Stalinism Solves Problem of Minorities

[mememe]

You're just the Communist equivalent of a holocaust denier.

Am I to understand your outburst is a hight of American edumacated argument? Sort of: shout out a slogan and your opponent will cower into submission?
Maybe it works in your world, but it doesn't impress others.

 

[mememe]

You're just a liar. Not much use debating somebody who denies facts.

Why don't you have a cup of tamazepam, calm down and present me with facts (with sources) supporting your rumblings?

 

[mememe]

So, ladies and gents,

WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FAMINE OF 1930-s IN POLAND, HUNGARY, GERMANY, ROMANIA, SLOVAKIAN REGIONS and THE USA?

 

[Artevelde]

You're just the Communist equivalent of a holocaust denier.

Am I to understand your outburst is a hight of American edumacated argument? Sort of: shout out a slogan and your opponent will cower into submission?
Maybe it works in your world, but it doesn't impress others.

Learn English.

And I'm not American.

 

[mememe]

You're just the Communist equivalent of a holocaust denier.

Am I to understand your outburst is a hight of American edumacated argument? Sort of: shout out a slogan and your opponent will cower into submission?
Maybe it works in your world, but it doesn't impress others.

Learn English.

And I'm not American.

Just because you live outside of the US TERRITORY, doesn't mean you are outside of US propaganda sphere. And your hysterical responses suggest that you are a product of US culture of holding a discussion.

Can you answer me WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FAMINE OF 1930-s IN POLAND, HUNGARY, GERMANY, ROMANIA, SLOVAKIAN REGIONS and THE USA?

 

[daveman]

Did it? How?

Yes, it did.

Your willful and profound ignorance will be cured .

Did some people resist collectivisation? Yes.
Did others embrace collectivisation? Yes.

What happens in US (or any other country for that matter) to those who steal or damage other people's/state/corporate property? They are punished in accordance with the law. So, why it should've been different in the USSR?

I am not even going to analyse your numbers for the "livestock"; I am simply going to ask you: how many famines did the Soviet Union suffer from 1933 onwards?

As for "Stalin confined in Churchill during Yalta conference" -- it really made my day!

Still, my question stands: IF STALIN AND COLLECTIVISATION WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FAMINE IN THE USSR IN 1930-s, THEN WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FAMINE OF 1930-s IN POLAND, HUNGARY, ROMANIA, GERMANY AND THE USA?

PS
In future, when you wish to operate figures regarding the aspects of life in the SOVIET UNION, please use SOVIET documents and not your own epistolary genre

I see you've chosen to bitterly cling to your willful and profound ignorance.

Communists are stupid, kid. Especially those who deny the atrocities committed in the name of Communism.

One day you may grow up, boy. The chances are slim, but it's still a possibility. Then you'll realize you've been lied to and Communism isn't all posing gloriously around tractors and the arm-in-arm march towards global enlightenment.

It's nothing but pain and suffering and oppression and lakes of blood.

And you're a fucking idiot.

 

[kowalskil]

Murder many millions of people. Set up an enormous network of concentration camps. ...

1. GULAG was not a system of "concentration camps"; it was part of PENAL SYSTEM with labour camps and settlements.

Concentration camps were in the USA for US citizens of Japanese ethnicity.

2. Please, elaborate on your "murdered many millions of people". How? Where?

You're just a liar. Not much use debating somebody who denies facts.

The LAG (in the word GULAG) stands for CAMPS, in Russian.

 

[regent]

All set to do my research on those nations that practice or have practiced Marxian communism, so can someone name the countries that have or are practicing Marxian communism today?
Of course there are none, and never has been one, yet some try to whip Americans into a panic that we might suddenly turn into a communist nation because we will eventually have health care for its citizens. Does it work, how many Americans believe the sun revolves about the earth?

There have been many Communist regimes and there still are a few around. They are among the most repressive, anti-human and murderous experiences in human history.

Well can you name some Marxian communist nations that are still in existance or once existed? One will do. But, I am asking for Marxian communist nations, not nations that call themselves communist but are simply the old dictatorships that the world has had since one guy in the tribe found himself bigger than all the others.

 

[Artevelde]

All set to do my research on those nations that practice or have practiced Marxian communism, so can someone name the countries that have or are practicing Marxian communism today?
Of course there are none, and never has been one, yet some try to whip Americans into a panic that we might suddenly turn into a communist nation because we will eventually have health care for its citizens. Does it work, how many Americans believe the sun revolves about the earth?

There have been many Communist regimes and there still are a few around. They are among the most repressive, anti-human and murderous experiences in human history.

Well can you name some Marxian communist nations that are still in existance or once existed? One will do. But, I am asking for Marxian communist nations, not nations that call themselves communist but are simply the old dictatorships that the world has had since one guy in the tribe found himself bigger than all the others.

That is such a tired old line of the apologists for Communism. Current existing Communist regimes are for example those in North Korea and Cuba. China and Vietnam are technically also still Communist, but have moved far away from Communism in their economic policies.

Communism = mass murder.

 

[regent]

There have been many Communist regimes and there still are a few around. They are among the most repressive, anti-human and murderous experiences in human history.

Well can you name some Marxian communist nations that are still in existance or once existed? One will do. But, I am asking for Marxian communist nations, not nations that call themselves communist but are simply the old dictatorships that the world has had since one guy in the tribe found himself bigger than all the others.

That is such a tired old line of the apologists for Communism. Current existing Communist regimes are for example those in North Korea and Cuba. China and Vietnam are technically also still Communist, but have moved far away from Communism in their economic policies.

Communism = mass murder.

