"startling new details"

[candycorn]

A lot of people are proud that Obama was able to get away with that. The ability to keep the media so docile and the nerve to stand before America and coolly parse and deflect to obscure the facts are considered positive traits to them. Well, since it's Democrats who did it it is considered positive.

If it had been Republicans, the Democrats and their media would not have let this happen.

Bush had 10 (at least) attacks under his watchful closed eyes. I don't recall much of an uproar...how about you?

Give some specifics about each one.

One caused a US diplomat to die. 4 were in the same country. There was a pattern. Nobody cared then (nobody cares now).

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Bush had 10 (at least) attacks under his watchful closed eyes. I don't recall much of an uproar...how about you?

Give some specifics about each one.

One caused a US diplomat to die. 4 were in the same country. There was a pattern. Nobody cared then (nobody cares now).

Some one already saved your ass. Too late to weigh in now.

 

[tinydancer]

Bush had 10 (at least) attacks under his watchful closed eyes. I don't recall much of an uproar...how about you?

Really? How many ambassadors died under Bush? I'll give you a hint. None.

U.S. ambassadors killed in line of duty: Chris Stevens was the sixth, here are the other five.

.

and yet...

​

Let me see if I have this correct, are you saying Ambassador Stevens life is more important than the 60 American diplomats that were killed on Bush's watch?


"U.S. President Ronald Reagan on April 18 [1983] denounced the "vicious terrorist bombing" as a "cowardly act," saying, "This criminal act on a diplomatic establishment will not deter us from our goals of peace in the region."[3] Two envoys, Philip C. Habib and Morris Draper, continued their peace mission in Beirut to discuss Lebanese troop withdrawals with a renewed sense of urgency."
.

President Bush did not lie that these attacks were based on a video.

These excuses won't fly. We're in the here and now and Obama, Clinton and others are up a proverbial shit creek with out a paddle.

They fabricated this story knowing full well it was a terror attack.

 

[RoadVirus]

I think it is startling that Republicans cut embassy security budgets and then fail to mention that in any of their witch hunt activities.

And yet, the State Department found the money to buy an electric vehicle charging station for a US embassy.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

only to nutters....

Oh? So it is your belief that ther was some effort to protect them that was taken -- but which just, sadly, fell a little short of that objective?

Pray tell.

What was done?

You see that "two of the four Americans killed that night died hours after the first attack began"?

Those two were part of a rescue team sent in to help. tinydancer and other piss drinkers like yourself have to constantly wipe that part from their memories when this is explained to them.

The consulate attack was over in minutes. There was no way the first two who were killed could have been saved by a rescue team. None. Zip. Zilch. Impossible.

The CIA annex responded within 20 minutes of hearing of the attack. They sent a rescue team to the consulate and picked up the survivors and brought them back to the annex.

Two lies have been manufactured just around these simple facts. One: "Obama watched as the Ambassador died". Two: "A seven hour battle at the consulate".

The attack on the consulate was over in minutes. Clearly, the liars are not the slightest bit interested in the truth.

Moving on, a rescue team from Tripoli arrived at the annex. Got that? A rescue team was sent from Tripoli to help. Let that FACT sink in.

Seven and a half hours after the consulate attack, a second attack occurred at a separate location. The annex. And during this attack, two of the rescuers were killed.

Now let THAT sink in.

You ******* idiots keep claiming there were "stand down orders" and that no help was sent and then you wail and gnash your teeth in faux outrage over a couple of guys FROM THE RESCUE TEAM who died!

*******. Amazing. How do you flip flop all this shit around in your skulls without suffering serious cognitive dissonance?

Oh, yeah. You have to be cognitive first...

A second rescue team was also forming up in Tripoli. Their plan was to board a Libyan C-130.

Got that? A C-130 that belonged to the Libyans. And that means they needed permission from the Libyan government to use that plane.

A State Department official busted his ass trying to get authorization from the appropriate Libyan authorities.

However, he did not get permission before the C-130 left, and so the second rescue team was told they could not go on that plane. "You can't go now." But the assholes who want to perpetuate the "stand down order" MYTH, truncate that to "you can't go". A HUGE lie of omission.

This has been manufactured into a "stand down order" by idiots who have no clue how the military works. They don't know what a stand down order is. They are misusing the term.

You only hear idiot politicians and yellow journalists using that term. Read the testimony. Only an asshole politician uses it, and he totally misuses it.

The second rescue team was finally able to get on another plane and fly to Benghazi, but they were too late.

Now let THOSE "startling new details" sink into your thick heads.

