Terri Schiavo's Husband: Jeb Bush 'Put Me Through Hell'

[JoeB131]

Yeah, playing the violin for a murderer is just crappy. But look at how they leaped to the defense of cop killer Tookie Williams before his execution. I'm against the death penalty, but I don't eagerly advocate for vicious killers who are getting their just desserts. Their motivation can only be understood by considering the spiritual paradigm. There is a god in this world who is the source of all that is evil and they blindly follow him and support others who do as well. In their world, abortion doctors are heroes while those who defend the right to life are villains. Cop killers are heroes while cops are villains. Their lust for all things evil can only be explained by the devil they serve.

1) There is no God. Deal with it.

2) Some people felt Williams should be spared the death penalty because in the 27 years he was awaiting execution, he did some very good work as an anti-gang activist. But I guess all that stuff you "Christians" preach about "Redemption" doesn't count, eh?

3) Those who defend the "Right to Life" are dupes. That's why abortion is still legal after 40 years. Because you are too stupid to know you are being played. This is a great example. All you Dupes got upset about Schiavo, Bush is your hero now, and even though his Dad and Brother were the to biggest fuckups to ever occupy 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, you will support him. Because hes' right with Jesus. Like I said. Dupes.

 

[JoeB131]

None of your excuses for this man's heartless behavior towards this woman's parents are valid. There is absolutely no reason why he could not divorce her and leave her to her parents' care. No reason at all, except that he didn't want her around anymore. Perhaps that helped to quell some of his guilt for cheating on his wife.

Other than she didn't want to live like that and as long as s he was alive, her family could hit him up for medical care.

 

[kaz]

Breathing and heart beating are autonomic functions, and she had no brain waves, you can't change that fact, you can just ignore it, which you keep trying to do.

People who are "flat liners" cannot breathe on their own because the brain controls those functions

A Bit of Basic Brain Science - rwor.org

In one important test, they searched for electrical brain waves in Terri Schiavo's brain, using an electroencephalogram (EEC). Brain cells communicate by small electrical pulses, and these can be detected by placing sensitive electrodes on the scalp over areas of the brain. In Terri Schiavo's case, EECs were performed by independent medical examiners assigned by state courts. And they showed that her brain waves were essentially flat— with an extremely low level of electrical activity from the brain stem, but otherwise showing no brain activity and no thoughts .

 

[JimH52]

RINO...RINO....RINO...???

Run one of those ultra-right loons up the flag pole and see who salutes! You think the McCain or Romney losses were bad, you will really find out with one of the Ultras at the top of the ticket.

Good Grief! Get a Flipping Grip!

 

[ChrisL]

How about this woman who just woke up hours before being disconnected?

Her name is Teri.

Mother, 56, wakes HOURS before her life support machine was due to be turned off

• Teri Roberts, 56, was struck down by streptococcal toxic shock syndrome
• She slipped into coma, her limbs turned black and her organs began to fail
• Family reached devastating decision to switch off her life support machine
• But just four hours before they had planned to do so, Mrs Roberts awoke
• 'She just magically woke up,' overjoyed son, Ryan, told a press conference
• After she woke up, Mrs Roberts was forced to have quadruple amputation
• Now, she is focused on future - and is determined to 'walk and drive again'

Teri Roberts awakens HOURS before support machine was to be turned off Daily Mail Online

She wasn't a flat liner like Terri. No flat liner has ever woken up. Just the term, "wakes up." When you sleep, the implication, you dream. People in a coma dream. Flat liners don't. To dream, you have to have brainwaves. You know what they measure when they analyze dreamers? Brainwaves...

You're ******* wrong. She was not a "flat liner." She could breath on her own, and her heart was still beating.

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In Terri Schiavo's case, EECs were performed by independent medical examiners assigned by state courts. And they showed that her brain waves were essentially flat— with an extremely low level of electrical activity from the brain stem, but otherwise showing no brain activity and no thoughts .

A Bit of Basic Brain Science - rwor.org
Breathing and heart beating are autonomic functions, and she had no brain waves, you can't change that fact, you can just ignore it, which you keep trying to do.

People who are "flat liners" cannot breathe on their own because the brain controls those functions.

Bull. She was not brain dead. Not by any means. Multiple people reported her "responses" to stimuli. A brain dead person can NOT respond. She still had brain function. Period. End of story. She was murdered by her husband out of greed and selfishness. Period. There is no valid argument you can make against that. She was not in pain, she was awake, and her parents wanted to continue to care for her. Your excuses are LAME.

