Terrorist Snipers Open Fire on IDF Soldiers

[Billo_Really]

Why is comparing a robber coming to your house with a gun to the situation between Israel and the Palestinians in the West Bank a demented comparison??

I think me asking that question answers yours..

Repeating the question, does not answer the question, as to why it's a "demented comparison".

Are you going to explain why? Yes or no?

BTW, we both know you're not, because you can't. So cut the foreplay!

 

[Sally]

Who were patriots?

Next Defeat67 will be telling us that the Republican Guards in Iran are patriots. Isn't it funny that Defeat67 should tell someone to stop their blabbering after all the blabbering he has done?

Which occupying army have the Republican Guards of Iran fought against? I am sure they are patriots, but I don't think they have had the opportunity to fight an occupying army, yet.

Maybe you left to avoid the Republic Guards since they really do a number on the unfortunate people of Iran who would like to be free of those religious crazies running the country. You didn't want to end up like another Neda, did you?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, let's hear it!

BTW, defending your country is not a political purpose.

(COMMENT)

What is the purpose of the Jihad and Armed Struggle?

What country are you defending? Where are your borders? And don't start with that 1924 crap, it doesn't work. Speak practically, today, where is your country and who governs?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hossfly]

Who were patriots?

Next Defeat67 will be telling us that the Republican Guards in Iran are patriots. Isn't it funny that Defeat67 should tell someone to stop their blabbering after all the blabbering he has done?

Which occupying army have the Republican Guards of Iran fought against? I am sure they are patriots, but I don't think they have had the opportunity to fight an occupying army, yet.

Was that just a tea party Iran and Iraq was engaged in a few years back?

 

[toastman]

Why is comparing a robber coming to your house with a gun to the situation between Israel and the Palestinians in the West Bank a demented comparison??

I think me asking that question answers yours..

Repeating the question, does not answer the question, as to why it's a "demented comparison".

Are you going to explain why? Yes or no?

BTW, we both know you're not, because you can't. So cut the foreplay!

Because they're not even close to being similar situations Billo.

The fact that you don't realize this kind of freaks me out.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is flawed.

International law states that occupations can enforce local laws. But it is not illegal under international law.

Nobody is going to the Hague for popping off foreign troops.

No, but they will be put in Israeli jails, like many many have already.

Shooting a soldier who's sitting down or sleeping on a bus serves no purpose.
It is not 'resistance' by any means.

(COMMENT)

There is no international law or concept that supports your claim.

While not applicable, even the International Criminal Court has statues against murder:

1. For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:

(a) Murder;​

SOURCE: PART 2. JURISDICTION, ADMISSIBILITY AND APPLICABLE LAW

Even the court understands that the fundamental idea that "the murder" of an Occupation Force member is wrong.

The reason no one is rushing to The Hague (ICC) is because the local jurisdiction has a handle on the situation as far as enforcement and judicial venue is concerned.

For decades, the Pro-Palestinian Movement has been attempting to twist and turn some aspect of law in their favor to pursue Jihad and Armed Struggle. An attempt to give it some legitimacy. But the fact is, it cannot be done.

Yes, Israel has made it share of mistakes; to be sure. But there is no law that promotes or furthers the Palestinian call to Jihad and Arm Struggle. And the very idea that the Palestinians believe that the they are somehow empowered to commit these acts, demonstrates how far they are from understanding the Rule of Law and the manner in which a civilized culture should conduct its activities.

Anyone that cannot refrain from organizing or encouraging the organization of irregular forces or armed bands, including Jihadist, Fedayeen and designated terrorist organizations, to pursue armed struggles to solve political disputes, simply doesn't understand the fundamental Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States.

The entire agenda behind the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) Movement is to overturn the establishment of the Jewish State. For the underlying HoAP and the organizational infrastructures behind it, the unspoken agenda is the attainment power, money and influence. There is no struggle for peace. There is no agenda for peace. The HoAP wants --- wants --- wants and wants something they never built and could not get otherwise through their own initiatives.

The very idea that such that they have some special exemption to commit mayhem and murder for more than 6 decades is simply a portrait of they moral attitude and judgment. It spells-out the very essence of their culture. It exhibits a society of Palestinians which manifests an amoral and antisocial behavior; and a lack of ability to establish meaningful politically peaceful relationships. It is a people which are extreme egocentricity, having failure to learn from experience, over the past 60 odd years.

