Terrorist Snipers Open Fire on IDF Soldiers

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Now that is actually kind-of funny.

And who would that be?

(COMMENT)

The question, in response to the reply, becomes an issue.

In asking the question: "And who would that be?" --- one has to ponder who is "who."

• Do we not know who the Palestinian Authority (PA) is?
• Do we not know who HAMAS is?

Or is it a question of competency? A country, to be a country has to have the capacity to enter into political relations.

• Are we asking if the PA is competent to stand the test as a viable government?
• Are we asking if HAMAS can to stand the test as a viable and competent government?

Or is something less difficult?

• Are we challenging the successor government to the 1988 Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) having the right to represent the Palestinian?
• Are we challenging the PLO right to declare independence in the name of the Palestinian People?

What does the question --- question?

Most Respectfully,
R

Is this the post you are resopnding to?

Then why do you deny the Jews their rights to a NATIONAL HOME, FREE DETERMINATION, INDEPENDENCE, SOVEREINGTY AND TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY by claiming the Jews are invaders and land thieves. The land was destined for the NATIONAL HOME of the Jews by the legal owners at the time.

If you thought the Jews had the same rights then you would be demanding sanctions against the P.A. and hamas for their CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.

The question was about the highlighted sentence.

Once again it was the LoN who signed the treaty with the Ottomans to transfer sovereignty of the land in accordance with International Law at the time.

League of Nations mandate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All of the territories subject to League of Nations mandates were previously controlled by states defeated in World War I, principally Imperial Germany and the Ottoman Empire. The mandates were fundamentally different from the protectorates in that the Mandatory power undertook obligations to the inhabitants of the territory and to the League of Nations.

The process of establishing the mandates consisted of two phases:
1.the formal removal of sovereignty of the state previously controlling the territory
2.the transfer of mandatory powers to individual states among the Allied Powers

Puts it very clearly the land changed ownership from Ottoman to LoN

 

[Phoenall]

You are starting history in the middle.

Ok then lets start at the begining when Mohamed declared that islam was at war with the Jews shall we. Is that far enough back for you 632 C.E. when the mass murders, genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Jews by muslims began.
And before you say that was not the Palestinians it was the Palestinians ancestors and the practise has been carried on by every muslim group ever since. Don't forget the 3 massacres in Hebron by the muslims before Zionism was even born.

Actually, before the more relatively recent colonization of North Africa and the Middle East by Europeans and European Zionist settlement of Palestine, Jews and Muslims were normally allies in both the Middle East and Spain against the Crusaders and the Christian Spaniards during the Reconquista. Jews, for example, who had been either all murdered or had fled Jerusalem when the Crusaders captured it, were invited to return after the Muslim reconquest of Jerusalem some 130 years later.

Stop posting ISLAMONAZI LIES, the real history books show that the Jews and Christians were virtually slaves of the muslims and had no actual rights. The Jews never left Jerusalem, and the ones doing the murdering were the muslims acting on the commands of their religion.

 

[aris2chat]

Pfffft.

The Palestinian's rights have been denied since day one. That is the root of the problems we still have today.

Everything you mentioned are merely symptoms of that original problem.

SHow how their rights have been denied, when you and the rest of the ISLAMONAZI TERRORIST SCUM are still trying to deny the Jews the same rights you claim for the arab muslims. You want to force the Jews into accepting muslim supremacy and control over their free determination, sovereignty and territorial integrity.

Not true.

I have always said that Palestinian Muslims, Christians, and Jews have equal rights.

Israeli muslims, christians and jews have equal rights in Israel. Palestinians get their rights from the PA. They think it their right to deny Israel a right to exist. To deny jews the right to live and pray in their ancient land or even step foot on the mount of their holy temple. Thy want to deny the Israeli the right to their very life.
Palestinians might not have the benefit of guided missiles but they still try to kill Israelis every day firing mortars at Israel towns, firing guns at Israels. Even rocks, with or without slings, are used as weapons in an attempt to kill Israelis. All the weapons being used by the palestinians are technically illegal, but waging war is more important than the health and needs of the palestinians to groups like Hamas and IJ.
When palestinians are willing to recognize Israel as a jewish state, lay down their arms
and speak to Israel as equal not bark demands and inflate demands to back out of talks, there might be some progress.
Can't very well talk peace when half the palestinians want Israel blood. Palestinians have to decide as a people that peace is the best option and come to negotiate seriously with Israel. Till then, if they act like obstinate overbearing brats terrorizing the neighborhood, why should they be treated as equals instead of criminals by any nation let alone Israel?

 

[montelatici]

SHow how their rights have been denied, when you and the rest of the ISLAMONAZI TERRORIST SCUM are still trying to deny the Jews the same rights you claim for the arab muslims. You want to force the Jews into accepting muslim supremacy and control over their free determination, sovereignty and territorial integrity.

