Terri Schiavo's Husband: Jeb Bush 'Put Me Through Hell'

[kaz]

Well, if you agree that this was the "right" thing to do

You don't know the difference between the right to do something and it being the right thing to do? Seriously? A Christian doesn't know the difference between those?

 

[ChrisL]

Like others have said, you wouldn't even treat your DOG this way.

 

[Faun]

The only other people who conveniently came up with that testimony only did so years later after he rec'd a 1,5 million dollar settlement.....and it was Michael, his brother and his sister in law. All had motive to lie.

You keep saying that, however M.S. got $300,000 not 1.5 million. The settlement was 2 million, the lawyers got about half. $750,000 was setup to pay medical bills, and M.S. received the remaining $300,000. The schism with the parents started shortly after that after refusing to give the parents a cut.

Like I said, he should have divorced her. If he had wanted to move on, divorcing her and leaving her care to someone else would have been the appropriate thing to do.

Can't get a 1.5 million dollar settlement that way though.

The malpractice case was settled long before the 1998 request to allow Terri's body to not be maintained via artificial means.

The bodies continued existence at that point had nothing to do with a case that had already been settled.


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I know when the settlement was settled and
700,000 was put in a trust fund for Terri's medical care. He denied medical care and instead used that money to pay the legal fees he accrued trying to kill her.

The man wouldn't even let the nursing home treat a urinary tract infection.

Now you're flat out lying. The money went into trust for her medical expenses, which were enormous.

None of your excuses for this man's heartless behavior towards this woman's parents are valid. There is absolutely no reason why he could not divorce her and leave her to her parents' care. No reason at all, except that he didn't want her around anymore. Perhaps that helped to quell some of his guilt for cheating on his wife.

Stop lying. Of course there was a valid reason ... to end her persistent vegetative state, of which, there was no return.

 

[Lakhota]

Breathing and heart beating are autonomic functions, and she had no brain waves, you can't change that fact, you can just ignore it, which you keep trying to do.

If she was still breathing without the help of a machine, then she was not "brain dead." She was severely retarded. Brain dead people are hooked up to machines because they're brains aren't making any connections with the rest of the body, such as the heart, lungs, etc.

If I am ever in her state then I hope you people are ignored and they give me a shot and end it. Especially if you are right that she had awareness. Though she obviously didn't.

Look, if she was in pain and suffering, I would agree, but she wasn't suffering until they disconnected her feeding tube. That CAUSED her to suffer.

Please give us some "credible" proof that having her feeding tube disconnected CAUSED her to suffer. Based on my research - that is NOT true!

I already posted a link with eyewitness accounts from her priest, parents and friends. She was in pain when they disconnected her feeding tube. She was allowed to starve for 2 weeks. Ever feel hungry before?

Yes, I've felt "hungry" before - but my brain wasn't soup.

 

[kaz]

You're ******* wrong. She was not a "flat liner." She could breath on her own, and her heart was still beating.

Brain Dead is Dead Serendip Studio

Breathing and heart beating are autonomic functions, and she had no brain waves, you can't change that fact, you can just ignore it, which you keep trying to do.

If she was still breathing without the help of a machine, then she was not "brain dead." She was severely retarded. Brain dead people are hooked up to machines because they're brains aren't making any connections with the rest of the body, such as the heart, lungs, etc.

If I am ever in her state then I hope you people are ignored and they give me a shot and end it. Especially if you are right that she had awareness. Though she obviously didn't.

Look, if she was in pain and suffering, I would agree, but she wasn't suffering until they disconnected her feeding tube. That CAUSED her to suffer.

Please give us some "credible" proof that having her feeding tube disconnected CAUSED her to suffer. Based on my research - that is NOT true!

Not only are the ones who are complaining she suffered, they are the ones who prevent her from being given a shot so she doesn't suffer. And in fact, they prevent doctors from giving people with painful illnesses facing imminent death from getting a shot to end it in fact knowingly causing people to suffer.

 

[ChrisL]

The only other people who conveniently came up with that testimony only did so years later after he rec'd a 1,5 million dollar settlement.....and it was Michael, his brother and his sister in law. All had motive to lie.

You keep saying that, however M.S. got $300,000 not 1.5 million. The settlement was 2 million, the lawyers got about half. $750,000 was setup to pay medical bills, and M.S. received the remaining $300,000. The schism with the parents started shortly after that after refusing to give the parents a cut.

Can't get a 1.5 million dollar settlement that way though.

The malpractice case was settled long before the 1998 request to allow Terri's body to not be maintained via artificial means.

