Ted Cruz - Natural Born Citizen? Revival thread

[JakeStarkey]

Cruz will begin stumbling now. Trump will beat him in SC. Can Trump beat Rubio in SC?

 

[Syriusly]

Ok, so I know this has been covered a number of times already, however I haven't seen the following link posted which to me seems to spell it out..

Are you the foreign-born child of a parent who becomes a U.S. citizen?

This is how the US government defines citizens from birth vs citizens based on application after birth. To me, this is essentially "natural born citizen" vs "allowed citizen via application after birth". This is specific to americans born outside of the US which applies in Cruz's case, as opposed to obvious natural born citizens born within the United States.

From this page, if his parents were _not_ married he's good to go, but if his parents _were_ married when he was born then he probably wouldn't qualify..

Thoughts?

Cruz was born a citizen

ilink | USCIS

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

 

[Timmy]

Cruz's FATHER is Cuban, his mother is American. So this would apply:

"In general, a Child Born Outside the U.S. is a Citizen at Birth when the Child’s Parents Are NOT Married to each other at the Time of Birth...IF
The genetic or non-genetic gestational legal mother is a U.S. citizen at the time of birth, and the birth date is after December 23, 1952."

So if his parents were not married, he'd be a legal US citizen at birth.

But the prez clause says "natural born citizen" . "Natural". Is the tricky part .

Wasn't the idea that some Brit born sympathizer couldn't become prez of the original states ?

 

[drumsofgrohl]

Ok, so I know this has been covered a number of times already, however I haven't seen the following link posted which to me seems to spell it out..

Are you the foreign-born child of a parent who becomes a U.S. citizen?

This is how the US government defines citizens from birth vs citizens based on application after birth. To me, this is essentially "natural born citizen" vs "allowed citizen via application after birth". This is specific to americans born outside of the US which applies in Cruz's case, as opposed to obvious natural born citizens born within the United States.

From this page, if his parents were _not_ married he's good to go, but if his parents _were_ married when he was born then he probably wouldn't qualify..

Thoughts?

Cruz was born a citizen

ilink | USCIS

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

This seems to settle that.

 

[Auld Phart]

Cruz's FATHER is Cuban, his mother is American. So this would apply:

"In general, a Child Born Outside the U.S. is a Citizen at Birth when the Child’s Parents Are NOT Married to each other at the Time of Birth...IF
The genetic or non-genetic gestational legal mother is a U.S. citizen at the time of birth, and the birth date is after December 23, 1952."

So if his parents were not married, he'd be a legal US citizen at birth.

But the prez clause says "natural born citizen" . "Natural". Is the tricky part .

Wasn't the idea that some Brit born sympathizer couldn't become prez of the original states ?

YOU do realize that 8 of the first 9 presidents were British subjects, don't you?

Van Buren was the first president born a US citizen, and his successor was born a British subject.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

OH boy....this again.

I was born in Burtonwood (Lancashire) England to American parents serving abroad. Am I an American?

If both your parents are American and you're born outside of America, and they were married at the time, you're still American.

"In a general, a Child Born Outside the U.S. is a Citizen at Birth when the Child’s Parents Are Married to each other at the Time of Birth IF...
Both parents are U.S. citizens at the time of birth, AND At least one parent lived in the U.S. or its territories prior to the birth."

It gets more confusing if your parents were not married. And would depend on the year in which you were born.

There are different laws for service men and women too I believe.

Exactly. The laws for being abroad are different as well. Cruz is American. However, I get it. The right disparaged Obama for years. I suppose a tit-for-tat is in order.

RandallFlagg

Link to where Dems said Cruz isn't a citizen.

To my knowledge, the only one saying that is Drumpf.

 

[Timmy]

Cruz's FATHER is Cuban, his mother is American. So this would apply:

"In general, a Child Born Outside the U.S. is a Citizen at Birth when the Child’s Parents Are NOT Married to each other at the Time of Birth...IF
The genetic or non-genetic gestational legal mother is a U.S. citizen at the time of birth, and the birth date is after December 23, 1952."

So if his parents were not married, he'd be a legal US citizen at birth.

But the prez clause says "natural born citizen" . "Natural". Is the tricky part .

Wasn't the idea that some Brit born sympathizer couldn't become prez of the original states ?

YOU do realize that 8 of the first 9 presidents were British subjects, don't you?

Van Buren was the first president born a US citizen, and his successor was born a British subject.

Yes, but they wanted people physically born on U.S./ colony soil . The country was new, they couldn't wait 35 years for the first us born kid to be old enough to be prez . Lol.

