Stalinism Solves Problem of Minorities

[PoliticalChic]

I think you are one of the NOT GOOD people you seem to think everyone is OP

Oh, my poor sad friend....

...I know you pretend that I said that.

But you know that what I, and James Madison said, is that humans are not angels.

....so, you believe that everyone is good?


1. Dennis Prager: “The Left would like to believe that people are basically good. Therefore the Left declares people to be basically good…..[/B]The Left would like to believe that all countries, cultures, and individuals want the same things-a peaceful, tolerant, open, free society. Therefore, they believe it.

First, let's correct Prager's statement - Liberals believe that people are basically good. Therefore the liberal declares people to be basically good…Liberals believe that all countries, cultures, and individuals want the same things - a peaceful, tolerant, open, free society.

We agree on liberal beliefs, so let's look at what conservatives believe?

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone

Classical liberals assume a natural equality of humans; conservatives assume a natural hierarchy.
James M. Buchanan


Now PC, which set of beliefs could spawn the climate and circumstance where groups of people are ostracized, condemned and in extreme cases, exterminated?

You and Prager reinforce what 88 different psychological studies conducted between 1958 and 2002 that involved 22,818 people from 12 different countries clearly shows:

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians



RUSSIA: Conservative Dictator
Monday, Aug. 08, 1927

RUSSIA: Conservative Dictator - TIME

"Now PC, which set of beliefs could spawn the climate and circumstance where groups of people are ostracized, condemned and in extreme cases, exterminated?"

As evidenced by history, every totalitarian regime: communism, nazism, progressivism.....

and every permutation thereof.

In short, 'big government' philosophies.

 

[Ravi]

Stalin was very conservative. He wanted all the power concentrated in his hands. Quite the opposite of Marxism, which wanted everyone to be equally powerful.

Stalin was a rightwingloon just like Hitler was a rightwingloon.

 

[Artevelde]

Stalin was very conservative. He wanted all the power concentrated in his hands. Quite the opposite of Marxism, which wanted everyone to be equally powerful.

Stalin was a rightwingloon just like Hitler was a rightwingloon.

That is complete nonsense.

 

[Bfgrn]

Oh, my poor sad friend....

...I know you pretend that I said that.

But you know that what I, and James Madison said, is that humans are not angels.

....so, you believe that everyone is good?


1. Dennis Prager: “The Left would like to believe that people are basically good. Therefore the Left declares people to be basically good…..[/B]The Left would like to believe that all countries, cultures, and individuals want the same things-a peaceful, tolerant, open, free society. Therefore, they believe it.

First, let's correct Prager's statement - Liberals believe that people are basically good. Therefore the liberal declares people to be basically good…Liberals believe that all countries, cultures, and individuals want the same things - a peaceful, tolerant, open, free society.

We agree on liberal beliefs, so let's look at what conservatives believe?

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone

Classical liberals assume a natural equality of humans; conservatives assume a natural hierarchy.
James M. Buchanan


Now PC, which set of beliefs could spawn the climate and circumstance where groups of people are ostracized, condemned and in extreme cases, exterminated?

You and Prager reinforce what 88 different psychological studies conducted between 1958 and 2002 that involved 22,818 people from 12 different countries clearly shows:

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians



RUSSIA: Conservative Dictator
Monday, Aug. 08, 1927

RUSSIA: Conservative Dictator - TIME

"Now PC, which set of beliefs could spawn the climate and circumstance where groups of people are ostracized, condemned and in extreme cases, exterminated?"

As evidenced by history, every totalitarian regime: communism, nazism, progressivism.....

and every permutation thereof.

In short, 'big government' philosophies.

Clearly you didn't think, you merely emote.

As evidenced by history, conservatives have NEVER given us less government. Unless you consider less government, less people being part of the process. For 8 years we had 'the decider'. WHERE were the cries for less government when Bush and Cheney were shredding the Constitution?

The last time conservatives whined about big government was during the Clinton years. Do you see a pattern there PC?

I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion.
Thomas Jefferson

 

[Bfgrn]

Stalin was very conservative. He wanted all the power concentrated in his hands. Quite the opposite of Marxism, which wanted everyone to be equally powerful.

Stalin was a rightwingloon just like Hitler was a rightwingloon.

That is complete nonsense.

Really? Expand...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Stalin was very conservative. He wanted all the power concentrated in his hands. Quite the opposite of Marxism, which wanted everyone to be equally powerful.

