Stimulus Checks 2? Or "Go Forth and DIE!"

[quarantine]

If I had to guess, I would say that our government will probably go for the latter. Which is also helped along by president Chump giving encouragement to the protesters why want to re-open the economy. And there are a lot of people suffering economic hardship. But seeing how there isn't likely to be a second round of stimulus checks, many have no choice but to go back to work. Even if it means risking their lives and spreading the coronavirus even more.

Over 80,000 people have died so far. What is the amount of genocide our country is willing to endure at the altar of capitalism as we know it. For those in power, more than likely any level of slaughter is acceptable to preserve capitalism as it was before the coronavirus.

Have y'all gotten "your" checks? I'm surprised that my wife and I haven't. She told me she filed our taxes last year, and I believed her. (-: Our daughter was not a dependent last year, and she has not received one either.

I have direct deposit with the IRS, so mine was in my account April 30th. They say those who are getting paper checks, they might all not be sent out until September of this year.

We are getting paper checks and one can go onto the site and see the progress of their check. Site said ours is now in the mail.

Get My Payment | Internal Revenue Service

The Get My Payment application is no longer available. You can still claim a missing payment and view your payment history.

www.irs.gov

That was stimulus checks 1. How many months were they supposed to last. From the people I see on the news who can't pay rent or waiting in long lines for food, I think it's time for a second round of stimulus checks. And why not. It's only money. Our national debt is already so large that it is basically an insanely large number on a tally sheet. What difference is 3 or 40 trillion more going to make.

Once we can no longer pay the interest on our debt, we lose our credit rating. When we lose our national credit rating, it's not that much different than your personal credit rating being low. Nobody will lend you money.

We don't need fucking foreign money. You know, there was a time in Germany when unemployment was rampant and people literally needed a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a loaf of bread with. The holy Hitler fixed all that.

I'm not sure you really want to make that comparison. And it's not actually true.

First it is exactly because they were not getting foreign money, that caused the Weimar Republican to be ruined.

But to say that holy Hitler fixed all that, is kind of a stretch. First, Hitler had the advantage of having tons of socialized companies.

The Weimar Republic, had nationalized dozens of industries and utilities. Of course, as with any country that goes on a nationalize spree, the results were damaging to the economy.

Hitler was able to fund the government, in part, by selling off (privatizing) those companies.

Further, Hitler gained more funding by those companies, by supplying them with slave labor. Many companies supported Hitler even into the end stages of World War 2, because they were making a killing from the Nazi supplies of free labor.

Lastly, and this is lesser known, but Hitler looted the banks.

Macroeconomics in Germany: The forgotten lesson of Hjalmar Schacht

Despite facing many of the same challenges, Germany’s current macroeconomic policy is substantially different to those of other countries, in part due to the economy legacy of Walter Eucken. This column considers the economic policy of Hjalmar Schacht, whose ‘MEFO-bills’ monetary solution ended...

voxeu.org

When the MEFO-bills came due, the government of Germany required that banks purchase the MEFO-Bills, thus bringing revenue into the government, to ironically, pay back the bills.

This as you might imagine, had the effect of looting people's savings accounts, because banks would have MEFO-Bills instead of money, and simply couldn't pay back some of the people. Of course no one complained because this was the height of the Nazi power in Germany, and no one dared risk having the Gestapo show up.

And when you combine the privatization, the slave labor, the war spending, plus sending millions of otherwise unemployed into the military.... yeah economy recovered.

However, you are actually not correct in saying the Germans did not need foreign money. Foreign money was one of the primary goals of the Nazi German government.

Hjalmar Schacht, Mefo Bills and the Restoration of the German Economy 1933-1939

So, I was doing a bit of that aimless reading one so often does on the internet and I came across the transcript from the trial of Hjalmar Schacht at Nuremberg after the war. Schacht was, of course…

fixingtheeconomists.wordpress.com

Hjalmar Schacht was the chief of the Nazi economic plan. He testified at Nuremberg, the following...

There were three main features of the “New Plan” as devised by Schacht: (1) restriction of the demand for such foreign exchange as would be used for purposes unrelated to the conspirators’ rearmament program; (2) increase of the supply of foreign exchange, as a means of paying for essential imports which could not otherwise be acquired; and (3) clearing agreements and other devices obviating the need for foreign exchange

To summarize:
1. Restrict the use of foreign exchange for Nazi purposes.
2. Increase the amount of foreign exchange for Nazi purposes.
3. Make policies that reduced the need for foreign exchange.

So they did need foreign currency, and quite a bit of it.

Foreign currency was so important, that they put in place rationing of gasoline and rubber. People couldn't buy tires for their cars, or fuel for their cars, so that the Nazis could use those foreign currency, to buy the weapons and supplies they wanted.

They tried in some cases to get agreements to exchange goods for fuel and rubber, so they could use more of the foreign currency for what they wanted.

But... the bottom line is, Hitler most certainly did use foreign currency, and a lot of it.

Regardless, I'm not sure if your solution of not needing foreign currency, by having the government loot the banks, and taking away all your savings, is the best possible solution.

And let's not forget that, ultimately those wide spread investments into the economy, had the end resulted in nearly 5 million dead, and half the country doomed to impoverishment and starvation under the Soviets.

Blah blah, blah blah blah. What the major cause of Germany's problems is that they had most of their wealth taken from them after WW I. And they had to male further reparations payments along with that. Keep in mind that WW I was just a war that everybody got sucked in to. They had war declared on them. Hitler put a stop to those reparations payments. Germany made its final WW I reparations payment in 2010.

Next, Hitler took Germany's ruined economy and turned it into the economic envy of the world. It's no wonder the "democratic" capitalists wanted him destroyed. Also, the Germans were far from slaves. They were employed, making a living and supporting their families. Hitler also thought it was important for the German people to be able to enjoy recreational activities. The German people LOVED him. As for anything said at the Nuremberg trials, it was a kangaroo court staged by the victors. You said what the victors wanted you to say, or else!

Blah blah, blah blah blah.

They did not have most of their wealth taken from them. Some was, for sure. But the rest was from bad economic policies. This is well documented.

Hitler did improve the economy, through selling off, and privatizing the stolen wealth of the country, by the previous government, which I clearly documented... and he stole the wealth of the old who had savings accounts in banks.

Further, they had many slaves, and millions were put into the military.

We can eliminate unemployment today, by instituting the draft.

As for anything said at the Nuremberg trials, it was a kangaroo court staged by the victors.

You just outed yourself as a disgusting, and stupid, evil and immoral human being.
You and your parents, and their parents, should be ashamed that you even exist. You are blight on human kind.

You have just outed yourself as a total fool. A number one sucker. Just about everything you have ever heard and continue to hear about Hitler or the Nazis is a complete lie. The worst part is that you like it that way. You might even be a jew. After WW II, the allied forces took many German ex-soldiers and held them prisoner of ex-war. 1.5 to 1.7 million of them were murdered through neglect. After facing that kind of iron fist, any defendants at the Nuremberg trials would say anything the allies wanted them to say.

So you believe the Holocaust was a lie? Also, what is wrong with being a Jew? I find them to be just like any other group.

If I was allowed to, I would tell you. And you wouldn't like the truth.

 

[Papageorgio]

If I had to guess, I would say that our government will probably go for the latter. Which is also helped along by president Chump giving encouragement to the protesters why want to re-open the economy. And there are a lot of people suffering economic hardship. But seeing how there isn't likely to be a second round of stimulus checks, many have no choice but to go back to work. Even if it means risking their lives and spreading the coronavirus even more.

Over 80,000 people have died so far. What is the amount of genocide our country is willing to endure at the altar of capitalism as we know it. For those in power, more than likely any level of slaughter is acceptable to preserve capitalism as it was before the coronavirus.

When you have capitalism, you have jobs. An economic plunge could close down a lot of business which means a lot of jobs lost if and when we are totally safe from the virus. And what happens if there is no way TO wipe out this virus.....what do we do then?

Most all people need a job to support themselves and their families. The government can't support us forever. So it's more than just saving business, saving jobs, it's also saving the country so we don't end up like Greece or Venezuela. And don't think for a minute that can't happen in our country.

Though I wish it was otherwise, what I speak of wouldn't be a forever thing. Just until the plague is crushed. Also, as I said before, bees, ants and termites have societies. And they have no need of money at all. Neither is employment an issue. Surely to some small degree we humans can do a little bit of what some basically brainless bugs can do.

You will never crush the plague. It will be with us forever, just like all the viruses before this. So, you want us to all stay home until we die? Is that your plan? I’d like to know what your answer is.

Your defeatism aside, doing a lockdown has caused the number of deaths in NY to decline. Beating the plague isn't easy. But it can be done. And done much better with more financial support from the government. But apparently is is cheaper to force people into the kill zone.

I’m being realistic. We still have the Spanish flu, the Asian flu and the Hong Kong flu, all more deadly than Covid-19, and they are still around. How long do you lockdown? Because now, a month from now, three months, six months, when you reopen, numbers will start growing. Until there is a vaccine, which could be a year or more away, the virus will grow. Countries like New Zealand, if they open their borders, their numbers will grow. Just a fact and the nature of the virus.



How long? Another month, year, 10? How much quality of life do you give up over quantity?

Are you going to answer the questions or are they to tough for you quarantine?

It is you who has the tough question to answer. Which is what human life is worth. Capitalism is an economic cult. People shouldn't die over a cult. As for myself, I would ease restrictions some. I would just require people to wear masks. In my town, they closed down the busses. I think they should restart the service. Just require people to wear masks.

Next, we got rid of polio. We got rid of small pox. We almost got rid of measels. Etc. We can get rid of coronavirus. All it takes is some effort. And a lot more financial support from the government. After all, the leading cause of domestic violence stems from money. As in the lack of it.

I don’t have any tough questions to answer.

I’m trying to figure out why you believe buses should operate with only masks on, the air in those buses is recirculated. If you allow buses, why not normal everyday businesses and wear a mask while out?

