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Student Debt Relief vs. Homeless Vets...

Canon Shooter

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I found this on another forum and believe it's something which should be discussed.

It really is pretty clear that Biden doesn't really give a shit about homeless Veterans:

'President Joe Biden’s student loan cancellation plan will cost an estimated $400 billion, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

Biden last month announced a plan to forgive $10,000 in federal student loans for borrowers who earn less than $125,000 a year, or have a household income of under $250,000 if filing jointly. Low-income Pell Grant borrowers are eligible for an additional $10,000 cut.

In addition to the costs to forgive that debt, the CBO estimated the cost of Biden’s pause on student loan payments from September through December 2022 will total $20 billion.

The CBO is a nonpartisan agency that calculates the costs of federal revenue and spending plans for Congress. Its latest analysis does not include the cost of adjustments to income-driven repayment plans. Biden’s executive order lowered the cap a borrower would have to pay on their student loans to 5% of their income, down from 10%. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a think tank opposed to Biden’s student loan plan, has estimated the change will cost an additional $120 billion.'


https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/26/bide...fice-says.html


Now, on average, people with college degrees tend to make more money than those who don't have a degree. What sense is there, then, in giving these people money to pay off their loans when they need it least?

The administration does nothing to address homelessness among Veterans, though. Think about all the good which could be done for our heroes with the money which is being given to people who don't actually need it.

This administration needs to come forth with a proposal to address homelessness in America, specifically with regards to Veterans, if they have any prayer at all of being re-elected.

Biden is an embarrassment...
 

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The whole notion of picking winners and losers by raiding the Treasury is based on short term vote buying. I doubt if homeless vets vote in the near numbers that those with college loans do.
 
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And yet you cheered when Trump gave the billionaires a trillion dollars in tax relief. MAGA!

I defy you to show me a single post in which I did that.

Dipshit...
 

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And yet you cheered when Trump gave the billionaires a trillion dollars in tax relief. MAGA!
That don't make no sense if you go on my premise of vote buying. There are only 724 billionaires in the US. ;)
 

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It's about voting blocs. Young, educated, high debt former students are not very happy with their "investment". What better way to secure their vote than to use future generations debt to pay for the education decisions of those today?

Vets probably lean GOP if not strongly support them, so why help them out?
 

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That don't make no sense if you go on my premise of vote buying. There are only 724 billionaires in the US. ;)
My premise is that Republicans are not going to do a damned thing for anyone unless there is a fat billionaire/corporate payoff involved. They only complain about the cost of something on the rare occasion regular people are the main beneficiaries of some program.
 

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I found this on another forum and believe it's something which should be discussed.

It really is pretty clear that Biden doesn't really give a shit about homeless Veterans:

'President Joe Biden’s student loan cancellation plan will cost an estimated $400 billion, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

Biden last month announced a plan to forgive $10,000 in federal student loans for borrowers who earn less than $125,000 a year, or have a household income of under $250,000 if filing jointly. Low-income Pell Grant borrowers are eligible for an additional $10,000 cut.

In addition to the costs to forgive that debt, the CBO estimated the cost of Biden’s pause on student loan payments from September through December 2022 will total $20 billion.

The CBO is a nonpartisan agency that calculates the costs of federal revenue and spending plans for Congress. Its latest analysis does not include the cost of adjustments to income-driven repayment plans. Biden’s executive order lowered the cap a borrower would have to pay on their student loans to 5% of their income, down from 10%. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a think tank opposed to Biden’s student loan plan, has estimated the change will cost an additional $120 billion.'

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/26/bide...fice-says.html


Now, on average, people with college degrees tend to make more money than those who don't have a degree. What sense is there, then, in giving these people money to pay off their loans when they need it least?

The administration does nothing to address homelessness among Veterans, though. Think about all the good which could be done for our heroes with the money which is being given to people who don't actually need it.

This administration needs to come forth with a proposal to address homelessness in America, specifically with regards to Veterans, if they have any prayer at all of being re-elected.

Biden is an embarrassment...
This really isn’t an education issue. It’s a political issue, and one that addresses Biden’s prioritization of high-earning college grads over homeless vets who were willing to sacrifice for their country.

Perhaps you could consider asking one of the reasonable mods fo move it to Politics, where we could discuss Biden’s upside-down values.
 

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It's about voting blocs. Young, educated, high debt former students are not very happy with their "investment". What better way to secure their vote than to use future generations debt to pay for the education decisions of those today?

Vets probably lean GOP if not strongly support them, so why help them out?
Point taken, but what about all the lower-middle class (the biggest voting bloc) that is struggling to buy groceries under Bideninflation, and appalled that their taxes are going to give money to affluent earners? There are triple the number of voters right there.
 

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My premise is that Republicans are not going to do a damned thing for anyone unless there is a fat billionaire/corporate payoff involved. They only complain about the cost of something on the rare occasion regular people are the main beneficiaries of some program.
The whole "some program" thing never benefits the tax-payer.
 

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I found this on another forum and believe it's something which should be discussed.

It really is pretty clear that Biden doesn't really give a shit about homeless Veterans:

'President Joe Biden’s student loan cancellation plan will cost an estimated $400 billion, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

Biden last month announced a plan to forgive $10,000 in federal student loans for borrowers who earn less than $125,000 a year, or have a household income of under $250,000 if filing jointly. Low-income Pell Grant borrowers are eligible for an additional $10,000 cut.

