Swiss Billionaire Quietly Becomes Influential Force Among Democrats

[gipper]

The dirty Democrats in action. This needs investigation, not the bullshit over Giuliani and FARA.

Hansjörg Wyss, who recently dropped his bid to buy Tribune Publishing, has been a leading source of difficult-to-trace money to groups associated with Democrats.​

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He is not as well known as wealthy liberal patrons like George Soros or Tom Steyer. His political activism is channeled through a daisy chain of opaque organizations that mask the ultimate recipients of his money. But the Swiss billionaire Hansjörg Wyss has quietly become one of the most important donors to left-leaning advocacy groups and an increasingly influential force among Democrats.​

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Newly obtained tax filings show that two of Mr. Wyss’s organizations, a foundation and a nonprofit fund, donated $208 million from 2016 through early last year to three other nonprofit funds that doled out money to a wide array of groups that backed progressive causes and helped Democrats in their efforts to win the White House and control of Congress last year.​

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Mr. Wyss’s representatives say his organizations’ money is not being spent on political campaigning. But documents and interviews show that the entities have come to play a prominent role in financing the political infrastructure that supports Democrats and their issues.​

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While most of his operation’s recent politically oriented giving was channeled through the three nonprofit funds, Mr. Wyss’s organizations also directly donated tens of millions of dollars since 2016 to groups that opposed former President Donald J. Trump and promoted Democrats and their causes.​

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Beneficiaries of his organizations’ direct giving included prominent groups such as the Center for American Progress and Priorities USA, as well as organizations that ran voter registration and mobilization campaigns to increase Democratic turnout, built media outlets accused of slanting the news to favor Democrats and sought to block Mr. Trump’s nominees, prove he colluded with Russia and push for his impeachment.​

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Several officials from organizations started by Mr. Wyss and his team worked on the Biden transition or joined the administration, and on environmental policy in particular Mr. Wyss’s agenda appears to align with President Biden’s.​

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Mr. Wyss’s growing political influence attracted attention after he emerged last month as a leading bidder for the Tribune Publishing newspaper chain. Mr. Wyss later dropped out of the bidding for the papers.​

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Born in Switzerland and living in Wyoming, he has not disclosed publicly whether he holds citizenship or permanent residency in the United States. Foreign nationals without permanent residency are barred from donating directly to federal political candidates or political action committees, but not from giving to groups that seek to influence public policy — a legal distinction often lost on voters targeted by such groups.​

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Mr. Wyss’s role as a donor is coming to light even as congressional Democrats, with support from Mr. Biden, are pushing legislation intended to rein in so-called dark money spending that could restrict some of the groups financed by Mr. Wyss’s organizations.​

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Swiss Billionaire Quietly Becomes Influential Force Among Democrats (Published 2021)

Hansjörg Wyss, who recently dropped his bid to buy Tribune Publishing, has been a leading source of difficult-to-trace money to groups associated with Democrats.

www.nytimes.com

Just about all the billionaires control or influence the D party, just as they do the R party.

US politics is corrupt because it's not about the people.

It’s corrupt because the ultra wealthy control to politicians.

Yes, and that happens because of the FPTP way of voting.

It’s the money. Money controls everything in the USA.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Foreign influence is huge in the DNC....China, Iran, 1 percenters from around the world

And this after the Reps said it was nonsense about Russian interference for 4 years.

huh? I don't recall anyone saying the Russian didn't interfere....

What people said, at least people not falling for the Dems propaganda and parody, was that the Russian-Trump conspiracy narrative was a hoax. It was, as the numerous investigations have revealed.

You can stop deflecting though

Well, I'm not sure if I've heard anyone saying China isn't interfering either.

China IS interfering.

The reality is US freedom and "democracy" (whatever little democracy there actually is) is massively under threat, and the one thing people aren't talking about is how to stop this from happening. Everyone's too interested in slapping each other around the face with a wet fish. A dem fish and a rep fish.

And I thought you liked deflections.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The dirty Democrats in action. This needs investigation, not the bullshit over Giuliani and FARA.

