Terrorist Snipers Open Fire on IDF Soldiers

[MrMax]

That wasn't my question.

Was I unclear?

You asked which international law made attacking soldiers illegal and you were given the very one that spells it out. What don't you understand about the answer, when the Geneva conventions are International law.

Shooting occupation forces may be illegal under local law.

But the question was: Is it illegal under international law?

You say that as though sand monkeys follow international law. EVERYTHING muslims do is against international law. Now you know.

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Really; et al,

Wow! Is about all I can say. I can hardly believe the number of pro-Palestinian Activist that have this mistaken belief that they have some special right to conduct hostile action against the Occupation Force.

So that means targeting the Palestinians in militia uniform is resistance as well, or do you apply a different set of rules for the Jews ?

It is either legal for both to target each other or it isn't, make your mind up.

An occupational force cannot claim self defense.

However, if you're being shot at, no one in their right mind would think you couldn't shoot back.

(COMMENT)

AND --- again, there is no legal standing or special dispensation for attacks by the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) against the Occupation Force; no matter what standard you apply.

The occupier is required by Article 43 of the Hague Regulations to ‘take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while
respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country’. This obligation is also reflected in Article 64 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which states: ‘[t]he Occupying Power may, however, subject the population of the occupied territory to provisions which are essential to enable the Occupying Power to fulfill its obligations...to maintain the orderly government of the Territory ...’. That Convention also requires that ‘protected persons’ are protected against all acts or threats of violence, and establishes rules governing the maintenance of laws, courts, internment, and so forth.

... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...​

It is in the context of maintaining public order and safety that the issue often arises of how the two governing frameworks of humanitarian and human rights law interact with each other. Since the occupation of territory does not end the armed conflict, it is inevitable, as Richard Baxter noted in 1950, ‘that inhabitants of an occupied area will chafe under enemy rule ... and that they will in numerous instances, acting singly or in concert, commit acts inconsistent with the security of the occupying forces’. This reality is reflected in the reference to ‘organized resistance movements’ in the Third Geneva Convention. It is also relevant to the concept of ‘armed combatants’ in Article 44(3) of Additional Protocol I, where there are special rules regarding the retention of combatant status‘ in situations of armed conflict where, owing to the nature of hostilities, an armed combatant cannot so distinguish himself’. A number of states have limited the claim for combatant status in those circumstances to occupied territory and armed conflicts involving national liberation. Further, the Fourth Geneva Convention provides for the
administrative detention of civilians in internment and assigned residence and for taking penal action against persons who commit offences intended to harm the Occupying Power.

... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...​

This linking of the legitimacy of participants in hostilities and the enforcement of the law means that police forces of the occupied territory can lawfully be employed against insurgents in all but the most exceptional of circumstances, since the likelihood of a resistance movement meeting the requirements of Geneva Convention III has long been viewed as very remote.

SOURCE: Volume 94 Number 885 Spring 2012

I hope this ICRC Paper helps to shake some of the cobwebs loose.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

That wasn't my question.

Was I unclear?

You asked which international law made attacking soldiers illegal and you were given the very one that spells it out. What don't you understand about the answer, when the Geneva conventions are International law.

Shooting occupation forces may be illegal under local law.

But the question was: Is it illegal under international law?

Read the Geneva conventions and see that only military personnel can fire on the soldiers. and only then if they are in uniform and carrying their weapons openly. Otherwise they are terrorists who have no rights.

Now what is the uniform of the Palestinian military again ?

 

[montelatici]

You asked which international law made attacking soldiers illegal and you were given the very one that spells it out. What don't you understand about the answer, when the Geneva conventions are International law.

Shooting occupation forces may be illegal under local law.

But the question was: Is it illegal under international law?

Read the Geneva conventions and see that only military personnel can fire on the soldiers. and only then if they are in uniform and carrying their weapons openly. Otherwise they are terrorists who have no rights.

Now what is the uniform of the Palestinian military again ?

Wow, now that's interesting. So the Jews trapped in the Warsaw Ghetto that shot and killed German soldiers were terrorists that had no rights? So, the Germans were justified in killing those Jewish terrorists in your mind.

 

[Coyote]

I guess there are those on this forum who feel the IDF should never fire back. In fact, they probably don't think the IDF should have fired their rifles into the air to scare off the snipers.