Stalin was a rightwingloon just like Hitler was a rightwingloon.

"He wanted all the power concentrated in his hands."


Pretty much the definition of 'big government,' isn't it.

That makes it Left wing.

 

[Artevelde]

Stalin was very conservative. He wanted all the power concentrated in his hands. Quite the opposite of Marxism, which wanted everyone to be equally powerful.

Stalin was a rightwingloon just like Hitler was a rightwingloon.

That is complete nonsense.

Really? Expand...

It is the usual left wing nonsense of saying Stalin wasn't really a Communist. Of course he was. And the same anti-human and anti-democratic tendencies are endemic in all Communist regimes and Communist parties.

To claim Stalin was a conservative is also preposterous. He was th exact opposite: a revolutionary.

 

[PoliticalChic]

First, let's correct Prager's statement - Liberals believe that people are basically good. Therefore the liberal declares people to be basically good…Liberals believe that all countries, cultures, and individuals want the same things - a peaceful, tolerant, open, free society.

We agree on liberal beliefs, so let's look at what conservatives believe?

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone

Classical liberals assume a natural equality of humans; conservatives assume a natural hierarchy.
James M. Buchanan


Now PC, which set of beliefs could spawn the climate and circumstance where groups of people are ostracized, condemned and in extreme cases, exterminated?

You and Prager reinforce what 88 different psychological studies conducted between 1958 and 2002 that involved 22,818 people from 12 different countries clearly shows:

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians



RUSSIA: Conservative Dictator
Monday, Aug. 08, 1927

RUSSIA: Conservative Dictator - TIME

"Now PC, which set of beliefs could spawn the climate and circumstance where groups of people are ostracized, condemned and in extreme cases, exterminated?"

As evidenced by history, every totalitarian regime: communism, nazism, progressivism.....

and every permutation thereof.

In short, 'big government' philosophies.

Clearly you didn't think, you merely emote.

As evidenced by history, conservatives have NEVER given us less government. Unless you consider less government, less people being part of the process. For 8 years we had 'the decider'. WHERE were the cries for less government when Bush and Cheney were shredding the Constitution?

The last time conservatives whined about big government was during the Clinton years. Do you see a pattern there PC?

I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion.
Thomas Jefferson

As usual, the Leftist...you....claim the opponent is what, in fact, he is.


Emote?
Try to be more articulate. "Emote' refers to acting.
What you mean to say is 'allow feelings to direct you..."
You're welcome.

Not true in either case.


Because the Left relies on feelings and intentions, wisdom and the existing moral value system don’t count for much. The comparison with conservatives would be the reliance on data and experience, and tradition. Recall the Left-wing baby boomer war-cry: “Never trust anyone over thirty!” Consider the meaning: There is nothing to be learned from anyone older than thirty…hence, the ‘…old dead white men…” theme.

Note how this morphs into the adulation of youth. Therein lies the choice: youth, or wisdom. And the result is what our universities have become, no longer the repository of knowledge, instead, support for Marxist ideas, nuclear disarmament, beliefs that America was no different from the Soviet Union, sympathetic views toward Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, and support for a whole host of Left-wing memes.
Prager, "Still The Best Hope."

 

[Ravi]

Stalin was very conservative. He wanted all the power concentrated in his hands. Quite the opposite of Marxism, which wanted everyone to be equally powerful.

Stalin was a rightwingloon just like Hitler was a rightwingloon.

"He wanted all the power concentrated in his hands."


Pretty much the definition of 'big government,' isn't it.

That makes it Left wing.

Nice try. In reality, "small government" is concentrating power in the hands of a few. Exactly what Stalin did. That he pretended to embrace communism was to get the dupes to go along with him.

 

[Artevelde]

Stalin was very conservative. He wanted all the power concentrated in his hands. Quite the opposite of Marxism, which wanted everyone to be equally powerful.

Stalin was a rightwingloon just like Hitler was a rightwingloon.

"He wanted all the power concentrated in his hands."


Pretty much the definition of 'big government,' isn't it.

That makes it Left wing.

Nice try. In reality, "small government" is concentrating power in the hands of a few. Exactly what Stalin did. That he pretended to embrace communism was to get the dupes to go along with him.

No, that's dictatorship - an integral part of Communism. Are you trying hard to be so stupid?

 

[Ravi]

"He wanted all the power concentrated in his hands."


