidential Election more conservative politicians win and force the liberal democrats out.

 

[meaner gene]

Correct.

There’s also another issue: American citizens cannot have their citizenship taken from them against their will absent due process.

That a majority of residents of a state might vote to secede, or a state legislature votes to secede, doesn’t constitute due process; citizens can’t vote to deprive their fellow citizens of their citizenship.

Voting to secede is in essence renouncing your American citizenship, and unless 100 percent of the residents of the state agree to do that, then there’ll be no secession.

American citizenship is guaranteed under the 14th amendment. People remain US citizens, until such time as they renounce their citizenship, or pledge allegiance to a foreign sovereign state. So it would depend if Texas requires American citizens to become citizens of Texas or not.

Also Americans may wish to renounce their citizenship, because they would be subject to paying income tax to the IRS otherwise.

Plus US citizens have to obey the laws of the US

 

[bodecea]

In my opinion it can happen and there is a fair to good chance it eventually will if the Democratic Party keeps pushing Marist Socialism and Critical Race Theory.

It’s my hope in the 2022 Midterm Elections and the 2024 Presidential Election more conservative politicians win and force the liberal democrats out.

"Marist Socialism"....

And what is the part of CRT you object to the most? Link it for us.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Texas DOES have a right to secede according to those who know the law and Constitution

Andrew Napolitano is an attorney who has studied the US Constitution and he says that Lincoln was wrong to go to war to keep the states together, that they have a right to secede

it makes sense

when the country was being formed, the leaders needed all the states to ratify the Union and Constitution

if they have the right to agree to it, they have the right to take back their agreement.. the right to secede... Remember the words of the early documents... that if, after a long string of usurpations... people find it necessary to throw off the bonds... (I will get the exact words soon but you know them or should .)

Just one little problem: The citizens of Texas would not stand for it. Maybe such an idea would have better odds in a less democratic system or country.

 

[Batcat]

"Marist Socialism"....

And what is the part of CRT you object to the most? Link it for us.

What critical race theory is really about

Critical race theory is an academic discipline, formulated in the 1990s and built on the intellectual framework of identity-based Marxism.

nypost.com

Father Debunks Critical Race Theory In Incredible Speech: 'How Am I Oppressed With Two Degrees?' (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by The Scoop

During a full district school board meeting, a father from Illinois who broadcasts a weekend radio show slammed critical race theory.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Success of Asian Americans debunks critical race theory, ‘Inconvenient Minority’ author says

The author of a new book feels Asian Americans are an "inconvenient minority" to the liberal media because as their community succeeds based on merit alone, they debunk the critical race theory narrative.

www.foxnews.com

Suffer the children: Critical race theory in the classroom

 

[Old Rocks]

Texas DOES have a right to secede according to those who know the law and Constitution

Andrew Napolitano is an attorney who has studied the US Constitution and he says that Lincoln was wrong to go to war to keep the states together, that they have a right to secede

it makes sense

when the country was being formed, the leaders needed all the states to ratify the Union and Constitution

if they have the right to agree to it, they have the right to take back their agreement.. the right to secede... Remember the words of the early documents... that if, after a long string of usurpations... people find it necessary to throw off the bonds... (I will get the exact words soon but you know them or should .)

LOL We settled that 155 years ago. My Great Grandfather fought from Fort Donaldson to New Orleans to put down the treasonous bastards that would have destroyed the United States. The United States we are and will remain. Todays traitors trying to destroy our nation will not get a pardon.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No...Secession, IMO, is legal. You just have to go thru the legal process. If the Southern states had just seceded in 1860.....that would have been fine. But then those idiots had to go and start a war by firing on Fort Sumter.

Why would they secede in 1860 when Lincoln had not been elected yet? South Carolina did secede in 1860, but they were the only one in that year. They seceded long before Fort Sumpter was fired upon, on April 12, 1861 over a month after Lincoln became President.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Do they get to keep NSA headquarters in San Antonio ?
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That is not the NSA Headquarters. Catch a clue! It belongs to the NSA but it is NOT the headquarters.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

As was said, it's illegal to secede, already decided over a century ago in Texas v White (USSC) 1869.

