Still Not Learning From History

[gipper]

I listen to people who know geo political details and trust me, Ukraine is vital to the west. You just don't know it. Trust me, people in charge know Ukraine is important. Food, energy, nuclear, natural resources. Why do you think Russia wants it?

You clearly are listening to right wing propoganda. Trump is on Russia's side. They help him he helps them.

Don't you see? Trump starts fights with our allies and friends with our enemies. Classic dictator move.

Get informed.

 

[gipper]

I listen to people who know geo political details and trust me, Ukraine is vital to the west. You just don't know it. Trust me, people in charge know Ukraine is important. Food, energy, nuclear, natural resources. Why do you think Russia wants it?

You clearly are listening to right wing propoganda. Trump is on Russia's side. They help him he helps them.

Don't you see? Trump starts fights with our allies and friends with our enemies. Classic dictator move.

You believe this crazed psychopath.

 

[Doc7505]

Here is another conflict that went according to plan. Kosovo. How many Americans died in Kosovo?

Did any US soldiers died in Kosovo? One person. Dude, he's famous. Pretty cool. The distinction of being the only one.

Alexander Blake Klass, 20, of Willamina, Ore., died July 4 in Kosovo in a noncombat-related incident.

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Yes, the figure statnds at 3 dead one captured.

 

[excalibur]

Some people learn the wrong lesson or revisionist history. For example, Republicans today try to suggest they gave us civil rights. Or people don't realize Bush stole 2000 not Biden 2020.

Republicans passed the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments, and the early Civil Rights laws, and were instrumental in passing the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

The Florida Supreme Court kept ordering one recount after another in 2000. And would have kept ordering more until Gore pulled ahead.

 

[Cougarbear]

Some people learn the wrong lesson or revisionist history. For example, Republicans today try to suggest they gave us civil rights. Or people don't realize Bush stole 2000 not Biden 2020.

Speaking of revisionist history, you are the king of revisionism. It's amazing how people lie and don't care. And, I'm not sure what you will get out of this? What are you expecting with Biden and Democrat control of the country? Are you wanting to have your individual liberties taken away? If so, why?

 

[Doc7505]

Republicans passed the 13th 14th, and 15th Amendments, and the early Civil Rights laws, and were instrumental in passing the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

The Florida Supreme Court kept ordering one recount after another in 2000. And would have kept ordering more until Gore pulled ahead.

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Let us not forget that a majority of Democrats opposed the 1957 and the 1964 Civil Rights Acts.

Fact Check: ‘More Republicans Voted for the Civil Rights Act as a Percentage Than Democrats Did’

Throughout the 1950s and ’60s, Republicans were generally more unified than Democrats in support of civil rights legislation.

www.dailysignal.com

"The Civil Rights Act of 1957 did establish the United States Commission on Civil Rights and the United States Department of Justice Civil Rights Division. Congress would later pass far more effective civil rights laws in the form of the Civil Rights Act of 1960, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Civil Rights Act of 1968.

 

[Billiejeens]

I listen to people who know geo political details and trust me, Ukraine is vital to the west. You just don't know it. Trust me, people in charge know Ukraine is important. Food, energy, nuclear, natural resources. Why do you think Russia wants it?

You clearly are listening to right wing propoganda. Trump is on Russia's side. They help him he helps them.

Don't you see? Trump starts fights with our allies and friends with our enemies. Classic dictator move.

You have an elementary school level of understanding the issues.

 

[pknopp]

We need to spend billions and billions more in Ukraine because none of it is needed here.

 

[sealybobo]

Get informed.

Nothing spent at home? Biden already gave you the infrastructure you so badly needed.

Chris Christie said it best. We can do both. Fund projects and programs at home and be the leaders of the free world and defend democracy.

Republicans clearly want a civil war then a world war. It's obvious now.

 

[sealybobo]

You have an elementary school level of understanding the issues.

Compared to them yes but not to you.

 

[pknopp]

Nothing spent at home? Biden already gave you the infrastructure you so badly needed.

Chris Christie said it best. We can do both. Fund projects and programs at home and be the leaders of the free world and defend democracy.

Republicans clearly want a civil war then a world war. It's obvious now.

If it's so important, pay for it.

 

[sealybobo]

Speaking of revisionist history, you are the king of revisionism. It's amazing how people lie and don't care. And, I'm not sure what you will get out of this? What are you expecting with Biden and Democrat control of the country? Are you wanting to have your individual liberties taken away? If so, why?

I don't like conservatives or Republicans. Not fiscally or socially.

Although when I'm with my white conservative friends they're constantly pointing out the shit I say is not very liberal. When I say racist stuff, they agree, but point out that's not very liberal.

 

[sealybobo]

If it's so important, pay for it.

We are.

