Sweatshops Benefit the Poor

[AllieBaba]

"Pol Pot and his minions committed mass murder against their own people. Now, an international tribunal is to judge the regime -- what some people call the first legal reckoning with communism. Can justice be served, 30 years on?

The crimes committed were monstrous. Almost half of Cambodia's population of 7 million died in Pol Pot's barbaric attempt to turn his country into the ultimate communist society, says Prime Minister Hun Sen.

Foreign experts consider 1.7 million to be a more probable figure for the number killed. Nhem Sal's visitors said only seven of the approximately 20,000 inmates of S-21 survived the torture camp.

At the opening reception for the diplomatic corps, the South Korean ambassador summoned the foreign judges and urged them to take their historical responsibility seriously, "because the trial is the first legal reckoning with communism."
The Guardians of Hell: Cambodia Prepares for Khmer Rouge Tribunal - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

Sorry, commie. THe world doesn't agree with you.

 

[Epsilon Delta]

The state owned the means of production, the workers didn't. Hence... if the workers didn't own the means of production... It wasn't communism. You forget, communism is supposed to be classless AND stateless. All the states that were supposedly communist called themselves socialist (USSR not USCR??), because a "Communist State" is an oxymoron. So, they were an extreme form of corporate totalitarian regime, paying lip service to "Socialism". Even Hitler had "Socialism" on the Party Name. And even today there are socialists parties around the world that operate democratically and are nothing like either of the aforementioned examples. Likewise there are capitalist democracies as well as capitalist brutal dictatorship. Totalitarian and Libertarian are on different scales than "Capitalist/Free Market" and "Communist/Command Economy".

 

[Said1]

"Pol Pot and his minions committed mass murder against their own people. Now, an international tribunal is to judge the regime -- what some people call the first legal reckoning with communism. Can justice be served, 30 years on?

The crimes committed were monstrous. Almost half of Cambodia's population of 7 million died in Pol Pot's barbaric attempt to turn his country into the ultimate communist society, says Prime Minister Hun Sen.

Foreign experts consider 1.7 million to be a more probable figure for the number killed. Nhem Sal's visitors said only seven of the approximately 20,000 inmates of S-21 survived the torture camp.

At the opening reception for the diplomatic corps, the South Korean ambassador summoned the foreign judges and urged them to take their historical responsibility seriously, "because the trial is the first legal reckoning with communism."
The Guardians of Hell: Cambodia Prepares for Khmer Rouge Tribunal - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

Sorry, commie. THe world doesn't agree with you.

The regime was state-capitalistic in nature. This is not calling them capitalists, btw.

As to your bolded text, who were the 'some' people? some people call me damn sexy, doesn't mean it's true.....even though it reallly is.

 

[AllieBaba]

THe Khmer Rouge was communism, and a prime example of exactly what happens in communist societies. They rot and they brutalize their people.

Pissing and moaning that they weren't true commies doesn't mean a thing. They were communists, and the problem with communism is it lends itself to distortion, abuses, and slaughter.

Too bad so sad. I have yet to come across a site that says Khmer Rouge was anything but a commie regime. It's only the people who embrace communism who want to deny it. You're certain that if you just get the right "brand" it will be a raging success.

Fucking commie retards.

 

[Toro]

I saw a good program on PBS about this topic yesterday or the day before. In some countries like Cambodia, that Sweatshop Labor is the only job for hundreds of miles around. The alternative was scavanging in the community garbage dump to make a living. Those poor people would be better off in a sweatshop.

Fact remains that as the world's population continues to skyrocket, more and more people are living in abject poverty.

There was a study done a few years ago about an anti-sweatshop campaign against textile manufacturers in Bangladesh. Many children were working in the factories and this offended many in the west. As a result, a law was passed which forced Wal-Mart and other countries to not buy from these factories. To preserve their business, the factory owners fired the children. With a few years, something like 50,000 wound up in prostitution.

