Stupid Bastard Announces Begining Of Shooting War With Iran

[Fort Fun Indiana]

How many casualties of this new war so far?

Just common sense and the english language. No need to worry about any boats being "shot down".

 

[beagle9]

How many casualties of this new war so far?

Just common sense and the english language. No need to worry about any boats being "shot down".

Don't make yourself look childish, because everyone knows that's not what Trump was referring to when he said either by sea or by air. People using the "flying gun boats" thought against Trump, is only making themselves look ridiculous in the situation.

It actually shows how desperate politically that someone is, otherwise when say these sorts of things.

"Hey Putin Trump says, if you got Hillary's e-mails, then we sure would like to see them". The left went crazy, and started saying "see, see, see, Trump is guilty see".

Rotflmbo

 

[Denizen]

How many casualties of this new war so far?

You are the first evident casualty.

Your mind is shot.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

ecause everyone knows that's not what Trump was referring to when he said either by sea or by air.

Excuse you:

“I have instructed the United States Navy to shoot down and destroy any and all Iranian gunboats if they harass our ships at sea.”

Direct quote.

And no matter what he meant (he probably had already forgotten the first half of the run-on sentence, by the time he got to the second half), it's still funny. And yes, he's dumb.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

I have said many times before — Trump may not “want war” but his policies are making war more likely. He can start one, but his posturing as “Mr. Tough Guy” will make it very hard to stop one once any “incident” starts escalating.

There are powerful forces that want war. I’m not talking about the idiots here on USM. The Israelis have long wanted the U.S. to attack Iran. Crucially, American Oil interests that once stood to lose a fortune if the Persian Gulf was shut down now would mostly also welcome the resulting rise in the price of oil. Even Russia would benefit. Here I disagree with charwin95, who I think earlier said that Russia would stand by Iran no matter what. I otherwise sympathize with his concerns.

The provocative U.S. military presence in this part of the world no longer makes any sense, if it ever did. The intelligent policy is to strategically draw down our forces, withdraw from Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan. Limit our naval forces in the Gulf to a bare minimum. American working people have NO SIDE in any conflict between Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shia Iran. Israel can defend itself. Our wars and interventions have left only wreckage and hatred, refugees and extremism behind, which we try to “clean up” with more interventions and by encouraging more civil war. The real U.S. policy is the same as the Israeli policy — Balkanize the whole region. The U.S., however, also wants ultimately to gain full control of all the oil in the Middle East so as to increase its leverage over China and ALL other countries now competing successfully with our de-industrialized and indebted economy. We cannot and should not try to maintain our world empire indefinitely through military force. This is the present real U.S. bipartisan policy, though it has been frustrated by Iranian resistance, and by Sunni terrorist “blowback.”

So just agree to have been defeated in the world or upon the world stage, and move on to becoming the weakling of the world eh ?

Not gonna happen bud. That kind of thinking is over. We will protect our interest around the world, and that's that. It is key to our security, and it will always be. If you don't like that, then go find you a country that you can agree with, and then go there.

If the day ever comes when the U.S. has decisively “been defeated in the world or upon the world stage, and [becomes] the weakling of the world,” it will be precisely because it pursued absurd adventurist military and imperialist policies. The U.S. will only overextend and destroy itself this way. The American people will not tolerate and the U.S. simply hasn’t the power to OCCUPY the Middle East, only the power to slaughter and destroy in violation of every principle of humanity.

No country will “defeat” us. We can only defeat ourselves. Mideast countries producing oil freely will never themselves be a threat to U.S. national interests. Insuring that outside powers don’t monopolize the whole region is a relatively simple matter. The producers need to sell their oil. The more producers, the more investors from outside, the better. Only in this way can the price of oil be kept relatively low and stable, allowing everyone to prosper.

 

[gipper]

Sorry as it makes me, I have to agree with Donald on this one. When someone tries to intimidate you, intimidate them back.

Then why not shot down Russians fighter planes and tankers that are constantly harassing US spy planes in the international air spaces?