The bodies continued existence at that point had nothing to do with a case that had already been settled.


>>>>>

I know when the settlement was settled and
700,000 was put in a trust fund for Terri's medical care. He denied medical care and instead used that money to pay the legal fees he accrued trying to kill her.

The man wouldn't even let the nursing home treat a urinary tract infection.

Now you're flat out lying. The money went into trust for her medical expenses, which were enormous.

None of your excuses for this man's heartless behavior towards this woman's parents are valid. There is absolutely no reason why he could not divorce her and leave her to her parents' care. No reason at all, except that he didn't want her around anymore. Perhaps that helped to quell some of his guilt for cheating on his wife.

Stop lying. Of course there was a valid reason ... to end her persistent vegetative state, of which, there was no return.

That is not a valid reason. She was conscious and responded to people, according to eye witnesses. Since you never saw her yourself, I will take their accounts over yours.

 

[ChrisL]

If she was still breathing without the help of a machine, then she was not "brain dead." She was severely retarded. Brain dead people are hooked up to machines because they're brains aren't making any connections with the rest of the body, such as the heart, lungs, etc.

If I am ever in her state then I hope you people are ignored and they give me a shot and end it. Especially if you are right that she had awareness. Though she obviously didn't.

Look, if she was in pain and suffering, I would agree, but she wasn't suffering until they disconnected her feeding tube. That CAUSED her to suffer.

Please give us some "credible" proof that having her feeding tube disconnected CAUSED her to suffer. Based on my research - that is NOT true!

I already posted a link with eyewitness accounts from her priest, parents and friends. She was in pain when they disconnected her feeding tube. She was allowed to starve for 2 weeks. Ever feel hungry before?

Yes, I've felt "hungry" before - but my brain wasn't soup.

Retarded people feel pain, moron.

 

[kaz]

Like others have said, you wouldn't even treat your DOG this way.

True, I would do the humanitarian thing and had the vet give my dog a shot to end it. Actually, I have done that, more than once...

 

[ChrisL]

Breathing and heart beating are autonomic functions, and she had no brain waves, you can't change that fact, you can just ignore it, which you keep trying to do.

If she was still breathing without the help of a machine, then she was not "brain dead." She was severely retarded. Brain dead people are hooked up to machines because they're brains aren't making any connections with the rest of the body, such as the heart, lungs, etc.

If I am ever in her state then I hope you people are ignored and they give me a shot and end it. Especially if you are right that she had awareness. Though she obviously didn't.

Look, if she was in pain and suffering, I would agree, but she wasn't suffering until they disconnected her feeding tube. That CAUSED her to suffer.

Please give us some "credible" proof that having her feeding tube disconnected CAUSED her to suffer. Based on my research - that is NOT true!

Not only are the ones who are complaining she suffered, they are the ones who prevent her from being given a shot so she doesn't suffer. And in fact, they prevent doctors from giving people with painful illnesses facing imminent death from getting a shot to end it in fact knowingly causing people to suffer.

That is irrelevant to this case because, as of right now, it is not legal to do such a thing. Therefore, everyone knew she would suffer.

 

[kaz]

If I am ever in her state then I hope you people are ignored and they give me a shot and end it. Especially if you are right that she had awareness. Though she obviously didn't.

Look, if she was in pain and suffering, I would agree, but she wasn't suffering until they disconnected her feeding tube. That CAUSED her to suffer.

Please give us some "credible" proof that having her feeding tube disconnected CAUSED her to suffer. Based on my research - that is NOT true!

I already posted a link with eyewitness accounts from her priest, parents and friends. She was in pain when they disconnected her feeding tube. She was allowed to starve for 2 weeks. Ever feel hungry before?

Yes, I've felt "hungry" before - but my brain wasn't soup.

Retarded people feel pain, moron.

True, but they have brainwaves.

 

[kaz]

If she was still breathing without the help of a machine, then she was not "brain dead." She was severely retarded. Brain dead people are hooked up to machines because they're brains aren't making any connections with the rest of the body, such as the heart, lungs, etc.

If I am ever in her state then I hope you people are ignored and they give me a shot and end it. Especially if you are right that she had awareness. Though she obviously didn't.

Look, if she was in pain and suffering, I would agree, but she wasn't suffering until they disconnected her feeding tube. That CAUSED her to suffer.

Please give us some "credible" proof that having her feeding tube disconnected CAUSED her to suffer. Based on my research - that is NOT true!

Not only are the ones who are complaining she suffered, they are the ones who prevent her from being given a shot so she doesn't suffer. And in fact, they prevent doctors from giving people with painful illnesses facing imminent death from getting a shot to end it in fact knowingly causing people to suffer.