Hansjörg Wyss, who recently dropped his bid to buy Tribune Publishing, has been a leading source of difficult-to-trace money to groups associated with Democrats.​

​

He is not as well known as wealthy liberal patrons like George Soros or Tom Steyer. His political activism is channeled through a daisy chain of opaque organizations that mask the ultimate recipients of his money. But the Swiss billionaire Hansjörg Wyss has quietly become one of the most important donors to left-leaning advocacy groups and an increasingly influential force among Democrats.​

​

Newly obtained tax filings show that two of Mr. Wyss’s organizations, a foundation and a nonprofit fund, donated $208 million from 2016 through early last year to three other nonprofit funds that doled out money to a wide array of groups that backed progressive causes and helped Democrats in their efforts to win the White House and control of Congress last year.​

​

Mr. Wyss’s representatives say his organizations’ money is not being spent on political campaigning. But documents and interviews show that the entities have come to play a prominent role in financing the political infrastructure that supports Democrats and their issues.​

​

While most of his operation’s recent politically oriented giving was channeled through the three nonprofit funds, Mr. Wyss’s organizations also directly donated tens of millions of dollars since 2016 to groups that opposed former President Donald J. Trump and promoted Democrats and their causes.​

​

Beneficiaries of his organizations’ direct giving included prominent groups such as the Center for American Progress and Priorities USA, as well as organizations that ran voter registration and mobilization campaigns to increase Democratic turnout, built media outlets accused of slanting the news to favor Democrats and sought to block Mr. Trump’s nominees, prove he colluded with Russia and push for his impeachment.​

​

Several officials from organizations started by Mr. Wyss and his team worked on the Biden transition or joined the administration, and on environmental policy in particular Mr. Wyss’s agenda appears to align with President Biden’s.​

​

Mr. Wyss’s growing political influence attracted attention after he emerged last month as a leading bidder for the Tribune Publishing newspaper chain. Mr. Wyss later dropped out of the bidding for the papers.​

​

Born in Switzerland and living in Wyoming, he has not disclosed publicly whether he holds citizenship or permanent residency in the United States. Foreign nationals without permanent residency are barred from donating directly to federal political candidates or political action committees, but not from giving to groups that seek to influence public policy — a legal distinction often lost on voters targeted by such groups.​

​

Mr. Wyss’s role as a donor is coming to light even as congressional Democrats, with support from Mr. Biden, are pushing legislation intended to rein in so-called dark money spending that could restrict some of the groups financed by Mr. Wyss’s organizations.​

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Swiss Billionaire Quietly Becomes Influential Force Among Democrats (Published 2021)

Hansjörg Wyss, who recently dropped his bid to buy Tribune Publishing, has been a leading source of difficult-to-trace money to groups associated with Democrats.

www.nytimes.com

Just about all the billionaires control or influence the D party, just as they do the R party.

US politics is corrupt because it's not about the people.

It’s corrupt because the ultra wealthy control to politicians.

Yes, and that happens because of the FPTP way of voting.

It’s the money. Money controls everything in the USA.

Yes, ironically it controls people so much that they don't want Proportional Representation because, even with all this knowledge at their fingertips, they've been told it's bad, so it must be bad.

 

[struth]

Foreign influence is huge in the DNC....China, Iran, 1 percenters from around the world

And this after the Reps said it was nonsense about Russian interference for 4 years.

huh? I don't recall anyone saying the Russian didn't interfere....

What people said, at least people not falling for the Dems propaganda and parody, was that the Russian-Trump conspiracy narrative was a hoax. It was, as the numerous investigations have revealed.

You can stop deflecting though

Well, I'm not sure if I've heard anyone saying China isn't interfering either.

China IS interfering.

The reality is US freedom and "democracy" (whatever little democracy there actually is) is massively under threat, and the one thing people aren't talking about is how to stop this from happening. Everyone's too interested in slapping each ot her around the face with a wet fish. A dem fish and a rep fish.

And I thought you liked deflections.

cyber security and election security are two big ways to do with it. One party seems to oppose any sort of talk or move towards election security though

 

[frigidweirdo]

Foreign influence is huge in the DNC....China, Iran, 1 percenters from around the world

And this after the Reps said it was nonsense about Russian interference for 4 years.

huh? I don't recall anyone saying the Russian didn't interfere....

What people said, at least people not falling for the Dems propaganda and parody, was that the Russian-Trump conspiracy narrative was a hoax. It was, as the numerous investigations have revealed.

You can stop deflecting though

Well, I'm not sure if I've heard anyone saying China isn't interfering either.

China IS interfering.

The reality is US freedom and "democracy" (whatever little democracy there actually is) is massively under threat, and the one thing people aren't talking about is how to stop this from happening. Everyone's too interested in slapping each ot her around the face with a wet fish. A dem fish and a rep fish.

And I thought you liked deflections.

cyber security and election security are two big ways to do with it. One party seems to oppose any sort of talk or move towards election security though

Because "election security" isn't the issue. It's just something the Republicans have invented to keep stupid people from the important issues.

 

[struth]

Foreign influence is huge in the DNC....China, Iran, 1 percenters from around the world

And this after the Reps said it was nonsense about Russian interference for 4 years.

huh? I don't recall anyone saying the Russian didn't interfere....