Listen stupid. We elect politicians. They know more than us. Your side is just playing politics with these issues and that's dangerous. It could change the world for the worse. If Republicans win and suddenly our best ally is Putin not England. That's bad. The evil dictators are rooting for Trump.

 

[konradv]

Still Not Learning From History​

Still Not Learning From History | Frontpage Mag​

Bad ideas and practices that we have witnessed over and over again.

www.frontpagemag.com
14 Feb 2024 ~~ By Bruce Thornton

From its beginning 2400 years ago in ancient Greece, the purpose of history has been to counsel the present by documenting the mistakes of the past. Thucydides explicitly made this goal the purpose of his History of the Peloponnesian War: to memorialize “an exact knowledge of the past as an aid to the understanding the future, which in the course of human things must resemble if it does not reflect it.” At the violent end of the Roman Republic, the historian Livy similarly explains his intent: to shows us “what to imitate,” and “mark for avoidance what is shameful in the conception and shameful in the result.”
Yet here we are, two millennia later, despite our wealth, technological advances, and much vaster knowledge, still repeating the mistakes and follies not just of the distant past, but of the last half-century. The four years of the Biden administration’s failing foreign policy are the consequence of bad ideas and practices that we have already witnessed over and over.
Until we pay attention to the blunders of the past, and acknowledge the tragic nature of human affairs, we will continue to let misplaced idealism, electoral politics, ideological mantras, and sheer laziness endanger our national security and interests.
~Snip~
The history we’ve failed to learn from does not have to go back to the Twenties and Thirties of the 20th century for monitory examples, when the serial appeasement of Germany began before the ink was dry on the Versailles Treaty, and ended in the most destructive war in history. The Nineties and the rise of al Qaeda provide enough foreign policy decisions “shameful in the conception and shameful in the result.”
~Snip~
So here we go again, our soldiers taking casualties from Iran’s proxies, and our leaders losing their nerve and not punishing the world’s worst state sponsor of terrorism that for 45 years has been at war with the U.S. and killing our citizens with impunity. Such are the wages of historical amnesia, political calculations, and feckless foreign policy idealism.


Commentary:
Great article..
I suggest you go to the original to read the entire thesis .
We're supposed to learn from our mistakes and history in order not to repeat the mistakes. It appears we do not.
As Professor Thorton notes, errors repeat themselves continuously in history as though we have learned nothing. We will need some time and additional academic training to understand why this happens on all levels of human activity. Let me suggest here that to truly understand the origins of the problems,
Perhaps all our politicians should be require to study the teachings of Sun Tzu, because the art of war is no different than the art of politics.

“Those who do not learn from history....” Winston Churchill

We ARE learning from history!

 

[Billiejeens]

Compared to them yes but not to you.

Compared to me you are still in the cradle.

 

[pknopp]

We are.

We aren't. Since you won't be honest here, I have no desire to read anything else you write on the subject.

 

[kyzr]

We ARE learning from history!

Yep, we know Biden is too fucking old to be president...

 

[sealybobo]

We aren't. Since you won't be honest here, I have no desire to read anything else you write on the subject.

I think being in Florida is making me stupider.

 

[gipper]

Nothing spent at home? Biden already gave you the infrastructure you so badly needed.

Chris Christie said it best. We can do both. Fund projects and programs at home and be the leaders of the free world and defend democracy.

Republicans clearly want a civil war then a world war. It's obvious now.

Do you ever ask yourself how we could in incur nearly $35 trillion national debt yet unlike most of the first world nation’s, Americans don’t have healthcare, higher education, but a failing infrastructure along with millions living in or near poverty?

 

[sealybobo]

Do you ever ask yourself how we could in incur nearly $35 trillion national debt yet unlike most of the first world nation’s, Americans don’t have healthcare, higher education, but a failing infrastructure along with millions living in or near poverty?

We got off the gold standard and clearly both sides know debt doesn't matter. But I believe there will be a crash to right the ship. Like the 2007 Great Recession. And since Reagan, we've given the rich and corporations tax breaks and making cuts to social programs. Breaking unions meant ceo pay could go up 1322% when ours only went up 18%. From 1978 to now. And in those same years, union membership went from 35% of our workforce to 5%. So who's gonna stop companies from hiring illegals for sub American wages? I could go on and on about how the rich waged class warfare on us starting with getting Reagan elected. And Bush 2, he really fucked us good huh?

Last year unions just made out great. They are finally making what they are "worth" because they have a seat at the table. Perhaps it's time for a comeback for unions. We will see. Once uneducated blue collar Trump supporters realize the jobs coming back only pay $15. And the globalists like Bush, McCain and Romney will say they are doing jobs Americans won't do. They'll do em but you got to py em. And if they can make more somewhere else??"

If there are 10 million unfilled jobs how come wages aren't continuing to rise? Because the feds raised interest rates to cool down this red hot economy.