 

[Auld Phart]

Cruz's FATHER is Cuban, his mother is American. So this would apply:

"In general, a Child Born Outside the U.S. is a Citizen at Birth when the Child’s Parents Are NOT Married to each other at the Time of Birth...IF
The genetic or non-genetic gestational legal mother is a U.S. citizen at the time of birth, and the birth date is after December 23, 1952."

So if his parents were not married, he'd be a legal US citizen at birth.

But the prez clause says "natural born citizen" . "Natural". Is the tricky part .

Wasn't the idea that some Brit born sympathizer couldn't become prez of the original states ?

YOU do realize that 8 of the first 9 presidents were British subjects, don't you?

Van Buren was the first president born a US citizen, and his successor was born a British subject.

Yes, but they wanted people physically born on U.S./ colony soil . The country was new, they couldn't wait 35 years for the first us born kid to be old enough to be prez . Lol.

Doesnt' change the facts

 

[cereal_killer]

OH boy....this again.

I was born in Burtonwood (Lancashire) England to American parents serving abroad. Am I an American?

If both your parents are American and you're born outside of America, and they were married at the time, you're still American.

"In a general, a Child Born Outside the U.S. is a Citizen at Birth when the Child’s Parents Are Married to each other at the Time of Birth IF...
Both parents are U.S. citizens at the time of birth, AND At least one parent lived in the U.S. or its territories prior to the birth."

It gets more confusing if your parents were not married. And would depend on the year in which you were born.

There are different laws for service men and women too I believe.

Exactly. The laws for being abroad are different as well. Cruz is American. However, I get it. The right disparaged Obama for years. I suppose a tit-for-tat is in order.

RandallFlagg

Link to where Dems said Cruz isn't a citizen.

To my knowledge, the only one saying that is Drumpf.

Alan Grayson already said he would sue election officials if they certified Cruz's eligibility

 

[Timmy]

Cruz's FATHER is Cuban, his mother is American. So this would apply:

"In general, a Child Born Outside the U.S. is a Citizen at Birth when the Child’s Parents Are NOT Married to each other at the Time of Birth...IF
The genetic or non-genetic gestational legal mother is a U.S. citizen at the time of birth, and the birth date is after December 23, 1952."

So if his parents were not married, he'd be a legal US citizen at birth.

But the prez clause says "natural born citizen" . "Natural". Is the tricky part .

Wasn't the idea that some Brit born sympathizer couldn't become prez of the original states ?

YOU do realize that 8 of the first 9 presidents were British subjects, don't you?

Van Buren was the first president born a US citizen, and his successor was born a British subject.

Yes, but they wanted people physically born on U.S./ colony soil . The country was new, they couldn't wait 35 years for the first us born kid to be old enough to be prez . Lol.

Doesnt' change the facts

Who was born a Brit subject ?

 

[Siete]

LMAO


gotta love it.

 

[cereal_killer]

Cruz will begin stumbling now. Trump will beat him in SC. Can Trump beat Rubio in SC?

Fox News and the establishment will do their best to try and make sure Rubio takes SC. I can already hear the Fox News and establishment machine spinning up

 

[Ravi]

Ok, so I know this has been covered a number of times already, however I haven't seen the following link posted which to me seems to spell it out..

Are you the foreign-born child of a parent who becomes a U.S. citizen?

This is how the US government defines citizens from birth vs citizens based on application after birth. To me, this is essentially "natural born citizen" vs "allowed citizen via application after birth". This is specific to americans born outside of the US which applies in Cruz's case, as opposed to obvious natural born citizens born within the United States.

From this page, if his parents were _not_ married he's good to go, but if his parents _were_ married when he was born then he probably wouldn't qualify..

Thoughts?

Cruz was born a citizen

ilink | USCIS

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

Canada isn't an outlying possession of the US.

 

[Auld Phart]

Cruz's FATHER is Cuban, his mother is American. So this would apply:

"In general, a Child Born Outside the U.S. is a Citizen at Birth when the Child’s Parents Are NOT Married to each other at the Time of Birth...IF
The genetic or non-genetic gestational legal mother is a U.S. citizen at the time of birth, and the birth date is after December 23, 1952."

So if his parents were not married, he'd be a legal US citizen at birth.

But the prez clause says "natural born citizen" . "Natural". Is the tricky part .

Wasn't the idea that some Brit born sympathizer couldn't become prez of the original states ?

YOU do realize that 8 of the first 9 presidents were British subjects, don't you?

Van Buren was the first president born a US citizen, and his successor was born a British subject.

Yes, but they wanted people physically born on U.S./ colony soil . The country was new, they couldn't wait 35 years for the first us born kid to be old enough to be prez . Lol.