What people said, at least people not falling for the Dems propaganda and parody, was that the Russian-Trump conspiracy narrative was a hoax. It was, as the numerous investigations have revealed.

You can stop deflecting though

Well, I'm not sure if I've heard anyone saying China isn't interfering either.

China IS interfering.

The reality is US freedom and "democracy" (whatever little democracy there actually is) is massively under threat, and the one thing people aren't talking about is how to stop this from happening. Everyone's too interested in slapping each ot her around the face with a wet fish. A dem fish and a rep fish.

And I thought you liked deflections.

cyber security and election security are two big ways to do with it. One party seems to oppose any sort of talk or move towards election security though

Because "election security" isn't the issue. It's just something the Republicans have invented to keep stupid people from the important issues.

elections are really a huge part of that democracy you said was under great threat....why don't you want to talk about it?

 

[odanny]

But is he Jewish? That's the question that needs answered.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Foreign influence is huge in the DNC....China, Iran, 1 percenters from around the world

And this after the Reps said it was nonsense about Russian interference for 4 years.

huh? I don't recall anyone saying the Russian didn't interfere....

What people said, at least people not falling for the Dems propaganda and parody, was that the Russian-Trump conspiracy narrative was a hoax. It was, as the numerous investigations have revealed.

You can stop deflecting though

Well, I'm not sure if I've heard anyone saying China isn't interfering either.

China IS interfering.

The reality is US freedom and "democracy" (whatever little democracy there actually is) is massively under threat, and the one thing people aren't talking about is how to stop this from happening. Everyone's too interested in slapping each ot her around the face with a wet fish. A dem fish and a rep fish.

And I thought you liked deflections.

cyber security and election security are two big ways to do with it. One party seems to oppose any sort of talk or move towards election security though

Because "election security" isn't the issue. It's just something the Republicans have invented to keep stupid people from the important issues.

elections are really a huge part of that democracy you said was under great threat....why don't you want to talk about it?

Have you seen the US elections lately? Only two parties will have any chance at winning seats in the House, Senate and winning the Presidency.

Like a tinpot dictatorship.

So much gerrymandering in House elections. Senate elections are inherently unfair as they give some people more power for their vote than others. And the presidential election is a joke with some states having loads of power and others none at all.

In Germany they vote FPTP and PR at the same time. With FPTP the CDU/CSU gained 36% of the vote and 77% of the seats. You think that's FAIR?

 

[struth]

Foreign influence is huge in the DNC....China, Iran, 1 percenters from around the world

And this after the Reps said it was nonsense about Russian interference for 4 years.

huh? I don't recall anyone saying the Russian didn't interfere....

What people said, at least people not falling for the Dems propaganda and parody, was that the Russian-Trump conspiracy narrative was a hoax. It was, as the numerous investigations have revealed.

You can stop deflecting though

Well, I'm not sure if I've heard anyone saying China isn't interfering either.

China IS interfering.

The reality is US freedom and "democracy" (whatever little democracy there actually is) is massively under threat, and the one thing people aren't talking about is how to stop this from happening. Everyone's too interested in slapping each ot her around the face with a wet fish. A dem fish and a rep fish.

And I thought you liked deflections.

cyber security and election security are two big ways to do with it. One party seems to oppose any sort of talk or move towards election security though

Because "election security" isn't the issue. It's just something the Republicans have invented to keep stupid people from the important issues.

elections are really a huge part of that democracy you said was under great threat....why don't you want to talk about it?

Have you seen the US elections lately? Only two parties will have any chance at winning seats in the House, Senate and winning the Presidency.

Like a tinpot dictatorship.

So much gerrymandering in House elections. Senate elections are inherently unfair as they give some people more power for their vote than others. And the presidential election is a joke with some states having loads of power and others none at all.

In Germany they vote FPTP and PR at the same time. With FPTP the CDU/CSU gained 36% of the vote and 77% of the seats. You think that's FAIR?

we’ve had a two party system since john adams nothing new. It’s actually a good thing in that in forces, or at least used to forced left learners and right leaners to compromise

gerrymandering has been around since we’ll forever too. it doesn’t impact democracy and in fact is done by the state legislature that has been elected

how does the senate do that? every voter has one vote for their senator

i don’t know if any state that has no power in. a presidential election...some states have more but that’s because more people live there

i don’t think you know what. democratic republic is

 

[frigidweirdo]

Foreign influence is huge in the DNC....China, Iran, 1 percenters from around the world

And this after the Reps said it was nonsense about Russian interference for 4 years.

huh? I don't recall anyone saying the Russian didn't interfere....

What people said, at least people not falling for the Dems propaganda and parody, was that the Russian-Trump conspiracy narrative was a hoax. It was, as the numerous investigations have revealed.