Why not shoot down Russian fighter planes are caught very close to US territories?
How about that?

They also constantly harass our military ships in Baltic Sea.


Those are by far more threatening than a lousy boat. How ever let them shoot those boats and will see what will happened next. Just like killing Soleimani.

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Did it ever occur to you that our criminal government shouldn’t have spy planes near Russia or naval ships in the Baltic? It is nothing but a provocation, and it does nothing for the American people. It does help to keep the MIC flush with lots of cash.

 

[Denizen]

I have said many times before — Trump may not “want war” but his policies are making war more likely. He can start one, but his posturing as “Mr. Tough Guy” will make it very hard to stop one once any “incident” starts escalating.

There are powerful forces that want war. I’m not talking about the idiots here on USM. The Israelis have long wanted the U.S. to attack Iran. Crucially, American Oil interests that once stood to lose a fortune if the Persian Gulf was shut down now would mostly also welcome the resulting rise in the price of oil. Even Russia would benefit. Here I disagree with charwin95, who I think earlier said that Russia would stand by Iran no matter what. I otherwise sympathize with his concerns.

The provocative U.S. military presence in this part of the world no longer makes any sense, if it ever did. The intelligent policy is to strategically draw down our forces, withdraw from Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan. Limit our naval forces in the Gulf to a bare minimum. American working people have NO SIDE in any conflict between Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shia Iran. Israel can defend itself. Our wars and interventions have left only wreckage and hatred, refugees and extremism behind, which we try to “clean up” with more interventions and by encouraging more civil war. The real U.S. policy is the same as the Israeli policy — Balkanize the whole region. The U.S., however, also wants ultimately to gain full control of all the oil in the Middle East so as to increase its leverage over China and ALL other countries now competing successfully with our de-industrialized and indebted economy. We cannot and should not try to maintain our world empire indefinitely through military force. This is the present real U.S. bipartisan policy, though it has been frustrated by Iranian resistance, and by Sunni terrorist “blowback.”

So just agree to have been defeated in the world or upon the world stage, and move on to becoming the weakling of the world eh ?

Not gonna happen bud. That kind of thinking is over. We will protect our interest around the world, and that's that. It is key to our security, and it will always be. If you don't like that, then go find you a country that you can agree with, and then go there.

If the day ever comes when the U.S. has decisively “been defeated in the world or upon the world stage, and [becomes] the weakling of the world,” it will be precisely because it pursued absurd adventurist military and imperialist policies. The U.S. will only overextend and destroy itself this way. The American people will not tolerate and the U.S. simply hasn’t the power to OCCUPY the Middle East, only the power to slaughter and destroy in violation of every principle of humanity.

No country will “defeat” us. We can only defeat ourselves. Mideast countries producing oil freely will never themselves be a threat to U.S. national interests. Insuring that outside powers don’t monopolize the whole region is a relatively simple matter. The producers need to sell their oil. The more producers, the more investors from outside, the better. Only in this way can the price of oil be kept relatively low and stable, allowing everyone to prosper.

Dopey Donald Trump has forever created the circumstance where the US cannot afford a war after huge budget deficits and huge Federal government debt growth.

The military is riddled with Covid-19 infections.

Dopey Donald Trump's Covid-19 response has killed more Americans than the Vietnam war and the Iraq war together.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

I have said many times before — Trump may not “want war” but his policies are making war more likely. He can start one, but his posturing as “Mr. Tough Guy” will make it very hard to stop one once any “incident” starts escalating.

There are powerful forces that want war. I’m not talking about the idiots here on USM. The Israelis have long wanted the U.S. to attack Iran. Crucially, American Oil interests that once stood to lose a fortune if the Persian Gulf was shut down now would mostly also welcome the resulting rise in the price of oil. Even Russia would benefit. Here I disagree with charwin95, who I think earlier said that Russia would stand by Iran no matter what. I otherwise sympathize with his concerns.