Terrorist Snipers Open Fire on IDF Soldiers
Posted by: Lea Speyer April 9, 2014 , 10:20 am


Terrorist snipers in the Gaza Strip opened fire on IDF troops stationed near the Israel-Gaza border Wednesday morning. The soldiers, who were near the Israeli community of Kissufim, responded back by firing rounds into the air to warn and scare off the snipers.


Read more at Terrorist Snipers Open Fire on IDF Soldiers | Breaking Israel News

Targeting the IDF is not terrorism, it's resistance.

Explain how shooting at soldiers who are just sitting around is resisting??

Do you realize how stupid that sounds??






Who am I kidding, of course you don't, you're Billo.

What is the difference between that and attacking the King David Hotel?

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

No, there are not.

Shooting occupation forces may be illegal under local law.

But the question was: Is it illegal under international law?

Read the Geneva conventions and see that only military personnel can fire on the soldiers. and only then if they are in uniform and carrying their weapons openly. Otherwise they are terrorists who have no rights.

Now what is the uniform of the Palestinian military again ?

Wow, now that's interesting. So the Jews trapped in the Warsaw Ghetto that shot and killed German soldiers were terrorists that had no rights? So, the Germans were justified in killing those Jewish terrorists in your mind.

(COMMENT)

There is no comparison between the Warsaw Ghetto and any of the occupied Palestinian territory. None at all.

Palestinians have rights. Warsaw Ghetto internees had none.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sally]

Why did the Hindus have to pay by having their land carved off to make Pakistan because the Muslims had to have their own country? I honestly don't get the logic why in this day and age so much of the Muslim world can't be tolerant when it comes to religious beliefs but has to harass and murder people who are non believers and destroy their houses of worship. Perhaps Haniya or Defeat67 can tell us what is their reasoning behind this. There are plenty of wrongs in this world, and the land that happens to be governed by Israel is really the least of it. I wonder if anyone can tell us why Muslims have left their various homelands by the thousands and thousands to settled in places like Europe, America and Canada. Are they bemoaning that they want to go back?

Why did the Hindus have to pay by having their land carved off to make Pakistan because the Muslims had to have their own country?

This is why: Note: This is a Jewish writer from the "Jewish Journal"

"This massive report in Tehelka on a 2002 massacre of Muslims in India will really make your stomach turn. Rampaging Hindu zealots—yes, they come in all religious flavors—left more than 2,000 people dead, some in the most gruesome ways possible."

Muslim massacre in Hindu India | The God Blog | Jewish Journal

YEP giving the muslims a taste of their own medicine, they were revenge attacks for the 20 million raped and murdered by the rampaging muslim immigrants stealing Hindu land

It is amusing how Defeat67 brought up an article from the beginning of the 21st century, but didn't answer the question of why Pakistan had to be carved out of India in the middle of the 20th century. Couldn't the Muslims just live peacefully with the Hindus? In fact, many Shia didn't move to Pakistan when it was formed, and I think we can see why. These days they are so tired of the Sunnis car and suicide bombing them that many are moving to Australia.

 

[RoccoR]

Coyote, et al,

The Irgun bombing of the King David Hotel (British Civil and Administrative HQ for Palestine, and Offices of the Mandate Secretariat) July 1946 was a terrorist attack by a militant right-wing Zionist underground organization.

Targeting the IDF is not terrorism, it's resistance.

Explain how shooting at soldiers who are just sitting around is resisting??

Do you realize how stupid that sounds??

Who am I kidding, of course you don't, you're Billo.

What is the difference between that and attacking the King David Hotel?

(COMMENT)

The attack on the King David Hotel has been called one of the most lethal terrorist attacks of the 20th century. The Irgun Zvai Leumi (National Military Organization) was considered a terrorist organization.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

Targeting the IDF is not terrorism, it's resistance.

Explain how shooting at soldiers who are just sitting around is resisting??

Do you realize how stupid that sounds??






Who am I kidding, of course you don't, you're Billo.

What is the difference between that and attacking the King David Hotel?

What an incredibly stupid question...

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, et al,

No, there are not.

Read the Geneva conventions and see that only military personnel can fire on the soldiers. and only then if they are in uniform and carrying their weapons openly. Otherwise they are terrorists who have no rights.

Now what is the uniform of the Palestinian military again ?

Wow, now that's interesting. So the Jews trapped in the Warsaw Ghetto that shot and killed German soldiers were terrorists that had no rights? So, the Germans were justified in killing those Jewish terrorists in your mind.

(COMMENT)

There is no comparison between the Warsaw Ghetto and any of the occupied Palestinian territory. None at all.

Palestinians have rights. Warsaw Ghetto internees had none.