So my question to you is how much longer do you want to deny people the right to see relatives and friends? How many more are you will to let get abused in domestic violence cases, how many more suicides are you willing to accept, how much more to you want to wreck an already fragile economy?

I never thought the busses should have been shut down to begin with. Not everybody owns a car. It's difficult to get necessities if you have no way to get them. I always thought masks were good enough. Next, any timeline isn't up to me. It's up to the coronavirus. Also, I'm not keeping anybody from seeing anybody. I got a ride from my brother a few days ago. I wore a mask. He is one of those unfortunate people who don't think masks are necessary.

As for the bad things you bring up, that's the government's doing. If people don't have money, give them money. If they don't have a job, give them a job. If they don't have a car to get back and forth to work, give them a car. It doesn't have to be a new one.

If the buses are okay with masks on, considering the air you breathe on a bus is recirculated and contains more viruses and bacteria than most places, then why not all businesses with a mask on?

As far as your second statement, I just want the money and I don’t want to work, just give me a new house, a new car, my food, my healthcare, my gas for my new car, my electricity, my new 65” tv, my new cellphone, my new clothes and I can sit at home or travel, which reminds my they need to give my new Tiffin motorhome. Why would anyone need to work if you are handing out money? We could all sit around and collect the government money.

 

[Andylusion]

If I had to guess, I would say that our government will probably go for the latter. Which is also helped along by president Chump giving encouragement to the protesters why want to re-open the economy. And there are a lot of people suffering economic hardship. But seeing how there isn't likely to be a second round of stimulus checks, many have no choice but to go back to work. Even if it means risking their lives and spreading the coronavirus even more.

Over 80,000 people have died so far. What is the amount of genocide our country is willing to endure at the altar of capitalism as we know it. For those in power, more than likely any level of slaughter is acceptable to preserve capitalism as it was before the coronavirus.

When you have capitalism, you have jobs. An economic plunge could close down a lot of business which means a lot of jobs lost if and when we are totally safe from the virus. And what happens if there is no way TO wipe out this virus.....what do we do then?

Most all people need a job to support themselves and their families. The government can't support us forever. So it's more than just saving business, saving jobs, it's also saving the country so we don't end up like Greece or Venezuela. And don't think for a minute that can't happen in our country.

Though I wish it was otherwise, what I speak of wouldn't be a forever thing. Just until the plague is crushed. Also, as I said before, bees, ants and termites have societies. And they have no need of money at all. Neither is employment an issue. Surely to some small degree we humans can do a little bit of what some basically brainless bugs can do.

You will never crush the plague. It will be with us forever, just like all the viruses before this. So, you want us to all stay home until we die? Is that your plan? I’d like to know what your answer is.

Your defeatism aside, doing a lockdown has caused the number of deaths in NY to decline. Beating the plague isn't easy. But it can be done. And done much better with more financial support from the government. But apparently is is cheaper to force people into the kill zone.

States and countries that had little or no lockdown have done pretty well. There is no right or wrong way in all this. This virus is impossible to escape I"m afraid. If you feel you need to isolate yourself from public, then do so. I am. If you don't fear the virus and think you'll do just fine, it's not my business to stop you.

I have never heard of any country with no lock down. From what I hear, I think Sweden has a limited one. But that isn't the point. All the experts agree that without taking steps to contain the virus, things will be much worse. And there is likely to be a second wave. But as far as president Chump seems to feel, it doesn't matter how many tens of thousands, possibly millions die. He is against any future shutdown.

That's because President Trump understands we can totally put ourselves in a depression if we continue this too long. It's called digging a hole so deep that you can't get out of it yourself.

We are already in a hole we can't get ourselves out of. At least, not with guillotines for the wealthy.

Wrong. We didn't do that much damage to the economy......yet. Yes, thousands of businesses had to close up permanently, but when the economy gets going again, others will take their place. But we can't expect that to happen if we wait until next year. More and more will close up permanently, and eventually nobody will be able to start back up again.

Exactly. The economy is only damaged, as long as we keep the economy in a hindered state.

Many of these businesses will reopen, if we only allow it. The longer this goes on, the worse it will get.

But this guy doesn't care. This idiot thinks the nuremberg trials were faked. He could care less how many people die. Total moron.

 

[WEATHER53]

Socialism did in fact fail right off the bat as soon as the Pilgrims and half the population died due to it. Bad way back then, bad since then, bad now, bad forever. Government is not mommy for “grown ups” libbies

 

[Andylusion]

If I had to guess, I would say that our government will probably go for the latter. Which is also helped along by president Chump giving encouragement to the protesters why want to re-open the economy. And there are a lot of people suffering economic hardship. But seeing how there isn't likely to be a second round of stimulus checks, many have no choice but to go back to work. Even if it means risking their lives and spreading the coronavirus even more.

Over 80,000 people have died so far. What is the amount of genocide our country is willing to endure at the altar of capitalism as we know it. For those in power, more than likely any level of slaughter is acceptable to preserve capitalism as it was before the coronavirus.

Have y'all gotten "your" checks? I'm surprised that my wife and I haven't. She told me she filed our taxes last year, and I believed her. (-: Our daughter was not a dependent last year, and she has not received one either.

I have direct deposit with the IRS, so mine was in my account April 30th. They say those who are getting paper checks, they might all not be sent out until September of this year.

We are getting paper checks and one can go onto the site and see the progress of their check. Site said ours is now in the mail.

Get My Payment | Internal Revenue Service

The Get My Payment application is no longer available. You can still claim a missing payment and view your payment history.

www.irs.gov

That was stimulus checks 1. How many months were they supposed to last. From the people I see on the news who can't pay rent or waiting in long lines for food, I think it's time for a second round of stimulus checks. And why not. It's only money. Our national debt is already so large that it is basically an insanely large number on a tally sheet. What difference is 3 or 40 trillion more going to make.

Once we can no longer pay the interest on our debt, we lose our credit rating. When we lose our national credit rating, it's not that much different than your personal credit rating being low. Nobody will lend you money.

We don't need fucking foreign money. You know, there was a time in Germany when unemployment was rampant and people literally needed a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a loaf of bread with. The holy Hitler fixed all that.

I'm not sure you really want to make that comparison. And it's not actually true.

First it is exactly because they were not getting foreign money, that caused the Weimar Republican to be ruined.

But to say that holy Hitler fixed all that, is kind of a stretch. First, Hitler had the advantage of having tons of socialized companies.

The Weimar Republic, had nationalized dozens of industries and utilities. Of course, as with any country that goes on a nationalize spree, the results were damaging to the economy.

Hitler was able to fund the government, in part, by selling off (privatizing) those companies.

Further, Hitler gained more funding by those companies, by supplying them with slave labor. Many companies supported Hitler even into the end stages of World War 2, because they were making a killing from the Nazi supplies of free labor.

Lastly, and this is lesser known, but Hitler looted the banks.

Macroeconomics in Germany: The forgotten lesson of Hjalmar Schacht

Despite facing many of the same challenges, Germany’s current macroeconomic policy is substantially different to those of other countries, in part due to the economy legacy of Walter Eucken. This column considers the economic policy of Hjalmar Schacht, whose ‘MEFO-bills’ monetary solution ended...

voxeu.org

When the MEFO-bills came due, the government of Germany required that banks purchase the MEFO-Bills, thus bringing revenue into the government, to ironically, pay back the bills.

This as you might imagine, had the effect of looting people's savings accounts, because banks would have MEFO-Bills instead of money, and simply couldn't pay back some of the people. Of course no one complained because this was the height of the Nazi power in Germany, and no one dared risk having the Gestapo show up.

And when you combine the privatization, the slave labor, the war spending, plus sending millions of otherwise unemployed into the military.... yeah economy recovered.

However, you are actually not correct in saying the Germans did not need foreign money. Foreign money was one of the primary goals of the Nazi German government.

Hjalmar Schacht, Mefo Bills and the Restoration of the German Economy 1933-1939

So, I was doing a bit of that aimless reading one so often does on the internet and I came across the transcript from the trial of Hjalmar Schacht at Nuremberg after the war. Schacht was, of course…

fixingtheeconomists.wordpress.com

Hjalmar Schacht was the chief of the Nazi economic plan. He testified at Nuremberg, the following...

There were three main features of the “New Plan” as devised by Schacht: (1) restriction of the demand for such foreign exchange as would be used for purposes unrelated to the conspirators’ rearmament program; (2) increase of the supply of foreign exchange, as a means of paying for essential imports which could not otherwise be acquired; and (3) clearing agreements and other devices obviating the need for foreign exchange

To summarize:
1. Restrict the use of foreign exchange for Nazi purposes.
2. Increase the amount of foreign exchange for Nazi purposes.
3. Make policies that reduced the need for foreign exchange.

So they did need foreign currency, and quite a bit of it.

Foreign currency was so important, that they put in place rationing of gasoline and rubber. People couldn't buy tires for their cars, or fuel for their cars, so that the Nazis could use those foreign currency, to buy the weapons and supplies they wanted.

They tried in some cases to get agreements to exchange goods for fuel and rubber, so they could use more of the foreign currency for what they wanted.

But... the bottom line is, Hitler most certainly did use foreign currency, and a lot of it.

Regardless, I'm not sure if your solution of not needing foreign currency, by having the government loot the banks, and taking away all your savings, is the best possible solution.

And let's not forget that, ultimately those wide spread investments into the economy, had the end resulted in nearly 5 million dead, and half the country doomed to impoverishment and starvation under the Soviets.

Blah blah, blah blah blah. What the major cause of Germany's problems is that they had most of their wealth taken from them after WW I. And they had to male further reparations payments along with that. Keep in mind that WW I was just a war that everybody got sucked in to. They had war declared on them. Hitler put a stop to those reparations payments. Germany made its final WW I reparations payment in 2010.

Next, Hitler took Germany's ruined economy and turned it into the economic envy of the world. It's no wonder the "democratic" capitalists wanted him destroyed. Also, the Germans were far from slaves. They were employed, making a living and supporting their families. Hitler also thought it was important for the German people to be able to enjoy recreational activities. The German people LOVED him. As for anything said at the Nuremberg trials, it was a kangaroo court staged by the victors. You said what the victors wanted you to say, or else!