The provocative U.S. military presence in this part of the world no longer makes any sense, if it ever did. The intelligent policy is to strategically draw down our forces, withdraw from Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan. Limit our naval forces in the Gulf to a bare minimum. American working people have NO SIDE in any conflict between Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shia Iran. Israel can defend itself. Our wars and interventions have left only wreckage and hatred, refugees and extremism behind, which we try to “clean up” with more interventions and by encouraging more civil war. The real U.S. policy is the same as the Israeli policy — Balkanize the whole region. The U.S., however, also wants ultimately to gain full control of all the oil in the Middle East so as to increase its leverage over China and ALL other countries now competing successfully with our de-industrialized and indebted economy. We cannot and should not try to maintain our world empire indefinitely through military force. This is the present real U.S. bipartisan policy, though it has been frustrated by Iranian resistance, and by Sunni terrorist “blowback.”

So just agree to have been defeated in the world or upon the world stage, and move on to becoming the weakling of the world eh ?

Not gonna happen bud. That kind of thinking is over. We will protect our interest around the world, and that's that. It is key to our security, and it will always be. If you don't like that, then go find you a country that you can agree with, and then go there.

If the day ever comes when the U.S. has decisively “been defeated in the world or upon the world stage, and [becomes] the weakling of the world,” it will be precisely because it pursued absurd adventurist military and imperialist policies. The U.S. will only overextend and destroy itself this way. The American people will not tolerate and the U.S. simply hasn’t the power to OCCUPY the Middle East, only the power to slaughter and destroy in violation of every principle of humanity.

No country will “defeat” us. We can only defeat ourselves. Mideast countries producing oil freely will never themselves be a threat to U.S. national interests. Insuring that outside powers don’t monopolize the whole region is a relatively simple matter. The producers need to sell their oil. The more producers, the more investors from outside, the better. Only in this way can the price of oil be kept relatively low and stable, allowing everyone to prosper.

Dopey Donald Trump has forever created the circumstance where the US cannot afford a war after huge budget deficits and huge Federal government debt growth.

The military is riddled with Covid-19 infections.

Dopey Donald Trump's Covid-19 response has killed more Americans than the Vietnam war and the Iraq war together.

I think the U.S. right now would simply print money to wage war. Trump is only a symptom of fundamental problems. Hillary Clinton — had she won the election or earlier had her way when Obama was President — would have gotten us MORE involved in the Syrian mess. She wanted to set up “no fly zones” there. Frankly, under her leadership, today downtown Damascus might look like downtown Aleppo.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It is nothing but a provocation, and it does nothing for the American people

False. Securing the world's busiest trade routes is in the best interests of america, its allies, and the global free market.

 

[beagle9]

ecause everyone knows that's not what Trump was referring to when he said either by sea or by air.

Excuse you:

“I have instructed the United States Navy to shoot down and destroy any and all Iranian gunboats if they harass our ships at sea.”

Direct quote.

And no matter what he meant (he probably had already forgotten the first half of the run-on sentence, by the time he got to the second half), it's still funny. And yes, he's dumb.

Already forgot eh ? No that be Joe Biden you are talking about when talking about forgetting something.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Already forgot eh ? No that be Joe Biden you are talking about when talking about forgetting something.

Well that was a lane change. What was that you were saying earlier, when you said,

"Because everyone knows that's not what Trump was referring to when he said either by sea or by air. "

But Trump actually said,

“I have instructed the United States Navy to shoot down and destroy any and all Iranian gunboats if they harass our ships at sea.”

Remember that?

 

[beagle9]

I have said many times before — Trump may not “want war” but his policies are making war more likely. He can start one, but his posturing as “Mr. Tough Guy” will make it very hard to stop one once any “incident” starts escalating.

There are powerful forces that want war. I’m not talking about the idiots here on USM. The Israelis have long wanted the U.S. to attack Iran. Crucially, American Oil interests that once stood to lose a fortune if the Persian Gulf was shut down now would mostly also welcome the resulting rise in the price of oil. Even Russia would benefit. Here I disagree with charwin95, who I think earlier said that Russia would stand by Iran no matter what. I otherwise sympathize with his concerns.