 

[Said1]

I love communism.

 

[AllieBaba]

Well by all means keep them in those sweatshops,w orking with toxic substances and blowing up every now and then.

THe main thing is they don't become prostitutes. Maintain the work camps because kids who aren't in work camps become prostitutes.

That's like the "abort the babies because if you don't they'll end up in prison" fallacy.

Commie retards.

 

[Said1]

There was a study done a few years ago about an anti-sweatshop campaign against textile manufacturers in Bangladesh. Many children were working in the factories and this offended many in the west. As a result, a law was passed which forced Wal-Mart and other countries to not buy from these factories. To preserve their business, the factory owners fired the children. With a few years, something like 50,000 wound up in prostitution.

Actually, they still employ what we would consider children, in Bangladesh. The age range depends on the type of work - no one under 12 allowed anywhere, or something like that.

 

[Anguille]

I saw a good program on PBS about this topic yesterday or the day before. In some countries like Cambodia, that Sweatshop Labor is the only job for hundreds of miles around. The alternative was scavanging in the community garbage dump to make a living. Those poor people would be better off in a sweatshop.

Fact remains that as the world's population continues to skyrocket, more and more people are living in abject poverty.

All the more reason to applaud Obama if he does this:

"Source said Obama may use the occasion to reverse the "Mexico City policy" reinstated in 2001 by Bush that prohibits U.S. money from funding international family planning groups that promote abortion or provide information, counseling or referrals about abortion services. It bans any organization receiving family planning funds from the U.S. Agency for International Development from offering abortions or abortion counseling. "
CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Sources: Obama may use executive order reverse abortion policy « - Blogs from CNN.com

 

[AllieBaba]

So not only will we be working kids to death, subjecting them to industrial accidents, explosions, and toxic substances in order to "save" them from prostitution....you think it's a good idea just to kill the little nits before they're born.

How very progressive of you.

 

[Dr Grump]

So not only will we be working kids to death, subjecting them to industrial accidents, explosions, and toxic substances in order to "save" them from prostitution....you think it's a good idea just to kill the little nits before they're born.

How very progressive of you.

You are beyond stupid. Carry on!

 

[Anguille]

So not only will we be working kids to death, subjecting them to industrial accidents, explosions, and toxic substances in order to "save" them from prostitution....you think it's a good idea just to kill the little nits before they're born.

How very progressive of you.

the little nits?

 

[Agnapostate]

THe Khmer Rouge was communism, and a prime example of exactly what happens in communist societies. They rot and they brutalize their people.

Pissing and moaning that they weren't true commies doesn't mean a thing. They were communists, and the problem with communism is it lends itself to distortion, abuses, and slaughter.

Too bad so sad. I have yet to come across a site that says Khmer Rouge was anything but a commie regime. It's only the people who embrace communism who want to deny it. You're certain that if you just get the right "brand" it will be a raging success.

Fucking commie retards.

Your profound ignorance of political economy exacerbates your inability to reply intelligently to my remark. Your tendency to interpret names literally would likely disappear when it came to Soviet controlled East Germany, as it was called the "German Democratic Republic."

Authoritarian regimes are not even socialist in nature, let alone communist. For instance, socialism necessitates the collective ownership of the means of production, and no meaningful form of collective ownership can be established in a system in which a dictatorial upper class controls the means of production. As communism is a variant of socialism, and communism similarly necessitates the collective ownership of the means of production, and an even more egalitarian economic system, it would thus follow that communism cannot be authoritarian either. You improperly conflate state capitalism with socialism or communism, which is a common error of the anti-socialist.