Most Respectfully,
R

Do you just decide to blabber without thinking. The Jews that shot and killed German soldiers were not in uniform and were an occupied people. Under the rules made up by the other simpleton and his interpretation of the Geneva Convention, an occupied people must be military and in uniform or else they are considered "terorists" if they attack the occupation forces. So, prior to opening your mouth to spout nonsense think before you write.

 

[Hossfly]

montelatici, et al,

No, there are not.

Wow, now that's interesting. So the Jews trapped in the Warsaw Ghetto that shot and killed German soldiers were terrorists that had no rights? So, the Germans were justified in killing those Jewish terrorists in your mind.

(COMMENT)

There is no comparison between the Warsaw Ghetto and any of the occupied Palestinian territory. None at all.

Palestinians have rights. Warsaw Ghetto internees had none.

Most Respectfully,
R

Do you just decide to blabber without thinking. The Jews that shot and killed German soldiers were not in uniform and were an occupied people. Under the rules made up by the other simpleton and his interpretation of the Geneva Convention, an occupied people must be military and in uniform or else they are considered "terorists" if they attack the occupation forces. So, prior to opening your mouth to spout nonsense think before you write.

Those people in Warsaw were defending themselves from an evil corruption. Geneva conventions and terrorists be damned. Again: The people of Warsaw and the people of Palestine are apples and oranges.You are trying to make sugar out of shit and it won't work.

 

[Coyote]

Explain how shooting at soldiers who are just sitting around is resisting??

Do you realize how stupid that sounds??






Who am I kidding, of course you don't, you're Billo.

What is the difference between that and attacking the King David Hotel?

What an incredibly stupid question...

Why?

They are both military targets of a resistance movement. One is acceptable and the other not?

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

I find it difficult to believe that you don't understand the difference.

Do you just decide to blabber without thinking. The Jews that shot and killed German soldiers were not in uniform and were an occupied people. Under the rules made up by the other simpleton and his interpretation of the Geneva Convention, an occupied people must be military and in uniform or else they are considered "terorists" if they attack the occupation forces. So, prior to opening your mouth to spout nonsense think before you write.

(COMMENT)

First, the Warsaw Ghetto (WG) existed between October 1940 to May 1943. The Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.

Second, the Jews of the WG were condemned internees, earmarked for extermination (deportations to extermination camps, Großaktion Warschau, the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising suppression). Something on the order of 300K Jews were killed in the WG. They were imprisoned and not permitted to leave the bounds of the WG as established by the Occupation Power. The people in the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt) are not condemned internees, but treated as "protected persons" and able to exit and enter the oPt.

The de facto uniform was pronounced. The NAZI ordered Warsaw Jews to wear white armbands or sewn on badges with a blue Star of David so they could be easily identified (November 23, 1939).

During the next year and a half, thousands of Polish Jews as well as some Romani people from smaller cities and the countryside were brought into the Ghetto, while diseases (especially typhus), and starvation kept the inhabitants at about the same number. Average food rations in 1941 for Jews in Warsaw were limited to 184 calories, compared to 699 calories for gentile Poles and 2,613 calories for Germans.

Over 100,000 of the Ghetto's residents died due to rampant disease or starvation, as well as random killings, even before the Nazis began massive deportations of the inhabitants from the Ghetto's Umschlagplatz to the Treblinka extermination camp during the Grossaktion Warschau, part of the countrywide Operation Reinhard. Between Tisha B'Av (July 23) and Yom Kippur (September 21) of 1942, about 254,000 Ghetto residents (or at least 300,000 by different accounts) were sent to Treblinka and murdered there.

SOURCE: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm sure this little thumbnail of a description doesn't do justice to the difference. But there is a significant difference between how the People in the oPt are treated and those of the Jews in the WG.

As for "blabber without thinking" --- well --- it is what it is.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

Only a disgusting scumbag piece of donkey shit would compare the situation with the Palestinians to the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto.
What's not surprising are the posters who are making the comparisons.

 

[Coyote]

Coyote, et al,

The Irgun bombing of the King David Hotel (British Civil and Administrative HQ for Palestine, and Offices of the Mandate Secretariat) July 1946 was a terrorist attack by a militant right-wing Zionist underground organization.

Explain how shooting at soldiers who are just sitting around is resisting??

Do you realize how stupid that sounds??

Who am I kidding, of course you don't, you're Billo.

What is the difference between that and attacking the King David Hotel?

