Special Counsel Jack Smith has withdrawn his case

[WorldWatcher]

I was careful to never once state that Trump owned those record. Yet you just made a false claim.

Trump clamed he owned the records. You can check the internet for the quotes yourself.

You can't get my simple comment right yet you think you know what happened with the Trump's records?

I know that the court filings and evidence says. Ya.

No crime, the archivists always new where the records were.

DIdn't say possession was the crime. Failure to return national defense informawtion (i.e. classified docuemnts) when so directed by an Officer of the United States Government was the crime. IIRC - Espionage Act section 793(e).

Further, a search of usmb will result in my posts being returned where I have posted the laws.

I've already posted the law.

We both do agree, obama"s records never went from white house to archivists, they went from white house to furniture warehouse

Now we don't agree. You claims that Obama kept 24 truck loads of documents and shipped them to an abandoned warehouse are fiction not reality.
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Press Statements in Response to Media Queries About Presidential Records

In response to recent media reports that generated a large number of queries about presidential records, we issued the following statements to the media: January 17, 2024, statement December 4, 2023, statement September 2, 2023, statement August 11, 2023, statement June 9, 2023, statement April...

www.archives.gov

Pure facts

That's what I've been posting with links for official sources.

You have been making false statements with no links/cites to official sources.

WW

 

[elektra]

Obama didn’t move documents.

Obama's documents were never ever physically in the possession of the archivist. You just demanded evidence from me.

The person who demands must first do as they say. You demanded evidence, good, provide your evidence that the archivists had possession of those 24 semi trucks of documents.

You should easily come up with the evidence to support your claims.

Also show is the evidence that the archivists had in regards to Trump as well.

 

[WorldWatcher]

then why were so many found years later in the Xiden garage, around his house, and in his office in DC?

What percentage of 34,000,000 pages is a few boxes accidently packed by staff when an office was closed down that upon discovery were immediatley returned and then the homeowner allowed a volutary search of the property?

BTW - You left off VP Pence for some reason. Another case of found records and that allowed a voluntary search. How come you didn't make up a name for Pence's garage?

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

Obama's documents were never ever physically in the possession of the archivist. You just demanded evidence from me.

Press Statements in Response to Media Queries About Presidential Records

In response to recent media reports that generated a large number of queries about presidential records, we issued the following statements to the media: January 17, 2024, statement December 4, 2023, statement September 2, 2023, statement August 11, 2023, statement June 9, 2023, statement April...

www.archives.gov

WW

 

[struth]

What percentage of 34,000,000 pages is a few boxes accidently packed by staff when an office was closed down that upon discovery were immediatley returned and then the homeowner allowed a volutary search of the property?

BTW - You left off VP Pence for some reason. Another case of found records and that allowed a voluntary search. How come you didn't make up a name for Pence's garage?

WW

upon discovery????hahaha he had them for years....

Trump volutary allowed the NA and DOJ to search is house....before the Xiden admin decided to raid it

Yep, Pence wasn't raided or prosecuted either, why? he wasn't running against Xiden.

 

[WorldWatcher]

why did the NA refuse to help trump move the documents from Mar Largo when he left office?

Whut?

He didn't refuse. Trump moved docuemnts TO Mar-a-Lago at the end of his adminstration. Not the other way around.

The Archivist actively sought the return of docuemnts when they realized some were missing.

You can review statement of facts and associated appendicies of correspondance in the link below. Which some of us have followed since the original indicment filing.

WW

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490070/united-states-v-trump/

 

[WorldWatcher]

Trump volutary allowed the NA and DOJ to search is house....

No he didn't. Court docuemnts show that Trump REFUSED to allow a voluntary search of MAL by the Archivist and FBI agents that persented themselves there.

That's why the FBI had to get a search warrant to force the search.

You haven't read the court documents have you?

WW

 

[struth]

Whut?

He didn't refuse. Trump moved docuemnts TO Mar-a-Lago at the end of his adminstration. Not the other way around.

The Archivist actively sought the return of docuemnts when they realized some were missing.

You can review statement of facts and associated appendicies of correspondance in the link below. Which some of us have followed since the original indicment filing.