China never practiced Marxian communism nor has any country, and if China had practiced Marxian communism but moved away from the communist economic program would it still be a communist nation?

 

[mememe]

One day you may grow up, boy. .

As I thought:
You lived all your life with a notion that Stalin was responsible for the famine in the USSR, yet,when faced with a simple fact: at the start of 1930-s famine was rife not only in the USSR, but also in Germany, Slovakian territories, Romania, Hungary, Poland and USA, you don't know how to explain it.

 

[Bfgrn]

It is the usual left wing nonsense of saying Stalin wasn't really a Communist. Of course he was. And the same anti-human and anti-democratic tendencies are endemic in all Communist regimes and Communist parties.

To claim Stalin was a conservative is also preposterous. He was th exact opposite: a revolutionary.

I never said Stalin wasn't really a Communist. Of course he was. But Communism is not a liberal belief. Socialism is.

Socialism is liberal. More people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the economy works. Democracy is liberal. More people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the government works. "Democracy," said Marx, "is the road to socialism." He was wrong about how economics and politics interact, but he did see their similar underpinnings.

Communism is conservative. Fewer and fewer people (preferably just the Party Secretary) have any say in how the economy works. Republicans are conservative. Fewer and fewer people (preferably just people controlling the Party figurehead) have any say in how the government works. The conservatives in the US are in the same position as the communists in the 30s, and for the same reason: Their revolutions failed spectacularly but they refuse to admit what went wrong.

"I always believed as a speechwriter that if you could persuade the president to commit himself to certain words, he would feel himself committed to the ideas that underlay those words. And the big shock to me has been that although the president said the words, he just did not absorb the ideas. And that is the root of, maybe, everything."
David Frum - Speechwriter for George W. Bush

This is a complete and wilful misrepresentation of what Conservatism is about.

This is complete and willful ignorance of what conservatism is in other countries and cultures. Your major problem is your parochial indoctrination. You want American conservatism to define all the conservatism on the planet. It doesn't.

Do Russian conservatives embrace individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government?

No, they don't. As a matter of fact, Russia had their own 'tea party' movement in the late 1980's.

Soviet Conservatives Try to Turn Back the Clock on Gorbachev's Policies

February 27, 1989

Russian conservatives, uneasy with the liberalization of Soviet society under Mikhail S. Gorbachev, have seized on the country's experiment in more democratic elections as a chance to fight for a return to more authoritarian ways.

While many candidates and voters say they view the elections to the new Congress of Deputies as a way to further the candor and freedoms allowed by the Soviet leader, conservatives in this city and around the country were boasting last week that they had already succeeded in blocking the nomination of several prominent people regarded as liberals.

A Disparate Alliance

The conservatives are a disparate alliance, including xenophobic fringe groups, like Pamyat, as well as large numbers of less extreme nationalists who yearn for what they see as the simple values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church.

At election rallies where speakers call out against the influence of ''Zionist forces,'' and in campaign leaflets decrying ''liberal yellow journalists,'' representatives of politically conservative organizations are trying to draft voters and candidates to establish a foothold within the Government.

'I Am a Stalinist'

''We brought our case to the people, and the outcome speaks for us,'' said Mr. Zherbin, whose group regards the liberalization of Soviet society as a conspiracy by Jews, Masons and Westernizers.

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[daveman]

One day you may grow up, boy. .

As I thought:
You lived all your life with a notion that Stalin was responsible for the famine in the USSR, yet,when faced with a simple fact: at the start of 1930-s famine was rife not only in the USSR, but also in Germany, Slovakian territories, Romania, Hungary, Poland and USA, you don't know how to explain it.

Are you saying the famine forced the collectivisation? That the famine made stealing food a capital crime? That the famine forced 5 million people into labor camps?

You might as well say it: "I'm a Useful Idiot."

And thanks for proving my point: Communists are stupid.

 

[mememe]

Are you saying the famine forced the collectivisation?

Where did I say that?!

Collectivisation would've taken place regardless because it was a NECESSITY in a country torn by revolutions, wars and economic ruin.

Btw, do you know how often famine struck Russian Empire prior to 1930-s?

The gobbldy-gook about Stalin's fault in causing famine is an utter nonsense designed for people who simply can't engage their brain or haven't got one.

1. Famines were frequent in Russian Empire way before Stalin;
2. In 1930-s famine happened not only in the USSR, but also in Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, Germany and the USA -- did Stalin cause it in all those countries?

 

[regent]

Of course, now if we really think about it, Americans must realize that FDR caused the dust bowl. How simple, and no one saw it before. Did we have a dust bowl before FDR and his New Deal, no, I don't think America even had dust. And now FDR came on the scene and suddenly dust, tons of dust, all ver parts of America, dust bowls. How come historians missed that little gambit?

 

[daveman]

Are you saying the famine forced the collectivisation?

Where did I say that?!

Collectivisation would've taken place regardless because it was a NECESSITY in a country torn by revolutions, wars and economic ruin.

Btw, do you know how often famine struck Russian Empire prior to 1930-s?

The gobbldy-gook about Stalin's fault in causing famine is an utter nonsense designed for people who simply can't engage their brain or haven't got one.

1. Famines were frequent in Russian Empire way before Stalin;
2. In 1930-s famine happened not only in the USSR, but also in Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, Germany and the USA -- did Stalin cause it in all those countries?

And you still refuse to admit Stalin's policies killed millions.

Communists are stupid.

 

[mememe]

And you still refuse to admit Stalin's policies killed millions.

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1. What "policies"?
2. How exactly did they "kill millions"?
3. Who caused famine in Germany, Romania, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland and the USA?