Most Respectfully,
R

Even the court understands that the fundamental idea that "the murder" of an Occupation Force member is wrong.

Show me the law that states that killing foreign troops is murder.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, let's hear it!

BTW, defending your country is not a political purpose.

(COMMENT)

What is the purpose of the Jihad and Armed Struggle?

What country are you defending? Where are your borders? And don't start with that 1924 crap, it doesn't work. Speak practically, today, where is your country and who governs?

Most Respectfully,
R

If you would answer the question you have been ducking, you would know.

 

[Sally]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is flawed.

No, but they will be put in Israeli jails, like many many have already.

Shooting a soldier who's sitting down or sleeping on a bus serves no purpose.
It is not 'resistance' by any means.

(COMMENT)

There is no international law or concept that supports your claim.

While not applicable, even the International Criminal Court has statues against murder:



Even the court understands that the fundamental idea that "the murder" of an Occupation Force member is wrong.

The reason no one is rushing to The Hague (ICC) is because the local jurisdiction has a handle on the situation as far as enforcement and judicial venue is concerned.

For decades, the Pro-Palestinian Movement has been attempting to twist and turn some aspect of law in their favor to pursue Jihad and Armed Struggle. An attempt to give it some legitimacy. But the fact is, it cannot be done.

Yes, Israel has made it share of mistakes; to be sure. But there is no law that promotes or furthers the Palestinian call to Jihad and Arm Struggle. And the very idea that the Palestinians believe that the they are somehow empowered to commit these acts, demonstrates how far they are from understanding the Rule of Law and the manner in which a civilized culture should conduct its activities.

Anyone that cannot refrain from organizing or encouraging the organization of irregular forces or armed bands, including Jihadist, Fedayeen and designated terrorist organizations, to pursue armed struggles to solve political disputes, simply doesn't understand the fundamental Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States.

The entire agenda behind the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) Movement is to overturn the establishment of the Jewish State. For the underlying HoAP and the organizational infrastructures behind it, the unspoken agenda is the attainment power, money and influence. There is no struggle for peace. There is no agenda for peace. The HoAP wants --- wants --- wants and wants something they never built and could not get otherwise through their own initiatives.

The very idea that such that they have some special exemption to commit mayhem and murder for more than 6 decades is simply a portrait of they moral attitude and judgment. It spells-out the very essence of their culture. It exhibits a society of Palestinians which manifests an amoral and antisocial behavior; and a lack of ability to establish meaningful politically peaceful relationships. It is a people which are extreme egocentricity, having failure to learn from experience, over the past 60 odd years.

Most Respectfully,
R

Even the court understands that the fundamental idea that "the murder" of an Occupation Force member is wrong.

Show me the law that states that killing foreign troops is murder.

Why, M. Tinmore, probably almost all of the IDF troops were born there so how can you call them foreigners? If anyone's children were born in the U.S. regardless of where their parents come from, is anyone calling them foreigners? Now when your brethren are going into Syria from all parts of the world to conduct their Jihad, then they are foreigners.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is flawed.


(COMMENT)

There is no international law or concept that supports your claim.

While not applicable, even the International Criminal Court has statues against murder:



Even the court understands that the fundamental idea that "the murder" of an Occupation Force member is wrong.

The reason no one is rushing to The Hague (ICC) is because the local jurisdiction has a handle on the situation as far as enforcement and judicial venue is concerned.

For decades, the Pro-Palestinian Movement has been attempting to twist and turn some aspect of law in their favor to pursue Jihad and Armed Struggle. An attempt to give it some legitimacy. But the fact is, it cannot be done.

Yes, Israel has made it share of mistakes; to be sure. But there is no law that promotes or furthers the Palestinian call to Jihad and Arm Struggle. And the very idea that the Palestinians believe that the they are somehow empowered to commit these acts, demonstrates how far they are from understanding the Rule of Law and the manner in which a civilized culture should conduct its activities.

Anyone that cannot refrain from organizing or encouraging the organization of irregular forces or armed bands, including Jihadist, Fedayeen and designated terrorist organizations, to pursue armed struggles to solve political disputes, simply doesn't understand the fundamental Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States.