Blah blah, blah blah blah.

They did not have most of their wealth taken from them. Some was, for sure. But the rest was from bad economic policies. This is well documented.

Hitler did improve the economy, through selling off, and privatizing the stolen wealth of the country, by the previous government, which I clearly documented... and he stole the wealth of the old who had savings accounts in banks.

Further, they had many slaves, and millions were put into the military.

We can eliminate unemployment today, by instituting the draft.

As for anything said at the Nuremberg trials, it was a kangaroo court staged by the victors.

You just outed yourself as a disgusting, and stupid, evil and immoral human being.
You and your parents, and their parents, should be ashamed that you even exist. You are blight on human kind.

You have just outed yourself as a total fool. A number one sucker. Just about everything you have ever heard and continue to hear about Hitler or the Nazis is a complete lie. The worst part is that you like it that way. You might even be a jew. After WW II, the allied forces took many German ex-soldiers and held them prisoner of ex-war. 1.5 to 1.7 million of them were murdered through neglect. After facing that kind of iron fist, any defendants at the Nuremberg trials would say anything the allies wanted them to say.

So you believe the Holocaust was a lie? Also, what is wrong with being a Jew? I find them to be just like any other group.

If I was allowed to, I would tell you. And you wouldn't like the truth.

Dude, you wouldn't know the truth, if I beat you senseless with a history book, and plastered the chapters across your walls and ceiling. Total fool.

 

[Papageorgio]

If I had to guess, I would say that our government will probably go for the latter. Which is also helped along by president Chump giving encouragement to the protesters why want to re-open the economy. And there are a lot of people suffering economic hardship. But seeing how there isn't likely to be a second round of stimulus checks, many have no choice but to go back to work. Even if it means risking their lives and spreading the coronavirus even more.

Over 80,000 people have died so far. What is the amount of genocide our country is willing to endure at the altar of capitalism as we know it. For those in power, more than likely any level of slaughter is acceptable to preserve capitalism as it was before the coronavirus.

Have y'all gotten "your" checks? I'm surprised that my wife and I haven't. She told me she filed our taxes last year, and I believed her. (-: Our daughter was not a dependent last year, and she has not received one either.

I have direct deposit with the IRS, so mine was in my account April 30th. They say those who are getting paper checks, they might all not be sent out until September of this year.

We are getting paper checks and one can go onto the site and see the progress of their check. Site said ours is now in the mail.

Get My Payment | Internal Revenue Service

The Get My Payment application is no longer available. You can still claim a missing payment and view your payment history.

www.irs.gov

That was stimulus checks 1. How many months were they supposed to last. From the people I see on the news who can't pay rent or waiting in long lines for food, I think it's time for a second round of stimulus checks. And why not. It's only money. Our national debt is already so large that it is basically an insanely large number on a tally sheet. What difference is 3 or 40 trillion more going to make.

Once we can no longer pay the interest on our debt, we lose our credit rating. When we lose our national credit rating, it's not that much different than your personal credit rating being low. Nobody will lend you money.

We don't need fucking foreign money. You know, there was a time in Germany when unemployment was rampant and people literally needed a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a loaf of bread with. The holy Hitler fixed all that.

I'm not sure you really want to make that comparison. And it's not actually true.

First it is exactly because they were not getting foreign money, that caused the Weimar Republican to be ruined.

But to say that holy Hitler fixed all that, is kind of a stretch. First, Hitler had the advantage of having tons of socialized companies.

The Weimar Republic, had nationalized dozens of industries and utilities. Of course, as with any country that goes on a nationalize spree, the results were damaging to the economy.

Hitler was able to fund the government, in part, by selling off (privatizing) those companies.

Further, Hitler gained more funding by those companies, by supplying them with slave labor. Many companies supported Hitler even into the end stages of World War 2, because they were making a killing from the Nazi supplies of free labor.

Lastly, and this is lesser known, but Hitler looted the banks.

Macroeconomics in Germany: The forgotten lesson of Hjalmar Schacht

Despite facing many of the same challenges, Germany’s current macroeconomic policy is substantially different to those of other countries, in part due to the economy legacy of Walter Eucken. This column considers the economic policy of Hjalmar Schacht, whose ‘MEFO-bills’ monetary solution ended...

voxeu.org

When the MEFO-bills came due, the government of Germany required that banks purchase the MEFO-Bills, thus bringing revenue into the government, to ironically, pay back the bills.

This as you might imagine, had the effect of looting people's savings accounts, because banks would have MEFO-Bills instead of money, and simply couldn't pay back some of the people. Of course no one complained because this was the height of the Nazi power in Germany, and no one dared risk having the Gestapo show up.

And when you combine the privatization, the slave labor, the war spending, plus sending millions of otherwise unemployed into the military.... yeah economy recovered.

However, you are actually not correct in saying the Germans did not need foreign money. Foreign money was one of the primary goals of the Nazi German government.

Hjalmar Schacht, Mefo Bills and the Restoration of the German Economy 1933-1939

So, I was doing a bit of that aimless reading one so often does on the internet and I came across the transcript from the trial of Hjalmar Schacht at Nuremberg after the war. Schacht was, of course…

fixingtheeconomists.wordpress.com

Hjalmar Schacht was the chief of the Nazi economic plan. He testified at Nuremberg, the following...

There were three main features of the “New Plan” as devised by Schacht: (1) restriction of the demand for such foreign exchange as would be used for purposes unrelated to the conspirators’ rearmament program; (2) increase of the supply of foreign exchange, as a means of paying for essential imports which could not otherwise be acquired; and (3) clearing agreements and other devices obviating the need for foreign exchange

To summarize:
1. Restrict the use of foreign exchange for Nazi purposes.
2. Increase the amount of foreign exchange for Nazi purposes.
3. Make policies that reduced the need for foreign exchange.

So they did need foreign currency, and quite a bit of it.

Foreign currency was so important, that they put in place rationing of gasoline and rubber. People couldn't buy tires for their cars, or fuel for their cars, so that the Nazis could use those foreign currency, to buy the weapons and supplies they wanted.

They tried in some cases to get agreements to exchange goods for fuel and rubber, so they could use more of the foreign currency for what they wanted.

But... the bottom line is, Hitler most certainly did use foreign currency, and a lot of it.

Regardless, I'm not sure if your solution of not needing foreign currency, by having the government loot the banks, and taking away all your savings, is the best possible solution.

And let's not forget that, ultimately those wide spread investments into the economy, had the end resulted in nearly 5 million dead, and half the country doomed to impoverishment and starvation under the Soviets.

Blah blah, blah blah blah. What the major cause of Germany's problems is that they had most of their wealth taken from them after WW I. And they had to male further reparations payments along with that. Keep in mind that WW I was just a war that everybody got sucked in to. They had war declared on them. Hitler put a stop to those reparations payments. Germany made its final WW I reparations payment in 2010.

Next, Hitler took Germany's ruined economy and turned it into the economic envy of the world. It's no wonder the "democratic" capitalists wanted him destroyed. Also, the Germans were far from slaves. They were employed, making a living and supporting their families. Hitler also thought it was important for the German people to be able to enjoy recreational activities. The German people LOVED him. As for anything said at the Nuremberg trials, it was a kangaroo court staged by the victors. You said what the victors wanted you to say, or else!

Blah blah, blah blah blah.

They did not have most of their wealth taken from them. Some was, for sure. But the rest was from bad economic policies. This is well documented.

Hitler did improve the economy, through selling off, and privatizing the stolen wealth of the country, by the previous government, which I clearly documented... and he stole the wealth of the old who had savings accounts in banks.

Further, they had many slaves, and millions were put into the military.

We can eliminate unemployment today, by instituting the draft.

As for anything said at the Nuremberg trials, it was a kangaroo court staged by the victors.

You just outed yourself as a disgusting, and stupid, evil and immoral human being.
You and your parents, and their parents, should be ashamed that you even exist. You are blight on human kind.

You have just outed yourself as a total fool. A number one sucker. Just about everything you have ever heard and continue to hear about Hitler or the Nazis is a complete lie. The worst part is that you like it that way. You might even be a jew. After WW II, the allied forces took many German ex-soldiers and held them prisoner of ex-war. 1.5 to 1.7 million of them were murdered through neglect. After facing that kind of iron fist, any defendants at the Nuremberg trials would say anything the allies wanted them to say.

After WW II, the allied forces took many German ex-soldiers and held them prisoner of ex-war. 1.5 to 1.7 million of them were murdered through neglect.

The only people who sucked worse than the Nazis were the Commies.

Stalin made Hitler look like Mary Poppins. But that isn't the point. The point around here is what has more value. Human life or the "economy."

No, that's not the point. Because people are dying right now, due to your hatred of the economy.

Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say

"What I have seen recently, I have never seen before. I have never seen so much intentional injury."

abc7news.com

WALNUT CREEK, Calif. (KGO) -- Doctors at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek say they have seen more deaths by suicide during this quarantine period than deaths from the COVID-19 virus.

It's not a human life verses the economy, it's human life verse more human life.
And you are killing people. Listen.... YOU are killing people. YOU are. With your evil false position on this, YOU are killing people.

Why would anybody kill themselves over the coronavirus lock down. There is no reason to. Other than the one the government is providing. Which is people without food and money. If you shove people back into the workforce as if there is no plague going on, you will see far more people die from the coronavirus than suicide. Also, got to any hospital in NY and ask any of those doctors what is killing the most people. Coronavirus or suicide.

Then why are suicides way up since the lockdown?

 

[quarantine]

If I had to guess, I would say that our government will probably go for the latter. Which is also helped along by president Chump giving encouragement to the protesters why want to re-open the economy. And there are a lot of people suffering economic hardship. But seeing how there isn't likely to be a second round of stimulus checks, many have no choice but to go back to work. Even if it means risking their lives and spreading the coronavirus even more.