Not true.

I have always said that Palestinian Muslims, Christians, and Jews have equal rights.

Israeli muslims, christians and jews have equal rights in Israel. Palestinians get their rights from the PA. They think it their right to deny Israel a right to exist. To deny jews the right to live and pray in their ancient land or even step foot on the mount of their holy temple. Thy want to deny the Israeli the right to their very life.
Palestinians might not have the benefit of guided missiles but they still try to kill Israelis every day firing mortars at Israel towns, firing guns at Israels. Even rocks, with or without slings, are used as weapons in an attempt to kill Israelis. All the weapons being used by the palestinians are technically illegal, but waging war is more important than the health and needs of the palestinians to groups like Hamas and IJ.
When palestinians are willing to recognize Israel as a jewish state, lay down their arms
and speak to Israel as equal not bark demands and inflate demands to back out of talks, there might be some progress.
Can't very well talk peace when half the palestinians want Israel blood. Palestinians have to decide as a people that peace is the best option and come to negotiate seriously with Israel. Till then, if they act like obstinate overbearing brats terrorizing the neighborhood, why should they be treated as equals instead of criminals by any nation let alone Israel?

"Israeli muslims, christians and jews have equal rights in Israel. Palestinians get their rights from the PA"

Oh come on, stop it with that fairy tale. It's like saying that the blacks of Qwa Qwa got their rights from Qwa Qwa. The Palestinian Authority doesn't even control its borders, how can it extend any rights?

You would have been an excellent spokesman for the South African regime. You would have said that the blacks wanted white blood, that the blacks were obstinate overbearing brats, terrorizing neighborhoods and you would ask, why should the blacks be treated as equals instead of as criminals (e.g. Mandela) by any nation let alone South Africa.

You mirror what Vorster and Botha often said in their speeches about the blacks.

 

[Sally]

Not true.

I have always said that Palestinian Muslims, Christians, and Jews have equal rights.

Israeli muslims, christians and jews have equal rights in Israel. Palestinians get their rights from the PA. They think it their right to deny Israel a right to exist. To deny jews the right to live and pray in their ancient land or even step foot on the mount of their holy temple. Thy want to deny the Israeli the right to their very life.
Palestinians might not have the benefit of guided missiles but they still try to kill Israelis every day firing mortars at Israel towns, firing guns at Israels. Even rocks, with or without slings, are used as weapons in an attempt to kill Israelis. All the weapons being used by the palestinians are technically illegal, but waging war is more important than the health and needs of the palestinians to groups like Hamas and IJ.
When palestinians are willing to recognize Israel as a jewish state, lay down their arms
and speak to Israel as equal not bark demands and inflate demands to back out of talks, there might be some progress.
Can't very well talk peace when half the palestinians want Israel blood. Palestinians have to decide as a people that peace is the best option and come to negotiate seriously with Israel. Till then, if they act like obstinate overbearing brats terrorizing the neighborhood, why should they be treated as equals instead of criminals by any nation let alone Israel?

"Israeli muslims, christians and jews have equal rights in Israel. Palestinians get their rights from the PA"

Oh come on, stop it with that fairy tale. It's like saying that the blacks of Qwa Qwa got their rights from Qwa Qwa. The Palestinian Authority doesn't even control its borders, how can it extend any rights?

You would have been an excellent spokesman for the South African regime. You would have said that the blacks wanted white blood, that the blacks were obstinate overbearing brats, terrorizing neighborhoods and you would ask, why should the blacks be treated as equals instead of as criminals (e.g. Mandela) by any nation let alone South Africa.

You mirror what Vorster and Botha often said in their speeches about the blacks.

Now Defeat67 is going to tell us about all the Blacks in South Africa who worked alongside the Whites in hospitals, research labs, etc. Go ahead, Defeat67, tell us all about them. Strange how there are Blacks who actually lived in South Africa under Apartheid; and after visiting Israel, say there is no Apartheid there. However, Muslims like Defeat67 will go on and on and on about so-called Apartheid in israel even while his fellow Muslims are busy murdering other Muslims elsewhere.- It is more important for him to demonize Israel than worry about the dead Muslim bodies.

 

[member]

Most Respectfully,
R

So tell us Rocco, does this mean the Israeli's can keep stealing land by annexation?

forgetit, you vs Rocco.

that's you...(not driving)



(sorry, )​

 

[toastman]

Member, promise you'll never leave us again....

 

[Phoenall]

Not true.

I have always said that Palestinian Muslims, Christians, and Jews have equal rights.