The entire agenda behind the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) Movement is to overturn the establishment of the Jewish State. For the underlying HoAP and the organizational infrastructures behind it, the unspoken agenda is the attainment power, money and influence. There is no struggle for peace. There is no agenda for peace. The HoAP wants --- wants --- wants and wants something they never built and could not get otherwise through their own initiatives.

The very idea that such that they have some special exemption to commit mayhem and murder for more than 6 decades is simply a portrait of they moral attitude and judgment. It spells-out the very essence of their culture. It exhibits a society of Palestinians which manifests an amoral and antisocial behavior; and a lack of ability to establish meaningful politically peaceful relationships. It is a people which are extreme egocentricity, having failure to learn from experience, over the past 60 odd years.

Most Respectfully,
R

Even the court understands that the fundamental idea that "the murder" of an Occupation Force member is wrong.

Show me the law that states that killing foreign troops is murder.

Why, M. Tinmore, probably almost all of the IDF troops were born there so how can you call them foreigners? If anyone's children were born in the U.S. regardless of where their parents come from, is anyone calling them foreigners? Now when your brethren are going into Syria from all parts of the world to conduct their Jihad, then they are foreigners.

Almost all Palestinians killed by Israel are killed in Palestine.

They are foreign troops.

 

[Sally]

Show me the law that states that killing foreign troops is murder.

Why, M. Tinmore, probably almost all of the IDF troops were born there so how can you call them foreigners? If anyone's children were born in the U.S. regardless of where their parents come from, is anyone calling them foreigners? Now when your brethren are going into Syria from all parts of the world to conduct their Jihad, then they are foreigners.

Almost all Palestinians killed by Israel are killed in Palestine.

They are foreign troops.

But you think that Israel proper is Palestine too, and your Palestinian friends are always trying to kill Israelis and some times succeed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why, M. Tinmore, probably almost all of the IDF troops were born there so how can you call them foreigners? If anyone's children were born in the U.S. regardless of where their parents come from, is anyone calling them foreigners? Now when your brethren are going into Syria from all parts of the world to conduct their Jihad, then they are foreigners.

Almost all Palestinians killed by Israel are killed in Palestine.

They are foreign troops.

But you think that Israel proper is Palestine too, and your Palestinian friends are always trying to kill Israelis and some times succeed.

The occupation of the West Bank and Gaza is a western thing. In Palestine, Israel is regularly called 48. Palestinians living in Israel are called 1948 Palestinians.

Probably because Israel has never acquired the land it sits on.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is flawed.


(COMMENT)

There is no international law or concept that supports your claim.

While not applicable, even the International Criminal Court has statues against murder:



Even the court understands that the fundamental idea that "the murder" of an Occupation Force member is wrong.

The reason no one is rushing to The Hague (ICC) is because the local jurisdiction has a handle on the situation as far as enforcement and judicial venue is concerned.

For decades, the Pro-Palestinian Movement has been attempting to twist and turn some aspect of law in their favor to pursue Jihad and Armed Struggle. An attempt to give it some legitimacy. But the fact is, it cannot be done.

Yes, Israel has made it share of mistakes; to be sure. But there is no law that promotes or furthers the Palestinian call to Jihad and Arm Struggle. And the very idea that the Palestinians believe that the they are somehow empowered to commit these acts, demonstrates how far they are from understanding the Rule of Law and the manner in which a civilized culture should conduct its activities.

Anyone that cannot refrain from organizing or encouraging the organization of irregular forces or armed bands, including Jihadist, Fedayeen and designated terrorist organizations, to pursue armed struggles to solve political disputes, simply doesn't understand the fundamental Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States.

The entire agenda behind the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) Movement is to overturn the establishment of the Jewish State. For the underlying HoAP and the organizational infrastructures behind it, the unspoken agenda is the attainment power, money and influence. There is no struggle for peace. There is no agenda for peace. The HoAP wants --- wants --- wants and wants something they never built and could not get otherwise through their own initiatives.

The very idea that such that they have some special exemption to commit mayhem and murder for more than 6 decades is simply a portrait of they moral attitude and judgment. It spells-out the very essence of their culture. It exhibits a society of Palestinians which manifests an amoral and antisocial behavior; and a lack of ability to establish meaningful politically peaceful relationships. It is a people which are extreme egocentricity, having failure to learn from experience, over the past 60 odd years.