You can stop deflecting though

Well, I'm not sure if I've heard anyone saying China isn't interfering either.

China IS interfering.

The reality is US freedom and "democracy" (whatever little democracy there actually is) is massively under threat, and the one thing people aren't talking about is how to stop this from happening. Everyone's too interested in slapping each ot her around the face with a wet fish. A dem fish and a rep fish.

And I thought you liked deflections.

cyber security and election security are two big ways to do with it. One party seems to oppose any sort of talk or move towards election security though

Because "election security" isn't the issue. It's just something the Republicans have invented to keep stupid people from the important issues.

elections are really a huge part of that democracy you said was under great threat....why don't you want to talk about it?

Have you seen the US elections lately? Only two parties will have any chance at winning seats in the House, Senate and winning the Presidency.

Like a tinpot dictatorship.

So much gerrymandering in House elections. Senate elections are inherently unfair as they give some people more power for their vote than others. And the presidential election is a joke with some states having loads of power and others none at all.

In Germany they vote FPTP and PR at the same time. With FPTP the CDU/CSU gained 36% of the vote and 77% of the seats. You think that's FAIR?

we’ve had a two party system since john adams nothing new. It’s actually a good thing in that in forces, or at least used to forced left learners and right leaners to compromise

gerrymandering has been around since we’ll forever too. it doesn’t impact democracy and in fact is done by the state legislature that has been elected

how does the senate do that? every voter has one vote for their senator

i don’t know if any state that has no power in. a presidential election...some states have more but that’s because more people live there

i don’t think you know what. democratic republic is

But they don't compromise. They compromise in GERMANY.

Yes, gerrymandering doesn't destroy democracy. It annihilates democracy. You tell everyone they have it, but the reality is they don't and everyone's so freaking ignorant of the fact.

 

[struth]

Foreign influence is huge in the DNC....China, Iran, 1 percenters from around the world

And this after the Reps said it was nonsense about Russian interference for 4 years.

huh? I don't recall anyone saying the Russian didn't interfere....

What people said, at least people not falling for the Dems propaganda and parody, was that the Russian-Trump conspiracy narrative was a hoax. It was, as the numerous investigations have revealed.

You can stop deflecting though

Well, I'm not sure if I've heard anyone saying China isn't interfering either.

China IS interfering.

The reality is US freedom and "democracy" (whatever little democracy there actually is) is massively under threat, and the one thing people aren't talking about is how to stop this from happening. Everyone's too interested in slapping each ot her around the face with a wet fish. A dem fish and a rep fish.

And I thought you liked deflections.

cyber security and election security are two big ways to do with it. One party seems to oppose any sort of talk or move towards election security though

Because "election security" isn't the issue. It's just something the Republicans have invented to keep stupid people from the important issues.

elections are really a huge part of that democracy you said was under great threat....why don't you want to talk about it?

Have you seen the US elections lately? Only two parties will have any chance at winning seats in the House, Senate and winning the Presidency.

Like a tinpot dictatorship.

So much gerrymandering in House elections. Senate elections are inherently unfair as they give some people more power for their vote than others. And the presidential election is a joke with some states having loads of power and others none at all.

In Germany they vote FPTP and PR at the same time. With FPTP the CDU/CSU gained 36% of the vote and 77% of the seats. You think that's FAIR?

we’ve had a two party system since john adams nothing new. It’s actually a good thing in that in forces, or at least used to forced left learners and right leaners to compromise

gerrymandering has been around since we’ll forever too. it doesn’t impact democracy and in fact is done by the state legislature that has been elected

how does the senate do that? every voter has one vote for their senator

i don’t know if any state that has no power in. a presidential election...some states have more but that’s because more people live there

i don’t think you know what. democratic republic is

But they don't compromise. They compromise in GERMANY.

Yes, gerrymandering doesn't destroy democracy. It annihilates democracy. You tell everyone they have it, but the reality is they don't and everyone's so freaking ignorant of the fact.

sure they do...one one nominee from each party

i am not sure how that’s the case with gerrymandering. folks can vote out the people that draw the map or vote them in.

i certainly think gerrymandering can be so absurd that it does violate someones right and they can challenge that in court

 

[justinacolmena]

folks can vote out the people that draw the map or vote them in.

Not when the elections are always stolen by democrats.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Foreign influence is huge in the DNC....China, Iran, 1 percenters from around the world

And this after the Reps said it was nonsense about Russian interference for 4 years.

huh? I don't recall anyone saying the Russian didn't interfere....

What people said, at least people not falling for the Dems propaganda and parody, was that the Russian-Trump conspiracy narrative was a hoax. It was, as the numerous investigations have revealed.