WW

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490070/united-states-v-trump/

and Trump was actively working with them, in fact returned 15 boxes, and was in the process of reviewing others.

It was all a pretext by the Xiden Admin

 

[elektra]

Now we don't agree. You claims that Obama kept 24 truck loads of documents and shipped them to an abandoned warehouse are fiction not reality.

That's what I've been posting with links for official sources.

You have been making false statements with no links/cites to official sources.

You post links? Hahaha. You posted one in response to me, just now, not in your other replies. Links are made an issue by those who have no idea what they are talking about.

How about a link showing 24 semi trucks went from whotehouse to furniture warehouse.

do you want pics to? I bet I can link to my posts on usmb with pics of the warehouse that shows no security. No fences. Nothing.

False statements, you are of very low intelligence

New details on little-known Obama Presidential Library, tucked away in Hoffman Estates | Barack Obama Presidential Library

www.obamalibrary.gov

The gray brick exterior of 2500 Golf Rd. in the northwest suburb, once a Plunkett Furniture showroom and warehouse,

 

[elektra]

They went from his office to warehouses controlled by, the national ARCHIVE....they were always in the national archives custody.

You can't prove it

 

[Marener]

Obama's documents were never ever physically in the possession of the archivist. You just demanded evidence from me.

The person who demands must first do as they say. You demanded evidence, good, provide your evidence that the archivists had possession of those 24 semi trucks of documents.

You should easily come up with the evidence to support your claims.

Also show is the evidence that the archivists had in regards to Trump as well.

The Archivist says they were.

NARA Press Release Statement | Barack Obama Presidential Library

www.obamalibrary.gov

Here’s the archivist letter to Trump’s lawyer saying they were asking Trump to return missing records and discovered the classified documents prompting the referral to the DoJ.

https://www.archives.gov/files/foia/wall-letter-to-evan-corcoran-re-trump-boxes-05.10.2022.pdf

Now it’s your turn.

 

[Marener]

You post links? Hahaha. You posted one in response to me, just now, not in your other replies. Links are made an issue by those who have no idea what they are talking about.

How about a link showing 24 semi trucks went from whotehouse to furniture warehouse.

do you want pics to? I bet I can link to my posts on usmb with pics of the warehouse that shows no security. No fences. Nothing.

False statements, you are of very low intelligence

New details on little-known Obama Presidential Library, tucked away in Hoffman Estates | Barack Obama Presidential Library

www.obamalibrary.gov

The gray brick exterior of 2500 Golf Rd. in the northwest suburb, once a Plunkett Furniture showroom and warehouse,

The documents stored at that facility are not classified, so security is not a top priority.

 

[struth]

No he didn't. Court docuemnts show that Trump REFUSED to allow a voluntary search of MAL by the Archivist and FBI agents that persented themselves there.

That's why the FBI had to get a search warrant to force the search.

You haven't read the court documents have you?

WW

Court documents show that Trump allowed the FBI and NA to search in June, months prior to the raid. In fact, the FBI requested he put an extra padlock on the storage door, and he did.

The second search, ie the raid, was done for political purposes and done completely out of the norm for the FBI

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/2023-06-09-jdj-to-garland-re-mal.pdf