The provocative U.S. military presence in this part of the world no longer makes any sense, if it ever did. The intelligent policy is to strategically draw down our forces, withdraw from Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan. Limit our naval forces in the Gulf to a bare minimum. American working people have NO SIDE in any conflict between Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shia Iran. Israel can defend itself. Our wars and interventions have left only wreckage and hatred, refugees and extremism behind, which we try to “clean up” with more interventions and by encouraging more civil war. The real U.S. policy is the same as the Israeli policy — Balkanize the whole region. The U.S., however, also wants ultimately to gain full control of all the oil in the Middle East so as to increase its leverage over China and ALL other countries now competing successfully with our de-industrialized and indebted economy. We cannot and should not try to maintain our world empire indefinitely through military force. This is the present real U.S. bipartisan policy, though it has been frustrated by Iranian resistance, and by Sunni terrorist “blowback.”

So just agree to have been defeated in the world or upon the world stage, and move on to becoming the weakling of the world eh ?

Not gonna happen bud. That kind of thinking is over. We will protect our interest around the world, and that's that. It is key to our security, and it will always be. If you don't like that, then go find you a country that you can agree with, and then go there.

If the day ever comes when the U.S. has decisively “been defeated in the world or upon the world stage, and [becomes] the weakling of the world,” it will be precisely because it pursued absurd adventurist military and imperialist policies. The U.S. will only overextend and destroy itself this way. The American people will not tolerate and the U.S. simply hasn’t the power to OCCUPY the Middle East, only the power to slaughter and destroy in violation of every principle of humanity.

No country will “defeat” us. We can only defeat ourselves. Mideast countries producing oil freely will never themselves be a threat to U.S. national interests. Insuring that outside powers don’t monopolize the whole region is a relatively simple matter. The producers need to sell their oil. The more producers, the more investors from outside, the better. Only in this way can the price of oil be kept relatively low and stable, allowing everyone to prosper.

Outside investors ?? In that war torn hell hole that can barely last a year without fighting ?? I'm listening.

 

[beagle9]

Already forgot eh ? No that be Joe Biden you are talking about when talking about forgetting something.

Well that was a lane change. What was that you were saying earlier, when you said,

"Because everyone knows that's not what Trump was referring to when he said either by sea or by air. "

But Trump actually said,

“I have instructed the United States Navy to shoot down and destroy any and all Iranian gunboats if they harass our ships at sea.”

Remember that?

Yes, and the media or social media attempted to make fun of him by suggesting that he was mistakingly saying that a gun boat could fly. If you actually believe that he meant that instead of him meaning "anything that moves be it by sea or by air, shoot it out of the water or out of the air if being harassed", then seek help quick please.

 

[JimBowie1958]

If history is our guide, whenever an empire has unrest at home, the elites love to start a war to silence dissent.

Except Trump is not the one starting this shit, dude.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Outside investors ?? In that war torn hell hole that can barely last a year without fighting ?? I'm listening.

Actually, MANY Western countries, and Asian ones too, want to invest in Iran, but U.S. law and abusive overseas “secondary sanctions” prevent that. Even in Iraq, China was on the verge of signing contracts with the government to make huge desperately needed investments in rebuilding oil fields, when the U.S. used its influence to stop it. Syria is also still sanctioned by the U.S.A. So, when you say these countries are “war torn hells” — you are talking about what exactly? Who bombed Iraq to smithereens? Who encouraged and financed Islamic fanatics in their jihad and long civil war in Syria? Who is preventing foreign investors from coming in to rebuild? Remember how Trump said that, even in the Eastern Syrian desert, he would “Keep the oil” that the whole world knows belongs to Syria, and that the Syrian government needs? Any idea of how disruptive the sanctions are for traders and capitalist entrepreneurs in Syria, Iraq and Iran?

 

[Denizen]

If history is our guide, whenever an empire has unrest at home, the elites love to start a war to silence dissent.

Except Trump is not the one starting this shit, dude.

US ships and aircraft are in the vicinity of Iran's territory.

How is it that the US is not starting this shit?