You can stop deflecting though

Well, I'm not sure if I've heard anyone saying China isn't interfering either.

China IS interfering.

The reality is US freedom and "democracy" (whatever little democracy there actually is) is massively under threat, and the one thing people aren't talking about is how to stop this from happening. Everyone's too interested in slapping each ot her around the face with a wet fish. A dem fish and a rep fish.

And I thought you liked deflections.

cyber security and election security are two big ways to do with it. One party seems to oppose any sort of talk or move towards election security though

Because "election security" isn't the issue. It's just something the Republicans have invented to keep stupid people from the important issues.

elections are really a huge part of that democracy you said was under great threat....why don't you want to talk about it?

Have you seen the US elections lately? Only two parties will have any chance at winning seats in the House, Senate and winning the Presidency.

Like a tinpot dictatorship.

So much gerrymandering in House elections. Senate elections are inherently unfair as they give some people more power for their vote than others. And the presidential election is a joke with some states having loads of power and others none at all.

In Germany they vote FPTP and PR at the same time. With FPTP the CDU/CSU gained 36% of the vote and 77% of the seats. You think that's FAIR?

we’ve had a two party system since john adams nothing new. It’s actually a good thing in that in forces, or at least used to forced left learners and right leaners to compromise

gerrymandering has been around since we’ll forever too. it doesn’t impact democracy and in fact is done by the state legislature that has been elected

how does the senate do that? every voter has one vote for their senator

i don’t know if any state that has no power in. a presidential election...some states have more but that’s because more people live there

i don’t think you know what. democratic republic is

But they don't compromise. They compromise in GERMANY.

Yes, gerrymandering doesn't destroy democracy. It annihilates democracy. You tell everyone they have it, but the reality is they don't and everyone's so freaking ignorant of the fact.

sure they do...one one nominee from each party

i am not sure how that’s the case with gerrymandering. folks can vote out the people that draw the map or vote them in.

i certainly think gerrymandering can be so absurd that it does violate someones right and they can challenge that in court

Wow, it's Democracy, but you can only choose between one candidate from two parties.

In Hong Kong they had "democracy". You could vote for THREE Xi choices for leader of Hong Kong. Someone wrote "they wanted democracy, they got democracy".

I thought, that's ridiculous. Then I looked at US elections.


And you can't always vote out the people who draw the maps, if they draw them well enough.

 

[frigidweirdo]

folks can vote out the people that draw the map or vote them in.

Not when the elections are always stolen by democrats.

North Carolina is the worst. It's Republican. Most high level gerrymandering is Republican, though the Democrats do it too.

Both sides are ridiculous. That you support one of these sides says a lot.

 

[struth]

Foreign influence is huge in the DNC....China, Iran, 1 percenters from around the world

And this after the Reps said it was nonsense about Russian interference for 4 years.

huh? I don't recall anyone saying the Russian didn't interfere....

What people said, at least people not falling for the Dems propaganda and parody, was that the Russian-Trump conspiracy narrative was a hoax. It was, as the numerous investigations have revealed.

You can stop deflecting though

Well, I'm not sure if I've heard anyone saying China isn't interfering either.

China IS interfering.

The reality is US freedom and "democracy" (whatever little democracy there actually is) is massively under threat, and the one thing people aren't talking about is how to stop this from happening. Everyone's too interested in slapping each ot her around the face with a wet fish. A dem fish and a rep fish.

And I thought you liked deflections.

cyber security and election security are two big ways to do with it. One party seems to oppose any sort of talk or move towards election security though

Because "election security" isn't the issue. It's just something the Republicans have invented to keep stupid people from the important issues.

elections are really a huge part of that democracy you said was under great threat....why don't you want to talk about it?

Have you seen the US elections lately? Only two parties will have any chance at winning seats in the House, Senate and winning the Presidency.

Like a tinpot dictatorship.

So much gerrymandering in House elections. Senate elections are inherently unfair as they give some people more power for their vote than others. And the presidential election is a joke with some states having loads of power and others none at all.

In Germany they vote FPTP and PR at the same time. With FPTP the CDU/CSU gained 36% of the vote and 77% of the seats. You think that's FAIR?

we’ve had a two party system since john adams nothing new. It’s actually a good thing in that in forces, or at least used to forced left learners and right leaners to compromise

gerrymandering has been around since we’ll forever too. it doesn’t impact democracy and in fact is done by the state legislature that has been elected

how does the senate do that? every voter has one vote for their senator

i don’t know if any state that has no power in. a presidential election...some states have more but that’s because more people live there

i don’t think you know what. democratic republic is

But they don't compromise. They compromise in GERMANY.

