Leave the New Deal In the History Books

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Mark Levey: Leave the New Deal in the History Books - WSJ.com

Finally someone is making sense.

But i fear we are doomed to repeat history.

President Barry will spend trillions of dollars of our money to no avail. will he listen to voices of the past?

By 1939 Roosevelt's own Treasury secretary, Henry Morgenthau, had realized that the New Deal economic policies had failed. "We have tried spending money," Morgenthau wrote in his diary. "We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. . . . After eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. . . . And an enormous debt to boot!"


As a short-term matter, the moves of the Fed and other central banks have been correct, but in the long term a return to growth will depend on dynamic job creation by American business -- not the U.S. government. Under a two-year plan designed to create three million to four million jobs, Mr. Obama's plan would have the federal government begin distributing funds for public-works projects carried out by the states. With government already spending 20% of GDP, federal government, not private enterprise, will become the growth industry.

Now we see that government being the growth industry at the expense of all others IS Barry's plan. What other reason can there be to spend so much of our money when this type of spending has already been shown not to work?

The effect of these policies, like FDR's, will be to lengthen the pain.

Why would Barry's spending be any more efficacious than FDR's?

We are headed for the exact same result that FDR got.

Will it take a full blown war in the Middle East to get us out of the New Depression that Barry's new New Deal will drive us into as it took WWII to save FDR's ass?

will President Barry realize:

The quickest way to strengthen the credit system and begin the end of this crisis is to get money into the economy for true job creation, and not into government work programs. The way to do this is to slash taxes. The U.S. corporate tax rate, currently the highest in the world, should be cut to 0% (corporate income would still be taxed, of course, when distributed to shareholders as dividends). The capital-gains tax should be cut further.

The positive impact on corporate-credit markets, the stock market, the attractiveness of the U.S. to foreign investors, and the willingness to take business risk and create new jobs would be immediate. Capital-gains tax collections would rise. Capital flows would be in the hands of those who are driven to build businesses and permanent jobs efficiently instead of pushing that capital through a government pipeline with endless amounts of friction. If the U.S. is to lead the international economic community out of this crisis, this is the place to start.


time will tell but I think we all know that President Barry will repeat the failures of FDR's policies.
 
Nah. The New Deal worked. I'm sticking with that, it makes me feel more comfortable. :rolleyes:
 
The new deal brought long term growth not equaled in centuries. Do you know why? Because rather than giving people money (bush stimulus plan) it revolved around job creation and long term infastructure growth resulting in the highest level of optimism of any decade next to the 50's.

Giving people money wont work, rewarding people for doing things that will stimulate the economy WILL. For example, tax breaks to all new home buyers and re-financed morgages for longer periods. Tax credits and tutition payments to all students or unemployed workers who wish to further their education.....etc. all these things were done in the 50's and worked LONG TERM. We must reward people for educating themselves, reward unemployed workers for training for new industries to get a job, reward new homebuyers, reward small business for expanding. Oh and guess what, large corporations payed the most in taxes than any other point in history and nobody complained. NOW, large corporations pay about 7-8 percent in taxes because of the so called "trickle down theory" which has brought job security but has ended job growth and long term job advancement.Creating a stranglehold on nearly every single industry.
 
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The new deal brought long term growth not equaled in centuries. Do you know why? Because rather than giving people money (bush stimulus plan) it revolved around job creation and long term infastructure growth resulting in the highest level of optimism of any decade next to the 50's.

Giving people money wont work, rewarding people for doing things that will stimulate the economy WILL. For example, tax breaks to all new home buyers and re-financed morgages for longer periods. Tax credits and tutition payments to all students or unemployed workers who wish to further their education.....etc. all these things were done in the 50's and worked LONG TERM. We must reward people for educating themselves, reward unemployed workers for training for new industries to get a job, reward new homebuyers, reward small business for expanding. Oh and guess what, large corporations payed the most in taxes than any other point in history and nobody complained. NOW, large corporations pay about 7-8 percent in taxes because of the so called "trickle down theory" which has brought job security but has ended job growth and long term job advancement.Creating a stranglehold on nearly every single industry.

Try reading actual history....
 
Nah. The New Deal worked. I'm sticking with that, it makes me feel more comfortable. :rolleyes:

INDEED! THE NEW DEAL DID WORK. AMEN!

The ignorant on this board pretend that it did not work, but it gave us some semblance of stability when the rest of the world fell further and further into crisis. Granted, we had unemployment, but our conditions were far better than most of the world with the exception of Nazi Germany. Hitler put more people to work.
 
INDEED! THE NEW DEAL DID WORK. AMEN!

The ignorant on this board pretend that it did not work, but it gave us some semblance of stability when the rest of the world fell further and further into crisis. Granted, we had unemployment, but our conditions were far better than most of the world with the exception of Nazi Germany. Hitler put more people to work.