Over 80,000 people have died so far. What is the amount of genocide our country is willing to endure at the altar of capitalism as we know it. For those in power, more than likely any level of slaughter is acceptable to preserve capitalism as it was before the coronavirus.

When you have capitalism, you have jobs. An economic plunge could close down a lot of business which means a lot of jobs lost if and when we are totally safe from the virus. And what happens if there is no way TO wipe out this virus.....what do we do then?

Most all people need a job to support themselves and their families. The government can't support us forever. So it's more than just saving business, saving jobs, it's also saving the country so we don't end up like Greece or Venezuela. And don't think for a minute that can't happen in our country.

Though I wish it was otherwise, what I speak of wouldn't be a forever thing. Just until the plague is crushed. Also, as I said before, bees, ants and termites have societies. And they have no need of money at all. Neither is employment an issue. Surely to some small degree we humans can do a little bit of what some basically brainless bugs can do.

You will never crush the plague. It will be with us forever, just like all the viruses before this. So, you want us to all stay home until we die? Is that your plan? I’d like to know what your answer is.

Your defeatism aside, doing a lockdown has caused the number of deaths in NY to decline. Beating the plague isn't easy. But it can be done. And done much better with more financial support from the government. But apparently is is cheaper to force people into the kill zone.

States and countries that had little or no lockdown have done pretty well. There is no right or wrong way in all this. This virus is impossible to escape I"m afraid. If you feel you need to isolate yourself from public, then do so. I am. If you don't fear the virus and think you'll do just fine, it's not my business to stop you.

I have never heard of any country with no lock down. From what I hear, I think Sweden has a limited one. But that isn't the point. All the experts agree that without taking steps to contain the virus, things will be much worse. And there is likely to be a second wave. But as far as president Chump seems to feel, it doesn't matter how many tens of thousands, possibly millions die. He is against any future shutdown.

That's because President Trump understands we can totally put ourselves in a depression if we continue this too long. It's called digging a hole so deep that you can't get out of it yourself.

We are already in a hole we can't get ourselves out of. At least, not with guillotines for the wealthy.

Wrong. We didn't do that much damage to the economy......yet. Yes, thousands of businesses had to close up permanently, but when the economy gets going again, others will take their place. But we can't expect that to happen if we wait until next year. More and more will close up permanently, and eventually nobody will be able to start back up again.

Only money would keep any business from reopening. And money is an illusion. That is the whole point of a fiat currency. It is or isn't whatever the government says it is. Unfortunately, when you say government here, what you are really saying is banks. There is a reason why 1% of the population owns 95% of the wealth.

 

[Andylusion]

If I had to guess, I would say that our government will probably go for the latter. Which is also helped along by president Chump giving encouragement to the protesters why want to re-open the economy. And there are a lot of people suffering economic hardship. But seeing how there isn't likely to be a second round of stimulus checks, many have no choice but to go back to work. Even if it means risking their lives and spreading the coronavirus even more.

Over 80,000 people have died so far. What is the amount of genocide our country is willing to endure at the altar of capitalism as we know it. For those in power, more than likely any level of slaughter is acceptable to preserve capitalism as it was before the coronavirus.

Have y'all gotten "your" checks? I'm surprised that my wife and I haven't. She told me she filed our taxes last year, and I believed her. (-: Our daughter was not a dependent last year, and she has not received one either.

I have direct deposit with the IRS, so mine was in my account April 30th. They say those who are getting paper checks, they might all not be sent out until September of this year.

We are getting paper checks and one can go onto the site and see the progress of their check. Site said ours is now in the mail.

Get My Payment | Internal Revenue Service

The Get My Payment application is no longer available. You can still claim a missing payment and view your payment history.

www.irs.gov

That was stimulus checks 1. How many months were they supposed to last. From the people I see on the news who can't pay rent or waiting in long lines for food, I think it's time for a second round of stimulus checks. And why not. It's only money. Our national debt is already so large that it is basically an insanely large number on a tally sheet. What difference is 3 or 40 trillion more going to make.

Once we can no longer pay the interest on our debt, we lose our credit rating. When we lose our national credit rating, it's not that much different than your personal credit rating being low. Nobody will lend you money.

We don't need fucking foreign money. You know, there was a time in Germany when unemployment was rampant and people literally needed a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a loaf of bread with. The holy Hitler fixed all that.

I'm not sure you really want to make that comparison. And it's not actually true.

First it is exactly because they were not getting foreign money, that caused the Weimar Republican to be ruined.

But to say that holy Hitler fixed all that, is kind of a stretch. First, Hitler had the advantage of having tons of socialized companies.

The Weimar Republic, had nationalized dozens of industries and utilities. Of course, as with any country that goes on a nationalize spree, the results were damaging to the economy.

Hitler was able to fund the government, in part, by selling off (privatizing) those companies.

Further, Hitler gained more funding by those companies, by supplying them with slave labor. Many companies supported Hitler even into the end stages of World War 2, because they were making a killing from the Nazi supplies of free labor.

Lastly, and this is lesser known, but Hitler looted the banks.

Macroeconomics in Germany: The forgotten lesson of Hjalmar Schacht

Despite facing many of the same challenges, Germany’s current macroeconomic policy is substantially different to those of other countries, in part due to the economy legacy of Walter Eucken. This column considers the economic policy of Hjalmar Schacht, whose ‘MEFO-bills’ monetary solution ended...

voxeu.org

When the MEFO-bills came due, the government of Germany required that banks purchase the MEFO-Bills, thus bringing revenue into the government, to ironically, pay back the bills.

This as you might imagine, had the effect of looting people's savings accounts, because banks would have MEFO-Bills instead of money, and simply couldn't pay back some of the people. Of course no one complained because this was the height of the Nazi power in Germany, and no one dared risk having the Gestapo show up.

And when you combine the privatization, the slave labor, the war spending, plus sending millions of otherwise unemployed into the military.... yeah economy recovered.

However, you are actually not correct in saying the Germans did not need foreign money. Foreign money was one of the primary goals of the Nazi German government.

Hjalmar Schacht, Mefo Bills and the Restoration of the German Economy 1933-1939

So, I was doing a bit of that aimless reading one so often does on the internet and I came across the transcript from the trial of Hjalmar Schacht at Nuremberg after the war. Schacht was, of course…

fixingtheeconomists.wordpress.com

Hjalmar Schacht was the chief of the Nazi economic plan. He testified at Nuremberg, the following...

There were three main features of the “New Plan” as devised by Schacht: (1) restriction of the demand for such foreign exchange as would be used for purposes unrelated to the conspirators’ rearmament program; (2) increase of the supply of foreign exchange, as a means of paying for essential imports which could not otherwise be acquired; and (3) clearing agreements and other devices obviating the need for foreign exchange

To summarize:
1. Restrict the use of foreign exchange for Nazi purposes.
2. Increase the amount of foreign exchange for Nazi purposes.
3. Make policies that reduced the need for foreign exchange.

So they did need foreign currency, and quite a bit of it.

Foreign currency was so important, that they put in place rationing of gasoline and rubber. People couldn't buy tires for their cars, or fuel for their cars, so that the Nazis could use those foreign currency, to buy the weapons and supplies they wanted.

They tried in some cases to get agreements to exchange goods for fuel and rubber, so they could use more of the foreign currency for what they wanted.

But... the bottom line is, Hitler most certainly did use foreign currency, and a lot of it.

Regardless, I'm not sure if your solution of not needing foreign currency, by having the government loot the banks, and taking away all your savings, is the best possible solution.

And let's not forget that, ultimately those wide spread investments into the economy, had the end resulted in nearly 5 million dead, and half the country doomed to impoverishment and starvation under the Soviets.

Blah blah, blah blah blah. What the major cause of Germany's problems is that they had most of their wealth taken from them after WW I. And they had to male further reparations payments along with that. Keep in mind that WW I was just a war that everybody got sucked in to. They had war declared on them. Hitler put a stop to those reparations payments. Germany made its final WW I reparations payment in 2010.

Next, Hitler took Germany's ruined economy and turned it into the economic envy of the world. It's no wonder the "democratic" capitalists wanted him destroyed. Also, the Germans were far from slaves. They were employed, making a living and supporting their families. Hitler also thought it was important for the German people to be able to enjoy recreational activities. The German people LOVED him. As for anything said at the Nuremberg trials, it was a kangaroo court staged by the victors. You said what the victors wanted you to say, or else!

Blah blah, blah blah blah.

They did not have most of their wealth taken from them. Some was, for sure. But the rest was from bad economic policies. This is well documented.

Hitler did improve the economy, through selling off, and privatizing the stolen wealth of the country, by the previous government, which I clearly documented... and he stole the wealth of the old who had savings accounts in banks.

Further, they had many slaves, and millions were put into the military.

We can eliminate unemployment today, by instituting the draft.

As for anything said at the Nuremberg trials, it was a kangaroo court staged by the victors.

You just outed yourself as a disgusting, and stupid, evil and immoral human being.
You and your parents, and their parents, should be ashamed that you even exist. You are blight on human kind.

You have just outed yourself as a total fool. A number one sucker. Just about everything you have ever heard and continue to hear about Hitler or the Nazis is a complete lie. The worst part is that you like it that way. You might even be a jew. After WW II, the allied forces took many German ex-soldiers and held them prisoner of ex-war. 1.5 to 1.7 million of them were murdered through neglect. After facing that kind of iron fist, any defendants at the Nuremberg trials would say anything the allies wanted them to say.

After WW II, the allied forces took many German ex-soldiers and held them prisoner of ex-war. 1.5 to 1.7 million of them were murdered through neglect.

The only people who sucked worse than the Nazis were the Commies.

Stalin made Hitler look like Mary Poppins. But that isn't the point. The point around here is what has more value. Human life or the "economy."

No, that's not the point. Because people are dying right now, due to your hatred of the economy.

Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say

"What I have seen recently, I have never seen before. I have never seen so much intentional injury."

abc7news.com

WALNUT CREEK, Calif. (KGO) -- Doctors at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek say they have seen more deaths by suicide during this quarantine period than deaths from the COVID-19 virus.