 

[gipper]

It is nothing but a provocation, and it does nothing for the American people

False. Securing the world's busiest trade routes is in the best interests of america, its allies, and the global free market.

LOL. One doesn’t need aircraft carriers to do that. Secondly who is threatening trade routes? Russia? China?

 

[gipper]

Outside investors ?? In that war torn hell hole that can barely last a year without fighting ?? I'm listening.

Actually, MANY Western countries, and Asian ones too, want to invest in Iran, but U.S. law and abusive overseas “secondary sanctions” prevent that. Even in Iraq, China was on the verge of signing contracts with the government to make huge desperately needed investments in rebuilding oil fields, when the U.S. used its influence to stop it. Syria is also still sanctioned by the U.S.A. So, when you say these countries are “war torn hells” — you are talking about what exactly? Who bombed Iraq to smithereens? Who encouraged and financed Islamic fanatics in their jihad and long civil war in Syria? Who is preventing foreign investors from coming in to rebuild? Remember how Trump said that, even in the Eastern Syrian desert, he would “Keep the oil” that the whole world knows belongs to Syria, and that the Syrian government needs? Any idea of how disruptive the sanctions are for traders and capitalist entrepreneurs in Syria, Iraq and Iran?

You’ll find ignorant duped Americans can’t accept the truth, that their government is the main culprit.

 

[beagle9]

Outside investors ?? In that war torn hell hole that can barely last a year without fighting ?? I'm listening.

Actually, MANY Western countries, and Asian ones too, want to invest in Iran, but U.S. law and abusive overseas “secondary sanctions” prevent that. Even in Iraq, China was on the verge of signing contracts with the government to make huge desperately needed investments in rebuilding oil fields, when the U.S. used its influence to stop it. Syria is also still sanctioned by the U.S.A. So, when you say these countries are “war torn hells” — you are talking about what exactly? Who bombed Iraq to smithereens? Who encouraged and financed Islamic fanatics in their jihad and long civil war in Syria? Who is preventing foreign investors from coming in to rebuild? Remember how Trump said that, even in the Eastern Syrian desert, he would “Keep the oil” that the whole world knows belongs to Syria, and that the Syrian government needs? Any idea of how disruptive the sanctions are for traders and capitalist entrepreneurs in Syria, Iraq and Iran?

So you want us to change policy, and then just turn a blind eye toward the hate and warmongers from those regions ??? Remember that they honor religious ideologies in those regions, even if those religious ideologies tell them to kill the infidel wherever they are, and praise Allah in doing so, and kill or destroy Israel, and on and on and on it all goes. Not going to happen Jones. It ain't all just commerce and trade we are talking about, but you knew that.

 

[beagle9]

Outside investors ?? In that war torn hell hole that can barely last a year without fighting ?? I'm listening.

Actually, MANY Western countries, and Asian ones too, want to invest in Iran, but U.S. law and abusive overseas “secondary sanctions” prevent that. Even in Iraq, China was on the verge of signing contracts with the government to make huge desperately needed investments in rebuilding oil fields, when the U.S. used its influence to stop it. Syria is also still sanctioned by the U.S.A. So, when you say these countries are “war torn hells” — you are talking about what exactly? Who bombed Iraq to smithereens? Who encouraged and financed Islamic fanatics in their jihad and long civil war in Syria? Who is preventing foreign investors from coming in to rebuild? Remember how Trump said that, even in the Eastern Syrian desert, he would “Keep the oil” that the whole world knows belongs to Syria, and that the Syrian government needs? Any idea of how disruptive the sanctions are for traders and capitalist entrepreneurs in Syria, Iraq and Iran?

You’ll find ignorant duped Americans can’t accept the truth, that their government is the main culprit.

Never took you for a treasonous traitor. Is that what you are ?? Now of course we can have those that sometimes get in power to control our government, and their ideologies or ways of thinking might lead us astray, but if we strictly adhere to the Constitution, then they won't be successful in their thinking or actions. However, if someone tries to use the Constitution for corrupt political power, and the false overthrow of our government, then Houston we got a problem.