That is irrelevant to this case because, as of right now, it is not legal to do such a thing. Therefore, everyone knew she would suffer.

Because of course our bodies belong to government, not ourselves

 

[Lakhota]

Kenneth Goodman, director of bioethics at the University of Miami School of Medicine and a co-director of the Florida Bioethics Network said that the "removal of feeding tubes is a common practice." He said that there is no pain involved in dying of dehydration and/or starvation.: "Soon after nourishment is denied to the brain, it begins producing chemicals that act as a natural anesthetic. She is not going to feel a thing. The artificial pain medication that Schiavo will receive is to make sure that if there is [pain], it is adequately handled."

More: Euthanasia and Terri Schiavo: What death by dehydration involves

Terri did not feel pain.

 

[ChrisL]

Kenneth Goodman, director of bioethics at the University of Miami School of Medicine and a co-director of the Florida Bioethics Network said that the "removal of feeding tubes is a common practice." He said that there is no pain involved in dying of dehydration and/or starvation.: "Soon after nourishment is denied to the brain, it begins producing chemicals that act as a natural anesthetic. She is not going to feel a thing. The artificial pain medication that Schiavo will receive is to make sure that if there is [pain], it is adequately handled."

More: Euthanasia and Terri Schiavo: What death by dehydration involves

Terri did not feel pain.

That's not what the eyewitnesses saw. They saw her gasping and panting and making pain faces.

 

[ChrisL]

Kenneth Goodman, director of bioethics at the University of Miami School of Medicine and a co-director of the Florida Bioethics Network said that the "removal of feeding tubes is a common practice." He said that there is no pain involved in dying of dehydration and/or starvation.: "Soon after nourishment is denied to the brain, it begins producing chemicals that act as a natural anesthetic. She is not going to feel a thing. The artificial pain medication that Schiavo will receive is to make sure that if there is [pain], it is adequately handled."

More: Euthanasia and Terri Schiavo: What death by dehydration involves

Terri did not feel pain.

From YOUR link, you DB. You are just as ROTTEN as her husband.

However, at least one physician disagrees. He appears to believe that Terri is conscious and felt pain, even though her brain's higher functions had ceased functioning:. According to Dr. Lieberman, at UCLA Medical Center, Terri was expected to suffer tremendously. He said: "When the body is starved it has to 'eat itself' in order to provide energy to continue vital functions. Weight loss can reach 50%, meaning Terri will become a living skeleton. Eventually, her heart and lungs will fail – unless she is first overcome by infection due to compromised immunity. Total starvation is generally fatal in 8-12 weeks. By denying Terri water as well, she would die sooner – perhaps within 2 weeks, after anxiety, seizures, falling blood pressure, confusion and coma. Two weeks is a long time to suffer." 2

 

[tinydancer]

The only reason why I think the judge would have sided with the husband is because he was the husband. He thought the same as a lot of you seem to think, that the parents have no say in their daughter's life because she was married. Well, I don't believe that. They will always be her parents, regardless of whether or not she is married, and I would trust their unconditional love over a man who was cheating on her.

1) He wasn't cheating on her.
2) Other people she knew confirmed that she wouldn't want to be kept alive under such circumstances.
3) Such decisions are given to spouses for a reason.

Terri's own family encouraged him to start dating and to move on with his life.

So WHAT? Is he a little baby incapable of keeping his own vows. Okay, I'm going to tell you to go cheat on your wife now. It's okay.

His wife was dead for all intent and purposes. Her family had even accepted that and wanted him to get on with his life.

Oh sweet Lord. Her family never accepted that she was dead. Ever. They fought valiantly till the end.

Michael was content to keep Terri alive until he got the settlement money from the malpractice suit.

And then lo and behold out of the blue old murdering Mikey started saying that Terri told him she never wanted to be kept alive by artificial means.

BUT ONLY after he got the $$$$$$$$$$$$ from the lawsuit.

 

[Lakhota]

Kenneth Goodman, director of bioethics at the University of Miami School of Medicine and a co-director of the Florida Bioethics Network said that the "removal of feeding tubes is a common practice." He said that there is no pain involved in dying of dehydration and/or starvation.: "Soon after nourishment is denied to the brain, it begins producing chemicals that act as a natural anesthetic. She is not going to feel a thing. The artificial pain medication that Schiavo will receive is to make sure that if there is [pain], it is adequately handled."

More: Euthanasia and Terri Schiavo: What death by dehydration involves

Terri did not feel pain.