It's not a human life verses the economy, it's human life verse more human life.
And you are killing people. Listen.... YOU are killing people. YOU are. With your evil false position on this, YOU are killing people.

Why would anybody kill themselves over the coronavirus lock down. There is no reason to. Other than the one the government is providing. Which is people without food and money. If you shove people back into the workforce as if there is no plague going on, you will see far more people die from the coronavirus than suicide. Also, got to any hospital in NY and ask any of those doctors what is killing the most people. Coronavirus or suicide.

First, whether your tiny little brain can figure out why or not, doesn't matter. The medical professionals are seeing the suicides come in.

That's not opinion. That's fact.

Second, I'm amazed at how little you seem to know. Work is part of what gives people purpose and dignity. In fact in the treatment of depression, many therapists will specifically encourage people to get a job, because they know that working a full time job, does actually bring emotional stability for people.

Third, isolation is the worst thing for people. Yet again, I'm amazed how uneducated you are. We tried isolating people in prison. Back in the 60s or 70s, we would toss people in isolation in prison, for months. They would lose their minds. Human beings are social animals. We need direct person to person interaction. If we don't get that, we end up having mental health problems.

Good grief, I feel like I'm educating a toddler.

 

[Andylusion]

If I had to guess, I would say that our government will probably go for the latter. Which is also helped along by president Chump giving encouragement to the protesters why want to re-open the economy. And there are a lot of people suffering economic hardship. But seeing how there isn't likely to be a second round of stimulus checks, many have no choice but to go back to work. Even if it means risking their lives and spreading the coronavirus even more.

Over 80,000 people have died so far. What is the amount of genocide our country is willing to endure at the altar of capitalism as we know it. For those in power, more than likely any level of slaughter is acceptable to preserve capitalism as it was before the coronavirus.

When you have capitalism, you have jobs. An economic plunge could close down a lot of business which means a lot of jobs lost if and when we are totally safe from the virus. And what happens if there is no way TO wipe out this virus.....what do we do then?

Most all people need a job to support themselves and their families. The government can't support us forever. So it's more than just saving business, saving jobs, it's also saving the country so we don't end up like Greece or Venezuela. And don't think for a minute that can't happen in our country.

Though I wish it was otherwise, what I speak of wouldn't be a forever thing. Just until the plague is crushed. Also, as I said before, bees, ants and termites have societies. And they have no need of money at all. Neither is employment an issue. Surely to some small degree we humans can do a little bit of what some basically brainless bugs can do.

You will never crush the plague. It will be with us forever, just like all the viruses before this. So, you want us to all stay home until we die? Is that your plan? I’d like to know what your answer is.

Your defeatism aside, doing a lockdown has caused the number of deaths in NY to decline. Beating the plague isn't easy. But it can be done. And done much better with more financial support from the government. But apparently is is cheaper to force people into the kill zone.

States and countries that had little or no lockdown have done pretty well. There is no right or wrong way in all this. This virus is impossible to escape I"m afraid. If you feel you need to isolate yourself from public, then do so. I am. If you don't fear the virus and think you'll do just fine, it's not my business to stop you.

I have never heard of any country with no lock down. From what I hear, I think Sweden has a limited one. But that isn't the point. All the experts agree that without taking steps to contain the virus, things will be much worse. And there is likely to be a second wave. But as far as president Chump seems to feel, it doesn't matter how many tens of thousands, possibly millions die. He is against any future shutdown.

That's because President Trump understands we can totally put ourselves in a depression if we continue this too long. It's called digging a hole so deep that you can't get out of it yourself.

We are already in a hole we can't get ourselves out of. At least, not with guillotines for the wealthy.

Wrong. We didn't do that much damage to the economy......yet. Yes, thousands of businesses had to close up permanently, but when the economy gets going again, others will take their place. But we can't expect that to happen if we wait until next year. More and more will close up permanently, and eventually nobody will be able to start back up again.

Only money would keep any business from reopening. And money is an illusion. That is the whole point of a fiat currency. It is or isn't whatever the government says it is. Unfortunately, when you say government here, what you are really saying is banks. There is a reason why 1% of the population owns 95% of the wealth.

Yeah, money is an illusion.... I was able to buy my condo with illusions, and my car with illusions, fund my 401k with illusions... heck paid my taxes with an illusion. Bought a pizza yesterday with an illusion.

You know I think your mind right now, is an illusion.

 

[Papageorgio]

If I had to guess, I would say that our government will probably go for the latter. Which is also helped along by president Chump giving encouragement to the protesters why want to re-open the economy. And there are a lot of people suffering economic hardship. But seeing how there isn't likely to be a second round of stimulus checks, many have no choice but to go back to work. Even if it means risking their lives and spreading the coronavirus even more.

Over 80,000 people have died so far. What is the amount of genocide our country is willing to endure at the altar of capitalism as we know it. For those in power, more than likely any level of slaughter is acceptable to preserve capitalism as it was before the coronavirus.

Have y'all gotten "your" checks? I'm surprised that my wife and I haven't. She told me she filed our taxes last year, and I believed her. (-: Our daughter was not a dependent last year, and she has not received one either.

I have direct deposit with the IRS, so mine was in my account April 30th. They say those who are getting paper checks, they might all not be sent out until September of this year.

We are getting paper checks and one can go onto the site and see the progress of their check. Site said ours is now in the mail.

Get My Payment | Internal Revenue Service

The Get My Payment application is no longer available. You can still claim a missing payment and view your payment history.

www.irs.gov

That was stimulus checks 1. How many months were they supposed to last. From the people I see on the news who can't pay rent or waiting in long lines for food, I think it's time for a second round of stimulus checks. And why not. It's only money. Our national debt is already so large that it is basically an insanely large number on a tally sheet. What difference is 3 or 40 trillion more going to make.

Once we can no longer pay the interest on our debt, we lose our credit rating. When we lose our national credit rating, it's not that much different than your personal credit rating being low. Nobody will lend you money.

We don't need fucking foreign money. You know, there was a time in Germany when unemployment was rampant and people literally needed a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a loaf of bread with. The holy Hitler fixed all that.

I'm not sure you really want to make that comparison. And it's not actually true.

First it is exactly because they were not getting foreign money, that caused the Weimar Republican to be ruined.

But to say that holy Hitler fixed all that, is kind of a stretch. First, Hitler had the advantage of having tons of socialized companies.

The Weimar Republic, had nationalized dozens of industries and utilities. Of course, as with any country that goes on a nationalize spree, the results were damaging to the economy.

Hitler was able to fund the government, in part, by selling off (privatizing) those companies.

Further, Hitler gained more funding by those companies, by supplying them with slave labor. Many companies supported Hitler even into the end stages of World War 2, because they were making a killing from the Nazi supplies of free labor.

Lastly, and this is lesser known, but Hitler looted the banks.

Macroeconomics in Germany: The forgotten lesson of Hjalmar Schacht

Despite facing many of the same challenges, Germany’s current macroeconomic policy is substantially different to those of other countries, in part due to the economy legacy of Walter Eucken. This column considers the economic policy of Hjalmar Schacht, whose ‘MEFO-bills’ monetary solution ended...

voxeu.org

When the MEFO-bills came due, the government of Germany required that banks purchase the MEFO-Bills, thus bringing revenue into the government, to ironically, pay back the bills.

This as you might imagine, had the effect of looting people's savings accounts, because banks would have MEFO-Bills instead of money, and simply couldn't pay back some of the people. Of course no one complained because this was the height of the Nazi power in Germany, and no one dared risk having the Gestapo show up.

And when you combine the privatization, the slave labor, the war spending, plus sending millions of otherwise unemployed into the military.... yeah economy recovered.

However, you are actually not correct in saying the Germans did not need foreign money. Foreign money was one of the primary goals of the Nazi German government.

Hjalmar Schacht, Mefo Bills and the Restoration of the German Economy 1933-1939

So, I was doing a bit of that aimless reading one so often does on the internet and I came across the transcript from the trial of Hjalmar Schacht at Nuremberg after the war. Schacht was, of course…

fixingtheeconomists.wordpress.com

Hjalmar Schacht was the chief of the Nazi economic plan. He testified at Nuremberg, the following...

There were three main features of the “New Plan” as devised by Schacht: (1) restriction of the demand for such foreign exchange as would be used for purposes unrelated to the conspirators’ rearmament program; (2) increase of the supply of foreign exchange, as a means of paying for essential imports which could not otherwise be acquired; and (3) clearing agreements and other devices obviating the need for foreign exchange

To summarize:
1. Restrict the use of foreign exchange for Nazi purposes.
2. Increase the amount of foreign exchange for Nazi purposes.
3. Make policies that reduced the need for foreign exchange.

So they did need foreign currency, and quite a bit of it.

Foreign currency was so important, that they put in place rationing of gasoline and rubber. People couldn't buy tires for their cars, or fuel for their cars, so that the Nazis could use those foreign currency, to buy the weapons and supplies they wanted.

They tried in some cases to get agreements to exchange goods for fuel and rubber, so they could use more of the foreign currency for what they wanted.

But... the bottom line is, Hitler most certainly did use foreign currency, and a lot of it.

Regardless, I'm not sure if your solution of not needing foreign currency, by having the government loot the banks, and taking away all your savings, is the best possible solution.

And let's not forget that, ultimately those wide spread investments into the economy, had the end resulted in nearly 5 million dead, and half the country doomed to impoverishment and starvation under the Soviets.

Blah blah, blah blah blah. What the major cause of Germany's problems is that they had most of their wealth taken from them after WW I. And they had to male further reparations payments along with that. Keep in mind that WW I was just a war that everybody got sucked in to. They had war declared on them. Hitler put a stop to those reparations payments. Germany made its final WW I reparations payment in 2010.

Next, Hitler took Germany's ruined economy and turned it into the economic envy of the world. It's no wonder the "democratic" capitalists wanted him destroyed. Also, the Germans were far from slaves. They were employed, making a living and supporting their families. Hitler also thought it was important for the German people to be able to enjoy recreational activities. The German people LOVED him. As for anything said at the Nuremberg trials, it was a kangaroo court staged by the victors. You said what the victors wanted you to say, or else!