 

[ChrisL]

None of your excuses for this man's heartless behavior towards this woman's parents are valid. There is absolutely no reason why he could not divorce her and leave her to her parents' care. No reason at all, except that he didn't want her around anymore. Perhaps that helped to quell some of his guilt for cheating on his wife.

Other than she didn't want to live like that and as long as s he was alive, her family could hit him up for medical care.

You have no idea what she wanted. I would trust her parents more than her cheating POS husband.

 

[ChrisL]

Yeah, playing the violin for a murderer is just crappy. But look at how they leaped to the defense of cop killer Tookie Williams before his execution. I'm against the death penalty, but I don't eagerly advocate for vicious killers who are getting their just desserts. Their motivation can only be understood by considering the spiritual paradigm. There is a god in this world who is the source of all that is evil and they blindly follow him and support others who do as well. In their world, abortion doctors are heroes while those who defend the right to life are villains. Cop killers are heroes while cops are villains. Their lust for all things evil can only be explained by the devil they serve.

1) There is no God. Deal with it.

2) Some people felt Williams should be spared the death penalty because in the 27 years he was awaiting execution, he did some very good work as an anti-gang activist. But I guess all that stuff you "Christians" preach about "Redemption" doesn't count, eh?

3) Those who defend the "Right to Life" are dupes. That's why abortion is still legal after 40 years. Because you are too stupid to know you are being played. This is a great example. All you Dupes got upset about Schiavo, Bush is your hero now, and even though his Dad and Brother were the to biggest fuckups to ever occupy 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, you will support him. Because hes' right with Jesus. Like I said. Dupes.

Shut up. You don't know shit. You're probably as much a POS as her husband.

 

[Faun]

Read the court documents... All of them. Not just the talking points the left wingers force feed you.

The problem with reading "all the documents" is that you go in with a confirmation bias if you are already a religious nut.

fact is, the woman was brain dead with no hope of recovery. The Autopsy after her death confirmed this.

But that's what happens when you ignore science and embrace superstition.

Wrong. You are trying to get us to feel sorry for an abuser. Not going to happen.. Why? We actually read the case and know the facts. Oh darn. Sucks don't it.

There's no evidence he abused her. You're a nut.

 

[BlueGin]

The only other people who conveniently came up with that testimony only did so years later after he rec'd a 1,5 million dollar settlement.....and it was Michael, his brother and his sister in law. All had motive to lie.

You keep saying that, however M.S. got $300,000 not 1.5 million. The settlement was 2 million, the lawyers got about half. $750,000 was setup to pay medical bills, and M.S. received the remaining $300,000. The schism with the parents started shortly after that after refusing to give the parents a cut.

Can't get a 1.5 million dollar settlement that way though.

The malpractice case was settled long before the 1998 request to allow Terri's body to not be maintained via artificial means.

The bodies continued existence at that point had nothing to do with a case that had already been settled.


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I know when the settlement was settled and
700,000 was put in a trust fund for Terri's medical care. He denied medical care and instead used that money to pay the legal fees he accrued trying to kill her.

The man wouldn't even let the nursing home treat a urinary tract infection.

Now you're flat out lying. The money went into trust for her medical expenses, which were enormous.

None of your excuses for this man's heartless behavior towards this woman's parents are valid. There is absolutely no reason why he could not divorce her and leave her to her parents' care. No reason at all, except that he didn't want her around anymore. Perhaps that helped to quell some of his guilt for cheating on his wife.

Not to mention being responsible for her condition to begin with as the Schindlers testified.

As did a neurologist that treated her in the ER after her "accident".

 

[kaz]

I disagree completely. He didn't care about her at all obviously. He wasn't even present when she passed on, genius.

You disagree that he was her husband? You lost me.

 

[ChrisL]

I disagree completely. He didn't care about her at all obviously. He wasn't even present when she passed on, genius.

You disagree that he was her husband? You lost me.

WTF are you talking about? I disagree that he would be making the best decisions for her. Her parents should have been the decision makers, not her POS cheating husband.

 

[Faun]

Exactly. They conveniently like to ignore the fact that mr abuser withheld therapy and medical treatment for years prior.

Because they wouldn't do any good. Her brain was essentially jelly. She had no higher brain functions or motor skills. All she had was the part of the brain that keeps the heart and lungs functioning.

Her brain atrophied due to lack of exercise . It got that way from years of abuse. The nursing home and Terri's parents fought for medical treatment and therapy for years. Michael withheld it.

I love how you never read any of the case files but love to pretend you how everything. You are a hoot.

This is the same nonsense Bush and others on the right hostile to privacy rights tried to propagate.

That you and other conservatives are willing to lie about this and other issues comes as no surprise; Schiavo was dead, that was established well before the family's tragedy was politicized and exploited by those on the right willing to use the authority of the state to compel conformity to their subjective, errant social agenda.