Doesnt' change the facts

Who was born a Brit subject ?

Eight US Presidents Were Born British

 

[RandallFlagg]

But the prez clause says "natural born citizen" . "Natural". Is the tricky part .

Wasn't the idea that some Brit born sympathizer couldn't become prez of the original states ?

YOU do realize that 8 of the first 9 presidents were British subjects, don't you?

Van Buren was the first president born a US citizen, and his successor was born a British subject.

Yes, but they wanted people physically born on U.S./ colony soil . The country was new, they couldn't wait 35 years for the first us born kid to be old enough to be prez . Lol.

Doesnt' change the facts

Who was born a Brit subject ?

Eight US Presidents Were Born British

The mere idea that some people actually believe that the founders were born on American soil is telling. Until the revolution, ALL soil in this country was British

 

[Auld Phart]

Ok, so I know this has been covered a number of times already, however I haven't seen the following link posted which to me seems to spell it out..

Are you the foreign-born child of a parent who becomes a U.S. citizen?

This is how the US government defines citizens from birth vs citizens based on application after birth. To me, this is essentially "natural born citizen" vs "allowed citizen via application after birth". This is specific to americans born outside of the US which applies in Cruz's case, as opposed to obvious natural born citizens born within the United States.

From this page, if his parents were _not_ married he's good to go, but if his parents _were_ married when he was born then he probably wouldn't qualify..

Thoughts?

Cruz was born a citizen

ilink | USCIS

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

Canada isn't an outlying possession of the US.

What does that have to do with anything?

HIs mother was American born, he's American

 

[Ravi]

Ok, so I know this has been covered a number of times already, however I haven't seen the following link posted which to me seems to spell it out..

Are you the foreign-born child of a parent who becomes a U.S. citizen?

This is how the US government defines citizens from birth vs citizens based on application after birth. To me, this is essentially "natural born citizen" vs "allowed citizen via application after birth". This is specific to americans born outside of the US which applies in Cruz's case, as opposed to obvious natural born citizens born within the United States.

From this page, if his parents were _not_ married he's good to go, but if his parents _were_ married when he was born then he probably wouldn't qualify..

Thoughts?

Cruz was born a citizen

ilink | USCIS

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

Canada isn't an outlying possession of the US.

What does that have to do with anything?

HIs mother was American born, he's American

The particular law cited says "a person born in an outlying possession of the United States," did you miss that?

 

[Timmy]

But the prez clause says "natural born citizen" . "Natural". Is the tricky part .

Wasn't the idea that some Brit born sympathizer couldn't become prez of the original states ?

YOU do realize that 8 of the first 9 presidents were British subjects, don't you?

Van Buren was the first president born a US citizen, and his successor was born a British subject.

Yes, but they wanted people physically born on U.S./ colony soil . The country was new, they couldn't wait 35 years for the first us born kid to be old enough to be prez . Lol.

Doesnt' change the facts

Who was born a Brit subject ?

Eight US Presidents Were Born British

Yes . But they were are born on US SOIL or what became US soil after the revolution .

Cruz was not born on US soil.

Don't confuse the citizen law with the president law .

 

[RandallFlagg]

YOU do realize that 8 of the first 9 presidents were British subjects, don't you?

Van Buren was the first president born a US citizen, and his successor was born a British subject.

Yes, but they wanted people physically born on U.S./ colony soil . The country was new, they couldn't wait 35 years for the first us born kid to be old enough to be prez . Lol.

Doesnt' change the facts

Who was born a Brit subject ?

Eight US Presidents Were Born British

Yes . But they were are born on US SOIL or what became US soil after the revolution .

Cruz was not born on US soil.

Again, nor was I. Your point?

 

[Auld Phart]

Ok, so I know this has been covered a number of times already, however I haven't seen the following link posted which to me seems to spell it out..

Are you the foreign-born child of a parent who becomes a U.S. citizen?

This is how the US government defines citizens from birth vs citizens based on application after birth. To me, this is essentially "natural born citizen" vs "allowed citizen via application after birth". This is specific to americans born outside of the US which applies in Cruz's case, as opposed to obvious natural born citizens born within the United States.

From this page, if his parents were _not_ married he's good to go, but if his parents _were_ married when he was born then he probably wouldn't qualify..

Thoughts?

Cruz was born a citizen

ilink | USCIS

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

Canada isn't an outlying possession of the US.

What does that have to do with anything?

HIs mother was American born, he's American

The particular law cited says "a person born in an outlying possession of the United States," did you miss that?

NO.

but, what was the law prior to that?

Cruz is as much a citizen as you, and anyone else on this board.

(BTW, I hope Cruz, and Trump, lose)