In addition to the costs to forgive that debt, the CBO estimated the cost of Biden’s pause on student loan payments from September through December 2022 will total $20 billion.

The CBO is a nonpartisan agency that calculates the costs of federal revenue and spending plans for Congress. Its latest analysis does not include the cost of adjustments to income-driven repayment plans. Biden’s executive order lowered the cap a borrower would have to pay on their student loans to 5% of their income, down from 10%. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a think tank opposed to Biden’s student loan plan, has estimated the change will cost an additional $120 billion.'

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/26/bide...fice-says.html


Now, on average, people with college degrees tend to make more money than those who don't have a degree. What sense is there, then, in giving these people money to pay off their loans when they need it least?

The administration does nothing to address homelessness among Veterans, though. Think about all the good which could be done for our heroes with the money which is being given to people who don't actually need it.

This administration needs to come forth with a proposal to address homelessness in America, specifically with regards to Veterans, if they have any prayer at all of being re-elected.

Biden is an embarrassment...
How much does US government spend on homeless?


The National Alliance to End Homelessness calculated that, in 2021, the U.S. federal government enacted over $51 billion in funding for selected homelessness and housing programs.Mar 8, 2022

What is the Cost of Homelessness? - Father Joe's Villages​




The President’s budget includes $10 million in the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Public Health and Social Services Emergency Fund that can be used to supplement other departmental funding to assist or serve individuals who are homeless or have experienced homelessness.
https://endhomelessness.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/FY2021-Proposed-Presidents-Budget.pdf
 

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What does the US do for homeless veterans?


The Department of Veteran's Affairs (VA) offers the following special programs to help homeless Veterans: Domiciliary Residential Rehabilitation and Treatment Programs. Homeless Grant and Per Diem Program. Substance Use Residential Rehabilitation Treatment Program.

Homeless Veterans' Programs | Benefits.gov​

 

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What percentage of homeless people are veterans?


Only 7% of the general population can claim veteran status, but nearly 13% of the homeless adult population are veterans. The number of homeless veterans has decreased by about 50% since 2009, according to HUD's Annual Homelessness Assessment Report to Congress (AHAR).

from mental health programs to housing, employment training ...​

 

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You were saying about Biden not giving a shit about the homeless vets and non-vets?
 

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Where do Homeless Veterans go?


Veterans who are homeless or at imminent risk of becoming homeless can call or visit their local VA Medical Center or Community Resource and Referral Center where VA staff are ready to help. Veterans and their families may also call 1-877-4AID-VET (1-877-424-3838) to access VA services.

VA Homeless Programs - Veterans Affairs​

 

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I’ve heard estimates that the handout to affluent college graduates who agreed to repay their loans could approach $1T. That should be ALL moved toward 1) more help for vets, and 2) protecting the border from illegals.

P.S. The sexual assault deviant in my area, responsible for 12 assaults in the last few months, has been found and arrested. He was an illegal, and three-time deportee.
 

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Thirty percent of the people with student-loan debt have no college degree. Either no degree at all or an associates degree.

As a Vietnam Vet, I think the U.S. government already does quite enough for its veterans and military retirees. A homeless person is a homeless person, and to the extent that the Sovereign tries to help them it shouldn't matter whether they are a vet or not.

The student loan "forgiveness" initiative is now "officially" estimated to have a $400,000,000,000 price tag, none of which was allocated by Congress - which makes it both illegal and unconstitutional. And one might as well add, bad policy, to boot.
 

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Thirty percent of the people with student-loan debt have no college degree. Either no degree at all or an associates degree.

As a Vietnam Vet, I think the U.S. government already does quite enough for its veterans and military retirees. A homeless person is a homeless person, and to the extent that the Sovereign tries to help them it shouldn't matter whether they are a vet or not.

The student loan "forgiveness" initiative is now "officially" estimated to have a $400,000,000,000 price tag, none of which was allocated by Congress - which makes it both illegal and unconstitutional. And one might as well add, bad policy, to boot.
That one third of those with student debt didn’t complete their college education makes it worse. They enrolled in a program, didn’t have the brains or discipline or motivation to complete it, and WE should have to cover their costs?

As far as an A.A. degree, the tuition is only $4,000 or so a year. They have taken out $10,000 at most. Why can’t they just pay that back? I’m sure their car loan is double or triple that amount.
 

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That one third of those with student debt didn’t complete their college education makes it worse. They enrolled in a program, didn’t have the brains or discipline or motivation to complete it, and WE should have to cover their costs?

As far as an A.A. degree, the tuition is only $4,000 or so a year. They have taken out $10,000 at most. Why can’t they just pay that back? I’m sure their car loan is double or triple that amount.
Interesting, I agree.

August 27 2022
Lost in the bipartisan outrage over President Joe Biden’s student-loan forgiveness plan is a small detail that could help some families out of the debt morass. It’s that the erasure of $10,000 in debt (double that for Pell Grant recipients) is being offered to students whether or not they earned a degree.

Yes, I'm one that is outraged.
No, degree, no loan forgiveness.

But, I'm also a great big fan of Germany's educational system.
 

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And yet you cheered when Trump gave the billionaires a trillion dollars in tax relief. MAGA!
Stupid comparison. Please tell us why those who didn’t go to college, or worked part time to repay should be responsible for others?
 

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