Blah blah, blah blah blah.

They did not have most of their wealth taken from them. Some was, for sure. But the rest was from bad economic policies. This is well documented.

Hitler did improve the economy, through selling off, and privatizing the stolen wealth of the country, by the previous government, which I clearly documented... and he stole the wealth of the old who had savings accounts in banks.

Further, they had many slaves, and millions were put into the military.

We can eliminate unemployment today, by instituting the draft.

As for anything said at the Nuremberg trials, it was a kangaroo court staged by the victors.

You just outed yourself as a disgusting, and stupid, evil and immoral human being.
You and your parents, and their parents, should be ashamed that you even exist. You are blight on human kind.

You have just outed yourself as a total fool. A number one sucker. Just about everything you have ever heard and continue to hear about Hitler or the Nazis is a complete lie. The worst part is that you like it that way. You might even be a jew. After WW II, the allied forces took many German ex-soldiers and held them prisoner of ex-war. 1.5 to 1.7 million of them were murdered through neglect. After facing that kind of iron fist, any defendants at the Nuremberg trials would say anything the allies wanted them to say.

So you believe the Holocaust was a lie? Also, what is wrong with being a Jew? I find them to be just like any other group.

If I was allowed to, I would tell you. And you wouldn't like the truth.

Why aren’t you allowed to? Is the government watching what you say? Why so paranoid? You can tell me, I’m not offended, and the truth? How do you know what the truth is? My father fought in WWII, second wave to land on Normandy and helped to liberate those in death camps. Go ahead, tell me your version.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Face it. Capitalism is a farce. Everything should be provided by the government. Taking care of the people is their job. (At least, it should be)

No, that's not the way it should be. The federal government taking care of everybody is not what this country is about, and our founders actually designed this country to be quite the opposite. If you want government to take care of all your needs, there are countries already setup that way. You have Cuba and North Korea just to name a few.

However you are in luck. There are places in the US that do the same thing where everybody is equal--equally poor. Only government has the money. Everybody gets paid the same rate no matter what kind of job they do. Free healthcare, food, and even clothing. Only government has the guns too.

We call these places prison, and it's not all that hard to get into one.

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress the right to expend on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If I had to guess, I would say that our government will probably go for the latter. Which is also helped along by president Chump giving encouragement to the protesters why want to re-open the economy. And there are a lot of people suffering economic hardship. But seeing how there isn't likely to be a second round of stimulus checks, many have no choice but to go back to work. Even if it means risking their lives and spreading the coronavirus even more.

Over 80,000 people have died so far. What is the amount of genocide our country is willing to endure at the altar of capitalism as we know it. For those in power, more than likely any level of slaughter is acceptable to preserve capitalism as it was before the coronavirus.

Have y'all gotten "your" checks? I'm surprised that my wife and I haven't. She told me she filed our taxes last year, and I believed her. (-: Our daughter was not a dependent last year, and she has not received one either.

I have direct deposit with the IRS, so mine was in my account April 30th. They say those who are getting paper checks, they might all not be sent out until September of this year.

We are getting paper checks and one can go onto the site and see the progress of their check. Site said ours is now in the mail.

Get My Payment | Internal Revenue Service

The Get My Payment application is no longer available. You can still claim a missing payment and view your payment history.

www.irs.gov

That was stimulus checks 1. How many months were they supposed to last. From the people I see on the news who can't pay rent or waiting in long lines for food, I think it's time for a second round of stimulus checks. And why not. It's only money. Our national debt is already so large that it is basically an insanely large number on a tally sheet. What difference is 3 or 40 trillion more going to make.

Once we can no longer pay the interest on our debt, we lose our credit rating. When we lose our national credit rating, it's not that much different than your personal credit rating being low. Nobody will lend you money.

We don't need fucking foreign money. You know, there was a time in Germany when unemployment was rampant and people literally needed a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a loaf of bread with. The holy Hitler fixed all that.

I'm not sure you really want to make that comparison. And it's not actually true.

First it is exactly because they were not getting foreign money, that caused the Weimar Republican to be ruined.

But to say that holy Hitler fixed all that, is kind of a stretch. First, Hitler had the advantage of having tons of socialized companies.

The Weimar Republic, had nationalized dozens of industries and utilities. Of course, as with any country that goes on a nationalize spree, the results were damaging to the economy.

Hitler was able to fund the government, in part, by selling off (privatizing) those companies.

Further, Hitler gained more funding by those companies, by supplying them with slave labor. Many companies supported Hitler even into the end stages of World War 2, because they were making a killing from the Nazi supplies of free labor.

Lastly, and this is lesser known, but Hitler looted the banks.

Macroeconomics in Germany: The forgotten lesson of Hjalmar Schacht

Despite facing many of the same challenges, Germany’s current macroeconomic policy is substantially different to those of other countries, in part due to the economy legacy of Walter Eucken. This column considers the economic policy of Hjalmar Schacht, whose ‘MEFO-bills’ monetary solution ended...

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When the MEFO-bills came due, the government of Germany required that banks purchase the MEFO-Bills, thus bringing revenue into the government, to ironically, pay back the bills.

This as you might imagine, had the effect of looting people's savings accounts, because banks would have MEFO-Bills instead of money, and simply couldn't pay back some of the people. Of course no one complained because this was the height of the Nazi power in Germany, and no one dared risk having the Gestapo show up.

And when you combine the privatization, the slave labor, the war spending, plus sending millions of otherwise unemployed into the military.... yeah economy recovered.

However, you are actually not correct in saying the Germans did not need foreign money. Foreign money was one of the primary goals of the Nazi German government.

Hjalmar Schacht, Mefo Bills and the Restoration of the German Economy 1933-1939

So, I was doing a bit of that aimless reading one so often does on the internet and I came across the transcript from the trial of Hjalmar Schacht at Nuremberg after the war. Schacht was, of course…

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Hjalmar Schacht was the chief of the Nazi economic plan. He testified at Nuremberg, the following...

There were three main features of the “New Plan” as devised by Schacht: (1) restriction of the demand for such foreign exchange as would be used for purposes unrelated to the conspirators’ rearmament program; (2) increase of the supply of foreign exchange, as a means of paying for essential imports which could not otherwise be acquired; and (3) clearing agreements and other devices obviating the need for foreign exchange

To summarize:
1. Restrict the use of foreign exchange for Nazi purposes.
2. Increase the amount of foreign exchange for Nazi purposes.
3. Make policies that reduced the need for foreign exchange.

So they did need foreign currency, and quite a bit of it.

Foreign currency was so important, that they put in place rationing of gasoline and rubber. People couldn't buy tires for their cars, or fuel for their cars, so that the Nazis could use those foreign currency, to buy the weapons and supplies they wanted.

They tried in some cases to get agreements to exchange goods for fuel and rubber, so they could use more of the foreign currency for what they wanted.

But... the bottom line is, Hitler most certainly did use foreign currency, and a lot of it.

Regardless, I'm not sure if your solution of not needing foreign currency, by having the government loot the banks, and taking away all your savings, is the best possible solution.

And let's not forget that, ultimately those wide spread investments into the economy, had the end resulted in nearly 5 million dead, and half the country doomed to impoverishment and starvation under the Soviets.

Blah blah, blah blah blah. What the major cause of Germany's problems is that they had most of their wealth taken from them after WW I. And they had to male further reparations payments along with that. Keep in mind that WW I was just a war that everybody got sucked in to. They had war declared on them. Hitler put a stop to those reparations payments. Germany made its final WW I reparations payment in 2010.

Next, Hitler took Germany's ruined economy and turned it into the economic envy of the world. It's no wonder the "democratic" capitalists wanted him destroyed. Also, the Germans were far from slaves. They were employed, making a living and supporting their families. Hitler also thought it was important for the German people to be able to enjoy recreational activities. The German people LOVED him. As for anything said at the Nuremberg trials, it was a kangaroo court staged by the victors. You said what the victors wanted you to say, or else!

Blah blah, blah blah blah.

They did not have most of their wealth taken from them. Some was, for sure. But the rest was from bad economic policies. This is well documented.

Hitler did improve the economy, through selling off, and privatizing the stolen wealth of the country, by the previous government, which I clearly documented... and he stole the wealth of the old who had savings accounts in banks.

Further, they had many slaves, and millions were put into the military.

We can eliminate unemployment today, by instituting the draft.

As for anything said at the Nuremberg trials, it was a kangaroo court staged by the victors.

You just outed yourself as a disgusting, and stupid, evil and immoral human being.
You and your parents, and their parents, should be ashamed that you even exist. You are blight on human kind.

You have just outed yourself as a total fool. A number one sucker. Just about everything you have ever heard and continue to hear about Hitler or the Nazis is a complete lie. The worst part is that you like it that way. You might even be a jew. After WW II, the allied forces took many German ex-soldiers and held them prisoner of ex-war. 1.5 to 1.7 million of them were murdered through neglect. After facing that kind of iron fist, any defendants at the Nuremberg trials would say anything the allies wanted them to say.

After WW II, the allied forces took many German ex-soldiers and held them prisoner of ex-war. 1.5 to 1.7 million of them were murdered through neglect.

The only people who sucked worse than the Nazis were the Commies.

Stalin made Hitler look like Mary Poppins. But that isn't the point. The point around here is what has more value. Human life or the "economy."

Well, you can't live if you sit at home and destroy the economy.

 

[quarantine]

Until there is a vaccine, which could be a year or more away, the virus will grow. Countries like New Zealand, if they open their borders, their numbers will grow. Just a fact and the nature of the virus.

There is a vaccine that looks very promising right now, even though it's in the preliminary stages. But if things keep going in this direction, we could possibly have a vaccine as early as January of next year.

Moderna says early coronavirus vaccine results are encouraging

Moderna, based in Cambridge, Massachusetts, is one of eight developers worldwide doing human clinical trials with a vaccine against the novel coronavirus, according to the World Health Organization…

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Yeah. Time enough for everybody to get infected.