That's exactly right. The right resorted to lies then, just as they are now, to justify their position to keep her alive. While I understand their position, they had no right to make the decision for Michael Schiavo. And fortunately, the courts saw through their lies.

 

[kaz]

Begging the question. I already addressed this. Again, no long term tape showed any consistent reaction.

Where are you getting your info from? According to her friends and family, as well as some others (including nursing staff) Terry showed signs of recognition of her parents.

Wow, the raw opinion of people who wanted their way. That's a great legal argument.

Better than your argument, that's for sure, which is kill her.

I said government should "kill her?" Can you show me that quote?

BTW, you can't "kill" someone who's dead...

It's a strawman, I said what happens to her body after she died should have been up to her husband.

And where did I mention the government?

It was hard to follow your convoluted logic, I did my best. You said my argument is that someone should kill her. I didn't know who I was advocating should kill her, particularly since my argument wasn't that anyone should kill her. In fact, I said my personal opinion is he should have left her to her parents. But that doesn't change the fact she was dead in every way except she was breathing and her heart was beating.

I always find it odd how Christians who are supposed to be focused on the soul are so obsessed with an empty shell.

 

[JoeB131]

That's what you get for suspecting. I already said I didn't like Jeb Bush. But I don't like Hillary either. Guess you moon are better find someone more worthy for me to get behind.

Wow, that didn't make a lick of ******* sense.

No? Neither does anything you rant about... So we are even.

That's only because of your poor reading comprehension skills you gained in Home Skule. but you are right with Jesus.

 

[ChrisL]

Where are you getting your info from? According to her friends and family, as well as some others (including nursing staff) Terry showed signs of recognition of her parents.

Wow, the raw opinion of people who wanted their way. That's a great legal argument.

Better than your argument, that's for sure, which is kill her.

I said government should "kill her?" Can you show me that quote?

BTW, you can't "kill" someone who's dead...

It's a strawman, I said what happens to her body after she died should have been up to her husband.

And where did I mention the government?

It was hard to follow your convoluted logic, I did my best. You said my argument is that someone should kill her. I didn't know who I was advocating should kill her, particularly since my argument wasn't that anyone should kill her. In fact, I said my personal opinion is he should have left her to her parents. But that doesn't change the fact she was dead in every way except she was breathing and her heart was beating.

I always find it odd how Christians who are supposed to be focused on the soul are so obsessed with an empty shell.

Derp. Her HUSBAND. Sorry that you can't follow along.

 

[Muhammed]

No, that is a lie. She had ZERO higher brain function and was responsive to nothing. The videos that circulated "showing" she was were heavily edited to do so (and some were outright fakes).

Got any proof to back up that ridiculous assertion?

The autopsy report was crystal-clear: her brain had liquefied.

LOL

Sooo....your theory is that she died because her brain liquefied. What caused that to happen?

And don't snip my posts without noting you are excising a portion of it.

The portion of course, that shows what you stated is bullshit.


"In the early years of her condition, Michael and the Schindlers got along harmoniously, even living together in a house on the Gulf Coast for a while. They ensured that Terri received all variety of therapies, including physical, occupational and recreational. When those didn't work, Michael flew her out to California, where a doctor implanted platinum electrodes into her brain as part of an experimental procedure that ultimately failed.

Back in Florida, Michael enlisted family members to record audiotapes of their voices, which he played for Terri on a Walkman. He was fastidious about Terri's appearance, spraying her with Picasso perfume and outfitting her in stirrup pants and matching tops from The Limited. At one Florida nursing home, he was so demanding that administrators sought a restraining order against him. But Gloria Centonze, who worked there at the time (and by coincidence later married into the family of Michael's future girlfriend), recalls a frequent comment among the nurses: "He may be a bastard, but if I was sick like that, I wish he was my husband." To better care for Terri, Michael even enrolled in nursing school."

http://www.newsweek.com/legacy-terri-schiavo-115807

Could you say that in English?

Both of your comments there show you have a very hard time with reading comprehension.

Sad.

You're full of shit. I bet you're a scientology nutjob.

 

[ChrisL]

Where are you getting your info from? According to her friends and family, as well as some others (including nursing staff) Terry showed signs of recognition of her parents.

Wow, the raw opinion of people who wanted their way. That's a great legal argument.

Better than your argument, that's for sure, which is kill her.

I said government should "kill her?" Can you show me that quote?

BTW, you can't "kill" someone who's dead...

It's a strawman, I said what happens to her body after she died should have been up to her husband.

And where did I mention the government?