Yes, gerrymandering doesn't destroy democracy. It annihilates democracy. You tell everyone they have it, but the reality is they don't and everyone's so freaking ignorant of the fact.

sure they do...one one nominee from each party

i am not sure how that’s the case with gerrymandering. folks can vote out the people that draw the map or vote them in.

i certainly think gerrymandering can be so absurd that it does violate someones right and they can challenge that in court

Wow, it's Democracy, but you can only choose between one candidate from two parties.

In Hong Kong they had "democracy". You could vote for THREE Xi choices for leader of Hong Kong. Someone wrote "they wanted democracy, they got democracy".

I thought, that's ridiculous. Then I looked at US elections.


And you can't always vote out the people who draw the maps, if they draw them well enough.

no you can write in whoever you want, and people can get on the ballot with certain signatures or support. Each state has their own laws in that cut off

The Govt doesn’t pick the folks here...although the dem party is getting rely close, in particular in 2016, of picking the nominee abs taking it from the people

sure you can. The people that draw the maps for the House aren’t the people running for the house. The State legislature draws the maps

 

[odanny]

It's the JOOZ I tell ya, it's the JOOZ!

 

[frigidweirdo]

Foreign influence is huge in the DNC....China, Iran, 1 percenters from around the world

And this after the Reps said it was nonsense about Russian interference for 4 years.

huh? I don't recall anyone saying the Russian didn't interfere....

What people said, at least people not falling for the Dems propaganda and parody, was that the Russian-Trump conspiracy narrative was a hoax. It was, as the numerous investigations have revealed.

You can stop deflecting though

Well, I'm not sure if I've heard anyone saying China isn't interfering either.

China IS interfering.

The reality is US freedom and "democracy" (whatever little democracy there actually is) is massively under threat, and the one thing people aren't talking about is how to stop this from happening. Everyone's too interested in slapping each ot her around the face with a wet fish. A dem fish and a rep fish.

And I thought you liked deflections.

cyber security and election security are two big ways to do with it. One party seems to oppose any sort of talk or move towards election security though

Because "election security" isn't the issue. It's just something the Republicans have invented to keep stupid people from the important issues.

elections are really a huge part of that democracy you said was under great threat....why don't you want to talk about it?

Have you seen the US elections lately? Only two parties will have any chance at winning seats in the House, Senate and winning the Presidency.

Like a tinpot dictatorship.

So much gerrymandering in House elections. Senate elections are inherently unfair as they give some people more power for their vote than others. And the presidential election is a joke with some states having loads of power and others none at all.

In Germany they vote FPTP and PR at the same time. With FPTP the CDU/CSU gained 36% of the vote and 77% of the seats. You think that's FAIR?

we’ve had a two party system since john adams nothing new. It’s actually a good thing in that in forces, or at least used to forced left learners and right leaners to compromise

gerrymandering has been around since we’ll forever too. it doesn’t impact democracy and in fact is done by the state legislature that has been elected

how does the senate do that? every voter has one vote for their senator

i don’t know if any state that has no power in. a presidential election...some states have more but that’s because more people live there

i don’t think you know what. democratic republic is

But they don't compromise. They compromise in GERMANY.

Yes, gerrymandering doesn't destroy democracy. It annihilates democracy. You tell everyone they have it, but the reality is they don't and everyone's so freaking ignorant of the fact.

sure they do...one one nominee from each party

i am not sure how that’s the case with gerrymandering. folks can vote out the people that draw the map or vote them in.

i certainly think gerrymandering can be so absurd that it does violate someones right and they can challenge that in court

Wow, it's Democracy, but you can only choose between one candidate from two parties.

In Hong Kong they had "democracy". You could vote for THREE Xi choices for leader of Hong Kong. Someone wrote "they wanted democracy, they got democracy".

I thought, that's ridiculous. Then I looked at US elections.


And you can't always vote out the people who draw the maps, if they draw them well enough.

no you can write in whoever you want, and people can get on the ballot with certain signatures or support. Each state has their own laws in that cut off

The Govt doesn’t pick the folks here...although the dem party is getting rely close, in particular in 2016, of picking the nominee abs taking it from the people

sure you can. The people that draw the maps for the House aren’t the people running for the house. The State legislature draws the maps

Well, most people don't choose. They could vote, but then again they're voting for who gets to take the truffles.

Most politicians are in it for the money, they get backing from someone who pays for their campaign and expects blowjobs in return.

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

The dirty Democrats in action. This needs investigation, not the bullshit over Giuliani and FARA.