Most Respectfully,
R

Even the court understands that the fundamental idea that "the murder" of an Occupation Force member is wrong.

Show me the law that states that killing foreign troops is murder.

Why, M. Tinmore, probably almost all of the IDF troops were born there so how can you call them foreigners? If anyone's children were born in the U.S. regardless of where their parents come from, is anyone calling them foreigners? Now when your brethren are going into Syria from all parts of the world to conduct their Jihad, then they are foreigners.

Excuse Tinmore, he doesn't know what the word foreign means.
You're talking to a guy who thinks Tel Aviv is occupied

 

[toastman]

Almost all Palestinians killed by Israel are killed in Palestine.

They are foreign troops.

But you think that Israel proper is Palestine too, and your Palestinian friends are always trying to kill Israelis and some times succeed.

The occupation of the West Bank and Gaza is a western thing. In Palestine, Israel is regularly called 48. Palestinians living in Israel are called 1948 Palestinians.

Probably because Israel has never acquired the land it sits on.

Where did you read that Israel had to acquire the land it sits on??
Again, you made the whole acquiring thing up.
The fact is. 'Acquiring land' is a PF Tinmore pre requisite for Israel to have become a legit state.
Unfortunately for you, your pre requisites mean nothing in the real world.

 

[toastman]

Almost all Palestinians killed by Israel are killed in Palestine.

They are foreign troops.

But you think that Israel proper is Palestine too, and your Palestinian friends are always trying to kill Israelis and some times succeed.

The occupation of the West Bank and Gaza is a western thing. In Palestine, Israel is regularly called 48. Palestinians living in Israel are called 1948 Palestinians.

Probably because Israel has never acquired the land it sits on.

Bullshit, the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza is a worldwide thing.

You have no idea what you're talking about and you're living in a fictitious world

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Really, et al,

Let's walk through this a step at a time.

Wow! Is about all I can say. I can hardly believe the number of pro-Palestinian Activist that have this mistaken belief that they have some special right to conduct hostile action against the Occupation Force.

Mistaken belief?

Everyone in the world has the basic right to resist a foreign force. You can't get a more basic right than that.

So according to your logic, it was okay for Germany to annex Poland?

(COMMENT)

On the matter of "resistance:" What is this "right" you cite? Does it say "armed resistance?" Or, does it say: "refrain from the threat or use of force?"

On the matter of Poland as an analogy. I don't believe I said anything of the sort you imply here. And by way of analogy, Israel DID NOT annex either the West Bank or Gaza Strip.

So that means targeting the Palestinians in militia uniform is resistance as well, or do you apply a different set of rules for the Jews ?

(COMMENT)

The establishment of law and order, and the suppression of Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) violence is not resistance (from an Israeli perspective).

Why are you trying to force Judaism into a political issue?

(COMMENT)

I'm not. The establishment of a Jewish State was a UN adopted recommendation.

My mind was made up. An "occupation", is an offensive act of war. Resisting an "occupation", is self defense.

(COMMENT)

First remember that the West Bank, at the time the occupation began, was not Palestinian Territory. It was sovereign Jordanian territory. There is a Peace Treaty with Jordan. The Israelis did not suppress the right of self-determination (Palestinian Independence). The territory is occupied for a number of reasons, least of all, it is strategic territory, critical to the protection of the Sovereignty of Israel; inhabitied by a hostile indigenous people.

You're full of shit there! So if a robber comes into your home with a gun, you have no right to shoot him?

(COMMENT)

The analogy is not applicable.

Every State has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States. ​

NEXT

I don't know why you posted that, because Israel isn't respecting any Palestinian laws.

(COMMENT)

OK, maybe some piece of that is true. But is it utilizing the basic tenants "under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began." At the time the occupation began, there was no "Palestinian Law."

Extra-judicial assassinations of Hamas members, violates Israel's "obligation" per Article 64. Because murdering members of the Gazan government, is not maintaining an "orderly government".

(COMMENT)

Is it necessary to maintain the security of Israeli sovereignty and for the protection of Israeli citizens. I say yes!

Article 64. The penal laws of the occupied territory shall remain in force, with the exception that they may be repealed or suspended by the Occupying Power in cases where they constitute a threat to its security or an obstacle to the application of the present Convention.​

Boy, does Israel shit on that rule!