So what do we have from the shitbirds? Several lies. Obama dispassionately watching the Ambassador die through the lens of a drone. No rescue team sent. A stand down order.

You would have to be a special kind of idiot to believe these people are after the truth. You fools have weaved an entirely false fantasy surrounding the events which actually occurred.

Uhm ... the question was "what was DONE?"

(And your timeline is dubious.)

But still. What was DONE?

 

[Trajan]

Many liberals are gay fool.

There are no liberal Republicans and we know they hate gays.

However, Democrats have both gays and conservatives.

Rather odd, wouldn't you say?

Romney GAY adviser leaves campaign amid controversy ? CNN

There are republican gays also, deen.....and also, there are liberal republicans.
I hate to burst your partisan wingnut bubble...but.....

There are no liberal Republicans and Republicans hate gays. There are black Republicans and Republicans hate blacks. There are always a few masochists among us.

us?




Freudian slippage =epic....

 

[Trajan]

only to nutters....

Oh? So it is your belief that ther was some effort to protect them that was taken -- but which just, sadly, fell a little short of that objective?

Pray tell.

What was done?

You see that "two of the four Americans killed that night died hours after the first attack began"?

Those two were part of a rescue team sent in to help. tinydancer and other piss drinkers like yourself have to constantly wipe that part from their memories when this is explained to them.

The consulate attack was over in minutes. There was no way the first two who were killed could have been saved by a rescue team. None. Zip. Zilch. Impossible.

The CIA annex responded within 20 minutes of hearing of the attack. They sent a rescue team to the consulate and picked up the survivors and brought them back to the annex.

Two lies have been manufactured just around these simple facts. One: "Obama watched as the Ambassador died". Two: "A seven hour battle at the consulate".

The attack on the consulate was over in minutes. Clearly, the liars are not the slightest bit interested in the truth.

Moving on, a rescue team from Tripoli arrived at the annex. Got that? A rescue team was sent from Tripoli to help. Let that FACT sink in.

Seven and a half hours after the consulate attack, a second attack occurred at a separate location. The annex. And during this attack, two of the rescuers were killed.

Now let THAT sink in.

You ******* idiots keep claiming there were "stand down orders" and that no help was sent and then you wail and gnash your teeth in faux outrage over a couple of guys FROM THE RESCUE TEAM who died!

*******. Amazing. How do you flip flop all this shit around in your skulls without suffering serious cognitive dissonance?

Oh, yeah. You have to be cognitive first...

A second rescue team was also forming up in Tripoli. Their plan was to board a Libyan C-130.

Got that? A C-130 that belonged to the Libyans. And that means they needed permission from the Libyan government to use that plane.

A State Department official busted his ass trying to get authorization from the appropriate Libyan authorities.

However, he did not get permission before the C-130 left, and so the second rescue team was told they could not go on that plane. "You can't go now." But the assholes who want to perpetuate the "stand down order" MYTH, truncate that to "you can't go". A HUGE lie of omission.

This has been manufactured into a "stand down order" by idiots who have no clue how the military works. They don't know what a stand down order is. They are misusing the term.

You only hear idiot politicians and yellow journalists using that term. Read the testimony. Only an asshole politician uses it, and he totally misuses it.

The second rescue team was finally able to get on another plane and fly to Benghazi, but they were too late.

Now let THOSE "startling new details" sink into your thick heads.

So what do we have from the shitbirds? Several lies. Obama dispassionately watching the Ambassador die through the lens of a drone. No rescue team sent. A stand down order.

You would have to be a special kind of idiot to believe these people are after the truth. You fools have weaved an entirely false fantasy surrounding the events which actually occurred.

uhm hello the 2 seals that died disobeyed orders to go to the Consulate, they weren't "sent", so you're yourself engaging in inaccurate language and portrayal of the event.........I thought that was common knowledge....


Oh and the consulate attack/battle from approx. 942 pm until approx. 1120 pm.....it wasn't over in "minutes"...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19587068



and as far as "stand down", no it wasn't a politician that coined that phrase, it was-

Original article: Here's something that could alter the discussion on the attacks in Benghazi: According to Fox News national security correspondent Jennifer Griffin, CIA operators on the scene repeatedly transmitted requests for military backup but were denied by U.S. officials. Not only that but the CIA operatives were also told twice to "stand down" rather than assist U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens after shots were heard at about 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

CIA Denies Calling Off Backup in Benghazi - John Hudson - The Atlantic Wire


If you are calling Griffin a yellow journalist, well she quoted it, which in common parlance means shes quoting her source, and as we have seen sources have been scarce as to coming out and telling their stories.......it may be true and then, it may not, I suspect we will be getting clearer explanations and more detail.

for your perusal-

The account from Gregory Hicks is in stark contrast to assertions from the Obama administration, which insisted that nobody was ever told to stand down and that all available resources were utilized. Hicks gave private testimony to congressional investigators last month in advance of his upcoming appearance at a congressional hearing Wednesday.