Pretty much the definition of 'big government,' isn't it.

That makes it Left wing.

Nice try. In reality, "small government" is concentrating power in the hands of a few. Exactly what Stalin did. That he pretended to embrace communism was to get the dupes to go along with him.

No, that's dictatorship - an integral part of Communism. Are you trying hard to be so stupid?

I realize you are happy with your own warped view of events. Doesn't change the facts though.

 

[Artevelde]

Nice try. In reality, "small government" is concentrating power in the hands of a few. Exactly what Stalin did. That he pretended to embrace communism was to get the dupes to go along with him.

No, that's dictatorship - an integral part of Communism. Are you trying hard to be so stupid?

I realize you are happy with your own warped view of events. Doesn't change the facts though.

The facts are what you can't deal with.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Stalin was very conservative. He wanted all the power concentrated in his hands. Quite the opposite of Marxism, which wanted everyone to be equally powerful.

Stalin was a rightwingloon just like Hitler was a rightwingloon.

"He wanted all the power concentrated in his hands."


Pretty much the definition of 'big government,' isn't it.

That makes it Left wing.

Nice try. In reality, "small government" is concentrating power in the hands of a few. Exactly what Stalin did. That he pretended to embrace communism was to get the dupes to go along with him.

Purposely misunderstanding?

See if you can do the same with this.
Conservatism: based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

None of which are doctrines of Progressivism, modern Liberalism, Leftism, communism, socialism, environmentalism, feminism, or, in fact, any of your most deeply held beliefs.

See what you can do with that.

 

[Bfgrn]

"He wanted all the power concentrated in his hands."


Pretty much the definition of 'big government,' isn't it.

That makes it Left wing.

Nice try. In reality, "small government" is concentrating power in the hands of a few. Exactly what Stalin did. That he pretended to embrace communism was to get the dupes to go along with him.

Purposely misunderstanding?

See if you can do the same with this.
Conservatism: based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

None of which are doctrines of Progressivism, modern Liberalism, Leftism, communism, socialism, environmentalism, feminism, or, in fact, any of your most deeply held beliefs.

See what you can do with that.

Please describe conservatism in Russia. Do Russian conservatives embrace individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government?

Conservatism is based on latitude, longitude and date of birth.

The truth: the closest model to what American conservatives would turn America into is found in Russia.

Russia is a deeply conservative country.

Fiscal policy is buttressed on a low, flat rate of income tax (13%), and there is virtually no social safety net, with spending on unemployment security, medical provision, disability aid, infrastructure, the environment, and urban regeneration far lower, in both absolute terms and as a percentage of GDP, than its G8 contemporaries.

Similarly, military spending is high in comparison — and growing — medical care is available free in theory, but requires private insurance or additional cash payment in practice, and businesses are in reality pretty un-regulated.

If that doesn’t sound to you like a set of policies Newt Gingrich or William F Buckley would support, then you don’t know your dyed in the wool conservatives from your woolly jumper wearing liberals.

 

[Bfgrn]

That is complete nonsense.

Really? Expand...

It is the usual left wing nonsense of saying Stalin wasn't really a Communist. Of course he was. And the same anti-human and anti-democratic tendencies are endemic in all Communist regimes and Communist parties.

To claim Stalin was a conservative is also preposterous. He was th exact opposite: a revolutionary.

I never said Stalin wasn't really a Communist. Of course he was. But Communism is not a liberal belief. Socialism is.

Socialism is liberal. More people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the economy works. Democracy is liberal. More people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the government works. "Democracy," said Marx, "is the road to socialism." He was wrong about how economics and politics interact, but he did see their similar underpinnings.

Communism is conservative. Fewer and fewer people (preferably just the Party Secretary) have any say in how the economy works. Republicans are conservative. Fewer and fewer people (preferably just people controlling the Party figurehead) have any say in how the government works. The conservatives in the US are in the same position as the communists in the 30s, and for the same reason: Their revolutions failed spectacularly but they refuse to admit what went wrong.

"I always believed as a speechwriter that if you could persuade the president to commit himself to certain words, he would feel himself committed to the ideas that underlay those words. And the big shock to me has been that although the president said the words, he just did not absorb the ideas. And that is the root of, maybe, everything."
David Frum - Speechwriter for George W. Bush

 

[JakeStarkey]

What an interesting day, June 26th of 1931 was.