(COMMENT)

May be! But is it necessary in the face of a hostile and belligerent enemy population? I say yes!

This linking of the legitimacy of participants in hostilities and the enforcement of the law means that police forces of the occupied territory can lawfully be employed against insurgents in all but the most exceptional of circumstances, since the likelihood of a resistance movement meeting the requirements of Geneva Convention III has long been viewed as very remote.

The Palestinian's are not insurgents, those psycho-Israeli settlers are.

Furthermore, it is against IHL to change the demographics of an area under occupation.

(COMMENT)

No matter what name you choose, the HoAP are a hostile and belligerent enemy population. They go out of their way to incite violence. A "band guy" by any other name is still a "bad guy."

I will grant you that the entirely Settlement Program is flawed, and that the Settlers had been less than helpful in the establishment of peace.

The demographics was an Oslo Accord agreement, beyond the customary law. The Palestinians agreed to the establishment of Areas "A, B and C."

I hope this ICRC Paper helps to shake some of the cobwebs loose.

You need to walk your talk, buster and stop being such a hypocrite.

(COMMENT)

Hummm! I'm not sure what that means.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

But you think that Israel proper is Palestine too, and your Palestinian friends are always trying to kill Israelis and some times succeed.

The occupation of the West Bank and Gaza is a western thing. In Palestine, Israel is regularly called 48. Palestinians living in Israel are called 1948 Palestinians.

Probably because Israel has never acquired the land it sits on.

Where did you read that Israel had to acquire the land it sits on??
Again, you made the whole acquiring thing up.
The fact is. 'Acquiring land' is a PF Tinmore pre requisite for Israel to have become a legit state.
Unfortunately for you, your pre requisites mean nothing in the real world.

I am just stating facts.

Politics don't care much for facts.

 

[Sally]

Almost all Palestinians killed by Israel are killed in Palestine.

They are foreign troops.

But you think that Israel proper is Palestine too, and your Palestinian friends are always trying to kill Israelis and some times succeed.

The occupation of the West Bank and Gaza is a western thing. In Palestine, Israel is regularly called 48. Palestinians living in Israel are called 1948 Palestinians.

Probably because Israel has never acquired the land it sits on.

Are you actually telling us that the Palestinians acquired the land of Israel? I don't think so. It seems that the land was owned by the Turks, many of them rich landowners, then the British won the right to the land, and then the land of Israel was ceded to the Jews. I would imagine that you have no problem with that huge portion of the Mandate given to Jordan since the Jordanians are Muslims and not Jews. I guess Mr. Tinmore expects to be called a 1948 Palestinian when he returns from being a refugee here in America.

In history, Mr. Tinmore, much land has changed hands.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Every State has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State...

You always crack me up with that one.

What international boundaries have the Palestinians ever crossed?

 

[toastman]

The occupation of the West Bank and Gaza is a western thing. In Palestine, Israel is regularly called 48. Palestinians living in Israel are called 1948 Palestinians.

Probably because Israel has never acquired the land it sits on.

Where did you read that Israel had to acquire the land it sits on??
Again, you made the whole acquiring thing up.
The fact is. 'Acquiring land' is a PF Tinmore pre requisite for Israel to have become a legit state.
Unfortunately for you, your pre requisites mean nothing in the real world.

I am just stating facts.

Politics don't care much for facts.

You cant just name a bold statement like that a d say you are stating facts without backing it yo.

Still no link I see, just more ducking as usual.

 

[P F Tinmore]

But you think that Israel proper is Palestine too, and your Palestinian friends are always trying to kill Israelis and some times succeed.

The occupation of the West Bank and Gaza is a western thing. In Palestine, Israel is regularly called 48. Palestinians living in Israel are called 1948 Palestinians.

Probably because Israel has never acquired the land it sits on.

Are you actually telling us that the Palestinians acquired the land of Israel? I don't think so. It seems that the land was owned by the Turks, many of them rich landowners, then the British won the right to the land, and then the land of Israel was ceded to the Jews. I would imagine that you have no problem with that huge portion of the Mandate given to Jordan since the Jordanians are Muslims and not Jews. I guess Mr. Tinmore expects to be called a 1948 Palestinian when he returns from being a refugee here in America.

In history, Mr. Tinmore, much land has changed hands.

Indeed it has, but in this case no.