Israeli muslims, christians and jews have equal rights in Israel. Palestinians get their rights from the PA. They think it their right to deny Israel a right to exist. To deny jews the right to live and pray in their ancient land or even step foot on the mount of their holy temple. Thy want to deny the Israeli the right to their very life.
Palestinians might not have the benefit of guided missiles but they still try to kill Israelis every day firing mortars at Israel towns, firing guns at Israels. Even rocks, with or without slings, are used as weapons in an attempt to kill Israelis. All the weapons being used by the palestinians are technically illegal, but waging war is more important than the health and needs of the palestinians to groups like Hamas and IJ.
When palestinians are willing to recognize Israel as a jewish state, lay down their arms
and speak to Israel as equal not bark demands and inflate demands to back out of talks, there might be some progress.
Can't very well talk peace when half the palestinians want Israel blood. Palestinians have to decide as a people that peace is the best option and come to negotiate seriously with Israel. Till then, if they act like obstinate overbearing brats terrorizing the neighborhood, why should they be treated as equals instead of criminals by any nation let alone Israel?

"Israeli muslims, christians and jews have equal rights in Israel. Palestinians get their rights from the PA"

Oh come on, stop it with that fairy tale. It's like saying that the blacks of Qwa Qwa got their rights from Qwa Qwa. The Palestinian Authority doesn't even control its borders, how can it extend any rights?

You would have been an excellent spokesman for the South African regime. You would have said that the blacks wanted white blood, that the blacks were obstinate overbearing brats, terrorizing neighborhoods and you would ask, why should the blacks be treated as equals instead of as criminals (e.g. Mandela) by any nation let alone South Africa.

You mirror what Vorster and Botha often said in their speeches about the blacks.

Of course they cant control their borders, they have not negotiated any yet to control. But still the P.A. can control the way the Palestinians are treated by their own government, and what rights they have in regards to pay, working conditions, religious freedom, who they can marry, who can own property, who can build places of worship, who can ride horses, who can live in certain areas and finally who can not live in Palestine.

Now stop deflecting away from the subject matter and trying to bring S.A. into the equation. If you cant keep on topic then find another forum.

 

[montelatici]

The P.A. has no more control than the Bantustan governments had control over the citizenry. Give it a rest, your parroting of Zionist propaganda is boring.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Phoenall, Thanks for the link.

League of Nations mandate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From your link:

A disagreement regarding the legal status and the portion of the annuities to be paid by the "A" mandates was settled when an Arbitrator ruled that some of the mandates contained more than one State:

Iraq is a Kingdom in regard to which Great Britain has undertaken responsibilities equivalent to those of a Mandatory Power. Under the British mandate, Palestine and Transjordan have each an entirely separate organisation. We are, therefore, in the presence of three States sufficiently separate to be considered as distinct Parties.​

Three states: Iraq, Palestine, Transjordan.

Interesting.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Don't read more into this, than is written. I noticed that you highlighted the "least significiant" attribute and left the optimum phrase out.

Phoenall, Thanks for the link.

League of Nations mandate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From your link:

A disagreement regarding the legal status and the portion of the annuities to be paid by the "A" mandates was settled when an Arbitrator ruled that some of the mandates contained more than one State:

Iraq is a Kingdom in regard to which Great Britain has undertaken responsibilities equivalent to those of a Mandatory Power. Under the British mandate, Palestine and Transjordan have each an entirely separate organisation. We are, therefore, in the presence of three States sufficiently separate to be considered as distinct Parties.​

Three states: Iraq, Palestine, Transjordan.

Interesting.

(COMMENT)

The optimum phase is: "considered as distinct Parties."

You highlighted "three States."

The entire discussion is called a "political case of first impression;" a case in which a question of interpretation of law and political consequences are presented for consideration which have never arisen before in any precedent.

The separation of organization is principally due to the political promises made to Arab Leaders (quid pro quo); primarily the King of the Hejaz, on behalf of the sons and their future Kingdoms. Both Abdullah I (First King of Jordan) and Faisal I (First King of Iraq) were the sons of Hussein bin Ali, Grand Sharif of Mecca and the last of the Hashemite rulers over the Hejaz to be appointed by the Ottoman Sultan.

The Formula:

• [The British Mandate: From the Mediterranean to the frontier of Persia (Article 3, Lausanne Treaty)] - [The Faisal Kingdom (Iraq) + The Abdullah Kingdom (Jordan)] = Palestine (Territory West of the Jordan River to the Mediterranean)

THUS: The optimum phase is: "considered as distinct Parties."

The Faisal Kingdom (Iraq) and The Abdullah Kingdom (Jordan) were quasi-rewards for the contributions made by the Arab Hashemite Bedouin clan of the Arabian Peninsula during WWI. In contrast, the Haj Amin al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, an early Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) Leader, was a serving officer in the Ottoman Army in World War I; and later, sided with the Germans in WWII in return for politically backing the Arab independence movement and support opposition to the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish national home. The Grand Mufti, chose poorly both time, but he did lay the foundation for HoAP political leanings. (Notice, no Kingdom for him or the HoAP. I often wondered if there was a connection.)

Yes, as you say, "interesting."

Most Respectfully,
R