According to excerpts released Monday, Hicks told investigators that SOCAFRICA commander Lt. Col. Gibson and his team were on their way to board a C-130 from Tripoli for Benghazi prior to an attack on a second U.S. compound “when [Col. Gibson] got a phone call from SOCAFRICA which said, ‘you can’t go now, you don’t have the authority to go now.’ And so they missed the flight … They were told not to board the flight, so they missed it.”…

Whistle-blower: Benghazi rescue team told to stand down before second deadly attack | WashingtonExaminer.com

now as far as getting off the ground in tripoli, could you link to that snip, ala permission from Libya to use that aircraft? I'd like to see the time-line and personnel involved in that....aside from Lt. Col. Gibson...

And I will say straight away; if its your contention that it was more important to secure Libyan permission and collaborating with the Libyan "government" in getting there ( a gov. btw, that was supposed to be providing security support for Stevens btw) ' after sptting a multinational civil war, bombing and assisting them which resulted in the assassination of Qaddafi, while the consulate is actively under siege, well, I find the postulation that we had to defer to the Libyan gov. ridiculous.

 

[Trajan]

Oh? So it is your belief that ther was some effort to protect them that was taken -- but which just, sadly, fell a little short of that objective?

Pray tell.

What was done?

You see that "two of the four Americans killed that night died hours after the first attack began"?

Those two were part of a rescue team sent in to help. tinydancer and other piss drinkers like yourself have to constantly wipe that part from their memories when this is explained to them.

The consulate attack was over in minutes. There was no way the first two who were killed could have been saved by a rescue team. None. Zip. Zilch. Impossible.

The CIA annex responded within 20 minutes of hearing of the attack. They sent a rescue team to the consulate and picked up the survivors and brought them back to the annex.

Two lies have been manufactured just around these simple facts. One: "Obama watched as the Ambassador died". Two: "A seven hour battle at the consulate".

The attack on the consulate was over in minutes. Clearly, the liars are not the slightest bit interested in the truth.

Moving on, a rescue team from Tripoli arrived at the annex. Got that? A rescue team was sent from Tripoli to help. Let that FACT sink in.

Seven and a half hours after the consulate attack, a second attack occurred at a separate location. The annex. And during this attack, two of the rescuers were killed.

Now let THAT sink in.

You ******* idiots keep claiming there were "stand down orders" and that no help was sent and then you wail and gnash your teeth in faux outrage over a couple of guys FROM THE RESCUE TEAM who died!

*******. Amazing. How do you flip flop all this shit around in your skulls without suffering serious cognitive dissonance?

Oh, yeah. You have to be cognitive first...

A second rescue team was also forming up in Tripoli. Their plan was to board a Libyan C-130.

Got that? A C-130 that belonged to the Libyans. And that means they needed permission from the Libyan government to use that plane.

A State Department official busted his ass trying to get authorization from the appropriate Libyan authorities.

However, he did not get permission before the C-130 left, and so the second rescue team was told they could not go on that plane. "You can't go now." But the assholes who want to perpetuate the "stand down order" MYTH, truncate that to "you can't go". A HUGE lie of omission.

This has been manufactured into a "stand down order" by idiots who have no clue how the military works. They don't know what a stand down order is. They are misusing the term.

You only hear idiot politicians and yellow journalists using that term. Read the testimony. Only an asshole politician uses it, and he totally misuses it.

The second rescue team was finally able to get on another plane and fly to Benghazi, but they were too late.

Now let THOSE "startling new details" sink into your thick heads.

So what do we have from the shitbirds? Several lies. Obama dispassionately watching the Ambassador die through the lens of a drone. No rescue team sent. A stand down order.

You would have to be a special kind of idiot to believe these people are after the truth. You fools have weaved an entirely false fantasy surrounding the events which actually occurred.

Uhm ... the question was "what was DONE?"

(And your timeline is dubious.)

But still. What was DONE?

*shrugs* there was a spec-op squad with a MC-130 P Talon 2 in Croatia, flying time to Benghazi- approx. 4 hours ....

 

[francoHFW]

Really? How many ambassadors died under Bush? I'll give you a hint. None.