Consider the example of the Soviet Union, for instance: The Soviet Union Versus Socialism, by Noam Chomsky

"The Leninist antagonism to the most essential features of socialism was evident from the very start. In revolutionary Russia, Soviets and factory committees developed as instruments of struggle and liberation, with many flaws, but with a rich potential. Lenin and Trotsky, upon assuming power, immediately devoted themselves to destroying the liberatory potential of these instruments, establishing the rule of the Party, in practice its Central Committee and its Maximal Leaders -- exactly as Trotsky had predicted years earlier, as Rosa Luxembourg and other left Marxists warned at the time, and as the anarchists had always understood. Not only the masses, but even the Party must be subject to "vigilant control from above," so Trotsky held as he made the transition from revolutionary intellectual to State priest. Before seizing State power, the Bolshevik leadership adopted much of the rhetoric of people who were engaged in the revolutionary struggle from below, but their true commitments were quite different. This was evident before and became crystal clear as they assumed State power in October 1917...Failure to understand the intense hostility to socialism on the part of the Leninist intelligentsia (with roots in Marx, no doubt), and corresponding misunderstanding of the Leninist model, has had a devastating impact on the struggle for a more decent society and a livable world in the West, and not only there. It is necessary to find a way to save the socialist ideal from its enemies in both of the world's major centres of power, from those who will always seek to be the State priests and social managers, destroying freedom in the name of liberation."

The problem of course, is that you know nothing about political economy, and are acquainted only with talking points from the Heritage Foundation's website.

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

You can't exactly be mad at him for not understanding the difference between Stalinism and real by-the-book Marxism. There's an awful lot of "communists" who would delirious with joy if the federal government took over all major industries tomorrow, even though that is state-capitalism.

 

[Agnapostate]

I'm not even discussing Marxism; I'm an anarchist, not a Marxist. Believe me, any Marxist on here would be able to tell you that I'm not one. But the main point is that I wasn't discussing some terribly obscure component of socialist theory. (i.e. What is the nature of the Leninist/Trotskyite split regarding crisis theory?) I was merely commenting on a distinction (indeed, a chasm) between socialism and state capitalism. AllieBabble also had an incredibly abrasive attitude.

 

[Againsheila]

Okay, here's an idea...how about we provide free birth control to the poor or to everyone? How about we encourage them to give their children that they can't afford, up for adoption? There are still many people who want children, who can afford them, and can't have them.

In the 70's, we were encouraged to reduce our birth rate to replacement value. It worked. The average American has less than 2 children per family while the average immigrant has 7.5 children per family. How about we pay to teach the rest of the world about over population? Encourage them to reduce their birthrate the way we were taught?

We should also, ship all illegals home and not allow anyone here legally unless they agree to limit the number of children they have to 2 per family, if they bring 2 children with them, they can have none once they get here, sterilize them as they come in.

Why is it we are paying for the world's over population when we are not contributing to it?

 

[editec]

Yes and unions benefit the owners, too.

The sooner the owners of businesses realize that workers need to make enough money to have a life so they buy stuff we making the better off we'll ALL be in the long run.

 

[Agnapostate]

These "solutions" will do nothing while neoliberal policies continue to reign. Trade liberalization must be abandoned first.

 

[Toro]

These "solutions" will do nothing while neoliberal policies continue to reign. Trade liberalization must be abandoned first.

Yeah, Smoot-Hawley worked really well.

 

[Shogun]

I saw a good program on PBS about this topic yesterday or the day before. In some countries like Cambodia, that Sweatshop Labor is the only job for hundreds of miles around. The alternative was scavanging in the community garbage dump to make a living. Those poor people would be better off in a sweatshop.

Fact remains that as the world's population continues to skyrocket, more and more people are living in abject poverty.

There was a study done a few years ago about an anti-sweatshop campaign against textile manufacturers in Bangladesh. Many children were working in the factories and this offended many in the west. As a result, a law was passed which forced Wal-Mart and other countries to not buy from these factories. To preserve their business, the factory owners fired the children. With a few years, something like 50,000 wound up in prostitution.

and this validates sweat shops how? Are you going to tell me that slavery BENEFITS slaves because it takes blacks out of the jungle to places that are safe from malaria and jungle cats?


WOW. This thread is nothing short of retarded.