Only if a state goes through the process of getting constitutional approval (by amendment, or similar) to leave, the peoples US citizenship would remain, until they revoked citizenship, in order to pledge allegiance to a foreign power.

More libtard ability to read? That case had to do with Texas after the Civil War had ended,

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's the law of "Fuck no we ain't doing this again". Attempting to steal a state full of federal property and infrastructure would be stopped if they had to send in the army and arrest the entire state government. Does not have to be a specific law against it when there is no valid way to do it.

How long did it take the Union to take back South Carolina?

 

[foggedinn]

Funny, TEXAS can split up into 5 STATES by law----that would give them 10 senators instead of 2. Maybe that is how to do it....split the state up-----insuring 10 republican senators and viola---US congress may want to get rid of them.

I thought it was six. This would give them 12 senators. No idea how many of the new states would be red and how many would be blue.

 

[JWBooth]

If they secede, who will pay the old folks ss payments that these said old folks paid in for 50 to 60 years? I paid in 55 years, where does that money go?

That is an old boogerman that only takes a few seconds to dismiss, but has been trotted out to scare old people. There are tons of expat retirees living beyond US borders collecting their check monthly.

 

[22lcidw]

I get your argument of legal legitimacy but as a political entity the confederacy was indeed a thing.

A loose federation of states is doable. Broken down to parts of states separated from each other by counties while still paying for legislated laws like Social Security by the much reduced Federal level organization.

 

[Stann]

Texas DOES have a right to secede according to those who know the law and Constitution

Andrew Napolitano is an attorney who has studied the US Constitution and he says that Lincoln was wrong to go to war to keep the states together, that they have a right to secede

it makes sense

when the country was being formed, the leaders needed all the states to ratify the Union and Constitution

if they have the right to agree to it, they have the right to take back their agreement.. the right to secede... Remember the words of the early documents... that if, after a long string of usurpations... people find it necessary to throw off the bonds... (I will get the exact words soon but you know them or should .)

They'd lose a lot more than they'd gain, and they wouldn't have the federal government to blame for their immigrant problem.

 

[Mac1958]

If they vote to leave and Congress votes to let them go.......it's ok.

Yup.

It might be a good idea to then split California into two states.

Stay at 50, don't have to buy new flags 'n stuff.

Adios, pardners.

 

[Stann]

Texas DOES have a right to secede according to those who know the law and Constitution

Andrew Napolitano is an attorney who has studied the US Constitution and he says that Lincoln was wrong to go to war to keep the states together, that they have a right to secede

it makes sense

when the country was being formed, the leaders needed all the states to ratify the Union and Constitution

if they have the right to agree to it, they have the right to take back their agreement.. the right to secede... Remember the words of the early documents... that if, after a long string of usurpations... people find it necessary to throw off the bonds... (I will get the exact words soon but you know them or should .)

I looked up the info to make sure Texas gets 39.5 billion dollars from the federal government, roughly a third of the state's revenue. Does not include all the military bases and the impact they have on the state. etc. etc. Secession is NOT advisable at all.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Texas DOES have a right to secede according to those who know the law and Constitution

Andrew Napolitano is an attorney who has studied the US Constitution and he says that Lincoln was wrong to go to war to keep the states together, that they have a right to secede

it makes sense

when the country was being formed, the leaders needed all the states to ratify the Union and Constitution

if they have the right to agree to it, they have the right to take back their agreement.. the right to secede... Remember the words of the early documents... that if, after a long string of usurpations... people find it necessary to throw off the bonds... (I will get the exact words soon but you know them or should .)

I'd guess that Texas has the power to secede and the federal government has the power to stop it happening.

It's an old Constitution, not like a modern Constitution which might have such things explicitly written.