 

[quarantine]

If capitalism can't create the jobs needed for people to sustain themselves, then government should step in and do so.

How? Government doesn't produce product or service for profit. Government doesn't create jobs--the private sector creates jobs. All government can do is make it more or less inviting for the private sector to do so.

Jobs were never created so people can earn a living. Jobs are created because an investor needs help in producing those products or services for a profit. Jobs are not a public or private obligation to society.

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How? You mean you are actually interested in learning? Why do I find that impossible to believe. But if you are interested, I will tell you where to find the information you seek. Watch the documentary, "Capitalism: A love story." I don't agree with absolutely everything in it. But if you watched it, you would learn something. You should also watch the documentary, "Where to invade next." The same story there. And you will learn something.

Getting your information from Michael Moore? DURR

Yeah. Here is some of it. Which Japan and other European countries got. But we didn't. Watch it and suck it.

 

[quarantine]

If I had to guess, I would say that our government will probably go for the latter. Which is also helped along by president Chump giving encouragement to the protesters why want to re-open the economy. And there are a lot of people suffering economic hardship. But seeing how there isn't likely to be a second round of stimulus checks, many have no choice but to go back to work. Even if it means risking their lives and spreading the coronavirus even more.

Over 80,000 people have died so far. What is the amount of genocide our country is willing to endure at the altar of capitalism as we know it. For those in power, more than likely any level of slaughter is acceptable to preserve capitalism as it was before the coronavirus.

When you have capitalism, you have jobs. An economic plunge could close down a lot of business which means a lot of jobs lost if and when we are totally safe from the virus. And what happens if there is no way TO wipe out this virus.....what do we do then?

Most all people need a job to support themselves and their families. The government can't support us forever. So it's more than just saving business, saving jobs, it's also saving the country so we don't end up like Greece or Venezuela. And don't think for a minute that can't happen in our country.

Though I wish it was otherwise, what I speak of wouldn't be a forever thing. Just until the plague is crushed. Also, as I said before, bees, ants and termites have societies. And they have no need of money at all. Neither is employment an issue. Surely to some small degree we humans can do a little bit of what some basically brainless bugs can do.

Really? Are you going to grow your own food from now on? Are you going to create heat in your home? Are you going to never go anywhere unless you walk or ride a bike? Are you going to stop taking any and all medications you're on? Are you willing to lose your house or apartment and build a shack in the middle of the woods somewhere?

We are not insects, we are human beings. We are people that survive only because of a modern society, which of course requires money to participate.

What has most people bitching is being able to do business. Farming and food production is just a small part of it. Though it is the most important part. Also, as long as gas and electricity are being produced, heating a house is no problem. Next, as human beings, we should be able to better than bug civilizations. And they don't use money.

Modern society uses money to survive. You can't live without it. Hell, out in the sticks, we have several Amish communities. Many of them have jobs because money is not optional--it's a necessity. Given the fact there is only one way for most to get money, that's what we need to do. Our government is traveling dangerous territory right now. The quicker we get to the point we can no longer spend (and yes, that day is coming) the quicker our country will collapse.

Economically, our country has already collapsed. That is as far as the value of money goes. Because we can never pay back the amount that we owe. Even before the coronavirus, our national debt kept growing and growing. Ever economist I have ever heard speaking about it said that it was unsustainable. Sooner or later, the crash would come. Well let it happen now. Flush the dollar down the toilet, erase our debt and create a new currency. Just like the holy Hitler did with MEFO currency. And give every poor working age adult in the US a $12,000 new dollar stimulus check to see them through the coronavirus quarantine period. Or maybe they should make it a $24,000 check.

Because we can never pay back the amount that we owe.

Who said we had to or should?

Flush the dollar down the toilet, erase our debt and create a new currency.

Pay your bills, deadbeat.

And give every poor working age adult in the US a $12,000 new dollar stimulus check to see them through the coronavirus quarantine period.

Nah.

At one time in France they had a lot of "deadbeats." The French built guillotines to deal with those who treated them as deadbeats. If capitalism can't create the jobs needed for people to sustain themselves, then government should step in and do so. The Chinese did it with building the Great Wall. The Egyptians did it with building the pyramids. Along with many other great public works that various civilizations had created throughout history.

Yeah, and that resulted in devastation for France. You need to remember historically what the result of that ideology was. Thousands on thousands of French were slaughtered in mass executions, which ended up not killing just aristocrats, but everyone. That's why they called it the reign of terror.

And with the destruction of the stable government, institution of mass conscription, civil war, and then the dictatorship of Napoleon, which forced thousands more citizens into fighting wars, and large scale deaths.

And the long term effects of the Revolution, resulted in nearly the entire 1800s in France being nothing but power struggles and assassinations, and political exiles.

It is very clear that utter destruction of France in World War 1, and the subjugation of France in World War 2, can all be traced back to the French revolution.

You pointing to the French revolution as a model to follow, proves you are utterly incompetent on this subject.

BS.

Name one thing, that as not true?

France wasn't devastated. They rose from devastation. Next, for the most part, it was the aristocrats who were euthanized. And their non-aristocrat lackeys. Also, who called it the reign of terror. Not me. Hell, even today they are still trying to paint Hitler as the bad guy in WW II. Next, as far as I ever heard, there was no civil war. At least nothing that came even close to the French Revolution itself. As for mass conscriptions, I doubt if they ever took place. It is always expensive to raise an army. Though France probably had to defend itself from other monarchies. Next, Napoleon did eventually make himself a emperor. That is probably part of the reason why a Frenchman once basically said, "The more that things change, the more they stay the same."

Next, many countries suffered devastation in WW I. And they weren't the French. Next, France wasn't subjugated in WW II. They were defeated. But half of France remained under the French Vichy government. Also, laying the blame for anything that happened in WW I or WW II on the French Revolution is a joke. That was ancient history by then.

France was absolutely devastated. If you don't know the starvation, mass executions, and the reign of terror that spread throughout France, then you need to learn something. It wasn't just the rich that died in the Revolution.... it was literally everyone, and MOST were the lower class.

You really don't know what you are talking about, and I'm not going to argue with you forever, when you are this ignorant.

The aristocrats did not all die in the revolution. In fact, there are people alive today, that could (if the monarchy was ever instated again) claim the throne in France.

As for World War 1, again, you don't seem to make the connection. The revolution broke up the large farming estates. The result of that, was a decline in food production across the country. More and more people were farming smaller and smaller plots.

It is directly because of this, that France remained largely backwards as far as industrial advancement. By the time the Germans showed up in World War 1, France was still a agricultural society, which made them helpless.

Additionally, because of the revolution, and the Napoleonic wars, they had no trained standing army. Just peasants given weapons, and not even good weapons. France lost 1.7 Million people, which was 4.3% of the total population of their country, and it can all be traced back to the French Revolution, whose bad policies left France in a backward state for 100 years.

You are full of crap. France was about as devastated after the French Revolution as the U.S. was after the American Revolution. Next, some aristocrats did flee to other countries. The king and queen of France themselves tried to do so. But they didn't make it. So you're not making much of a point there. Also, there is no "if." After Napoleon, the monarchy was reestablished in France. Next, French people grew food. It didn't matter who owned the land. Next, at the beginning of WW I, the U.S. was largely an agricultural nation too. So how about giving up on blaming France's problems on the French Revolution.

 

[quarantine]

If capitalism can't create the jobs needed for people to sustain themselves, then government should step in and do so.

How? Government doesn't produce product or service for profit. Government doesn't create jobs--the private sector creates jobs. All government can do is make it more or less inviting for the private sector to do so.

Jobs were never created so people can earn a living. Jobs are created because an investor needs help in producing those products or services for a profit. Jobs are not a public or private obligation to society.

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How? You mean you are actually interested in learning? Why do I find that impossible to believe. But if you are interested, I will tell you where to find the information you seek. Watch the documentary, "Capitalism: A love story." I don't agree with absolutely everything in it. But if you watched it, you would learn something. You should also watch the documentary, "Where to invade next." The same story there. And you will learn something.

Ok ok stop..... Never get your information from Michael Moron. Moron has lied in every single documentary he has ever put out. And I mean bold faced lied. Clear documented lies. Every single movie he has ever made, has been full of lies.

Whether you agree or disagree with parts of it doesn't matter. His movies are all lies. All of them.

If you want me to make out a list of all the clear lies in his films, I'll be happy to. But none of us that know the history of Michael Moron, are going to be convinced to watch, or by any argument based on the serial liar, Michael Moron.

Yeah. And all the people he interviewed were liars as well. Including some heads of state. The stupid is strong with you.

 

[quarantine]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
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From what I have been seeing on the news, many states are reopening even though the cases of coronavirus is still increasing. Also, how many instances of coronavirus in this country did it take to get the whole ball rolling to begin with. 2 or 3?

Then why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
Its going down, with 1,417,350 US cases, how can it go down with so many active cases, not just 1 or 2?

Because of quarantine. With the 2 or 3 who got the whole plague rolling here, there was no quarantine.

Yes there most certainly was a quarantine here, for travelers from China, but not from Europe?!
Quarantine? Not all of the 1.4m are quarantined, so why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
You did not answer this question: What's a worse condition, 1.4m cases or a few?
We have the 1.4m now and the number of cases is going down, why? How can that be?

President Chump just didn't handle things well. And he still isn't.

Really? So what should he have done? I'll show you why he couldn't or didn't.

Well, president Chump could have started out by not calling the coronavirus a hoax at the beginning.

He didn't call it a hoax, he called what Democrats were trying to do with it another one of their hoaxes. Of course this was before we had any idea how this thing would impact us. But lets say he never made that statement. How would that have changed our current plight?

He called it a hoax. Next, it would have changed our current plight by taking it seriously from the beginning. And there would be over 30,000 fewer dead people.

Bull. He did not. I proved that already. Now you are the liar. Stop being a liar, if you want us to discuss things with you.