That's not what the eyewitnesses saw. They saw her gasping and panting and making pain faces.

Who were those supposed "eyewitnesses"? Give us some "credible" proof of your claim.

 

[ChrisL]

Kenneth Goodman, director of bioethics at the University of Miami School of Medicine and a co-director of the Florida Bioethics Network said that the "removal of feeding tubes is a common practice." He said that there is no pain involved in dying of dehydration and/or starvation.: "Soon after nourishment is denied to the brain, it begins producing chemicals that act as a natural anesthetic. She is not going to feel a thing. The artificial pain medication that Schiavo will receive is to make sure that if there is [pain], it is adequately handled."

More: Euthanasia and Terri Schiavo: What death by dehydration involves

Terri did not feel pain.

Another from your own link, you dishonest POS.

Dr. David Stevens. executive director of the conservative Christian Medical and Dental Associations said that initial effects of the lack of hydration will include extreme thirst, nausea, and cramping. Her skin will dry out and become wrinkled as fluids are drawn from the skin to hydrate the organs. He said: "She's likely to become dizzy and begin to have cramping in her arms and legs. That's because her electrolytes – her sodium, potassium, and other electrolytes in her blood – start getting out of whack because of lack of fluids....She'll see decreased secretions. If she tries to cry, she won't be able to make tears very well, if at all. Her mouth will become dry and saliva thick. You can have cracking of the (mucous membranes) of the mouth and lips as they dry out. People often get headaches, then (become) lethargic and finally go into coma. It actually can cause seizures. As it progressively gets worse, what happens (are) the physical signs. Her blood pressure will drop, her heart rate will pick up. She'll actually, ultimately go into shock. You just don't have enough fluid to keep your blood pressure up, and it drops so low, and that sometimes can be a terminal event, or an arrhythmia of her heart. Her blood will get thicker. Sometimes, people who are severely dehydrated will actually have strokes just because the blood gets so thick that it clots. It's not a pretty picture....If they sedate her, she could be semi-conscious or unconscious while this is going on. It's not a very pleasant experience, unlike what the Hemlock Society and other groups try to make you believe." 5

 

[ChrisL]

Kenneth Goodman, director of bioethics at the University of Miami School of Medicine and a co-director of the Florida Bioethics Network said that the "removal of feeding tubes is a common practice." He said that there is no pain involved in dying of dehydration and/or starvation.: "Soon after nourishment is denied to the brain, it begins producing chemicals that act as a natural anesthetic. She is not going to feel a thing. The artificial pain medication that Schiavo will receive is to make sure that if there is [pain], it is adequately handled."

More: Euthanasia and Terri Schiavo: What death by dehydration involves

Terri did not feel pain.

That's not what the eyewitnesses saw. They saw her gasping and panting and making pain faces.

Who were those supposed "eyewitnesses"? Give us some "credible" proof of your claim.

I posted a link already. I can't help it if you aren't paying attention.

 

[Lakhota]

Kenneth Goodman, director of bioethics at the University of Miami School of Medicine and a co-director of the Florida Bioethics Network said that the "removal of feeding tubes is a common practice." He said that there is no pain involved in dying of dehydration and/or starvation.: "Soon after nourishment is denied to the brain, it begins producing chemicals that act as a natural anesthetic. She is not going to feel a thing. The artificial pain medication that Schiavo will receive is to make sure that if there is [pain], it is adequately handled."

More: Euthanasia and Terri Schiavo: What death by dehydration involves

Terri did not feel pain.

That's not what the eyewitnesses saw. They saw her gasping and panting and making pain faces.

Who were those supposed "eyewitnesses"? Give us some "credible" proof of your claim.

I posted a link already. I can't help it if you aren't paying attention.

I can barely stomach to read your current posts - let alone your previous ones.

 

[WinterBorn]

Ms. Schiavo showed signs of feeling pain, showed signs of recognition when her parents came to see her, smiled and made sounds in an attempt to communicate, had facial expressions that were in response to stimuli. That is not a brain dead person. Severely retarded and will never be the same person that she once was? Yes. However, none of you can say that she didn't or couldn't derive some kind of pleasure from life.

There would have been NO harm done to let her parents care for her until she died naturally, as she was NOT in pain when she had her feeding tube connected.

So, I guess we should just start putting retarded people and old people who suffer from dementia to death now, according to the heartless liberals who care more about animals than people.

Yeah, that is what they claimed. And while a nerve reaction to pain might have happened, she did not recognize anyone. The entire portion of her brain that was her intellect has liquified.