During his transcribed interview, Mr. D’Antuono detailed how he disagreed with the Justice Department’s approach to the raid and described several abnormalities about the Department’s actions in pursuing its investigation of President Trump: 1. The Miami Field Office did not conduct the search. Mr. D’Antuono testified that FBI headquarters made the decision to assign the execution of the search warrant to the Washington Field Office (WFO) despite the location of the search occurring in the territory of the FBI’s Miami Field Office. Mr. D’Antuono stated that he had “absolutely no idea” why this decision was made and questioned why the Miami Field Office was not taking the lead on this matter.4 Mr. D’Antuono stated that the FBI “learned a lot of stuff from [the] Crossfire Hurricane” investigation—notably “that the [FBI] Headquarters does not work the investigation, it is supposed to be the field offices working the investigations.”5 Mr. D’Antuono indicated that his “concern is that [the] DOJ was not following the same principles . . . .”6 In fact, as recently as May 2023, in response to the report of Special Counsel Durham, the FBI asserted that “investigations should be run out of the Field” and not from Washington, D.C.7 2. The Department did not assign a U.S. Attorney’s Office to the matter. According to Mr. D’Antuono, it was unusual to not have a U.S. Attorney assigned to an investigative matter, especially a matter of this magnitude. He explained that he “didn’t understand why there wasn’t a US Attorney assigned” and “raised this concern a lot with” Department officials because this was out of the ordinary.8 Mr. D’Antuono indicated that he “never got a good answer” and was told that the National Security Division would be handling this matter—with Jay Bratt, who leads the Department’s counterintelligence division, as “the lead prosecutor on the case.”9 Mr. Bratt is the same Department lawyer who allegedly improperly pressured a lawyer representing an employee of President Trump.10 Mr. D’Antuono again noted his concern regarding lessons learned from Crossfire Hurricane, that the Justice Department was not following the principle that “Headquarters does not work the investigation . . . .”11 3. The FBI did not first seek consent to effectuate the search. Mr. D’Antuono recounted a meeting between FBI and Department officials during which the Department assertively pushed for the FBI to promptly execute the search warrant.12 Based upon his over-20-year tenure at the FBI, Mr. D’Antuono testified that he believed that the FBI,

prior to resorting to a search warrant, should have sought consent to search the premises. He testified that this outcome would have been “the best thing for all parties” involved— “[f]or the FBI, for former President Trump, and for the country . . . .”13 Mr. D’Antuono indicated a belief that either you or Director Christopher Wray made the decision to seek a search warrant, despite opposition from the line agents working this case in the WFO.14 Following that meeting, Mr. D’Antuono described how Justice Department counterintelligence official George Toscas—who also reportedly worked on the “Crossfire Hurricane and Clinton email investigations”15—told him that FBI agents were ready to execute the warrant.16 Mr. D’Antuono pushed back on the Department for trying to unilaterally allocate FBI resources.17 4. The FBI refused to wait for President Trump’s attorney to be present before executing the search. Mr. D’Antuono testified that the FBI sought to exclude President Trump’s attorney from the search, a move with which Mr. D’Antuono disagreed.18 Mr. D’Antuono believed that the FBI should have worked with the attorney to get consent to search the residence prior to seeking a warrant for the search. Mr. D’Antuono believes that “there was a good likelihood that [they] could have gotten consent . . . .”19

 

[Thinker101]

Past Presidents are not entitled to take stuff out of the White House when they go. Trump stole that stuff and then he lied about it.

The filthy rapist and twice impeached felon being sworn in next week, stole this stuff.

Sure, that's reserved for Senators, Vice Presidents and Secretary of State....idiot.

 

[Marener]

Court documents show that Trump allowed the FBI and NA to search in June, months prior to the raid.

Please provide a link to these court documents.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Hey communist cult *****, IT'S OVER!!!!!!
Your SOVIET LAWFARE BULLSHIT MEANS NOTHING
You assholes are twisting into pretzels for WHAT?????
Geeeezuz get a ******* grip on REALITY ffs.

 

[Marener]

The second search, ie the raid, was done for political purposes and done completely out of the norm for the FBI

Please provide any other case where the FBI requests a voluntary search of someone’s house when suspected of illegally retaining classified documents.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Court documents show that Trump allowed the FBI and NA to search in June, months prior to the raid. In fact, the FBI requested he put an extra padlock on the storage door, and he did.

No they don't. Actually the Government agents dispatched to collect the Redweld of documents that were to be turned over requested to look through the boxes in the storage room.

That request was refused.

Hence the search warrant need to force the search.

If the agents had been allowed to search MAL voluntarily as you claim, there would have been no need to obtain the search warrant for a search that had already been done.

WW

 

[struth]

Please provide any other case where the FBI requests a voluntary search of someone’s house when suspected of illegally retaining classified documents.

Joey Xiden

 

[elektra]

The Archivist says they wete

Hahaha, nice try. An article or statement made 2 years after Trump is charged proves nothing.

Obama's records went from Whitehouse to furniture store. Even says so on obama's site.