U.S. ambassadors killed in line of duty: Chris Stevens was the sixth, here are the other five.

.

and yet...

​

Let me see if I have this correct, are you saying Ambassador Stevens life is more important than the 60 American diplomats that were killed on Bush's watch?


"U.S. President Ronald Reagan on April 18 [1983] denounced the "vicious terrorist bombing" as a "cowardly act," saying, "This criminal act on a diplomatic establishment will not deter us from our goals of peace in the region."[3] Two envoys, Philip C. Habib and Morris Draper, continued their peace mission in Beirut to discuss Lebanese troop withdrawals with a renewed sense of urgency."
.

President Bush did not lie that these attacks were based on a video.

These excuses won't fly. We're in the here and now and Obama, Clinton and others are up a proverbial shit creek with out a paddle.

They fabricated this story knowing full well it was a terror attack.

Only Pub liars know the motives of the attackers. BS! There WERE 20+ other attacks and protests in the ME in reaction to that RW video earlier that DAY. DUH. And the closest fighters were in Italy 5 hrs away. No lies, no coverup, just a tidal of Pubcrappe, for dupes only.

 

[Trajan]

only to nutters....

Oh? So it is your belief that ther was some effort to protect them that was taken -- but which just, sadly, fell a little short of that objective?

Pray tell.

What was done?

You would have to be a special kind of idiot to believe these people are after the truth. You fools have weaved an entirely false fantasy surrounding the events which actually occurred.

people see truth differently, I would wager, having having been a lawyer advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal, Hillary is re-thinking her previous testimony....

 

[Trajan]

Bush had 10 (at least) attacks under his watchful closed eyes. I don't recall much of an uproar...how about you?

Really? How many ambassadors died under Bush? I'll give you a hint. None.

U.S. ambassadors killed in line of duty: Chris Stevens was the sixth, here are the other five.

.

and yet...

​

Let me see if I have this correct, are you saying Ambassador Stevens life is more important than the 60 American diplomats that were killed on Bush's watch?


"U.S. President Ronald Reagan on April 18 [1983] denounced the "vicious terrorist bombing" as a "cowardly act," saying, "This criminal act on a diplomatic establishment will not deter us from our goals of peace in the region."[3] Two envoys, Philip C. Habib and Morris Draper, continued their peace mission in Beirut to discuss Lebanese troop withdrawals with a renewed sense of urgency."
.

I would go through each one of those and explain to you why using them is a HUGE mischaracterization and a very poor analogy construct but, I have been round the barn with you before, you cannot be educated......enjoy the soma.

 

[rdean]

Just watching the news. Seems the Pentagon told 4 soldiers in Tripoli to NOT go to Benghazi, but to stay in Tripoli because that is strategically more important. And they couldn't bring jets from Italy because there were no airborne tankers to refuel them.

Let me explain something obvious. When Republicans jump from charge to charge, they are looking for "something". Not leaving any stone unturned. So far, they have "Obama lied". But like the boy who cried "wolf" and cried and cried, they've worn out that old charge.

Worse for them, WE KNOW Republicans have lied about everything. About WMD's, about not attacking the poor, about being shills for rich, about insisting Iraq would only cost 200 million, about being responsible for taking out Bin Laden (who they previously let go) and about Benghazi?

Think about it, just the FACT that Clinton warned Republicans in congress that if they keep cutting embassy security budgets, something will happen.

YAWL better not hope some tape with Ryan or Issa or some Republican doesn't pop up with them saying, "If we kill embassy budgets and someone dies, we can blame it on Obama and Clinton. Two birds with one stone".

 

[francoHFW]

#77- Think? LOL, dupe.

 

[Freewill]

A lot of people are proud that Obama was able to get away with that. The ability to keep the media so docile and the nerve to stand before America and coolly parse and deflect to obscure the facts are considered positive traits to them. Well, since it's Democrats who did it it is considered positive.

If it had been Republicans, the Democrats and their media would not have let this happen.

Bush had 10 (at least) attacks under his watchful closed eyes. I don't recall much of an uproar...how about you?

I am really, really getting tired of you on the left trying to sell us more of your BS. You have to have seen my posts where I have shown the lying left that there were at least two more attacks under Obama where in one an diplomatic aide was killed. There were NONE during Bush. So what we have is attacks other then Benghazi under both Bush and Obama and no one is raising a fuss. What we have is other Americans being killed under Obama and no one is raising a fuss. But Benghazi is different and you damn well know it. So quit playing this card it is a joker and makes you look like a loser.