You can't disprove something I heard with my own ears. If you don't want to believe it, that is up to you.

Actually I can. When a left-wing fact checking group, investigates the claim, and finds it to be false, with zero evidence supporting the claim.... that makes you an idiot, or a liar, or both.

You are free to hold on to your idiotic lies, all you want... but yes, facts "trump" your claim of what you heard.

If Trump ever said that Corona itself as a hoax, there would be hundreds of thousands of videos of it all over youtube. There is not.

There would be dozens of left-wing groups posting proof of that statement. There isn't.

So that just makes you stupid, lying, and wrong.

You have right to be stupid, lying, and wrong. But you are still just stupid, lying, and wrong.

Listen you FOOL. I wasted some time yesterday trying to prove you wrong to a degree that even you couldn't argue against. But I couldn't find a good free screen recorder. What I planned to do was record part of a speech made by president Chump. So you could see with your own eyes and hear with your own ears him calling the coronavirus a hoax. I figured one video would be good enough for you. But there are others. Just go to youtube and enter at the top, "Videos of president trump calling the coronavirus a hoax." You can watch them until your eyes bleed.

 

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He states that the presentation and reaction to the virus was a hoax and he continues to be correct while you continue to lie about it.
He never said the existence of the virus was a hoax, only the methods of assessing and reacting to it.

 

[quarantine]

If I had to guess, I would say that our government will probably go for the latter. Which is also helped along by president Chump giving encouragement to the protesters why want to re-open the economy. And there are a lot of people suffering economic hardship. But seeing how there isn't likely to be a second round of stimulus checks, many have no choice but to go back to work. Even if it means risking their lives and spreading the coronavirus even more.

Over 80,000 people have died so far. What is the amount of genocide our country is willing to endure at the altar of capitalism as we know it. For those in power, more than likely any level of slaughter is acceptable to preserve capitalism as it was before the coronavirus.

Where does the money come from????

The same place it comes from now. Pretend land. Our fiat currency is probably over 20 trillion in debt. It doesn't matter if it is 40 trillion. Though before the coronavirus thing hit, the U.S. was paying around 420 billion dollars a year just on the interest of our national debt. Which is basically money flushed down the toilet. And we just burrow more money to pay that. We need to just tell whoever we owe interest to to suck it! Apart from the national debt, we also have around 61 trillion worth of unfunded obligations. And I don't want to split the hair between a debt and an obligation.

We need to just tell whoever we owe interest to to suck it!

But you want to borrow more money for handouts to you?

You're not real bright, are you?

Usury is for suckers and slaves.

Well ok....

But understand that if you eliminate Usury, then you are not going to borrow anymore.

That means if you don't have money for a car, then you simply don't get a car.

And if there isn't money for Social Security, then there is no Social Security.

If you don't have money for education, then you simply don't get education.

If there is no money for Medicare, then you simply don't get Medicare.

I'm somewhat sympathetic to the concept of banning Usury. But you need to understand what that means. No credit cards. If you want to go out to eat, because some friends came into town unexpected, and you don't have money.... you don't go out to eat.

Are you ok with this?

You don't need usury to have any of that. When inflation heats up, the fed increases interests payments. If the economy is doing poorly, the fed nearly eliminates interest payments-usury.

Without Usury, it does not matter what the Fed does.... if you don't have the money to buy something... then you are not going to be able to buy it. No matter what the Fed does.

You don't make any sense.

If you want to buy a house.... and there is no Usury... why would anyone lend you the money to buy a house? They wouldn't.

Doesn't matter what the Fed does. Why would I loan you $100,000 to buy a house, if I can't earn a profit off of loaning you the money? Without Usury, I would get back $100,000 on my $100,000 loan.

Why would I do this? I wouldn't.

If I'm a bank, I'm not going to give you a mortgage, because why would I do something that earns me nothing? Has nothing to do with the Fed. Fed has zero influence on this choice.

I'm simply not going to loan you the money. It would be better for me to invest that $100,000 in stocks. At least with stocks I'll get a return on my investment.

No Usury, means no money for you. If you don't have the cash, you don't get the stuff.

If you are ok with that, so am I. I'm all for banning Usury. But you need to understand... no house unless you have cash. No car unless you have cash. Doesn't matter what the Fed does. No one is going to loan you money, if they can't make a profit.

Face it. Capitalism is a farce. Everything should be provided by the government. Taking care of the people is their job. (At least, it should be) Not kissing hands and shaking babies. Housing, health care, education and transportation should be free. Free Free FREEEEEEEEEE!!!! Healthcare should apply equally to anybody. But as far as everything else goes, it would have to depend on your station in life. Those who are doctors or scientists for example should have better housing and transportation than a laborer. In return, people give their labor to support society.

In my town they have a plan to make the bridges toll bridges. In other words, privatize them. But those people are in it to make a profit. If you want something done as cheaply as possible, providing companies with profit isn't the way to go. No doubt one way they would do it is by paying their workers less and giving them fewer benefits than a city worker would get. Which is a race to the bottom. Screw that.

So you do know that even in North America, we tried that.... right? You know the history? When they first founded the colonies, they tried what you suggested.

Housing was provided free. Food was provided free. Clothing was free. Health care, to what little extent it existed, was free.

Here's the problem.... the colonies were on the verge of starvation, because people did not want to work. Why would they work, if they were clothed, fed, and housed for free?

And the bottom line is, they didn't. People didn't work. Food was not being grown. So the entire colony was nearing mass starvation. In fact, they called it Starving Time, in colonial history.

The only reason the United States exists today, is because they adopted Capitalism before the US was created.

What Really Happened at Plymouth | Murray N. Rothbard

Murray Rothbard tells the true story of the Plymouth Colony. "The first successful settlement in New England was something of an accident. By 1617 the Pilgrims had determined to leave the Netherlands, where their youth were supposedly being corrupted by the 'licentiousness' of even the Calvinist...

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William Bradford, who had become governor of Plymouth in 1621, and was to help rule the colony for thirty years thereafter, eloquently describes the result in his record of the colony:

All this while no supply was heard of…. So they began to think how they might raise as much corn as they could, and obtain a better crop than they had done, that they might not still thus languish in misery. At length … the Governor (with the advice of the chiefest among them) gave way that they should set corn every man for his own particular, and in that regard trust to themselves…. And so assigned to every family a parcel of land … for that end, only for present use…. This had very good success, for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been by any means the Governor or any other could use, and saved him a great deal of trouble, and gave far better content. The women now went willingly into the field, and took their little ones with them to set corn; which before would allege weakness and inability; whom to have compelled would have been thought great tyranny and oppression.​

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The experience that was had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years and that amongst godly and sober men, may well evince the vanity of that conceit of Plato's … that the taking away of property and bringing community into a commonwealth would make them happy and flourishing…. For this community … was found to breed much confusion and discontent and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For the young men, that were most able and fit for labour and service, did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without any recompense.​

This is real history of this country. Your system resulted in near mass starvation. Capitalism is the only reason we exist at all.

The reason the most wealthy and highest standard of living in the world exists, is because of Capitalism.

And by the way, every country that has tried what you support.... as had the same results as the early American colonies.

Venezuela, Cuba, Loas, China, Russia, and the list goes on.

What a load of crap. Yeah, the colonists came here to be lazy. Do you always hallucinate? Or listen to those who apparently do? Also, capitalism is for suckers. Deal with it.

 

[quarantine]

If I had to guess, I would say that our government will probably go for the latter. Which is also helped along by president Chump giving encouragement to the protesters why want to re-open the economy. And there are a lot of people suffering economic hardship. But seeing how there isn't likely to be a second round of stimulus checks, many have no choice but to go back to work. Even if it means risking their lives and spreading the coronavirus even more.

Over 80,000 people have died so far. What is the amount of genocide our country is willing to endure at the altar of capitalism as we know it. For those in power, more than likely any level of slaughter is acceptable to preserve capitalism as it was before the coronavirus.

When you have capitalism, you have jobs. An economic plunge could close down a lot of business which means a lot of jobs lost if and when we are totally safe from the virus. And what happens if there is no way TO wipe out this virus.....what do we do then?

Most all people need a job to support themselves and their families. The government can't support us forever. So it's more than just saving business, saving jobs, it's also saving the country so we don't end up like Greece or Venezuela. And don't think for a minute that can't happen in our country.

Though I wish it was otherwise, what I speak of wouldn't be a forever thing. Just until the plague is crushed. Also, as I said before, bees, ants and termites have societies. And they have no need of money at all. Neither is employment an issue. Surely to some small degree we humans can do a little bit of what some basically brainless bugs can do.

You will never crush the plague. It will be with us forever, just like all the viruses before this. So, you want us to all stay home until we die? Is that your plan? I’d like to know what your answer is.

Your defeatism aside, doing a lockdown has caused the number of deaths in NY to decline. Beating the plague isn't easy. But it can be done. And done much better with more financial support from the government. But apparently is is cheaper to force people into the kill zone.

States and countries that had little or no lockdown have done pretty well. There is no right or wrong way in all this. This virus is impossible to escape I"m afraid. If you feel you need to isolate yourself from public, then do so. I am. If you don't fear the virus and think you'll do just fine, it's not my business to stop you.

I have never heard of any country with no lock down. From what I hear, I think Sweden has a limited one. But that isn't the point. All the experts agree that without taking steps to contain the virus, things will be much worse. And there is likely to be a second wave. But as far as president Chump seems to feel, it doesn't matter how many tens of thousands, possibly millions die. He is against any future shutdown.

That's because President Trump understands we can totally put ourselves in a depression if we continue this too long. It's called digging a hole so deep that you can't get out of it yourself.

We are already in a hole we can't get ourselves out of. At least, not with guillotines for the wealthy.

Wrong. We didn't do that much damage to the economy......yet. Yes, thousands of businesses had to close up permanently, but when the economy gets going again, others will take their place. But we can't expect that to happen if we wait until next year. More and more will close up permanently, and eventually nobody will be able to start back up again.

The government has the power to start anything up. This guy seemed to think so too.