(COMMENT)

The attack on the King David Hotel has been called one of the most lethal terrorist attacks of the 20th century. The Irgun Zvai Leumi (National Military Organization) was considered a terrorist organization.

Most Respectfully,
R

I agree R, however it is frequently defended as a legitimate military target.

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, et al,

I find it difficult to believe that you don't understand the difference.

Do you just decide to blabber without thinking. The Jews that shot and killed German soldiers were not in uniform and were an occupied people. Under the rules made up by the other simpleton and his interpretation of the Geneva Convention, an occupied people must be military and in uniform or else they are considered "terorists" if they attack the occupation forces. So, prior to opening your mouth to spout nonsense think before you write.

(COMMENT)

First, the Warsaw Ghetto (WG) existed between October 1940 to May 1943. The Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.

Second, the Jews of the WG were condemned internees, earmarked for extermination (deportations to extermination camps, Großaktion Warschau, the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising suppression). Something on the order of 300K Jews were killed in the WG. They were imprisoned and not permitted to leave the bounds of the WG as established by the Occupation Power. The people in the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt) are not condemned internees, but treated as "protected persons" and able to exit and enter the oPt.

The de facto uniform was pronounced. The NAZI ordered Warsaw Jews to wear white armbands or sewn on badges with a blue Star of David so they could be easily identified (November 23, 1939).

During the next year and a half, thousands of Polish Jews as well as some Romani people from smaller cities and the countryside were brought into the Ghetto, while diseases (especially typhus), and starvation kept the inhabitants at about the same number. Average food rations in 1941 for Jews in Warsaw were limited to 184 calories, compared to 699 calories for gentile Poles and 2,613 calories for Germans.

Over 100,000 of the Ghetto's residents died due to rampant disease or starvation, as well as random killings, even before the Nazis began massive deportations of the inhabitants from the Ghetto's Umschlagplatz to the Treblinka extermination camp during the Grossaktion Warschau, part of the countrywide Operation Reinhard. Between Tisha B'Av (July 23) and Yom Kippur (September 21) of 1942, about 254,000 Ghetto residents (or at least 300,000 by different accounts) were sent to Treblinka and murdered there.

SOURCE: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm sure this little thumbnail of a description doesn't do justice to the difference. But there is a significant difference between how the People in the oPt are treated and those of the Jews in the WG.

As for "blabber without thinking" --- well --- it is what it is.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Jews in the WG who gallantly fought Germans wore no uniform, no Star of David. They were partisans and partisans in France, Italy, Yugoslavia, Greece etc, wore no uniform when fighting the Germans. In your moronic friends mind, because they wore no uniform they are terrorists.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Only a disgusting scumbag piece of donkey shit would compare the situation with the Palestinians to the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto.
What's not surprising are the posters who are making the comparisons.

They were both penned up by a bunch of assholes.

What is the difference?

 

[Sally]

montelatici, et al,

I find it difficult to believe that you don't understand the difference.

Do you just decide to blabber without thinking. The Jews that shot and killed German soldiers were not in uniform and were an occupied people. Under the rules made up by the other simpleton and his interpretation of the Geneva Convention, an occupied people must be military and in uniform or else they are considered "terorists" if they attack the occupation forces. So, prior to opening your mouth to spout nonsense think before you write.

(COMMENT)

First, the Warsaw Ghetto (WG) existed between October 1940 to May 1943. The Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.

Second, the Jews of the WG were condemned internees, earmarked for extermination (deportations to extermination camps, Großaktion Warschau, the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising suppression). Something on the order of 300K Jews were killed in the WG. They were imprisoned and not permitted to leave the bounds of the WG as established by the Occupation Power. The people in the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt) are not condemned internees, but treated as "protected persons" and able to exit and enter the oPt.

The de facto uniform was pronounced. The NAZI ordered Warsaw Jews to wear white armbands or sewn on badges with a blue Star of David so they could be easily identified (November 23, 1939).

During the next year and a half, thousands of Polish Jews as well as some Romani people from smaller cities and the countryside were brought into the Ghetto, while diseases (especially typhus), and starvation kept the inhabitants at about the same number. Average food rations in 1941 for Jews in Warsaw were limited to 184 calories, compared to 699 calories for gentile Poles and 2,613 calories for Germans.

Over 100,000 of the Ghetto's residents died due to rampant disease or starvation, as well as random killings, even before the Nazis began massive deportations of the inhabitants from the Ghetto's Umschlagplatz to the Treblinka extermination camp during the Grossaktion Warschau, part of the countrywide Operation Reinhard. Between Tisha B'Av (July 23) and Yom Kippur (September 21) of 1942, about 254,000 Ghetto residents (or at least 300,000 by different accounts) were sent to Treblinka and murdered there.