 

[earlycuyler]

Face the Nation transcripts May 5, 2013: Benghazi and gay athletes - Issa, Rogers, Ruppersberger - CBS News


I'm startled. Startled.

How about you?

Bob Schieffer: Today only on Face the Nation, startling new details about the Benghazi attack from the number two American official in Libya and the impact of gay athletes on American sports and American life. It's been almost eight months since the attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi that killed us ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans. We'll get new details today and more insight into the stunning contradictions between the president of Libya and Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice when they appeared after the attack on Face the Nation.

Bob Schieffer's claim to be surprised by revelations about Benghazi at this late date is a self-indictment for not being a diligent member of the fourth estate. And why was the media so lax? Hmmmmm .....

Stop startling me. Stop it.

 

[Freewill]

Benghazi is BS. Hillary fell on her head and forgot why it does matter, So what.

What the war criminal Obama should be being investigated for is the war crime of the drone program. He should be up for charges for the killing of at least 3 Americans which may have been terrorists or not. One has to trust the same CIA that was torturing people and the left really didn't like that much. But worse of all Obama's program killed a 16 year old American who was not a terrorist and was not in he company of a terrorist. THAT should get Obama before the Hague but apparently the world don't care.

 

[Amelia]

Face the Nation transcripts May 5, 2013: Benghazi and gay athletes - Issa, Rogers, Ruppersberger - CBS News


I'm startled. Startled.

How about you?

Bob Schieffer: Today only on Face the Nation, startling new details about the Benghazi attack from the number two American official in Libya and the impact of gay athletes on American sports and American life. It's been almost eight months since the attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi that killed us ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans. We'll get new details today and more insight into the stunning contradictions between the president of Libya and Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice when they appeared after the attack on Face the Nation.

Bob Schieffer's claim to be surprised by revelations about Benghazi at this late date is a self-indictment for not being a diligent member of the fourth estate. And why was the media so lax? Hmmmmm .....

Stop startling me. Stop it.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3w3Tm2e72g]Guinea Pig Attack on South Park[/ame]

 

[rdean]

Benghazi is BS. Hillary fell on her head and forgot why it does matter, So what.

What the war criminal Obama should be being investigated for is the war crime of the drone program. He should be up for charges for the killing of at least 3 Americans which may have been terrorists or not. One has to trust the same CIA that was torturing people and the left really didn't like that much. But worse of all Obama's program killed a 16 year old American who was not a terrorist and was not in he company of a terrorist. THAT should get Obama before the Hague but apparently the world don't care.

One thing she remembered is asking congress to stop cutting the security budgets for embassies around the world nearly a year before Benghazi.

 

[rdean]

Just watching the news. Seems the Pentagon told 4 soldiers in Tripoli to NOT go to Benghazi, but to stay in Tripoli because that is strategically more important. And they couldn't bring jets from Italy because there were no airborne tankers to refuel them.

Let me explain something obvious. When Republicans jump from charge to charge, they are looking for "something". Not leaving any stone unturned. So far, they have "Obama lied". But like the boy who cried "wolf" and cried and cried, they've worn out that old charge.

Worse for them, WE KNOW Republicans have lied about everything. About WMD's, about not attacking the poor, about being shills for rich, about insisting Iraq would only cost 200 million, about being responsible for taking out Bin Laden (who they previously let go) and about Benghazi?

Think about it, just the FACT that Clinton warned Republicans in congress that if they keep cutting embassy security budgets, something will happen.

YAWL better not hope some tape with Ryan or Issa or some Republican doesn't pop up with them saying, "If we kill embassy budgets and someone dies, we can blame it on Obama and Clinton. Two birds with one stone".

The more I think about it, the more hilarious it would be. Republicans have damaging tape on everything else. Why not this?

 

[tinydancer]

Benghazi is BS. Hillary fell on her head and forgot why it does matter, So what.

What the war criminal Obama should be being investigated for is the war crime of the drone program. He should be up for charges for the killing of at least 3 Americans which may have been terrorists or not. One has to trust the same CIA that was torturing people and the left really didn't like that much. But worse of all Obama's program killed a 16 year old American who was not a terrorist and was not in he company of a terrorist. THAT should get Obama before the Hague but apparently the world don't care.

One thing she remembered is asking congress to stop cutting the security budgets for embassies around the world nearly a year before Benghazi.

If it was a budgetary question, how did they find the money to hire Libyan militias to supposedly guard Ambassador Stevens?

You do know that some one came up with that bright idea correct? Put American lives in the hands of Libyan militias.

State Department had the money for those men who abandoned Ambassador Stevens and the others when the terrorists attacked.