Yes, it certainly did work. It worked to prolong and worsen the Great Depression by roughly 10 years.
 
Yes, it certainly did work. It worked to prolong and worsen the Great Depression by roughly 10 years.

opinion as fact? jeesh!


didn't we go through this before?

But the Administration's other response to the 1937 deepening of the Great Depression had more tangible results.[44] Ignoring the requests of the Treasury Department and responding to the urgings of the converts to Keynesian economics and others in his Administration, Roosevelt embarked on an antidote to the depression, reluctantly abandoning his efforts to balance the budget and launching a $5 billion spending program in the spring of 1938, an effort to increase mass purchasing power.[4
 
I'm not sure it can be an opinion, either it did or it didn't prolong the Depression. In this case, it did.

what is it you do not understand about the difference between a fact and an opinion?

The economy eventually recovered from the low point of the winter of 1932-33, with sustained improvement until 1937, when the Recession of 1937 brought back 1934 levels of unemployment. There is debate among scholars as to whether New Deal policies lengthened and deepened the Depression; One small mail-in survey suggests that 27% of professional historians and 49% of professional economists believe the New Deal served to lengthen and deepen the Great depression.[2].
wiki/Great_Depression_in_the_United_States
 
Well an opinion is something that you believe, such as a particular taste in music. A fact is something that is provable, in this case, the New Deal has been proven to have prolonged the Great Depression. Therefore it's a fact.

really? What is the New Deal? you aren't even being disingenuous are you? so you really are this ignorant in real life?

Roosevelt entered office with more than one ideology or plan for dealing with the great depression.[5] In the "First New Deal" (1933-34) many organized liberal groups (except the Socialist Party, which was virtually destroyed[6]) gained much of what they had demanded. This "First New Deal" was thus a blend of self-contradiction, pragmatism, and experiment.

The economy eventually recovered from the low point of 1932, with sustained improvement until 1937, when the Recession of 1937 brought back 1934 levels of unemployment. Whether the New Deal was responsible for the recovery, or whether it slowed the recovery, has been disputed.

facts are often disputed

The New Deal was the name that United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt gave to a sequence of programs he initiated between 1933 and 1936 with the goal of giving work (relief) to the unemployed, reform of business and financial practices, and recovery of the economy during The Great Depression.

The "First New Deal" of 1933 was aimed at short-term recovery programs for all groups. The Roosevelt administration promoted or implemented banking reform laws, emergency relief programs, work relief programs, agricultural programs, and industrial reform (the National Recovery Administration, NRA), and the end of the gold standard and Prohibition.

A "Second New Deal" (1935–36) included labor union support, the Works Progress Administration (WPA) relief program, the Social Security Act, and programs to aid farmers, including tenant farmers and migrant workers. The Supreme Court ruled several programs unconstitutional; however, most were soon replaced, with the exception of the NRA.

Most of the relief programs were shut down during World War II by the Conservative Coalition (i.e., the opponents of the New Deal in Congress). Many regulations were ended during the wave of deregulation in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Several New Deal programs remain active, with some still operating under the original names, including the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), the Federal Housing Administration (FHA), and the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA). The largest programs still in existence today are the Social Security System, Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), and Fannie Mae.
 
Yes, it certainly did work. It worked to prolong and worsen the Great Depression by roughly 10 years.

At least that's what the new--and I bet short lived--Libertarian/anarchist historians are saying. Doesn't make it true, but that's what those kooks are saying anyway
 
At least that's what the new--and I bet short lived--Libertarian/anarchist historians are saying. Doesn't make it true, but that's what those kooks are saying anyway

Yeah the Libertarian/anarchist historians whose parents and grand parents... bought homes, got health care, sent kids to fine colleges after attending great public schools, who made and saved small to great fortunes, started successful companies...all with government assistance.
 
Yeah the Libertarian/anarchist historians whose parents and grand parents... bought homes, got health care, sent kids to fine colleges after attending great public schools, who made and saved small to great fortunes, started successful companies...all with government assistance.

That's so true. The Anarchists/libertarians are the new communists. They have an answer to all problems, but its a stupid answer!
 

Ya, they have taken off of late. I think they benefited from the Rush Limbaugh/Hannity popularity, but attracted people put off by their clownishness, but still like the anti-Tax, anti-government rant. Still, libertarinism is good at criticizing government, but when asked for answers about the solutions society faces, they offer nothing. I mean, what was FDR suppose to do? Let millions starve?
 
Ya, they have taken off of late. I think they benefited from the Rush Limbaugh/Hannity popularity, but attracted people put off by their clownishness, but still like the anti-Tax, anti-government rant. Still, libertarinism is good at criticizing government, but when asked for answers about the solutions society faces, they offer nothing. I mean, what was FDR suppose to do? Let millions starve?

Rush Limbaugh? Hannity? Are we still talking about Libertarians?
 

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