1. The New York Times headline was "Stalinism Solving Minorities Problem."
The article was based on cables the Times correspondent, WALTER DURANTY, sent based on his experience in Moscow.

His lead paragraphs:
"PARIS. June 25—One of the most evident ways in which Soviet Russia is modifying Marxism is in the matter of nationalities and Soviet federation, for which Joseph Stalin is directly responsible as Commissar of Nationalities during the period prior to 1923, when the Constitution of the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics was adopted and the commissariat in question abolished.

Karl Marx conceived of the establishment of a proletarian dictatorship in a highly industrialized state, where the actual majority of the population would be urban workers speaking the same language and having the same needs, habits and aims. For this homegeneous majority the elimination or absorption of other classes and sections of the population would be a relatively simple matter, once it gained political power and held the economic reins."
Walter Duranty -* STALINISM SOLVING MINORITIES PROBLEM - New York Times - 26 June 1931


2. In his book "Dupes," Dr. Paul Kangor focuses on the Westerners seduced by communism, and Duranty is a perfect example.

a. Kangor says: Dupes, in this connection, are folks who have been used by the communists to believe that either the communists are just like them, and therefore deserve their protection, or have been led to believe that the communist party is no more menacing than any other American political party.


3. Stalin's method was simple and straightforward: "...the Ukrainian famine, known as the Holodomor, or death by hunger....We may never know how many died of starvation in 1932-33. Yushchenko and others speak of 10 million, or about a third of the population of Ukraine."
Genocide or not, Stalin starved millions to death and Soviet regime concealed for 54 years « Current Politics in Ukraine


4."... the Pulitzer Prize was given to Walter Duranty of The New York Times. Mr Duranty, a Harrow-educated Englishman, won the prize for 1932 articles that argued Stalin was "doing the best for the Soviet masses". The same articles neglected both the facts of the deportation of hundreds of thousands and the beginnings of the Ukrainian famine, in which millions perished. The Great Depression was on and many New York Times editors saw the Soviet Union as an intriguing economic model. The Pulitzer committee duly canonised Duranty, concluding his work was "marked by scholarship, profundity, impartiality"*. Their award was a gift to Duranty - but an even greater one to Stalin."
Amity Shlaes, “Why Soviet history is back in vogue” (Financial Times, Aug. 25, 2003)


Of course, dupes are still a factor in American politics, aren't they....how else to explain the closeness of the polls?

BTW....the Pulitzer folks never took back the NYTimes award.


Heed the warning of George Santayana when you vote in November.

SCOTUS, in the USA, empowers the issues of minorities.

What a great country!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nice try. In reality, "small government" is concentrating power in the hands of a few. Exactly what Stalin did. That he pretended to embrace communism was to get the dupes to go along with him.

Purposely misunderstanding?

See if you can do the same with this.
Conservatism: based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

None of which are doctrines of Progressivism, modern Liberalism, Leftism, communism, socialism, environmentalism, feminism, or, in fact, any of your most deeply held beliefs.

See what you can do with that.

Please describe conservatism in Russia. Do Russian conservatives embrace individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government?

Conservatism is based on latitude, longitude and date of birth.

The truth: the closest model to what American conservatives would turn America into is found in Russia.

Russia is a deeply conservative country.

Fiscal policy is buttressed on a low, flat rate of income tax (13%), and there is virtually no social safety net, with spending on unemployment security, medical provision, disability aid, infrastructure, the environment, and urban regeneration far lower, in both absolute terms and as a percentage of GDP, than its G8 contemporaries.

Similarly, military spending is high in comparison — and growing — medical care is available free in theory, but requires private insurance or additional cash payment in practice, and businesses are in reality pretty un-regulated.

If that doesn’t sound to you like a set of policies Newt Gingrich or William F Buckley would support, then you don’t know your dyed in the wool conservatives from your woolly jumper wearing liberals.

"Please describe conservatism in Russia"

No.

"Conservatism is based on latitude, longitude and date of birth."

Wrong.


"the closest model to what American conservatives...blah blah blah..."

Classical liberals, what we call conservatives today, produced the Declaration of Independence, and the United States Constitution.

Read 'em.

 

[mememe]

The Nazi horrors pale in comparison to what Stalin ... did as communists.

And, pray, what did Stalin do exactly?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nothing pales on the Board in comparison to what PC foists on its membership.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nothing pales on the Board in comparison to what PC foists on its membership.

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