It was hard to follow your convoluted logic, I did my best. You said my argument is that someone should kill her. I didn't know who I was advocating should kill her, particularly since my argument wasn't that anyone should kill her. In fact, I said my personal opinion is he should have left her to her parents. But that doesn't change the fact she was dead in every way except she was breathing and her heart was beating.

I always find it odd how Christians who are supposed to be focused on the soul are so obsessed with an empty shell.

WTF? If you are BREATHING and your heart is BEATING, then you are not dead, are you?

 

[Faun]

Wrong. You are trying to get us to feel sorry for an abuser. Not going to happen.. Why? We actually read the case and know the facts. Oh darn. Sucks don't it.

I don't feel sorry for him. I would even go so far to say that what he SHOULD have done is sign over power of attorney to her family and gave them half the settlement.

Legally, however, he was in the right. Scientifically, he was in the right.

Wrong. You are trying to get us to feel sorry for an abuser. Not going to happen.. Why? We actually read the case and know the facts. Oh darn. Sucks don't it.

I don't feel sorry for him. I would even go so far to say that what he SHOULD have done is sign over power of attorney to her family and gave them half the settlement.

Legally, however, he was in the right. Scientifically, he was in the right.

He created her condition from start to finish. He was in the right about nothing.

He did not, stop lying. All evidence indicates she went into cardiac arrest due to a dangerously low potassium level.

 

[kaz]

How about this woman who just woke up hours before being disconnected?

Her name is Teri.

Mother, 56, wakes HOURS before her life support machine was due to be turned off

• Teri Roberts, 56, was struck down by streptococcal toxic shock syndrome
• She slipped into coma, her limbs turned black and her organs began to fail
• Family reached devastating decision to switch off her life support machine
• But just four hours before they had planned to do so, Mrs Roberts awoke
• 'She just magically woke up,' overjoyed son, Ryan, told a press conference
• After she woke up, Mrs Roberts was forced to have quadruple amputation
• Now, she is focused on future - and is determined to 'walk and drive again'

Teri Roberts awakens HOURS before support machine was to be turned off Daily Mail Online

She wasn't a flat liner like Terri. No flat liner has ever woken up. Just the term, "wakes up." When you sleep, the implication, you dream. People in a coma dream. Flat liners don't. To dream, you have to have brainwaves. You know what they measure when they analyze dreamers? Brainwaves...

You're ******* wrong. She was not a "flat liner." She could breath on her own, and her heart was still beating.

Brain Dead is Dead Serendip Studio

Breathing and heart beating are autonomic functions, and she had no brain waves, you can't change that fact, you can just ignore it, which you keep trying to do.

If she was still breathing without the help of a machine, then she was not "brain dead." She was severely retarded. Brain dead people are hooked up to machines because they're brains aren't making any connections with the rest of the body, such as the heart, lungs, etc.

If I am ever in her state then I hope you people are ignored and they give me a shot and end it. Especially if you are right that she had awareness. Though she obviously didn't.

 

[ChrisL]

How about this woman who just woke up hours before being disconnected?

Her name is Teri.

Mother, 56, wakes HOURS before her life support machine was due to be turned off

• Teri Roberts, 56, was struck down by streptococcal toxic shock syndrome
• She slipped into coma, her limbs turned black and her organs began to fail
• Family reached devastating decision to switch off her life support machine
• But just four hours before they had planned to do so, Mrs Roberts awoke
• 'She just magically woke up,' overjoyed son, Ryan, told a press conference
• After she woke up, Mrs Roberts was forced to have quadruple amputation
• Now, she is focused on future - and is determined to 'walk and drive again'

Teri Roberts awakens HOURS before support machine was to be turned off Daily Mail Online

She wasn't a flat liner like Terri. No flat liner has ever woken up. Just the term, "wakes up." When you sleep, the implication, you dream. People in a coma dream. Flat liners don't. To dream, you have to have brainwaves. You know what they measure when they analyze dreamers? Brainwaves...

You're ******* wrong. She was not a "flat liner." She could breath on her own, and her heart was still beating.

Brain Dead is Dead Serendip Studio

Breathing and heart beating are autonomic functions, and she had no brain waves, you can't change that fact, you can just ignore it, which you keep trying to do.

If she was still breathing without the help of a machine, then she was not "brain dead." She was severely retarded. Brain dead people are hooked up to machines because they're brains aren't making any connections with the rest of the body, such as the heart, lungs, etc.

If I am ever in her state then I hope you people are ignored and they give me a shot and end it. Especially if you are right that she had awareness. Though she obviously didn't.

What difference does it make if you don't know what's going on anyway? As long as you aren't in pain, would you deny your parents the chance to spend your last days with you?