SOURCE: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm sure this little thumbnail of a description doesn't do justice to the difference. But there is a significant difference between how the People in the oPt are treated and those of the Jews in the WG.

As for "blabber without thinking" --- well --- it is what it is.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Jews in the WG who gallantly fought Germans wore no uniform, no Star of David. They were partisans and partisans in France, Italy, Yugoslavia, Greece etc, wore no uniform when fighting the Germans. In your moronic friends mind, because they wore no uniform they are terrorists.

Oh, if we could only send Haniya and her sidekick Defeat67 in a time machine from Arkansas to the Warsaw Ghetto so that they could experience what those Jews experienced. They certainly weren't fed as well as Haniya's and Defeat67's brethren are in the West Bank and in Gaza. Where did these Jews pray anyway in the Ghetto? Were they able to pray the same way the Muslims can in Gaza and the West Bank? Were they able to get Kosher food the same way as the Muslims are able to get Halal in the West Bank and Gaza? Hmm, I wonder what these two Muslims would say if the Cypriots started gunning down the Muslim Turks who are occupying part of their country.

Actually, the moron here are these two even comparing the horrible conditions in the Warsaw Ghetto to the West Bank and Gaza.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pic...meHeC2cM%3A%3Bhttps%3A%2F%2Fencrypted-tbn3.gs

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

I think you've misspoke.

The de facto uniform was pronounced. The NAZI ordered Warsaw Jews to wear white armbands or sewn on badges with a blue Star of David so they could be easily identified (November 23, 1939).

The Jews in the WG who gallantly fought Germans wore no uniform, no Star of David.

(COMMENT)

Just who do you think you are kidding?

In 1939, when Germans took over the city, they made every Jew wear a white armband with a large blue Star of David.

Under German rule Jews no longer had protection of the law:

• Crime against them went unpunished.
• Germans took all the money from their bank accounts.
• They took some of their homes and businesses.
• They threw many out of work.
• German soldiers would beat up or rob them in broad daylight.

MULTIPLE SOURCE:

• Warsaw Ghetto Mon 3 Dec 2012 by abagond
• Jewish badge and armbands 1939-1945
• A scene from the Warsaw Ghetto where Jews are seen wearing white armlets bearing the Star of David and trams are seen marked with the words “For Jews Only”, on February 17, 1941. (AP Photo)

They were partisans and partisans in France, Italy, Yugoslavia, Greece etc, wore no uniform when fighting the Germans. In your moronic friends mind, because they wore no uniform they are terrorists.

(COMMENT)

Resistance and Members of the Partisans Movements, when captured conducting hostile operations, espionage, or serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power were executed. This was the modern day equivalent of Article 68 of the GCIV.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, et al,

I think you've misspoke.

The de facto uniform was pronounced. The NAZI ordered Warsaw Jews to wear white armbands or sewn on badges with a blue Star of David so they could be easily identified (November 23, 1939).

The Jews in the WG who gallantly fought Germans wore no uniform, no Star of David.

(COMMENT)

Just who do you think you are kidding?

In 1939, when Germans took over the city, they made every Jew wear a white armband with a large blue Star of David.

Under German rule Jews no longer had protection of the law:

• Crime against them went unpunished.
• Germans took all the money from their bank accounts.
• They took some of their homes and businesses.
• They threw many out of work.
• German soldiers would beat up or rob them in broad daylight.

MULTIPLE SOURCE:

• Warsaw Ghetto Mon 3 Dec 2012 by abagond
• Jewish badge and armbands 1939-1945
• A scene from the Warsaw Ghetto where Jews are seen wearing white armlets bearing the Star of David and trams are seen marked with the words “For Jews Only”, on February 17, 1941. (AP Photo)

They were partisans and partisans in France, Italy, Yugoslavia, Greece etc, wore no uniform when fighting the Germans. In your moronic friends mind, because they wore no uniform they are terrorists.

(COMMENT)

Resistance and Members of the Partisans Movements, when captured conducting hostile operations, espionage, or serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power were executed. This was the modern day equivalent of Article 68 of the GCIV.

Most Respectfully,
R

That's fine the occupying power has all the power and can execute whomever they want, but THEY WERE NOT TERRORISTS THEY WERE PATRIOTS

Now stop your blabbering e vai in quel paese.