Hansjörg Wyss, who recently dropped his bid to buy Tribune Publishing, has been a leading source of difficult-to-trace money to groups associated with Democrats.​

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He is not as well known as wealthy liberal patrons like George Soros or Tom Steyer. His political activism is channeled through a daisy chain of opaque organizations that mask the ultimate recipients of his money. But the Swiss billionaire Hansjörg Wyss has quietly become one of the most important donors to left-leaning advocacy groups and an increasingly influential force among Democrats.​

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Newly obtained tax filings show that two of Mr. Wyss’s organizations, a foundation and a nonprofit fund, donated $208 million from 2016 through early last year to three other nonprofit funds that doled out money to a wide array of groups that backed progressive causes and helped Democrats in their efforts to win the White House and control of Congress last year.​

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Mr. Wyss’s representatives say his organizations’ money is not being spent on political campaigning. But documents and interviews show that the entities have come to play a prominent role in financing the political infrastructure that supports Democrats and their issues.​

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While most of his operation’s recent politically oriented giving was channeled through the three nonprofit funds, Mr. Wyss’s organizations also directly donated tens of millions of dollars since 2016 to groups that opposed former President Donald J. Trump and promoted Democrats and their causes.​

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Beneficiaries of his organizations’ direct giving included prominent groups such as the Center for American Progress and Priorities USA, as well as organizations that ran voter registration and mobilization campaigns to increase Democratic turnout, built media outlets accused of slanting the news to favor Democrats and sought to block Mr. Trump’s nominees, prove he colluded with Russia and push for his impeachment.​

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Several officials from organizations started by Mr. Wyss and his team worked on the Biden transition or joined the administration, and on environmental policy in particular Mr. Wyss’s agenda appears to align with President Biden’s.​

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Mr. Wyss’s growing political influence attracted attention after he emerged last month as a leading bidder for the Tribune Publishing newspaper chain. Mr. Wyss later dropped out of the bidding for the papers.​

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Born in Switzerland and living in Wyoming, he has not disclosed publicly whether he holds citizenship or permanent residency in the United States. Foreign nationals without permanent residency are barred from donating directly to federal political candidates or political action committees, but not from giving to groups that seek to influence public policy — a legal distinction often lost on voters targeted by such groups.​

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Mr. Wyss’s role as a donor is coming to light even as congressional Democrats, with support from Mr. Biden, are pushing legislation intended to rein in so-called dark money spending that could restrict some of the groups financed by Mr. Wyss’s organizations.​

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Swiss Billionaire Quietly Becomes Influential Force Among Democrats (Published 2021)

Hansjörg Wyss, who recently dropped his bid to buy Tribune Publishing, has been a leading source of difficult-to-trace money to groups associated with Democrats.

www.nytimes.com

Just about all the billionaires control or influence the D party, just as they do the R party.

US politics is corrupt because it's not about the people.

And as soon as someone is elected that fights for the people. They are hastily removed, any way possible.

 

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The dirty Democrats in action. This needs investigation, not the bullshit over Giuliani and FARA.

Hansjörg Wyss, who recently dropped his bid to buy Tribune Publishing, has been a leading source of difficult-to-trace money to groups associated with Democrats.​

​

He is not as well known as wealthy liberal patrons like George Soros or Tom Steyer. His political activism is channeled through a daisy chain of opaque organizations that mask the ultimate recipients of his money. But the Swiss billionaire Hansjörg Wyss has quietly become one of the most important donors to left-leaning advocacy groups and an increasingly influential force among Democrats.​

​

Newly obtained tax filings show that two of Mr. Wyss’s organizations, a foundation and a nonprofit fund, donated $208 million from 2016 through early last year to three other nonprofit funds that doled out money to a wide array of groups that backed progressive causes and helped Democrats in their efforts to win the White House and control of Congress last year.​

​

Mr. Wyss’s representatives say his organizations’ money is not being spent on political campaigning. But documents and interviews show that the entities have come to play a prominent role in financing the political infrastructure that supports Democrats and their issues.​

​

While most of his operation’s recent politically oriented giving was channeled through the three nonprofit funds, Mr. Wyss’s organizations also directly donated tens of millions of dollars since 2016 to groups that opposed former President Donald J. Trump and promoted Democrats and their causes.​

​

Beneficiaries of his organizations’ direct giving included prominent groups such as the Center for American Progress and Priorities USA, as well as organizations that ran voter registration and mobilization campaigns to increase Democratic turnout, built media outlets accused of slanting the news to favor Democrats and sought to block Mr. Trump’s nominees, prove he colluded with Russia and push for his impeachment.​

​

Several officials from organizations started by Mr. Wyss and his team worked on the Biden transition or joined the administration, and on environmental policy in particular Mr. Wyss’s agenda appears to align with President Biden’s.​

​

Mr. Wyss’s growing political influence attracted attention after he emerged last month as a leading bidder for the Tribune Publishing newspaper chain. Mr. Wyss later dropped out of the bidding for the papers.​

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Born in Switzerland and living in Wyoming, he has not disclosed publicly whether he holds citizenship or permanent residency in the United States. Foreign nationals without permanent residency are barred from donating directly to federal political candidates or political action committees, but not from giving to groups that seek to influence public policy — a legal distinction often lost on voters targeted by such groups.​

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Mr. Wyss’s role as a donor is coming to light even as congressional Democrats, with support from Mr. Biden, are pushing legislation intended to rein in so-called dark money spending that could restrict some of the groups financed by Mr. Wyss’s organizations.​

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Swiss Billionaire Quietly Becomes Influential Force Among Democrats (Published 2021)

Hansjörg Wyss, who recently dropped his bid to buy Tribune Publishing, has been a leading source of difficult-to-trace money to groups associated with Democrats.

www.nytimes.com

Just about all the billionaires control or influence the D party, just as they do the R party.

US politics is corrupt because it's not about the people.

And as soon as someone is elected that fights for the people. They are hastily removed, any way possible.

And it's easy to do so, because FPTP is the system that benefits the rich, the power etc. It's why they like it.

PR is about the people, the people end up controlling most of the government, and what they don't control, they have a lot of oversight over.

 

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Foreign influence is huge in the DNC....China, Iran, 1 percenters from around the world

And this after the Reps said it was nonsense about Russian interference for 4 years.

huh? I don't recall anyone saying the Russian didn't interfere....

What people said, at least people not falling for the Dems propaganda and parody, was that the Russian-Trump conspiracy narrative was a hoax. It was, as the numerous investigations have revealed.

You can stop deflecting though

Well, I'm not sure if I've heard anyone saying China isn't interfering either.

China IS interfering.

The reality is US freedom and "democracy" (whatever little democracy there actually is) is massively under threat, and the one thing people aren't talking about is how to stop this from happening. Everyone's too interested in slapping each ot her around the face with a wet fish. A dem fish and a rep fish.

And I thought you liked deflections.

cyber security and election security are two big ways to do with it. One party seems to oppose any sort of talk or move towards election security though

Because "election security" isn't the issue. It's just something the Republicans have invented to keep stupid people from the important issues.

elections are really a huge part of that democracy you said was under great threat....why don't you want to talk about it?

Have you seen the US elections lately? Only two parties will have any chance at winning seats in the House, Senate and winning the Presidency.

Like a tinpot dictatorship.

So much gerrymandering in House elections. Senate elections are inherently unfair as they give some people more power for their vote than others. And the presidential election is a joke with some states having loads of power and others none at all.

In Germany they vote FPTP and PR at the same time. With FPTP the CDU/CSU gained 36% of the vote and 77% of the seats. You think that's FAIR?

we’ve had a two party system since john adams nothing new. It’s actually a good thing in that in forces, or at least used to forced left learners and right leaners to compromise

gerrymandering has been around since we’ll forever too. it doesn’t impact democracy and in fact is done by the state legislature that has been elected

how does the senate do that? every voter has one vote for their senator

i don’t know if any state that has no power in. a presidential election...some states have more but that’s because more people live there

i don’t think you know what. democratic republic is

But they don't compromise. They compromise in GERMANY.

Yes, gerrymandering doesn't destroy democracy. It annihilates democracy. You tell everyone they have it, but the reality is they don't and everyone's so freaking ignorant of the fact.

sure they do...one one nominee from each party

i am not sure how that’s the case with gerrymandering. folks can vote out the people that draw the map or vote them in.

i certainly think gerrymandering can be so absurd that it does violate someones right and they can challenge that in court

Wow, it's Democracy, but you can only choose between one candidate from two parties.

In Hong Kong they had "democracy". You could vote for THREE Xi choices for leader of Hong Kong. Someone wrote "they wanted democracy, they got democracy".

I thought, that's ridiculous. Then I looked at US elections.


And you can't always vote out the people who draw the maps, if they draw them well enough.

no you can write in whoever you want, and people can get on the ballot with certain signatures or support. Each state has their own laws in that cut off

The Govt doesn’t pick the folks here...although the dem party is getting rely close, in particular in 2016, of picking the nominee abs taking it from the people

sure you can. The people that draw the maps for the House aren’t the people running for the house. The State legislature draws the maps

Well, most people don't choose. They could vote, but then again they're voting for who gets to take the truffles.

Most politicians are in it for the money, they get backing from someone who pays for their campaign and expects blowjobs in return.

I don't understand your first point

I agree with your second point